Does LeBron's 40,000 Points Move the Needle in the GOAT Debate? | THE ODD COUPLE 

It wouldn't move at 50,000 for u either

Yeah who cares about total points? Was Kareem the goat until lebron passed him? No. Was Karl Malone the 3rd best player ever? Of course not.

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@@valjohnson7112it’s more than just points his body of work and yes Kareem was goat

Exactly ​@@MRkriegs

It is over, But like all kids they think if they just keep talking more intelligent people will listen to their nonsense.

Exactly

That Dallas loss really kills lebron. If he had five he would have a stronger case

Facts

ka BOOM!!!

@@MrJonnyl123 it would be 4 but yeah... even still he's just not the player kobe or magic or larry was in my opinion although there is at least an argument in those cases with jordan it's silly

well ppl will tell u Jordan ain’t have no impact on the world

​@@firstchain_prominenceYou might be wearing one.

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@@firstchain_prominence you cant be serious

@firstchain_prominence Jordan has been retired for 21 years and still has the top selling shoe or 1 of the top selling shoes. And his brand has expanded into golf and the NFL. If that's not worldwide, I don't know what is.

Jason Terry and Dirk 😂

Same teach beat Kobe who was the defending champion

And JJ barea!!

Listen he already won 2 back to back with Miami. Got scared to try to do a 3 peat and left and just because you scored 40000 points ain't moving the needle. The fact is your job was to score and accomplish as much as the real 23 did and the little amount of time he did or less and you couldn't. He thinks if keeps passing records that he going to force us and other basketball fans that he's the real goat. Nope. That's why we have an eye test. Eyes don't lie.

@@ZulunationFamily kobe wasn’t on a superteam tho and had nothing to prove and just went to 3 straight finals it’s not who all the mavs beat in the 2011 playoffs do bringing up other teams and players is irrelevant it’s about an old 2011 mavs team beating and dominating the best player in the league on his superteam he orchestrated stop deflecting 😂😂😂😂

How ?? Ain’t no way

@@user-pt8df9su8yLebronze is the Buffalo Bills of basketball.

@@user-pt8df9su8y Brett Favre used to be the all time leader in tds and passing yards by a mile at one point. But did people think he was better than joe Montana? No

@@MrJonnyl123 Brett farce also. Stole from poor people in Mississippi we using him

6 finals mvps, 10 scoring titles, defensive player of the Year award, NCAA championship, Olympic medals, Jordan is the greatest

He can only dream being like Wilt because they use to change rules to stop Wilt while for Lebron rules were changed or ignored so he could keep going

He’s has the 2nd most finals mvp ever and the historic finals against golden state. He’s done way more winning than wilt.

4 ring isn’t enough?! then 6 shouldn’t be nothing compared to 11 goofy

He’s nothing like wilt. When did bron score 80-90 points in a game and rebound the ball at an alarming rate. Wilt do,instead statistically in the paint. Bron has not dominated. He’s just played all these years enough games to pass Jabar.

To compare this statpadding bum to Wilt is beyond ludicrous. Laughable.

You would think lebron fans would know this about stats. Didn’t they see Westbrook play? And that man averaged a triple double.

@@valjohnson7112 They have NO other argument about how much better Jordan is than everybody let alone especially LeBron.

Exactly. He womt be in the goat conversation not for rings but for his longevity and stat line. Plus it helps lebrons case that he is more outspoken on social issues than jordan was. But based off pure winning? He cant win it that way

Simply playing in the NBA is stat padding? 😂😂😂 🤡🤡🤡

​@@MRkriegsif the goal is winning he should sacrifice his stats and play defense, but you know what Lebron wan'ts the ball all the time to do stats and slacks to almost no defense, that takes a toll on the team. It is easy for people that have brain to know that.

Yeah he guards the weakest player and just rests on defense. Watch him away from the ball in offense too. He never cuts or posts up. He saves all his energy for when he has the ball so he can put up stats.

@@zinjgreen3398 He can't win though. Team just isn't good enough. He could play a bit more defense, but his offense is very very crucial to the lakers, and he does attempt some defense, but his quickness isn't there as much either. I mean they're horrible when he's taking it easy offensively, so even if played defense more that certainly wouldn't work. He wants a championship more than anything. Keep in mind, he's though about all this stuff more than anyone commenting here, his coach and team as well. This is something you should be realizing. Unfortunately for him they don't have it in them as a team, looks very unlikely regardless of what changes are made. I mean you're being unrealistic. I mean stats can help, but even someone like you has to understand that a championship comes first with him. That's how he improves his legacy. He literally has no reason for stats to be more important, which is why your comment lacked intelligence. I mean you're partially right, but you're also being unrealistic and not looking at the situation accurately which is why I educated you. Hope you learned something, legitimately actually for the future.

