yeah I think the CW is possibly to CRM like what Alexandria was to negan and the saviors. they pay their tribute to keep the CRM off their backs by offering up people for them to take and do god knows what to them. that'd be pretty messed up but would be interesting to see.
@@epicty3607 well then i hope they don't do a war/conflict again with CRM tbh. It's better to keep CRM as a overlooming power which serves as a better story telling imo.
I think you're mistaken about the Commonwealth's structure. It's a collection of communties numbering at around 50,000, not just one giant community. Although there is definitely one larger central community that the others are built around in a network.
Well the show disappointingly only shows us the same community, and a very little part of it. While I commend TWD crew for building the whole Commonwealth town square set on the same location as the Prison and the Sanctuary, I can't understand why they couldn't find other filming locations and show us more than just that one place. Nearly every scene in the Commonwealth was in that same square with the train tracks behind it, in the train station, and different offices and apartments. We never saw or even hinted at the other communities in the Commonwealth like the one on a lake, never saw the stadium (I think Lance mentions it in 11x11) and there's some propoganda and maps they occasionally show (there's actually more great stuff BTS that they never showed on the show), but that's all we get. That coupled with the fact we only ever saw max 100 extras out of a 50,000 population and we only started to get CGI wide shots of the whole city in 11C all contributed to the Commonwealth feeling MUCH smaller than it did in the comics and never getting a real sense of scale, it just felt like Woodbury
@@bishbosh4815 the show did such a good job at expanding the saviors too! in the comics, different buildings don’t exist. negan doesn’t have a board team of his “top guys” like simon and dwight, and we never see the deals in the comics (with other groups like kingdom or hilltop) so it’s just unfortunate
in the comics they have a few panels where they go to a football game and the whole stadium is full, that would (for me at least) make the commonwealth actually feel huge
I think Lance is working with CRM that’s why he wants leadership so bad, I think they promised him to live as long as he can become leader so he could provide them with soldiers and anything they need.
The crm have enough people, what they want is to know the most powerful communities and eliminate them in order for the CRM to be the most powerful and dominant network worldwide.
@@anonymoususer7716 it’s possible but you’ve heard what the CRMs true intentions are, they wanna know what community is powerful and eradicate them so they can dominate and be more powerful than them, and maybe they could cover it up by telling the people of commonwealth communities they they somehow been destroyed and if possible, make them as a part of the CRM
@@anonymoususer7716 true and not all the 50K are soldier so they just recruit the soldiers who will be loyal and if they have families I’m guessing they live and those who won’t would be eliminated and plus Mercer will never join the CRM knowing what he’s fighting for and what the CRM really are and yeah the people who won’t join will be experiments if possible
But I think the commonwealth wants to expand eventually. If Lance gets what he wants (college up the coast, etc.), that would certainly come in conflict with the CRM.
I had this theory. What if Lance or someone else calls for help from CRM, if they do trade together? What if they send some soldiers and one of them ends of being Rick? Just a quick glance, maybe the soldier takes off the mask and everyone sees it's Rick then the episode ends. OR What if the way we see CRM again is Jadis returning and shows up in a helicopter in the final episode then tells everyone about Rick being alive but needing their help? I'd love that. So maybe we don't see Rick, besides a post credit scene but i think that'll be great to see
That first one actually makes so much sense, I'd love if it was just like Daryl spying on what the commonwealth is doing and then he tears up when he sees rick or something. That'd be a pretty good way to bring him back
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I wouldn't say so. Daryl or Carol may very well die (they probably won't) and the spin-offs could take place before season 11. For example, inbetween that 6 year time skip.
@@denisucuuu the last I heard Darryl and Carrol were going to Europe to find Rick and Michone. I’m now curious as to how TWD would handle their own Black Widow solo film scenario lol
That we never see the exterior/walls of the commonwealth or even like an entrance to it, is also something I have been sceptical about.....P.s. I love your videos mate
Thanks a lot, man! Yeah, I'd love to see even just like the entrance gates or something like this. It feels like this whole place is an actual set of a show and not a real place. Not exactly what a show should be going for haha.
