KD has a complicated legacy. Lebron won a title without D Wade; D Wade won a title without Lebron; Steph won a title before and after KD; Kobe won titles without Shaq; Kawhi won a title without the Spurs Big 3; heck even Olajuwon won a title without Drexler. Dirk, Giannis, and Jokic all have titles that will be forever tied to them and no other superstar. So where does that leave KD’s legacy since it will always be tied to the Warriors dynasty?
I don't think its complicated at all. He is a great individual talent but he has 0 leadership skills and is not enough to be the best player on a championship team without fully stacking the deck in his favor. He's got all the talent to be a top 5 player of all time, but doesn't have the intangibles. Just like Charles Barkley said a few years ago, "he's a bus rider not a bus driver".
Steph's 2022 title wouldn't exist if KD had opted not to do the sign & trade, when he left GS & went to Brooklyn. Recall, GSW flipped KD into D'Lo, then D'Lo into Andrew Wiggins & draft picks (one of which turned into Jordan Poole). Maybe KD should have left them with nothing. After all, both Draymond & Bob Myers took public shots at KD after they called him first & helped turn them into a dynasty, but only SC30 gets credit for it.
Obvious answer Yes. Deep down I’m sure KD wanted to win without Curry. KD will always remember Draymond Green telling him we don’t need you and won without him twice
@@BillyBob-ti2fz it's funny that it was Green who said that considering it was him who was so shook of Lebron's Cavs that he rang up KD and begged him to join them in the first place.
@@BillyBob-ti2fz green was in his feelings! hes displayed that multiple times he a headcase! draymond was one of the players asking him to help with lebron you do realize that!
@@noleyestoad4477 the warriors won 2 rings without Durant they didn’t need him, but keep defending an overrated loser with a bold spot on the back of his that’s size of Texas who makes fun of little kids on twitter and can’t win anything without a 73 win super team
@@melanatedgod5337lucky for dirk that lebron choked in the finals 😂 kd didnt have that same luck in 2012 when he averaged 30 ppg in the finals. but up dirk’s stats vs kd’s 😂😂😂😂
as crazy as this may sound because of what he accomplish at Golden State, I think a worst move in regard to his legacy was going to the Warriors. He should have stayed in OKC. That team was very close to winning a chip or 2.
*Joining. should’ve never left OKC russ ending up going crazy with the triple doubles Kd needed to take a step back but wanted to be the guy. He missed Westbrook Best years lmao
@@xavierb9061 Give me what you're smoking. Lol 2022 - Curry won a chip with Andrew Wiggins & Jordan Poole! Think about it. Klay was averaging 14 ppg. Better teammates. Give Curry Beal and Booker currently and see him win another chip. Y'all don't understand the impact of Curry in a basketball game
@@Nostalgia9478 So that's like saying Steph has never a won a Ring without a given Coach or all the other players on a given team he has played with. The moment KD got hurt, he was likely never going to get another Ring. However if that never happened, I assure you he would won at least 1 more. If not 2, without choker Steph in more than just 1 NBA finals.
Kevin Durant joined a 73-9 team which had made back-back trips to the finals, having won it all the previous yr, and had beaten him in the conference finals when he was up 3-1 in the series, and was led by the back-back reigning MVP, who happens to be the best three point shooter of all time, and was paired with another all time shooting aficionado in the back court. Yep. That was the team KD joined.
Mad respect to you over there! I’m a Seattle SuperSonics fan (also been a Golden State Warriors fan since about 2004-05 & yes you can be a fan of multiple teams at the same there is nothing wrong with that). I remember the day Portland drafted Greg Oden over KD, when Seattle chose him at #2 overall and won ROTY I knew he was going a special player back in 2007. The Warriors will ALWAYS be Steph’s team, BUT during those 3 years Kevin Durant was the player on the court for them. Lastly, Jason Richardson is a legendary dunker check out his contest highlights it’s super cool and I kinda wish the Dubs would go back to their old logo with the superhero holding the lightning bolt those colors were really neat!
7:42 This is the whole point. You can't demand a trade to an organization, not deliver, and blame the lack of pieces around you for the failure. Organizations are making the trade in hopes that you make them better and deliver results. It's entirely on you.
Joining the Warriors brought him 2 championships and two finals mvps. Why would he regret that? He should regret leaving the warriors. Even with the injury, if he had stayed, he would've won at least 2 ou 3 more chips and 2 finals mvps. It was the worst decision ever.
@@BillyBob-ti2fz yea but what he is saying is nobody would have ever figured it out if he had stayed. People would still somehow think he was the best player and give him all the credit.
Because humans are social beings and no one really gives him credit for joining the Warriors. Who wouldn’t want others to praise their accomplishments? No matter the success he’s had the reason you’ve heard that said since it happened is because of what other humans value.
