Does the Raptor Really Have a 108-0 Record? Do Training Kills Matter? 

thats AWACS fault. and as for GCI, if they were tasked that area, not surprising. --former tps75 operator. the eagle is still probably the best go to war air superiority fighter. f22 has too many reliability issues.

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​@@ciaran7780 there are limits to what the radar can see. In the real world it's unlikely that the plane will be within 150 or even 200 miles from the nearest sa10 or 21 could be located. Which means there will be terrain created blind spots.

You could fit a lot of amrams and a cwis or two in a herc😂

@@ciaran7780 not necessarily F15's have their own radars and are responsible for their own mission.

@@brellnob​​⁠I can see how that would make sense to someone who isn’t a fighter pilot, but it really doesn’t.

The F-22 v Balloon kill is an incredible piece of one-up manship. It tells China three things: 1:The US will defend its airspace from even the slightest threat. 2:US "heat seeking" AIM-9X missiles do not require a heat source to track. As balloons are acclimated to ambient temp. At that altitude, the balloon was sub freezing. 3:All of Chinas efforts to hack and steal Lockheeds data and intellectual property on the F-22/F-35. And their subsequent J-20 development is null and void. (Because the F-35 can track threats from over 800NM, which is several MOA below the horizon, using thermal sensors. This was in the news at the same time as the Balloon. And it can fire AIM-9X "heat seeking" missiles that are so sensitive, they can smash a frozen balloon, let alone an afterburner equipped stealth jet. Even an ordinary jet skin surface heats up due to friction at cruise speed). The next layers of brilliance is the general public is outraged that this balloon was allowed to drift entirely across the country after crossing into Montana airspace, all the way to DC. Then was shot down with an expensive missile. By an expensive jet that has never seen real combat. Average joe thinks this is an embarrassment. But NORAD nullified the balloons ability to gather and transmit data, while also gathering their own intel about the systems capability, since it was actively trying to transmit information back to China. Allowing ground based receivers to determine what intel it was gathering. While allowing it to drift across the continent on national TV. A total embarrassment to China. And a great publicity stunt to gin more Military support and funding for a potential (someday maybe) war in the South China Sea in aid of Taiwan.

When i'm in a yapping competition and my opponent is this guy:

@@dawixd2678when you believe everything you read on the internet lol 😂

​​​@@TheJustinJit took us forever to get a fighter in the air.. and it is an embarrassment because the "Most Dominate Air Superiority" Jet only killed a balloon while others actually saw combat and proved its worthiness. If the J-20 or Su-57 had done the same, the reaction will be the same and they'll become a laughing stock. I understand if the base had an active F-22 or one was nearby but you can easily use an F-15 and 16 to take down a simple balloon. It's not a total embarrassment to China, because they did it over and over to see how quick the response time is so they can get a good idea on how the US will respond to their invasion on Taiwan. China even stuck a drone into Japan and pinpoint its helicopter carrier which Japan got scared. If you look on the map, you can see mock ups of US jets in the desert where they tested the carrier model. Why do you think they haven't sent more? They learned and are now implementing tactics.

​@rodneypayne4827 f22s were intentionally nerferd and we in an un stealth configuration.. not how it would be in real combat so does it really count?

@@squad-wh4ig the point of the video is that none of it counts for anything, except taking an air to air L to an A-10.

I’ve also seen one on a T-38

Ye I once saw a Cessna 172 with a F-22 painted on the engine cowling. So what?

Cope

Amen. 🙏

But, but, but DCS pros say ______! 🤣🙄

HOBS is pretty cool, seems like there's really no beating it if your aircraft isn't similarly-equipped, BUT obviously a merge is a situation a Raptor driver ideally never gets into in the first place. I'm jealous that you got to see the initial turn though, must have been kinda terrifying seeing how quickly that nose comes around at you.

Ok but hear me out… I’ve got some advice for MLB pitchers and NFL GMs as well. I’ve also sat in a old f-18 when I was 6 at an air show thank you very much. No “seat time”

Just imagining you merging with a Raptor, getting a shot off, and then immediately have to go defense because the Raptor has such an insane turn rate and can essentially turn its nose on demand.

​@@stanislavkostarnov2157the risk of losing f22 to the enemy hands far outweigh the benefits of testing it. F22 is tested all the time in stimulated fight against other us aircrafts, that's more then enough for now. Losing F22 to Russia would undermine decades and billions worth of intelligence loss, they can reverse engineer everything

Glad a BKM representative is here!

My daughter popped several balloons this weekend. It mattered.

No one is keeping score. There are no kill counts or “training records.”

Criminally underrated point, people forget this too often

most of the kills are Mig 21 and 23, like come on, don't mean much noways

Numerically. Maybe. But the F-15 has gone head to head with Mig-29 and Sukhoi SU-27s flown by the best soviet-equipped and trained, proxy air force in the world. Keep in mind, the F-15 is roughly equivalent to the F-14. And the F-14 also went toe to toe with Iraq in the hands of Iran, and was proven to be a world-beater in their hands as well.