@@silentwhisper8616 I'm going off memory here but no they didn't show any walls or anything just an exterior of the stadium and some surrounding streets
@@brade7022 so maybe it’s the same in the show? Maybe the CW just had so much protection that they don’t use walls? Because in the comics a horde came straight thru and flooded the streets of CW bc there was no walls
@@SirAuron777 Would be a lot better if they DID rush it. Think about it this way everything’s going fine and dandy in the commonwealth and a split second later they are under attack. Would make for a lot more interesting plot rather than finding clues and waiting 3 episodes for something you already knew was gonna happen. I think shows need more split second surprises like that in general.
I've been thinking for a very long time that the ending eps of the show might be CRM vs Commonwealth, with half of our characters on one side and half on the other and we won't know who to root for. And I also think that with Fear The Walking Dead moving production to GA, some of those characters will be included in this conflict too. They're running out of season at Fear, so I might be wrong. But I expected Morgan to lead those people out of the fallout zone and back to Alexandria.
Yes thank you so much for calling out the serious problem with the show's Commonwealth! It feels so small, it looks like a ghost town during Covid. I had the same questions. Where are their walls? How big is their land? Where do they grow their food? Where are the hundreds of extras in the streets? Why can't we see more streets and exterior shots for this community that's stated to have 50,000? I sadly think it's the terrible budget that AMC gives the show. This was the most impressive community visually in the comics but AMC once again goes the cheap route and only does the bare minimal for their flagship shows final season. Totally shameful. Also the Commonwealth had other branches like Greenville in the comics but they never address the other branches or outposts they have in the show?
Yeah that’s been a severe problem in a season that I otherwise have loved so far. Perhaps instead of Greenville it’ll be replaced in some way with the CRM?
@@thethriftytypewriter Sad that they ruined this communities scope and beauty for money. The thing is that I don't see how they can have the CRM show up at the end of the show while Maggie, Negan, Daryl and Carol go off in their own shows? The CRM can wipe out large communities in a single day and those spin off stories might take years.
11C is already starting to answer some of these questions. 1117 is a decent start but 1118 tops it, can't wait to see how they (if they) set up the upcoming shows and TWD universe. Great video btw, been binging your TWD content and really love it.
I think the last season will be about the CRM and commonwealth will be just straight fighting each other and next moment Rick is with the CRM and he realizes who he is shooting at and that when we realize Rick is back!
My personal theory of what could maybe happen- (this ended up being really damn long and I sorta started making it up as I went along at a certain point, was fun to type up tho) mine is actually kinda similair to yours when it comes to the leadership but I did make that part of this a while before I watched this video so it isn't copied, it's actually coincidental, also all of this is just like pain points, there's a load of stuff that could happen on top of what I've laid out, this is just the skeleton is that the common wealth and crm have some form of pact where they exchange stuff to keep good faith between the 2 nations and that due to the quite intense political instability within the commonwealth and in fact further supporting that, the outright rebellion that seems to be brewing suggests that the leadership shall be overthrown, so if the leadership is overthrown and the pact that prevents the crm from just viewing the commonwealth as something to eliminate rather than something that can benefit them is with the previous corrupt leaders, then perhaps when the crm hears that the leadership has been overthrown within the commonwealth they set up a meeting to attempt to establish the same pact with the new leadership, except, it turns out this pact requires they do something incredibly immoral (trading people is what I'm thinking makes the most sense considering how the crm seems to make that exact deal with Jadis and has a whole system for people being traded in also because of the vast missing persons list that seems to point back to the commonwealth leadership doing shady business behind the scenes and finally as a supplementary, the commonwealth would be about the biggest pool of people the crm could take from making them a desirable community to do business with) but due to this new leadership no longer being made up of the corrupt political figures it was before (I'm thinking characters like mercer and Maggie could end up in those roles after becoming part of a coup to take the Miltons out of power) they refuse to make the deal, after fighting to take the people out of under the thumb of political corruption, the idea of putting them back under that same oppression disgusts them and immediately sets them off to the fact