wait a minute. timothy dalton played james bond. james bond is a character who has changed his face many times like a time lord. bond is a time lord. but not any old time lord. the lord president of gallifrey.
Nicely put! I've always seen it the same, where Gallifrey, The Time War, and the Time Lords were removed from the timelines, thus any remnants of their existence previously has given birth to the notion of them as "whispered legends" as we hear in END OF THE WORLD and elsewhere. But, the bubble of their time/space existence must still exist in some form somewhere, because Dalek Caan and Rassilon have both breached the Time Lock. Which of course sets it up for future play.
Alot of those events are still "fixed" points in time. The waters of mars go into this idea: The doctor interferes and "saves" someone without their consent and informs that she will not die because *he* says so. She still dies, and while the events are slightly altered time is elastic enough to counteract the "butterfly" effect when plot devices will it.
Rassilon never cared about whether or not the Time Lords survived. He was concerned about his surviving and the only way he could sell it was by saving Gallifrey. This is the man who made himself practically immortal by giving him an infinite supply of regenerations. He would do anything to continue living.
Gallifrey back introduced so many potential story lines that its mind boggling. The doctor now has villians who he actually has to work to defeat such as the Rani, the corrupt high council, Rassilon, the various super weapons that might have survived with Gallifrey like the Nightmare Child, and of course the Master.
I definitely think if they bring the Master back it has to be Simm, at least for a while. Each Master was fantastic, but John Simm protrayed a side of him that no other actor did.
@heavyarms01h - he was already off the deep-end, he spent almost all of his last life trying to find a way to extend his regeneration sequence PAST the thirteen limit HE himself imposed... his own people locked him in his own tower, when he tried to escape they sent him into another universe... and when they needed him most they brought him back to life and he led them to death...
In reply to myself, I had the thought that his Tardis was programmed at that moment to give himself the key to the Pandorica, which would explain why it opened as easily as a garage door instead of fighting sonic energy.
Well, the fact that when regenerating the Time Lord gains a new mentality, but retains memories, and he had been dead for a while and was only revived after the Second War in Heaven, most likely at the start of the Last Time War, then he had completely changed. He wanted to become a god, fully immortal.
Actually the Doctor explains that the Pandorica is meant to be the ultimate prison by preventing anything to pierce it or get out from inside - which is why time doesn't explode inside it - however it is simple to open from the outside, which is why a sonic is enough.
It was a modified de-mat gun which he used - the resulting impact was the destruction of every dalek and Timelord in an area which was time locked (Essentially the same as blowing up a bomb in a sealed box) The result was the destruction of both species along with the destruction of Gallifrey. What escaped the time lock survived.
I design these things in one night, try to balance the background audio already present and the music I want to share, post it and wait for everyone to hate it. Usually everything comes together entirely by accident and its at least decent. So you are correct, you can't hear him as well as you could, but I feel that the changes would have impacted the video in a negative way, so I left it the way it is. And yes... that was a lot of commas for one sentence.
The Time War is in a timelock, so essentially it is unable to be finished, it's started but not finished. The Pandorica was created so that it could contain the Doctor (or the ultimate warrior/power in the universe, something fearful) because he was going to bring around the destruction of the universe, or so they (the collaboration of those who were there) thought. It was also one method to stop the Doctor from answering the question; doctor who?
And it was basically, it was locked against all the things, the fact it opened was because that is when it was meant to have opened, so they could have placed him in there, again, going with the idea that it is meant for him, not for anyone else.
What you can do however, is think linearly of his regenerations. While the 12th or a further Doctor could have built the Pandorica, seeing as how the 8th Doctor used the moment to End the Time war, we can be certain that for the Doctor it has already happened. Now before the Time War, history was set, in that paradoxes could not happen, the 10th Doctor let us know this, and since any Doctor after that event would know the outcome, it is unlikely he would build it.
This is one reason why i loved the end of time we see 3 men at the end of their lives the doctor,the master and Rassilon all trying to find away to escape their fate
Rassilon wouldn't have put a demat gun into the hands of every time lord (if you go by the wise Rassilon from "5 Doctors" as he knew they would have been abused. Power corrupts and Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. Besides, you need the "Key", that the Doctor gave to the Castellan to hide so the demat gun couldn't be rebuilt again, just to power it. The episode was "The Invasion of Time" btw.
