Does this Bible Verse DESTROY the doctrine of Purgatory (or does it teach it?) 

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Your series of discussions on purgatory is truly appreciated. Thank you for your commitment & dedication in explaining our amazing Catholic faith. God bless.

So silly. had protestants argue with me about the need for baptism, distorting this verse to argue against the need for baptism. First time ever heard it being used to argue against purgatory though, but still silly.

It's interesting that on Sunday, Jesus tells Miriam (Mary of Magdala) that he had not yet ascended to The Father. Ergo, today the thief didn't go to HEAVEN (The immediate presence of the Father.) Nor did Jesus. There is an intermediate state. If you don't like the term purgatory, don't call it that. Or. Do.

Here is my opinion on Purgatory. The repentant thief went to Paradise, the same place where Lazarus was in the Bosum of Abraham, because the Gates of Heaven were NOT opened yet as is stated in Jn.20:17-18; "Do not cling to me for I have not ascended..." In Eph.4:8-10; "Our Lord descended to the lower regions" In 1Pt.3:19-20; "Our Lord Jesus Christ went and preached to the Spirits in prison. Those who had DISOBEYED/SINNED since the days of Noah, 8 were saved" These Spirits were not in Hell! Hell is ETERNAL! And one of the most powerful proof is in 1Jn.5:16-17 in where it tells us that; NOT all Sin is Deadly, HELL! All wrong doing is sin, BUT not all Sin is Deadly and we are asked to PRAY for them...1Cor.3:13-15, Mt.5:22-26 AND, from one of the books that Martin Luther removed; 2Maccabees 12:45

Did not the Jews believe that everyone went to Paradise or Abraham's bosom to wait for either the end of the world or after the Messia came? Jesus went to hell to free all the waiting souls; at least that's how I read it.

You are such a good teacher. God bless you!

As many of the commenters have shown, the popular Catholic view of purgatory is of a place. The medieval vision of purgatory included fire of penitential suffering before being permitted to enter heaven. At least that is how I’ve always heard it described. Your presentation should be perfectly acceptable to most evangelicals. If your understanding and the teaching of Pope Benedict had been articulated at the time of the reformation, I don’t believe it would’ve been rejected. After all, there is the passage in first Corinthians about some being saved, as Through Fire without anything to show for their life. There are also the Scripture passages about different rewards being dispensed in heaven. So the idea of individuals developing further in sanctification, as we are with Jesus, seems to me not be a problem. The problem was that what was taught about purgatory did not fit an understanding of believers belonging to Jesus on our deaths, being with him in heaven, as your presentation says. Again, your presentation should cause little problem, I believe, to most Evangelical Protestants. And it explains how it could be, that we the imperfectly sanctified, could suddenly become sanctified upon our deaths. Your presentation of the doctrine does not contradict other scripture passages regarding salvation such as the one which declares “if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, (already, though obviously in process), “The old is gone. The new has come.”

Thanks so much Kenny love the smoothness which you use to explain.. it's simple and easy to understand for whoever.. even for those are non mothertongue english practioner.. God bless you and your ministry.

Thank you for putting this together

I once had a coc reformation Pastor try to say that the thief on the cross believed in Jesus because he knew scriptures and he was a sola scriptura believer. This was one of the craziest conversations I have had about this and maybe the Bible

Thank you Kenny. We so need many more bibical converts to the catholic church .Your love for Jesus is so inspiring you are on fire with the truths like a lot of born again Catholics. May many more be inspired by you clear teaching to realise we are either hot or luke warm.For Gog or against no inbetween.🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤

Thief’s penance was the willfull acceptance of the pains he endured on the cross.

Another great show. Thanks! I always learn something as a life long Catholic!🙏🏻✨

La Sagrada Biblia 1 Peter 3 19. Purgatorio. In Hebrew Sheol. In Greek Hades. In Latin Purgatorium means realm of the dead. The CCC says Purgatory is the state of final purification and in Revelation it says nothing impure enters heaven

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Hi Kenny: Are you saying that if people confess their sins to Jesus, then they can enter Heaven like the thief on the Cross. This IS what Protestants believe as well. But, what's missing in the Protestant teaching, is "where do people go if they dont confess their sins?" I think they believe they go to hell, is that right? So, Im still confused about "where purgatory" is in the Bible? If we dont confess our sins, then we're sinful, and sin cannot enter Heaven, but only hell. I only know of purgatory from what my grandmother told me when my grandfather died. She heard his voice say, "..(her name)...Im steps away from Heaven. Say an indulgence please for me and then Ill be there." She did, and never heard his voice again. And just last week, I met a woman whose husband died a bit more than a month ago. She is Protestant. She woke up suddenly in her sleep, and heard her husband's😮 voice saying, "Anna, God found me!" Her daughters asked their Mom, "Then where was Dad for a month?" And this is when I suggested purgatory to this Protestant woman. I had tears and said that we, as Catholics believe we can pray for souls in purgatory so they are taken to Heaven. I had tears also cause I said, this was proof to me that all our Catholic prayers for the souls in purgatory are working. I think purgatory exists because of God's GREAT MERCY AND LOVE FOR US. AMEN.