that the crm is bad news, at which point they immediately start planning and send people to try and feel out how strong the crm really is (with at least one of those characters being someone who knows Rick, I'm thinking Daryl as it wouldn't be a contrivance [at least not one beyond a reasonable suspension of disbelief] as tracking, especially a task as important as this one also considering the fact that Daryl is within the commonwealth military anyway makes him an obvious choice and setup for later in my little theory) at which point they make the discovery that the crm vastly outnumbers them and possibly has superior technological advancements (I think this is likely due to the fact that we see the crm traveling in cars and helicopters while the commonwealth is traveling with horses) at this point they realise that a fight against them would be suicide but also, part of their mission to try and gain as much Intel on them as possible they attempt to listen into their radio broadcasts, they do this for a while as it would be a stupid contrivance if they just briefly listened in and heard what I'm thinking they could hear, obviously they don't expect anything of importance as the crm would obviously predict they would attempt such a move, but what they do hear, what Daryl hears... is Rick's voice, he could be saying anything routine, it doesn't matter, all that matters is that Rick's voice is what comes through that crm radio broadcast, and that is how Daryl discovers Rick is alive and a high ranking member of the crm (the broadcast could suggest from what he's saying that he holds alot of power within the crm and knows about their inner workings) now, I think its fairly clear that the crm doesn't know of Rick's original communities, I can see Jadis withholding that info as a last favour as she clearly grew to care for people such as gabriel before she left so the crm would have no knowledge of Rick's attachment to these new leaders within the commonwealth, and considering his position of power, it seems logical that he would hear who it was that was now running the commonwealth and provoking the crm, now, there's no way on earth that the commonwealth could beat the crm as they are, but, if they had a man on the inside who is in a position of power, who could feed them information and allow them to gain a massive advantage, they may stand a chance, I'm thinking that since now Rick knows that his loved ones are running the commonwealth and the main cast now knows that Rick is high up in the crm, they logically will both be searching for ways to contact one another, I'm thinking Rick may at that point have people he personally is close to and trusts fully and since anyone could listen into a radio broadcast, I'm thinking Rick sends someone he trusts from the crm to the commonwealth with a letter and establishes communication with the commonwealth and that is how he begins to warn them of any moves the crm attempts to pull, and a single man can move faster than an entire army, making the information travel faster than the enemy, of course I think it's likely that eventually this gets found out, at which point I'm thinking the messenger shall be captured leading to a crm attack being successful with no warning, which shall be an absolute massacre, hopefully with some major character deaths to give it impact as its the final season, now's the time to have major characters dying a whole lot more, I pray they don't pull a GOT season 8 and screw it up, anyway, I'm thinking that the main group that now runs the commonwealth will immediately know that Rick's sabotage has been found out, at which point I think they'll send a radio message down a relay to the crm to warn Rick to get out of there, at which point Rick will flee the crm and make his way to the commonwealth, at which point we will finally get Rick reuniting with everyone, after this however, things shall be looking mighty grim, I'm thinking that Jadis will also be brought into question as the crm will of course put 2 and 2 together and realise she has an association with the leadership of the commonwealth, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being her undoing, I'm thinking after all this, the crm will just decide that the longer this takes the more disadvantageous their position becomes since they have no clue if anyone else could be allied with the enemy they decide to launch an attack that no matter how much forewarning the commonwealth gets they can't stop, an all out assault on the commonwealth with everything they have in an attempt to simply kill everyone there, this could be where the series ends, a cliffhanger to be resolved in the Rick Grimes movies
I don't think it only benefits the people at the top. Their benefit is much more apparent but fir what's seen in the show, people in the Commonwealth have security and safety from the outside world. It struck me when we see Max sitting at her office, I cannot even picture her near a walker. I feel like people in the Commonwealth are so separated from the outside world that they don't even consider the dangers anymore
The People on Top, definitely get Perks, Better Housing etc. In the Comics. It gives a lot more Specifics.. it's a lot like Our Society: Haves & Have-Nots.