Bro let it go.

@@jaydot4956 One guy in the 20+ years of LeBrons career that didn't even play with him said he does PEDs so thats 100% evidence. Not the other teammates or guys that might be salty after he left their team. "The media is protecting him" RU-vid logic.

@@jaydot4956no we not we all know he’s juicing 💉

@@jaydot4956 Bro bury the truth.

@@brooklynblack9015 keep crying about it, Lebron was already investigated by the DEA and he was found innocent. You can say he’s on peds all you want if it makes you happy.

Jordan playing in the expansion league era should’ve never been the bar of success

Lebron would have 70k points if he played in the plumber infested 90s

That's because that's the metric u wanna use to keep lebron from bein the goat...alot of yall Jordan fans are phony and disingenuous because yall never factor in that Jordan got suspended for gambling on NBA games 🏀 but u turn a blind eye to that smh 👎👎👎

@@dadillonfulbron had more help in this era with more talented players and still couldn’t 3 peat

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Well the allegations were obviously always coming. The way the world is today you can't get around that. If MJ played today he would get the same allegations because of his insane ability,.

Lebron had scrubs as teammates , mj had a stacked team in an era full of plumbers who almost made the finals without him

@bobbyjordan21 Miami was way overrated. They had a big 3 with Wade having bad knees and Bosh looking real soft and no bench.

@@dadillonfulhow is getting knocked out in the Eastern conference second round nearly making the finals? 😂

@@1stnamebr406d wade and lebron were two of the 3 best players in the world the first couple years in Miami in 2012 and 2011.

​@@dadillonfullololol, MJ's first 3 peat he had average players at best. It wasn't until his 2nd 3 peat that his team was stacked

Pippen also

​@@dparks2856that's why Pippen is the greatest #2 in the history of basketball.

left for 2yrs would he have beaten the rockets?

He also got swept a lot in the playoffs

Some history lesson here, Jordan’s playoff record was atrocious in the late 80s when Isiah Thomas and Larry bird were in their prime: Jordan met Bird twice in the first round and got swept 3-0 3-0 back to back Jordan met Isaiah 4 times in the playoffs and lost 3 series out of 4. After Jordan repeatedly complained to David Stern, the flagrant foul rule was introduced in the 1990-1991 season, the same year Jordan finally won his first ring. The league couldn’t stop him driving to the basket at that point.

Simple math!

So why did he get a trophy for getting to 30,000 pts 😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️ every argument y'all make get shot down. Jordan was a SCORER of course he wanted the record he just wasn't durable enough

​@@chuckEdopemoves and lbj for all his durability is 4 n 6. No matter how long he plays or points he scores WINNING will always matter. This was never a argument don't fool yourself

@@chuckEdopemoves😂 durable? The dude retired twice after a three peat each time. He didn’t hobble off the court.

@@thegoatofyoutube1787 wasn't durable enough to get Kareem record is what I'm saying. If he had to retire after each three peat imagine the durability of LeBron who been to 8 straight finals . So basically u made my point

I think Hakeem, Larry bird, MJ, Duncan, Kareem and kobe are better than him. And If we talking abiut impact on winning I got to incluye Magic.

I can’t put Mj number 1 because he was 1-9 in the playoffs without pippen

@@dadillonfulman please shut up…dumbest argument ever

​@@dadillonful That's a stupid uninformed comment. Jordan was going up against some of the greatest teams of all time before he had a decent team around him. Plus even when pippen came he didn't do much of anything to help the bulls win in the playoffs his first couple of years

​@@johnsepulvedacruz6428throw in Barkley, Ewing, David Robinson, Wilt, Russell, Oscar, .........! They all had many ways to beat you. They just had to go up against MJ.

hell yeah

AAU culture. Filling up the stat sheet is more important than W-L. "Basketball is a team sport" they say.

Honestly i think they care more about the money. Gilbert arenas made it clear he would take the carmelo anthony route and get the big payday from a team with no chance at winning

@@kant5696 100%. Todays players are about the benjamins and care less about winning than any other era.

​@greggibson33 Yea true but Jordan got the Benjamin's and the titles. Best of both worlds

@@je5406 what a cliché. google this ---> 10 NBA Players With The Most Trophies And Awards Of All Time lebron could play for another 21 yrs, scores 50k points, he is not going to surpass, let alone touch, MJ's solid NBA accolades/accomplishments. MJ even retired twice in his prime..... let that sink in kid...

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U thought this comment hold weight? It’s a show dude. 🤣 they’re asking sarcastically. The both know Lebron isn’t the goat.

To work you guys up .