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Can you talk about once saved always saved?

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Can I also add that the thief on the cross witnessed to Christ that they (thieves) deserved the punishment on the cross - this is literally taking up their cross while proclaiming Jesus is Lord. The doctrine of redemptive suffering surely played a role here and God knows to what extent.

Would you consider doing a video that addresses the points that were made by Mike Gendron on Allie Beth Stuckey’s podcast recently? He says he’s an ex-Catholic…. Allie is a Calvinist who also calls herself a “white evangelical Protestant”. What is the thought process behind these perspectives?

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Amen!

I'm Catholic but I have never believed in Purgatory. But in my view, it doesn't much matter what one believes. Do your best everyday to live for Jesus and the kingdom. Pray for forgiveness and Divine Mercy when you fall short. This is how sin is purged. What more can be done to avoid Purgatory?

when Jesus himself died, he did not go directly to paradise, he spent 3 days in the tomb and once resurrected he said to Mary Magdalene "do not touch me because I have not yet gone back to my Father" (his Ascension later) so 3 days to delivers the souls in purgatory, a fews days after to his ascension and finally in paradise. To meditate on: *Today* - before Abraham, *I Am* - *1 day is like 1000 years and 1000 years like 1 day* ! time has no influence on God! Even when he says "the hour has come..." all His passion was not made in 1 hour, he was hit, spat on, flogged, walked carrying his cross on a long road, nailed , pierced it was the 6th hour (noon) and died at the 9th hour (3:00 p.m.)

The good thief became St. Dismas

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The good thief's experience does not negate the existence of purgatory but rather highlights the extraordinary grace of God. His immediate entry into paradise can be seen as a unique circumstance, reflecting the mercy of Christ at the moment of death. The Church teaches that while the good thief received immediate salvation, this does not imply that all souls can bypass the purification process if needed 56.

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Yeah. St. Dismus went to Purgatory. That is all we know. There is no known history on the life of that thief. There are suggestions that he did know Jesus though.

The thief was the man who stood ready to escort the scapegoat outside the city from Leviticus 16:21. “21 Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the wrongdoings of the sons of Israel and all their unlawful acts regarding all their sins; and he shall place them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands ready.”

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The thief paid for his sins on his cross and was redeemed by the blood and sacrifice of Christ’s cross

The thief was the man who stood ready to escort the scapegoat outside the city from Leviticus 16:21. “21 Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the wrongdoings of the sons of Israel and all their unlawful acts regarding all their sins; and he shall place them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands ready.” He traveled to paradise (He descended into Hell) with Christ.

El purgatorio es doctrina católica de fe y también bíblica, muchas personas lo han visto estando en este mundo y han testificado que de veras existe. Solo los necios e ignorantes lo niegan.

The thief on the cross, jesus say he'll be in paradise, that is the privilege donot teach jesus christ what his decesion. Purgatory is biblical not word for word but the meaning of purgatory. 1 peter 3:18-19

God, "Jesus" can save whoever he chooses to save He saves. Yes perfect contrition. Perfect salvation In the end it's God's

Mr Kenny, I really like you, you have touched on a personal pet peeve I have with some Protestants. Nowhere does the Bible say that we are “absent from the body and present with the Lord.” Rather, Paul mentions his personal desire to be absent from his body and present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:8 - “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord”)

St Dismas accepts his punishment for his sin. He doesn’t come with faith alone, and Christ doesn’t reject the offering of his death. If you’re offering up a suffering (that is accepted) and you don’t go to purgatory all that that means is that this verse proves indulgences.

The thief on the cross died during the time when the Old Covenant was still active. That's why Jesus said he'll be in Paradise, not Heaven. He went to Abraham's Bosom. Sheol.

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Thanks for this important clarification...I KEEP having this discussion! This helps to simplify.