This Rassilon sure is alot more *animated* than the older fellow shown lying dead in the Tower Of Rassilon, watch the special edition of The 5 Doctors to see how these new Doctor Who remakes screws up the time continuity
Yes, and Rassilon invented it long before that. I forgot the name of the story arc, it was during Tom Bakers reign, but when the fourth doctor was temporarily president he was allowed the knowledge to create a temporary demat gun. Rassilon himself could have put one in the hands of every time lord. A lot of classic and modern Doctor Who plot points don't mix though.
The Moment is the point in time the Doctor activates the time-lock. The 10th Doctor still had it (acknowledged by the high council). The 9th Doctor told a dalek, "I watched it happen, I made it happen!" Both statements are true, because the 9th Doctor DID watch it happen, but a later Doctor is the one that made it happen. He, of course, took credit for both events although he won't tell anybody about it.
Time Lords can be reinstated/ brought back from the dead using the time matrix thingy on Gallifrey it was how The Master was brought back from the dead when the Time War basically started/or before... (then he ran away somehow to the end of the universe 'Utopia'). Rassilon was basically the smartest Time Lord ever so it would only make sense they would reinstate him to help them win the time war :D
If I were working out a plan to save my people in a scheme hoping they all wouldn't go crazy, I'd create a container to store the cancer eating at them (Rassilon), give it to my enemies for safe keeping knowing they would try and use it against me and that they would fail, use it to reboot the universe then store it in N-space and hope time works itself out before I had to use any of it. Its going very well so far.
And now we will never, ever see Timelords or Gallifrey ever again. The show fixed it so it's now absolutely impossible for that to happen. Same with the Master. He, Rassilon and all the Gallifreyans got sent back at the end of Tennant's tenure, where their death is guaranteed. Even 11 made a point that he killed ALL the Timelords. And The Doctor's never wrong
Okay, time to blow some mental fuses. The Time War isn't over, it hasn't even begun yet and I can prove it. We know that the pandorica was created to hold a Time Lord, but how do we know for a fact that it was NOT made to hold the Doctor? Also, how do we know for a fact that it was created with the Doctor's help? answer these two questions and you'll not only pee your pants, you'll be awarded the gold star of Adric
His death was a fixed point in time. Before the date of that point, he could have done anything he wanted, because he can't die. He could have brought popcorn to watch the brunt of a super nova explosion and been okay.
A Time Lock basically rips out the whole thing from the universe. Let's look at time and space, it's a big ball of timey-wimey stuff. Let's say a small bit is Gallifrey and the time during the time war. Now lets say the Timey-Wimey stuff is made of rubber bands. The Time lock is a big knife, cutting Gallifrey and the time war rubber off from the rest. But it cuts the whole of Gallifrey off, not just the Time War, because otherwise, people could escape.
He can't go back because he locked it in a time lock. If he were to go back it would break the time lock releasing all the horrors that were created during the war, as well as the Time Lords themselves.
The Doctor ran unchecked for a looong time before he died on the beach. They never said where he went during that time except to reach out thru time at Amy and Rory. Maybe he went home. Maybe he saved a few friends. Maybe we have that to look forward to
Regarding Time Locks: Its not really a lock at all, or a black hole or some other destructive force. Think of it as a "Time Scrambler" generated by a TARDIS as a failsafe. To travel, a TARDIS needs two things: point A which is where it is, and point B where it is going. A time lock creates a field which keeps a TARDIS from finding either of these points so it refuses to move
I would love them to do a episode dedicated to the Doctor's home planet Gallifrey. it could be entitled 'The doctor's memories' of it, such as: his memories as a child, how/if he met the Master when he was a child, what the planet was like before the war, scenes of the war then towards the end him getting in the Tardis and leaving to go travel the universe. I would love to see that.
Gonna need to see your source on that one. As far as we know the timelock was generated as an effect of the Doctor using the Moment prior to regenerating into 9. It's pretty evident from everything we've been told in the new series that the Doctor definitively fought and won the Timewar between the time he regenerated into 8 and 9.
This of course alludes to the reason I said the bit about not thinking in linear lines when dealing with a Timelord. One other thought... and one that is terrifying in it's implications. The Doctor up to this point has been obsessed with being ginger, or red headed. It is my belief that he was completely relieved to not be ginger yet. Yet. The ginger headed Doctor he saw using The Moment, the one that led the Timelords to their doom, he must be quite the Timelord indeed.
The classic series shows a bit of Gallifrey. They had grown stagnant, insular, arrogant, and corrupt. They were a technological powerhouse- or would be, if they didn't forget artifacts that could destroy the universe or forget how much of their technology worked. Novels go into much more detail, but are of questionable canonicity with regards to the TV series.