I think they did fail with bringing the Commonwealth to screens. I think the characters of Lance, Mercer, Sebastian and Pamela were perfectly cast and acted, they may have even been an improvement of their comic counterparts, Lance especially who is barely a character in the comics but one of the main antagonists on the show, but in terms of the Commonwealth itself and the characterisation of these characters in terms of their backstory and motivations, it's very surface level. It's never entirely clear how big the Commonwealth is, what the people at the top want and exactly what their plans are. Of course we see how Pamela is powerhungry and a typical politician, sitting pretty in luxury while being oblivious to the suffering of the people and what others are doing under her nose, Lance is driven by greed and control, he wants to make something for himself and earn the admiration of Pamela, Mercer is responsible for the safety of 50,000 people and while he knows what the elites are doing is wrong, he is a man of duty and loyalty, making him one of the more complex and conflicted characters, especially when we learn Max, Eugene's girlfriend, is his sister, and Sebastian, well he's a little punk, a spoiled brat who gets whatever he wants but is also neglected by his mother. This all makes sense and is somewhat true to the comics, but then the show takes a turn that I don't really understand. All these characters seem to go rogue and do unexpected things that aren't really explained, and sometimes explanations are given but then they change. Like Lance, at first he's calculating and manipulative, using his silver tongue to get people to do what he wants, how he uses fake Stephanie to trick Eugene into given them more information, calling in favours from people, trying to get the communities to join the Commonwealth and expand their influence. But then he sends an attack on a random community that were really no threat to them, the protagonists get involved and Negan is with this new group, and this whole conflict starts that leads them to no longer trust eachother and Lance goes full on two face leading an assault on the characters, using Leah as a mercenary, and taking over the communities. Meanwhile, Sebastian is using indebted poor people to go into a mansion surrounded by walkers to get money for him, and Pamela seems to be disappearing people who rebel against the Commonwealth but we don't know where. We even see Tyler Davis, the soldier Princess beat up, demoted to a low class job and revealing that there are thousands of people like him who want change and are rising up against their oppressors. Rosita finds his hiding room filled with propoganda, and Connie devotes herself to find out what happened to him and exposing the truth of the Milton's corruption. However, this goes nowhere. The conflict with Lance is brought to a halt and Pamela arrests him and frames him for Sebastian's crimes to end the protests, everything goes back to normal and she says she'll give back their communities. But then Max exposes Sebastian and Eugene gets him killed, wasting his potential to be an even more evil villain or having a redemption arc, seemingly just to make Pamela mad and more erratic. Then everyone is taken into custody and "disappeared" to get them out of the way for Eugene's trial, and despite Pamela having had no interest in the communities and disapproving of the way Lance took them.over and the games he plays, she seems to keep his work going and Alexandria is turned into a Commonwealth outpost and labour camp seemingly over night. So was she just lying? Keeping up appearances? Was this always her plan? Was Lance doing this for him, for her, or for the CRM? What alliances and stabilising factors do they have? How much of what Lance was doing did Pamela know about? What would've happened if Lance, Max and Eugene hadn't caused the chaos at Founder's Day and they had just gone home? Why do we never see the extent of the socio-economic inequalities? Like some people live in fancy apartments and some live in shitty apartments but it's not like a Hunger Games level of inequality among the separate classes, there aren't people homeless and starving, it just functions like a normal society where some people have more than others. Exactly how deep did the political corruption run, was there a democracy, government, or was it a Milton dictatorship? What happened to the thousands of rebels? The Commonwealth itself as a society felt so bland and empty, the story focused much more on the villains doing villany things than having an actual consistent narrative than involved the people and place of the Commonwealth itself, except for all the hundreds of stormtroopers that are wasted by the protagonists with ease. It didn't feel as lived in and real as it shouldve, and we still know nothing about how the Commonwealth came to be and how they manage to have such abundant resources and limitless fuel for vehicles and bullets for working guns over a decade into the apocalypse. The seeds were planted for the CRM to play a role in explaining the Commonwealth and set up the future of the franchise but it never did, and the Commonwealth felt so much smaller than it shouldve done. It even took Mercer till the final 2 episodes to switch sides and he didn't even really do anything! They killed off Lance before revealing what he knows just to make Pamela the primary antagonist for some reason, and cut out the most iconic parts of the Commonwealth arc in the comics of Dwight's assassination attempt on Pamela and Rick shooting him in the head, and Rick's inspiring speech and Sebastian killing him, which should all have been given to other characters on the show, and more shouldve died throughout the season! The pacing and writing was messy and rushed but slow at the same time... it just didn't work. I don't think the Commonwealth arc is inherently bad, I love the theme of going back to the old world and with it all the social ills of civilisation, it couldve felt like a combination of the early days in Woodbury with the Governor and Alexandria with Deanna, but it just... didn't
I think it only makes sense. Where do all these supplies come from with the Commonwealth? If the CRM is the biggest community left in the world, it would make sense that they trade supplies with communities like the Commonwealth in exchange for people, like the guy said whose comment I pinned.