The thief hanging on his own actual cross was also being purified through his punishment. It drives me a little batty that Protestants use that as a demonstration of faith alone. Is that the normal plan for the average person? To sin to the point of that sort of punishment and then die that way while professing directly Jesus? I think sanity asks for a little less indifference to the actual circumstances in terms of salvation.

Could you do a video like this on the thief and baptism? They try and say it disproves baptism too.

Thank you! Very well explained. I have had a devotion to praying for the souls in Purgatory for decades. And God has gifted me with having dreams of some people who are in Purgatory and some of them of why they are still there, some after decades. I need to watch your other videos now. God bless you with this most needed ministry.

Jesus is a priest in the order of Melchizedek

30000 Protestant denominations or ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC Church which has existed since the day of Pentecost? Geeeeeee. That’s a tough one. We can argue over scripture and it’s meaning for ever Who has the authority of Christ to teach and interpret. ? Small hint. It ain’t no Protestant privately interpreting the Bible.

1 peter 3: 19 ... Jesus go the.improsined Spirits in Hades in Hell to proclaimed to Fallen Angels and the spirits who never listened to Noah before His Victory.

What a BEAUTIFUL explanation!

Kenny, good stuff. And the thief went to heaven through the Baptism of Desire, so all sins were forgiven...no Purgatory

God bless you and your ministry always, Kenny.

Bro Kenny thankful for this video. It totally slip eyes and hears about Jesus the great priest who did hear the confession of the thief. Totally make sense! 👍

Dear Kenny, as a matter of interest, and of course allowing for the fact that the word 'day' may be difficult to define because of God's timelessness, but setting aside any possible nuances, where do Protestants believe Jesus went after He died? Do they believe He went to Sheol or not and if they do, then 'how long' was He there? God bless, V

Well done! Like a sculptor, chipping the heresy away from the perfect image of Christ.

If people are looking, the previous verse that you need to make a note next to (in the chain) is 1 John 3:2. Kenny, could you mention it when you update a chain? I found it easily because I remembered far enough up the chain and used yellow to highlight so it was easy to find and track through but others might find it tricky. Also great answers. Dismus did confess to a priest, the High Priest in whose person all other priests act. Well pointed out. I have also noted the two paragraphs of the CCC that apply.

Hey Kenny! Thanks, what a gift we have. We should all want ardently to be purified to be with Complete Purity. To think we are sufficient already lacks humility. And a gift, honor and responsibility we have to help those that are in that state. But, I would like you to read Rev. 20:4-6. You should find this interesting The ones seated on thrones are Saints that judgement was already passed through. (we are invited to be these) Ones died for Christ are martyrs and have a special place besides Him. (a gift to be these) A thousand years is a description of a very long time. Here it is... The rest of the dead did not come to life for a [long time] this is their first resurrection. ( the first resurrection?= the resurrection of their SPIRIT. because they have already died. Blessed and holy are they because the SECOND DEATH will not touch them, (death of their spirit or committed to damnation, hint- cast out where there will be gnawing of teeth ) So the big question is........... WHERE WERE THEY FOR THAT LONG TIME AFTER DEATH AND BEFORE THE RESURRECTION OF THEIR SPIRIT??? I suppose like Saint Paul said in 1 Cor. 3:12-15 A moment of cleansing by fire, impurities being burned away. Kinda like purifying gold. Purgatory is a GIFT. The basis of purgatory is burning desire to be with God. They are blessed because they know they will see Him but just don't know when. Our expiation can start here in the physical. The more longing we have for God here, the more enduring and following His example. The more we accept and hold the resources He have offered the better we are. Like in court, the more witnesses we have to bear testimony on our behalf the better case we have. Yes, when you are before Purity, Judgement and Mercy the soul will want to go to be cleansed (change to clean clothes) in order to be with God. Yes there are few occasions where our accepted suffering in body was sufficient to enter. There is also a wonderful book called The Manuscripts of Purgatory, along with many mystical Saints whom all collaborate. Thanks Keep sharing

Thank you so much for the amazing video! I hate to be so insistent but I hope that if you ever do a video on the papacy and peter being the "Petros," could you adress acts 4:11 please, along with the other objections? That is something that would help me greatly as your videos guide me in my faith with my Catholic heart with a Protestant brain so I can understand things so much better.