@@BillyBob-ti2fzthe rings are only tainted now because he left and has been terrible with the big 3 teams he left to. If he stayed and kept winning nobody cares about none of this lol
@@BillyBob-ti2fz And LeBron joined a team with 2 other superstars. Also needed a big 3 to win a chip. Why do people keep talking about the 73 wins if they lost the finals that year? It was a team that needed him to win consistently. They could win without him, just not nearly as much. So if that's tainted, let's all agree LeBron's legacy is also tainted.
Ham led the Lakers to the conf finals in his first year.. Then the Lakers did another 1/2 team roster swap and never recovered. I think by the end of this season LeBron was trying to run things again and Ham lost his mind. Vogel is really the victim of a dummy owner who thinks 3 max contracts = winning
@@I.am_GrootBron/Kyrie carried Dopey David Blatt to the 2015 Finals in his rookie year as a Nba head coach. He got fired 6 months later and hasnt gotten an Nba gig since Keep pretending that getting carried to the WCF by 2 superstars made Dopey Darvin a competent coach Try again, LeSkippy Bayless Jr lol
The difference is Ham had more of a chance and doesn't have a chip on his resume. It's more of an LA decision than a LeBron one. LA has been going through coaches every other year for over a decade. The fact that KD has gone through more coaches than years he has been away from GS is horrible.
@@I.am_Groot Darvin also led the Lakers to a 2-10 start. He also had the Lakers in the bottom of the conference the majority of the year because he doesn't understand line ups and rotations. He also doesn't like to call timeouts or use challenges. Nobody in their right mind would blame LeBron for taking over, because he gets results. Unlike Darvin Scam, who Lakers fans didn't even want in the first place.
The biggest problem KD has created for himself is demanding to be traded. When a team has to give up that many assets, they become thin going forward. He's now just a performer to sell tickets and merchandise, because the team can't build a proper threat around him to challenge most of the playoff teams. If he didn't know it then, I bet he's figuring it out now. He could have won a title with the Nets, but he had very emotionally challenged stars with him. He needs to remain patient and just hoop as he says. In time he'll be a free agent and then he must not do a sign and trade, because that is just as detrimental to his new teams ability to form a championship contender. It's either the most money, or a lot of money and a chance to win it all.
I think he'd regret leaving. If the Warriors came back after the injuries to him and Klay and won a Championship again when they were older like Steph did, the stories would have been changed because the comeback would have been seen a lot more difficult and against a younger NBA. Steph accomplishing it without him and KD not winning it in Brooklyn is what brought the conversation back. But if that Warriors team had stuck together, had those injuries and made their comeback to eventually win a title again, the storyline talking points would be a lot different.
Nah he won’t regret it. He really wanna win without the warriors after hearing so much cos he know he can never live it down if he can’t win with his own team
KD got tired of fans and more importantly NBA legends saying his ring with GSW didn't count. Imagine people you look up to publicly clowning you? He said he always dreamed of playing at the Gatden as a Knick, Dolan was ready to do a rebuild around him. Kyrie said rhe same thing. But Dolan didn't want to deal with Kyrie so KD walked away and went to BK. That's when I knew he could never be a leader or a franchise player.
@@brooklyndecember If KD had stayed and they'd won 4-5 rings it wouldn't matter what the "Legends" say. They say Bill Russell doesn't get the respect he deserves because of all his rings because he had 8 hall of famers on his team but then turn around and do the same to KD. But if you keep winning, stories change over time, especially when out of your prime. Eventually they'd have been celebrated. All KD did by leaving was give them more ammo. And NOW they are saying he shouldn't have left Golden State... funny how that works isn't it?
@@jameskent836 Cavs didn't beat a 73-9 team. -Draymond suspended Game 5. -Andrew Bogut injured and out Games 5, 6, 7. He was their starting center. -Andre Iguodala hobbled Games 5, 6, 7. He was Finals MVP the year prior. 2016 was The Stimulus Package championship.
Most ring chasers end up tarnishing their legacy with fans but couldn’t care less. A ring won by any means possible gives more endorsement value after they hang it up and a ring is a ring to just about any player.
@@OGGOAT23Bro, I love Miami and Wade, but stop pretending they won 73 wins😂😂😂😂😂. You all need to stop bringing up Bron cause in noooooo way is what he did in Miami, Cleveland, or LA comparable.
KD comes across as somebody who regrets everything. I wish he never found Twitter. Even if he’d made the same decisions and had the same career, it would’ve looked way different if he never had the time, and the burner.
basketball is a competitive sport, what is puzzling to me is how a guy who ran to join a 73-9 team which beat him has any fans left, it's just pathetic
The Suns' owner didn't want to hire Vogel in the first place. Vogel wasn't his first choice. Vogel knew this and after the Suns' brought in Beal the expectation was to at least get to the finals. Once they got swept in the first round, Vogel knew he would get let go.