@@thethriftytypewriter I agree but how could 200 people be kidnapped from the Commonwealth without anyone noticing. The show clearly portrays it as a small community so I'm confused on that little plot hole?
@@thethriftytypewriter i think commonwealth just trades with smaller communities. It was shown with the trading of drugs/opium ig. But CRM being involved makes total sense aswell. It also makes sense to me for why Lance would be worried about the stolen guns so much.. maybe they were part of CRM trade and losing them would be fatal for Lance and his community.
@@brianachim2670 oh i didn't know they make their own. But i meant that CRM gave them the guns.. so Lance has this connection to their property and just wants to keep them safe and use these resources to the fullest. Knowing how twisted his ways can be, maybe he just wants to build a good rep against CRM just like he did with Pamela.
This last part I agree is going to have to move fast! No filler episodes like Fear has started off with. They have a lot to wrap up and not enough time IMO. Loving your videos. If you ever do older Sify I like/love Stargate SG1 and Alantis. Not sure it would bring in the views but it's a good show.
Walking Dead ends with Rick showing up with the CRM. The Commonwealth and the CRM will meet. The Rick movies will deal with a war between the two and Rick in flash backs. Daryl and Carol spin off will deal with the aftermath of that war.
I really wanted them to slowly tease that they’re in a secret conflict with the CRM. Like, why would they want their weapons back so badly? It would also be a great way to bring Rick back. Imagine this: Last episode: Daryl, the last man standing in this battlefield dressed in the commonwealth soldier armour, notices a figure in the distance. He begins slowly walking towards the figure, trying to capture a look through the fog of war. It’s a CRM soldier, with one arm? Daryl, knives now out, begins to rush at the solder, pinning him to the ground. They fight. And keep fighting until the one armed man manages to out-strength Daryl, pulling of his mask. The soldier stands stunned…”Daryl?”…Daryl’s guard drops as the CRM soldier takes of his mask. Daryl stares stunned before the simple name exits his mouth…”Rick?” The two stand stunned at each other. Time has changed so much since they last spoke as bodies from both sides lie dead around them began reanimating. Two brothers, on opposite sides. CUT TO BLACK. THE END.
imagine the CRM marching towards the commonwealth and at the front is a pissed Rick Grimes in the CRM soldier uniform demanding they take down the banners
I wonder if Danai Gurera is coming back to the show? And she was last seen helping an injured man with a woman to rejoin a large group marching in formation away in the distance.. Since her primary reason for being out there is to look for Rick, maybe he’s with that group, maybe they’re either a part of the CRM, or another group that help take on the commonwealth.. Also the actors in various interviews have hinted the word “together” for how the show ends. Hmmmm.. lots to think about.🤔
I don't understand why they didnt just go for it with the CRM connections that were so blatant! Over and over Come characters hinted at the CRM through dialogue and actions, like all the people Pamela "disappeared" and the alliances Lance made, the train, Designation 2, and other things that really seemed to be hinting at the Civic Republic, but it all turned out to be nothing, or at most world building and set up for the future without it actually meaning anything right now. They had the perfect opportunity to introduce the CRM to TWD as a means to set up future spinoffs and have the characters learn that Rick is alive, or even have him return, but they just refused to. I don't understand why, the read somewhere that Angela Kang said Scott Gimple wouldn't let her, but they've created this entity that is like a civilisation empire that connects TWD across multiple shows which is obviously where the future of TWD is headed. It's the reason Rick left and where he's been for years, it's where Jadis is, the helicopter and 3 rings started in season 8, and since the CRM has appeared in Fear TWD and World Beyond, which was meant to set up the movies, but it was mostly a dumb teen drama and now the movies aren't happening anyway. I dont know if SG had bigger plans that got fucked by COVID and AMC making them end TWD, because there's a lot of potential there, and from what we have seen of the CRM, the way they're organised, how expansive and powerful it is, what they're capable of, what their plan for the country is, how they are the biggest entity we've