So dumb... even if he tied MJ with rings they still wouldn't pick Bron. Chris is the president of the Jordan Ball Washers Club.

@@greggibson33That’s lies. I think if he tied him in rings ppl would seriously consider it. The thing is sir… HE HASN’T! You’re talking about a hypothetical that’s NEVER gonna happen. The point is he hasn’t sir. MJ is the GOAT. Lebron has played longer than MJ & has still accomplished less than MJ🤣. It’s not a conversation. Get out ya feelings.

Where does Kareem rank in the GOAT debate?

So don’t watch like Jesus 😂

Ur so smart! Did u come up with that all by yourself?

Both are great and I'm glad I was able to watch both

​@@kwilliams19582nd behind jordan

Gag order. No major outlets allowed to discuss that one.

Them boys still hurt 🤷🏾‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 he made them boys retire

KG is Jealous

Wat u said makes no sense

when leBron won his 4th one nobody cared or thought it moved him closer to jordan at all. There’s nothing LeBron can do to pass jordan to jordan fans.

@@cheerioss-9121There’s nothing Lebron can do to pass Jordan to basketball fans, he’s only #2 for people who have only seen his generation play.

Nah. Once he was no longer in his prime imo that doesnt matter anymore. I'd say his last prime year was the championship year before injuries and age turned him into a still great player but no longer prime lebron. Just like I don't and no one should hold the fact mj didn't win rings on the wizards against him or shaq didn't win on the cavs or whoever you wanna pick. Anyone expecting lebron to win championships still and thinks anything less is a failure just is hating he of course wants to win but he's not at a point anymore where if he's not winning championships he's coming up short. Him just being a spectacular individual player is more then you could ask for from anyone his age and his amount of time in the league. The fact that some people still think that they have the ability to win and make a playoff run is just icing on the cake at his age.

So bill Russell is the goat then

stop talking, you sound like a kid saying that 😂😂😂

His individual resume is better Championships are team accomplishments

@@firstchain_prominence I don't sound like a kid. Watch your lip before I start sounding like your future stepdad.

@@James-bt8rj Wrong. Jordan has the edge over LeBron in the following individual accolades: FMVPs MVPs PER Scoring Titles DPoY Steals titles All Defensive first team selections career PPG Playoff PPG There's more I'm just tired of typing

@@MindoftheNorthStarJordan defense is so overrated there’s not that many guards from his era for him to guard Scottie guarded the best offensive player

I 💯 agree with you and this is what bron fans don't seem to understand

Wat age was MJ better than Lebron?

Since he played in the nba

@freshprintz7002 what does age have to do with anything?? Stop being stupid this aint about age...

​@@fresh_printzmid range to freethrow alone.

5 years down the line we will 'discover' that he was juiced up😅

😂😂😂damn right or unless he a cyborg

You're looking at that backwards. Jordan accomplished more in far *fewer* years. That's way more impressive. What a given player's output is per game and per year, is always more valuable than watering the discussion down based on garbage time, over an extended period of time.

People showing how dumb they are

Every point he score since he broke Kareem record is THE record

@@chuckEdopemoves Not quite. Most Field Goals: 1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 15837 2. LeBron James, 14677

@@mvpfocus obviously that's a different record. I'm talking about the all time scoring record

@@chuckEdopemoves The most buckets is a better record.

Agreed, Bron has won more games, more conference finals and played way more difficult comp.

@@daydreamyn5943 "Conference Finals?" Meaningless stat, but nice try. And the "more difficult comp" argument is false. James feasted on cupcakes in the weakest Eastern Conference ever. Jordan faced playoff teams with a higher average win percentage in his championship runs, than James did in his championship runs. You should probably do the math first, before you make stuff up.

@@mvpfocus yall change up whats a meaningful stat and what isn’t based on ehat suits jordan best at the particular moment. Chris and rob just got done trying to credit jordan with college chip wnd Fiba wins. Wtf…

@@mvpfocus also again Bron played over 30+ HOF during the finals while Jordan only faced 10. Not to mention many of the teams bron played had 2,3 or even FOUR hof at one time. Jordan never faced more than 2 at a time.

@@daydreamyn5943 International play does factor in. And James has 2 bronze medals. Jordan always won the gold.

Everyone is Afraid!

What do you wanf them to say?

What made it tough? The hacking? The sorry SGs guarding MJ?

It was tougher because of Hard fouls and hand checking was legal. Lebron would have a Lot harder time driving to the hoop when Dennis Rodman is pushing him with one hand the whole way. Also there were a lot less 3s so the court was less spread. Easier help defense.