Well they did protect it from sonic energy projected from within because that's where the Doctor would be and they wouldn't dream he would give his sonic to someone else
There are also comics, flash animations, and audio dramas. Some are crazy "What if?" stories, at least one was intended to be a canonical continuation of the series(Scream of the Shalka, with a different Ninth Doctor. obviously banished from canon since), others were done as if they were part of the TV continuity. All of them, like the novels, are of questionable canonicity with regards to the TV series.
im not what their names where but it was two women who objcted to rising and the voice you hear is when she spoke out during the counsil gallifrey falls
TIMELOCKED!!! Again, there is basically no way in or out of something that is timelocked, except for a few cases. And, like in the actual episodes where Gallifrey returns for a small time, it brings the Time War with it. He knows he can't go in there and get someone out, and if he did, it'd be pretty inconsistent of the writers, just "Oh by the way, we brought this Time Lord somehow from the Time War, and we forgot to mention it the whole time, hahaha" and it'd be f*cking stupid too -_-
yes, only squiggly, curling overlapping and backtracking ones, in many different colors of crayons and sharpies and erasable pen. do they still make erasable pen?
@2Scribble Em... did you get Rassilon and Omega confused? It was Omega who was trapped within another universe (See: The Three Doctors.) Rassilon though discovered immortality and found it to be a curse (hence the faces on the stone table on which he slept, See: The Five Doctors.) Technically Rassilon was never dead, more in a sort of self-suspended animation of sorts, asleep per say.
Pretty sure 'Silence Will Fall' is a Mantra or Motto of anyone who follows the 'Silence' religion. It was fist brought up in series 5-7 (+50th anniversary and Christmas special) given that it was originally brought up in 'The Pandorica Opens' When it was brought up in 'Vampires of Venice' it was heavily implied that the resulting Silence and loss of people was 'The Silence' It has not honestly being that clear - and I doubt we will ever know the true answer.
I must also add that if Rassilon were really leading the Time Lords then the Dalek's would've had no chance at all. If nothing else then I can say why in two words "Demat Gun". A single demat gun would be enough to rule the universe basically... and a Gallifreyan army with them? Unstoppable. Absolutely unstoppable.
@thenson1Halo The Demat Gun is what the Doctor used to wipe out the Daleks and the Timelords. What you fail to understand is that the Daleks went form nuisance to multiversal threat. If the Timelords were gods, the Daleks became gods as well, and became more than powerful enough to threaten Rassilon. Time and reality-wiping weapons created a varitable hell while the "two almight civilizations" were at each other's throats. Rassilon is awesome. But not unstoppable. Not for Time-War Daleks.
The Time Lock likely affects 'The Last Great Time War' in its entirety. The Doctor can probably travel back - however a Time Lords life probably creates a lot of fixed points in time - and the Last Great Time War itself is probably a fixed point - as stated in 'Father's Day' where he mentions his race dying. I'm guessing if the Time War did not happen then the resulting fallout from this would mean a lot more Daleks - along with 'The Doctor' still being a renegade for abandoning Gallifrey.
Actually, she got married and had a kid surviving to see her grandfather in his 8th incarnation and then going on to see her family die and attacking the master...
If you knew when and where you were gonna die, and you had 200 years to run around, where would the first place that you would go be...? Of course you would go home. The question is: What did the Doctor do when he went home?
I have a theory that he wasn't dead and ressurected, but this Rassilon traveled to the past of Gallifrey after this episode, in an attempt to influence Time Lord society from the start to change the outcome of the war... and found no Rassilon. He became the historical Rassilon that he was named for. Producer commentary seems to rule this out, but nothing in an actual episode does.
There was no past the entire timewar and any events tangentially related to it are timelocked and separated from the universe and cannot be changed or effected by any events in the universe. Besides if the Doctor wanted to destroy the Daleks in the past, why hasn't he and he has in fact been in a position to do just that on several occasions namely the Genesis of the Daleks storyline.
"Silence Will Fall" was confirmed to NOT mean the Pandorica, but the Doctor's death. Not saying that other guy's right, just making a slight correction.
Wrong. If the Pandorica was made for the Doctor and his enemies knew anything about them, the first type of energy they would have shielded it against would have been sonic. It was shielded from anything opening it. Following that thought, that means the Doctor's TARDIS was programmed to give him not a only sonic screwdriver, but what?
-sigh- It's called a 'Christmas Special', and the second part was a 'New Year Special' They had the production codes 4.17 and 4.18 (the series four production codes) which make them episodes 17 and 18 of series 4 technically. The Doctor Who episode guide certainly lists them as episodes..