Kevin Durant is Charles Barkley if he never goes to golden state. It’s undeniable now. No chips without Steph . Bron has won ( and lost ) every where he went , with players like kyrie Irving , Dwayne wade , AD , and also bags of potato ships . KD has never taken a bag of potato chips to the finals.
Draymond already clothesline durant with the, we already won a ring without you and we will win another ring without you... Can you imagine how kobe career would be looked at, if he didnt win a ring without shaq, especially since shaq ended up winning another ring with wade....
@@Nostalgia9478straight slaughter from fans, they would say wade was the better player cause he already had a finals mvp. Tbh wade was still the better player that first year in Miami, but injuries made him defer to bron.
Biggest game of the season for Denver tonight. I believe if they win tonight, they can still win the series regardless if they lose Game 4. Anything is possible.
looks bad losing both home court but yeah anything is possible but they'd need to win both on the road. Unless Jamal is healthy, odds aren't good for them. Odds have never been good for this team without a healthy Jamal. Guess Jamal won't be playing in the Olympics either.
I think yall care about KD legacy more than he do. Bruh rich, got two finals mvp like it or not, and plays basketball for a living. People on tv and that work at warehouses care more than he do
He cost LeBron 1-2 rings and we could have witnessed even more greatness, but unfortunately KD had to join the warriors and create the equivalent of Jordan on the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq. He hasn't won anything or got anywhere close since, so all he did was water down something that could have been historic forever just to get 2 rings nobody is going to even remember for him because it was a cake walk.
Why we would regret winning ? Why he would regret playing in a good franchise for the only time in his career? Why he would regret being a champion? Seriously i think he does not regret any of these.
The funny thing about all these ring chasers - Lebron, KD, Harden, Westbrook, Irving, and Love is that they will all be out of the playoffs and the finals could be Cleveland vs. OKC. That would be the most poetic justice ever.
No I find it highly unlikely that KD wouldn’t go to Golden State if he had to do it over. I think the only things he really probably regrets or doesn’t look back fondly on are the initial criticisms of the decision and how things went and ended that final season. He got 2 seasons of being on one of not only being on potentially the best team ever assembled, but two rings, two finals MVPs and what’s more, the exact thing he had been looking for and wanting on a roster on the floor and seemingly what he has been looking for since. The unselfishness, the ball movement, the not having to just put everything on his shoulders. Enough so that he had the backing and energy on the floor to show he could be an elite defender.
Alot of stars nowadays are not well educated on the trading mechanisms nor are their agents spending the time to explain it to them. What's the issue you might ask? Trading requires the matching of salaries. These stars simply think that they can name a team that they want to be traded to, and the team will insist on a low-ball offer to get their hands on the star player. It doesn't work that way. Most times, the star play is on max salary which is close to 25% of the salary cap. The team have to match that salary before they can initiate the trade! They have no choice but to gut their bench to get you! If the team was known for its bench depth, you coming in have to make up for the production, not just bringing your production but increasing it.
I truly wish he had avoided going to GS, at least adopted a "I'm going somewhere to beat you" mentality, went to San Antonio, and convinced Kawhi to stay. I'm not saying they would have won a championship, but that would have been fun to watch.
Enough about these old players. I know they make great storylines, but people like this have nothing to do with what’s going on at the top levels of professional basketball.
Durant's lack of humility and gratitude ruined the rare chance to be considered a 🐐. He had the talent, but let ego ruin what should have been an easy decision to stay with the Warriors and win a few more before everyone (including him) aged out together.
The owner is aware that the coach is not at fault. He has to show the fans an immediate change to keep them engaged and firing the coach is the easiest for that .
A lot of the stars don't care about winning as much as we may want to think. A majority of the stars want their cake and to eat it too with coming over to a new team to "win a championship" while taking up 70% of the cap space for their team and wonder why come playoff time they're the only ones putting the ball in the basket.
if kd stayed in okc, he woulda had at least one solidly earned ring. if he stayed in the bay, he might've won a few more and entered the top 10 debate. if he stayed in brooklyn, after chasing a super team in golden state now in brooklyn, he could've maintained some of his dignity by trying to do something there. but nope. he chased a THIRD super team with the suns and failed miserably. He has forsaken every good thing he ever had, and deserves his purgatory in phoenix.