You know it's still 1st vs 8th seed in the playoffs ain't nothing changed right they just added the play in tournament to get more interest

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Good luck accurately measuring a peak in a team sport....too many people don't recognize this is why there can never be a debate. MJ did not win those chips alone and Lebron didnt score 40k alone on the court. It's a team game...smh

​@@hooplah.hoops.hoodooyou definitely can measure that. How the hell do they give an MVP award in a team sport? They take all that in to consideration, don't type nonsense.

Yup. Vladimir klitscho won more championship fights than Muhammad Ali or mike Tyson. Does anyone think he’s the goat?

@@nivbitan1 Are you saying since they give out an MVP award it means they accurately identify the Most Valuable Player each year correctly? Dont make me laugh....talk about typing nonsense. MVP is a media storyline more than anything - dont get it twisted

And now there killing him because he turned himself into a 3 point shooter , only Steph , Dame , and LEBRON hit logo 3’s

@@user-rs5jl4ci5n I think I've seen Trae Young hit it at the logo too but only Steph and Dame do it consistently.

But he lost 4 Finals ...4!!...which makes all the difference.... Jordan none ..None!!!!!.......None!!!

@@vitosmith8195 Kareem played against prime Celtics and Pistons.... Jordan played against prime nobody... None!.... None!!!!

Exactly

@@greggibson33 MJ played against Dream Team I and II members.

Kareem didn't have any Olympic or International games that I'm aware of. But here's a breakdown of his championship wins/losses along with MJ and LBJ since they are mentioned. MICHAEL JORDAN's record: 12-0 (100% success rate) --won 1 NCAA championship --won 6 NBA Finals --won 2 Olympic gold medals --won 2 FIBA gold medals --won 1 International championship KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR’s (Lew Alcindor) record: 12-4 (75% success rate) --won 3 High school championships --won 3 NCAA championships --won 6 NBA Finals --lost 4 NBA Finals LEBRON JAMES's record: 10-9 (53% success rate) --won 3 High school championships --won 4 NBA Finals --won 2 Olympic gold medals --won 1 FIBA gold medal --lost 1 High school championship --lost 6 NBA Finals --lost 1 Olympics --lost 1 International championship

He's still more accomplished than Steph. Steph also had a better team.

Yeah lol i lile mj but even i saw that was stretching it thin lol

Well, it does beg the question: Why does James have 2 bronze medals in international play? The best player would never let that happen.

Well, it's not really moving it. It's just listing all of his championships/gold medals and Rob actually missed one but it's all good. LeBron has won some gold medals too but he does have those 2 bronze medals. Those count as an L (gold or nothing). Kareem didn't get to play for a gold medal but he has won a few NCAA championships.

@@mvpfocus Exactly...he didn't win gold until Kobe decided to play and I couldn't stand Kobe but I knew they would win then.

“maybe” this why you can’t even take jordan fans seriously 😂

​@@cheerioss-9121 yes 'maybe'. Because if the Lakers were to win a chip AD would have to be the best player on the team.

Why not?

@@Avarice-Zero He’s flawed like every other player. Let’s not only highlight his achievements when there are multiple players that have achievements that are just as impressive if we’re looking objectively.

@vonc5 True. But the reason his career has been looked at as the criteria is due to the flaws, the failures, achievements, accolades, losses, and wins. He has stats and trophies to go along with the storybook grind from the bottom to the top. He didn't take shortcuts to victories. There is a reason you didn't see Bron and KD crying after winning their first champship because the feeling of accomplishment wasn't earned. 2016 was earned, and that why you got raw emotion out of Bron. You'll get the same reaction from KD if he wins again without the Warriors. Jordan had all the ups and downs, all the losses and wins, all the stats and trophies.

@@vonc5 Nope now you are trying to change the criteria to fit whomever your guy is. it doesnt work that way. Goat criteria isn't MJ career, but MJ is the standard because he checks ALL the boxes! offense, defense, accolades, closing mentality, Highest player efficiency in NBA History,

@@norwoodhammond650 he’s not the only one that checks all those boxes is what I’m saying.

MJ is the Goat....you right the way today are scoring Luka could get aleast 30,000 and I would say Anthony Edwards could get 35,000 the way he been scoring and it's only his 4th season averaging almost 30

Kinda like how Jordan stopped winning 15 years in 😂 at least Bron is in year 21

@@shemmcetoogreezy4639 lebum winning? What's lebum win loss record?? Clueless aren't you😂🤣

@@thecliffsview lmaooo you oldheads need always crying when anyone mentions Bron 😂 it’s funny asf! Ohhhhh noooo I’m sorry we spoke about you daddy Jordon

@@shemmcetoogreezy4639 what's lebums win loss record again? The topic was winning kiddo 😂😂😂

@@thecliffsview dementia is kicking in I see, check up on that grandpa!