@@TheJustinJ Every thing the F-15 went toe to toe against.... The F-16 did also. The F-16 has 84+ kills to 1 disputed loss.. It's the real unsung hero in comparison. In operation Peace For Galilee in the early 80s the F-16 outscored the F-15 with air to air kills against Syrian Migs. 44 kills to the F-16 vs 40 for the F-15.. And to top it off the F-16 had no longer range Sparrows to do so. It got all it's kills at very close dogfighting range. The F-15 had the advantage with Sparrows but it still did not outscore the F-16 then in that conflict. Then the F-14 in Iranian hands did not have a squeaky clean record ether. Iraqi Mirage F-1s did get several kills on Tomcats and a handful also fell to their Migs.

@@TheJustinJ It did got a few kills against the mig-29 bit is also a aging platform that is slowly being retired, but that is the minority of the track record. F-15 never fought Su-27 outside of exercises, in which they underperform massively due it being before the Radar was updated.

​@@Galomortalbr not Blue's fault that Red Air hasn't upgraded their Soviet era stuff

Correct

It's standard practice to not reveal the full capabilities of military hardware, tactics and strategies. You only go all out when it truly matters, at all other times you hold back. This is true for all advanced militaries in the world. Anything else is plain foolish.

A B-52 tailgun radar painted a F-4G during desert storm and thinking it was a ground radar the WSO fired an anti-radiation missile. It shredded the B-52s tail but it landed and was dubbed "In HARM's Way".

@ChucksSEADnDEAD that is truly unlucky for the B-52. But pretty interesting things like that can happen. A combination of all sensoretyps in one missile would probably be intresting to see, that also slows down and starts it burners again when requiring. I mean Imagen a missle that can be guided have its on radar, has its own visuel sensors not only infrared to the see the jet and use theire ow radar and Jamming against them too. That stuff would be really hard to avoid. But I am not sure of a combination of HRAM, optical guided, radarguided and infrared missals even exist. Would be wild if it dose

Except your just making uneducated assumptions. In BVR your gonna have to get closer to get a kill that just simple missile employment mindset. Nvm the fact that an F-35 in stealth config carries the same amount of missiles as an Air to Air Config F-16 and Gripen C/E as they both need to carry fuel tanks since both fighters simply doesnt have the endurance to loiter for an amount of time using internal fuel alone. If the F-35 needs more AAM's she could go beast mode allowing her to carry up to 14 AAM or 16 if we include the sidekick upgrade and back up her reduced stealth with her extensive electronic warfare capability.

Gripen is a great aircraft but its particular strengths are things that often matter alot in real warfare but don't show up in politicans minds - it's designed to be maintained by conscripts with minimal training, it has great senors and is focused on netowrk centric warfare (but that requires you to have the network for it to work with). Also it's made by Sweden, Sweden is still pretty much neutral, buying fighter jets from Sweden makes you friends in Sweden which most countries don't really care about. Buying US jets makes you friends with the US which is much more significant. Then there's the security of supply - not always guaranteed that the US wont cut off supplies to a country that's attacked but probably sweden is more likely to. Then there's the strengths of the F35 - much lower RCS and similarly great sensors and network capability (but more expensive). I am a bit surprised that the Grippen hasn't sold well in developing countries - it does seem kind of like a modern version of the Mirages, but perhaps those countries have been going for the Rafale. It's worth noting that the Viggen didn't sell well either and neither do British designs.

@@gotanon9659 what do you know about BVR? Have you ever been in it witnessed a BVR fight or actually learned about BVR tactics and standard doctrine?

@@tomriley5790 well, you said it.. It’s not just the plane but the country that sells it The F-16 has been around for a long time and is still being produces which means availability of parts and munitions which are standardized btw for the long term While I agree that politicians don’t know what they’re doing the people that run their military hopefully do and are the ones testing the planes and considering all the ins and outs of the purchase

The reason why American fighter jets win so many contracts over smaller competitors, like Saab Gripen, is that financial muscle of the US. Smaller counties can’t compete with the counter offers that the US can make, like industrial investments and political gains etc. Saab has managed that in Brazil, by letting the South Americans build the aircraft themselves but usually its companies like Lockheed Martin that wins the bidding on pure financial muscle. I recon it will be slightly different now that Sweden is in NATO.

I was on the blue side, so no.

Guest red air is the greatest deal on the planet. When I was still in a combat coded squadron, it was always a good time to be tagged for red air. Easy day. Becoming professional red air made it a little more painful, but still fun.

And the J-11A proceeds to wipe the floor with the Gripens C arse at 25km or less

@@gotanon9659 so don't get within 25km...

More respect on this mans name 🤙🏿

In the movies they often remove the masks because it makes it easier to recognize who is who and get better quality audio. Trying to capture any facial expressions and emotions is also much harder with a mask on. Same with why they always have their visors up or they are always clear (except for bad guys!). Real world you definitely want your mask on. Oxygen, radio/intercom, protection during ejection are the big reasons that come to mind.

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