KD, needs to watch that movie, "It's A Wonderful Life". He truly did have everything he needed and wanted with the Warriors. Steph stepped back as a scorer and Kerr's offense opened up easy baskets for KD. Every player in Golden State had a role and only Klay and KD were looking to score every time they touched the ball. In Phoenix all 5 players were trying to score 60 every night. Durant only had to ball on the Warriors and Steph would be the leader. Phoenix was a bunch of ballers with no path. Phoenix was so disfunctional no one wanted to play there, and the Warriors were able to remain deep with veterans like Cousins, West, and Livingston. People like Charles Barkley got in Durant's head by saying he rides the bus. However, no one has won a championship on their own. Jordan had a Big 3, Magic had a Big 5, Russel had a Big 10, Bird had a Big 3, Isaiah had the Bad Boys. He should've just stayed with the Warriors and embraced being a Warrior like Kareem embraced being a Laker.
No one cared about legacies in 70s or 80s and yet those guys have the greatest legacies. Most people even in late 90s did not have MJ as their GOAT. This legacy and GOAT conversation is invented by the media to sell 'views' and it only revolves around current players and players from recent memory. No ones taliking about Kareem or Oscar but back in 90s most people had them as their GOATS even when Michael was on the verge of winning his 6th and after that MJ just faded away even though he was still playong
You can’t join the all time winningest regular season team the next season. You just can’t do that. Had he stayed and won 1 ring with OKC w/Russ, we aren’t having this convo or questioning his greatness. But OKC was not helping them. Only recently were they able to re-tool and get lucky with these great young team players.
The Miami Heat, although out of the playoffs now. Have proved that it's better to not overpay for a superstar player. And field a competitive team backed by a good culture and good coaching. Even if you don't have enough to win it all.
Two titles are something people dream of there’s no way you regrets going to the Warriors, and a comparison to Kevin joining the them back then would be like Lebron joing Denver next year.
Michael Jordan's greatness made us believe that basketball was an individual sport, but it is a team sport. Take the greatest player and put them on a bad team, and that team will not make it far, with the only exception being LeBron on a Cavaliers team. But even then, they were not really a bad team.
Playing and winning a title with the Warriors both helped and hurt KD. He’ll undoubtedly go down as one of the greatest players but he didn’t have a choice but to leave. He had to prove himself again. The coaching changes…that’s a whole different story. He’s going to get fingers pointed at him but that’s the responsibility that comes with being a Hall of Fame type player
How many times are yall gonna do the same slanderous hit piece? Oh I know….untill it sticks right. KD isn’t the only NBA player that lost in the playoffs this year and your golden boys that yall say he he shouldn’t have left, have missed the playoffs two of the last three years but Curry gets no heat for completely missing the playoffs right? That doesn’t affect his legacy
Durant does not get enough credit for the 2016 Warriors. They went 16-1 in the playoffs!!!!! They destroyed a healthy team with LeBron, Kyrie and Love. The next year they went 16-5, where they won two games against Lebron by 30 and 40 points respectfully. No one would regret being on team that is perhaps the GOAT.
If you look at the Nets' coaches, Atkinson, Vaughn, and Nash were all awful. That's not on KD. The Suns' owner didn't want Vogel. He wasn't the first choice. After the Suns' got swept, Vogel got the boot.
The Wolves are looking like they are about to sweep the defending Champs, Sun's getting swept isn't looking so bad anymore. Give the Wolves and Ant they credit.💯
Nope. If anything, he regrets not going into the Warriors' office and demanding that they trade Draymond. KD probably has 4 rings and 3-4 final MVPs right now if he stayed in GState.
He won 2 titles with GSW, why would he regret winning? He might regret leaving not joining. If he had 0 rings would anyone be talking about him? KD wouldn't even be in top 100 of All-Time. Beal was a great scorer on a bad team, like Chuck once said someone has to score the ball on bad teams it doesn't mean you're good.
Who cares about the Lakers, Clippers, Suns, and Warriors for the next 5 years. They’re done. Can we talk ANTHONY EDWARDS already? He’s Michael Jordan’s Bronny but he’s actually really, really good.
How is it that LeBron and KD are now being judged on coaching changes?!?!?!?!? This has gotten ridiculous. Most of these sports announcers have never played the game of even been on a team in the NBA in any aspect. Coach8ng changes are the decisions of the owner, GM, and Scout team. People need to stop blaming players when they don't work as a team. Not everyone gets along.
That's crazy how they doing KD when the league did him wrong for wanting the cavs and warriors have a rematch and took the ship away from him they will never admit. One thing that should blow everybody mind is the fact DG was suppose to get suspended for kicking addams in the nut but the nba waived it off but suspended him for doing absolutely nothing to lebron james
So much KD hate in the comments. I dont get it. Honestly I think he should regret leaving the warriors more than regret joining them. Its easy to say he could have won somewhere else.
Ring is ring nobody handed Duran the ring, he has to compete for it and he won. How some other players obtained their ring or rings is meaningless to Kevin success, he was employed by the golden state team and he delivered.