ever seen in TWD that stand the greatest chance of rebuilding civilisation, and experimenting on walkers, the whole A and B thing, it is actually pretty intriguing and compelling, but they are taking SO FUCKING LONG to give us this story, building it up piece by piece, dropping little tidbits of information, teases and hits every year, without ever actually getting into it as a main storyline. TWD thinks it's like the MCU but it's not, no matter how many spinoffs there are, and I'm tired of waiting. And now the Rick and Michonne spinoff is confirmed to be only one season with 6 episodes, I very concerned about how they intend to pay all this set up off, and if it'll be sprinkled between the spinoffs instead of just having one focus on them. The Commonwealth arc was the perfect opportunity to start connecting the dots and make TWD characters aware of the CRM and Rick's survival so that when they go to their spinoffs they have a common goal of searching for the CRM and Rick and working together to save him and take them down from different angles. But they're just not doing that. They're being painfully and purposely vague and cryptic about everything and this just feels like something that is omnipresent in the background but will never actually play a role in the main story, dropping clues at something bigger that never actually comes to fruition
OK I think a lot of people had ties to CRM I think Knigge did because he had an a on the shirt when he had Darrell and that self feeding them dog food and then was testing him with the dead.
If I'm not wrong, season 11 will have 22 episodes and there are 8 episodes left. 8 episodes which I think they will be released in october (this is my prediction).Maybe they will release the Rick movies before the episodes. I can't see them bring Rick back in these last 8 episodes and be a TOP ending. I like the character of Eugene but instead of a full episode with him finding out Stephanie isn't real they should have shown us where's Michonne
they havent even started filming the movies yet because of covid, and if they were ready to be released the release date would've been announced a while ago
The nukes only effected a little less than half of Texas, but still, you'd think someone in one of other shows would be like "yo, so I just passed by Texas awhile back and let me tell you.....that place is a bigger shithole than it was before"
@@CaulfieldBrooksMusic ooo still is very big. I'm beginning to wonder if a horde of radioactive dead appear in the future grime movies or spinoffs but I also very much doubt it.
Me and my dad are speculating that Rick will be in the crm and they will invade the common wealth Rick will at some point find Daryl and the others that’s just what we think will happen though
I’m thinking something along those lines but they better have a good explanation as to why Rick is with the CRM and not trying to get back to everyone and his kids haha
@@thethriftytypewriter the original pitch for the comic books was for Rick to make an army and take back the planet from the undead I think this is a good possibility for what they mite end the show on and it would work for why he’s with the crm
@@FJcruisin07 not take over the world I mean eliminate any offensive community's like the common wealth and kill all the walkers or at least as many as neaded
Yeah, like at the end of season 10 on the way to Commonwealth where they met Princess was a cool location. They filmed that in Atlanta and it was nice to see the apocalyptic city scape. Hopefully the new show based in New York will be makeup for that
Honestly I’m probably gonna go for the CRM instead of the commonwealth for two reasons. 1. Because the CRM has 200,000 people. 2. The CRM are the only group we know of that are actively trying to search for a cure which means that they have more advanced technology. Also don’t get me wrong both the CRM and commonwealth soldiers look awesome but I massively prefer the CRM just because I think they’re the better one of the two.
I dunno, but after all this time of committing to the series and the teasers for crm in main show given tooooo much time ago. They have waaaaaay too little time to explain some shit, let alone connect it. They better do something!!!!
I don't really care at this point. I'm just ready for the show to end. All the original interesting characters are pretty much gone, I don't even know the names of 90% of the characters on the show now. The only cool character left is Negan
Hey, I love your videos and would love to talk about them and TWDU in general on your discord but it doesn't seem to let me join. Can you please send me a new link or add me? :)
