Does AMD's Best Desktop APU Still Have a Place in 2023? 

Bro I understand your pain.

Perspective is Important, while I'm envying the guy upgrading to a 4090 from his 3080, some Gamers in the poorest countries are still running P4's and 8200GS GPU's. And I'm grateful I can buy a 1650 which cost the median monthly income in my country.

​@@BertieJasokie Meanwhile I don't even have a PC and parents can only afford a low budget pentium APU PC

@@silents4everTry upgrading it on the cheap and enjoy your foray into the PC world. We are an economically diverse group of people. Maximize and enjoy what you got.

@@BertieJasokieAs I mentioned, I don't have a PC at all, just a laptop with a Celeron n3350 and 4GB LPDDR3 ram.

Yeah but this time they should provide an option with more powerful graphics with 16 or 24 CUs of RDNA2/3 and more cache so that we can finally get rid of expensive "budget" options.

the full 11 compute units helps over the smaller apus . its about as good as a 1050 . very solid for built in solution compared to old intel as stated. the choice in ram is more important as well. generally as fast as possible for the chip with lowest CAS . will get the best access times with 4 sticks vs 2 . minor improvement to fps and much better 1% lows. i was testing on 3200 g albeit.

weren't all 7000 series have RDNA2 iGPU?

Right and the board company would not sell it with cheap price. X86 SBC already out. It seems to be a premium industrial product and no point in pricewise

I'm sure it'll just be a matter of time before some Chinese company starts selling desktop MoBo's with them soldered on. There are plenty of 11th Gen Laptop i7 CPU powered Intel boards out there now, with fairly recent Intel UHD graphics, and they sell well.

Noticed that too. Yee-haa bent pins 😂

Those pins are more durable than we think

Hey m8 , i had both, Amiga 500 with trapdoor ram expansion, and Atari 1040 STe and STfm. Those were simpler times when gameplay still ruled and you needed skill. Savegames were a rarity back then. Until i had a 60 meg hdd i remember the disk swapping. Todays "gamers " would not even have the patience 🤣😂. But the sound of a 720kb double sided 3,5 floppy was always music to my ears.

The problem is in alot of cases the game doesn't look any better. The last of us looks like BF4 whilst using 4 - 5 times the vram buffer.

@@Jasontvnd9 kind of true. With the last of us being an example of a bad port I totally agree with u. But if you look at Hogwarts legacy, the game is averagely ported and looks amazing imo. But with it’s console first approach it can quickly eat up a lot of memory. Cyberpunk also is quite intensive, but at least gives us unseen raytracing effects etc. so I guess most of the time you do get nice visuals, but pcs just have too much latency issues communicating between ram, gpu, cpu and ssd. The entire data shuffling on console is done extremely well and since they only got 1 or 2 hardware configurations everything can be fine tuned. Pc gaming is basically just brutforcing everything with 3x the performance for a 1.5x better result. Maybe I’m going of track a little, the thing I basically wanted to say, not EVERY new game is badly optimized (some are), BUT almost every new game will be more and more hardware intensive 😂

@philipreininger2549 I wouldn't even say hogwarts looks that great , Compare it to a game like Horizon : Zero Dawn and it looks worse. Cyberpunk is different , It looks better on a mid range pc using say a 3060ti than it does on console , Largely due to the consoles weak RT performance. The problem is optimization , They will rush out a console port on pc because they know most of the player base can brute force it , Not ideal but unfortunately probably going forward will become much more common.

It oddly does seem to benefit from ReBar and 4G, though obviously 300 and A Series boards are best avoided for that, even if ASRock did put it onto the A320M board that just wasn't that stable with it on.

Same here :)

For high end dGPU builds, yeah.

6800u miniPC have you got a link to what you suggest

Nice :) The 7700G would be so cool right now

Doubt the 7700g would be better than a 3060. 3050 perf would be a nice surprise though.

@@zaidlacksalastname4905 I don´t think so, too but I don´t need the power of an 3060. I guess it will perform like the 780M. It sould beat an GTX1650.

How is gaming?

@@brucieplays3720 buttery smooth

Great card :)

I have a 3060 Ti too, and have stopped watching most tech channels. RGinHD is different though, I enjoy the low spec content

Im looking to upgrade from R5 2600 (starting to show its age) to go with my RX 6600

It’s an incredible game

Unfortunately your CPU is a bit old and is going to be a bit of a bottleneck even on bare metal in any super modern games, and the 1650 only has 4 GB of VRAM. The game is very intensive on texture use and VRAM. My first recommendation would be to upgrade your CPU if you can. Most AM4 motherboards have kept getting BIOS updates and should be able to support Ryzen 5000 series if you update the BIOS, which would get you out of the bottleneck zone. Maybe get a Ryzen 5 5500 if you can get it for cheap. For the GPU, you'll really want something with 8 GB or more to play a game like that and prevent stutter. If you can get a used RX 580 or a GTX 1660 Ti (or Super) you will have a much better experience.

@@ItsJustEmK Cpu is fine even virtualized, the graphics are the problem in the end

So no need to disable igpu ? Igain more performance with both ?

How can you use both igpu and discrete in tandem? I have a 5700g and lately upgraded my mini itx with a 6600xt, i’m very interested in using the combo to it’s max potential

@@druidobianco9734 If you search AMD Dual graphics setup in you tube it will give you a few instructional videos, there are several things you need to do in order to get it to work from what i've seen, one is enabling resizable bar and above 4g decoding in the bios, and basically both the Radeon and your discrete GPU will show up in device manager if done correctly. In one of the examples i saw, the guy was using the APU graphics to stream and his GPU to game, and apparently you can also use an Nvidia GPU in tandem also, but not sure how that works as the examples i've seen just show AMD.

@@nouraelamri-kw7se Yes Noura apparently so.

PCIE bandwidth will start to affect as soon as run out of VRAM. But then you'll have bigger problems to worry about.

na the 3xxxg was ok but not great i hope they release the 7600g and 7700g whit the rx 660m and 680m apu

Yeah perfect use for one :)

b450s still support AMD 5000 series?

@@rnac5438 yeah man! You can even plop a 5800x3D in them! Thats my upgrade path once people start throwing those away in a generation or two. Just make sure that on the board manufacturers website there is a BIOS that supports the chip you want to put in. Most boards do have support for basically all chips, but lesser known board brands or cheaper boards might not. I even have a buddy with a 5950X he fixed some pins on off of ebay that he has in an A320 board!

​@@rnac5438 even some A320 can run em need, need bios and some gamble thou

Phoenix is rumoured to be in the ballpark of an RX 470/GTX 1650. These are the new laptop Zen 4 APUs with RDNA 3 AMD absolutely could make a desktop APU that has serious grunt behind it (the SoCs in the PS5 and XSX are AMD Ryzen APUs albeit with much faster GDDR6 as VRAM/system memory) but will never do it because it would cannibalise sales of their higher margin GPUs.

@@riven4121 Maybe they could make APUs that replace lower end GPUs such as the RX 6500 XT which did not sell well.

Hd 680 integrated graphics are close.

@@oldfartgaming148 close to what, 1050ti?

Yeah good point

RTX 3070 should now be considered a mid tier card if that due to it's 8GB VRAM limit.

I don't think it will work that way

Have fun :)