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Christ says in Matthew that, like Jonah, he would be in the belly of the earth for 3 days. Acts tells us Christ remained on earth for 40 days before He ascends. So there were 43 days BEFORE Christ went to Heaven. Did the good thief go ahead of the Lord to make sure the lights were on for His arrival? Or, more likely, Paradise that Christ mentions, is Abrahams Boosom. The place where the prisoners Christ preached to in 1st Peter were awaiting the Messiah They claim there is no "purgatory " Then please explain where Jesus' Spirit went for the 3 days his body was dead? Sacred Scripture says ",, that he went and preached to the spirits who lay in prison. " ( 1 Peter 3:19) Where was this prison? was it in Heaven? If so why would there be a prison in Paradise? Was the prison in the Hell of the Damned? If so why would the damned need to hear the Gospel? . Scripture for Purgatory Luke 12:58-59; 1 Corinthians 3:15; Mathew 5:25-26 ... temporary agony. Hebrews 12:6-11 God's painful discipline. Mathew 12:32 no forgiveness ... nor in the age to come. 1 Peter 3:18-20 might be purgatory (limbo?). 1 Peter 4:6 preached to the dead. Revelations 21:27 ... nothing unclean shall enter heaven. Hebrews 12:23 souls in heaven are perfect. Colossians 1:24; 2 Sam 12:13-14 extra suffering. 2 Macabees 12:43-46 sacrifice for the dead. (not in Protestant Bibles) 2 Timothy 1:15-18 prayer for Onesiphorus for "that Day." 1 John 5:14-17 ... mortal/venial sins

I’m convinced that there’s room in scripture to permit the doctrine of purgatory, but I can’t figure out WHEN it happens. Also WHAT actually happens in purgatory? WHEN: This matters since we are supposed to pray for the dead. Wouldn’t want to waste a lot of time that could be devoted to the living. Okay, so God lives in a time dimension that is outside our own earthly one. When we die our spirits will also be outside of earth’s time/space continuum. Even if we had to be sanctified a lot to become holy enough for God, why would we need to take many earthly years to do so? How do purgatory years apply in God’s eternity? Also, why would they have to? WHAT actually happens? So it’s not just our holiness that is perfected through earthly sanctification. Our faith also is perfected in sanctification, and as an entire chapter in Hebrews says “it is counted to us as righteousness”. Secondly, on earth we learn to wrestle with our three enemies: the world, the flesh and the devil. We won’t have to fight any of those after death, and our righteousness is imparted anyway, because it is just filthy rags, compared to what Christ through the cross imparts to us. Not here to argue, just can’t wrap my head around it. I’m trying as a potential convert.

Jesus didn't go to Heaven that day ("today"). He went up at The Ascension. And the suffering of the thief coupled with his contrition is a purgation in itself. Also, on Baptism, no one knows if he was actually Baptized because Jesus and the Apostles actually did baptize people, and he could have been one of those; w/c explains why he knows so much about what Jesus is about.

I thought you were going to say: Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for mortals to die once, and after that the judgment, I see that one more often. I don't even know why? The verse doesn't say "then heaven or hell".

They put themselves on the cross, but they weren't being crucified, and they weren't present, defending Jesus against the other theif. They also are not living or dying under the old covenant but under the new covenant. This is what happens when you read the bible without any real understanding.

Excellent Video. Very Informative!

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God bless you brother Kenny!!!!😇

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The reason the thief is on the cross is not explained. All you can say is that Roman’s identified him as a thief, but is that charge valid and just? Nor does anyone know the heart of the thief with respect to their sins … which Christ said will dictate how culpable and debt related you are at judgment. If the thief was penitent for his whole life and forgiving of others … God could consider them being worthy of mercy.

In my dream I was taken to a place and I saw about five rows of heads lying on the ground and five rows continued without end there where so many heads on the ground. When stopped on the ground a head spoke to me he said with great difficulty I am your Uncle I can't move from here at that precise moment I could feel what my uncle was feeling he knew had a head but he did not have a body so he could not move from that place. My Uncle said to me please pray for me so I can move from here. The next day I offered my masses and Rosaries for his release. The next night my uncle came to me in a dream he was walking and he said to me that he visited his family in South Africa and my Brother in Mocambique and that my Brother was selling his business and it would be successful I phoned my Brother in Mocambique because I am in Portugal and I asked him if he is selling his business he said he is negotiating the sale of his business two days later my Brother informed me that he had signed the sale of his property. Now being a Roman Catholic I was taught that Purgatory has fire like hell but in my dream it wasn't like that.

The thief on the cross has had his own penance right on his own CROSS! Why suffer again in purgatory? That's double jeopardy.

I bought that book you mentioned and also his book on Sola scriptura. I buy most of my books on Kindle as I did these books. I started reading the book on Sola scriptura yesterday.