Does Yoda Get a Pass for the Jedi's Failure? 

It's low-key in the last council meeting during the Clone Wars finale, but Mace basically shuts Yoda down in so far as Ahsoka being "allowed" to speak further because, in his view, she is a "citizen". Personally, I think Mace threw his clout around a LOT once he got on the council and further stifled them. Heck, when Yoda was getting those visions, he KNEW and didn't hesitate to go around the council's back with Anakin's help cause he knew they (Mace) were NOT going to listen or entertain his argument, so he didn't even bother trying further. When your truly wisest and most empathic council member knows they can't talk to you, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

@@benjaminbierley2074 "Disobeying the council, your expertise is"

My favorite line from yoda comes from one of my least favorite films. "Pass on what you have learned. Strength. Mastery. But weakness, folly, failure also. Yes, failure most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is." Yoda faced a fork in the road after his leadership yielded the end of the Order. Give into his failure, and be suffocated by it, or be ready and one day pass on the lessons his failure reaped. It's debatable how well he did so, but he did choose the latter path. He is a true Jedi, flaws and all.

@@RandomGuy-qg9xf Yoda trained countless Jedi for over 800 years, and you're talking about he had the wrong job. Show yourself outta here. The guy tried Luke to confront Vader, and things played out pretty well when Luke finally followed his advice. Luke rightfully gets a ton of credit for helping Anakin fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One, but that wouldn't be possible if Yoda didn't train him.

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He even admitted in Rebels that he was afraid when the Jedi Order participated in the Clone Wars

Afraid and done nothing, like saying you've high fever but you suffer in silence, so Yoda gets no pass and full blame should be placed on him. He indirectly had a hand in creating Darth Vader.

Think theirs a canon comic where he admitted the Jedi flaw during his initial part of his life on degaba

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Dooku made accurate points with Yoda as Yoda taught Dooku everything he knew and Yoda went against his own teachings.

Mace Windu was such a dick

I’m pretty sure that’s actually true, I remember reading something like that

@@GenerationTech It seems like it. I was deducing that part based on the history you gave in the video. :)

@@simmyjester That was likely one of the major reasons that he spoke, not only with such an odd structure, but also with such unusual inflection, Yoda was fully aware of the authority that he carried, and how it can turn simple statements of fact, into pronouncements of judgment, shutting down the prospect of dialogue about the subject. By speaking in riddles, he turns everything he says into a question.

Yoda died in Return of the Jedi, not Empire Strikes Back.

Hence many of his toxic ideological positions (e.g. "Do, or do not. There is not try") poisoned so many Jedi. Yoda liked order, so he wasn't a fan of individualist Jedi. Nor did he like Jedi who were not on the Council defying the Council. This created a very inward-focused Order. Which was exactly what Palpatine needed. Yoda made the Jedi so predictable that Palpatine could reliably plan around how they would react in specific circumstances. Just consider that, during wartime, when Coruscant was a major target, the Order seemingly had absolutely *no* plans to handle a situation where the Temple came under attack. Even when Mace Windu warned the Council: "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The Dark Side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor." The Council basically just shrugged and seemingly figured that they would deal with that problem if it came up.

Tbh I'd put that one on Obi Wan. It doesn't seem like he ever told the council about the "Tyrannus" that Jango Fett mentioned. From Yoda's perspective, he probably felt some gratitude towards Syfo Dyas for creating the army

@@cloudmaster182 that is true.

@luisemoralesfalcon4716 if he did tell them tho, then yea yoda and the council fucked up not investigating sooner lol

@@cloudmaster182 that is true.

There are soooooo many situations where yoda was so blind to all the stuff going on. Justvthe fact he could be next to palpi and not kno hes sith is crazy talk.... That or yoda is weaker than we thought

To me, that was the biggest plot hole in the prequels.

The obvious answer is, the narrative demanded it. In universe? I would say it is because a war just broke out. Whether they questioned it or not, this army was needed, and so trying to denounce it was the last thing the Republic needed.

I guess because they were arrogant. There’s not really any explanation except being too confident

They answer this in the clone wars series

They just bought the explanation that Sifo Dyus did it and didn’t question it further until the last year of the war

But Yoda is almost never portrayed as cold and detached. He’s like the most emotional of the council even beyond obi wan.

My grandfather loved and still loves all of his dogs, but he’s had dozens over the years. He misses them if you ask, but he doesn't mourn them anymore either. By the end if the week he’s back to normal if one dies. I imagine Yoda is the same.

It was not solely yoda's fault, agreed, but as longest living jedi at the time would have had knowledge of earlier generations of jedi and could have advised accordingly. By the time of the clone wars the jedi had lost site of the "human" side of their members.

@@seanrea550 great way to put it, that is what I believe happened.

​@@seanrea550he had plenty of time to correct issues but didn't

True this is.

Lol clown wars. That actually sounds scarier to be honest

Honestly, what could he have done? Removed the Order from the war halfway through? Completely restructured the Republic military because of visions even other Council members may not have believed? Abandoned his other duties in order to devote all his effort to identifying and destroying the Dark Lord of the Sith? People give Yoda a lot of flack for things he had no real control over. Of course, if he had gotten the Order more involved in politics a couple centuries earlier, they might have been able to prevent much of the corruption that allowed Palpatine to enact his Grand Plan in the first place. And if he had understood Anakin a bit better, he might have been more effective at teaching him healthy emotional regulation, which would have short-circuited his fall to the Dark Side. But it was too late for the first one by Phantom Menace, and probably too late for the second by Attack of the Clones.

He didn't put much stock in visions of the future. "Always in motion, the future is." He was also likely well aware of times where Jedi had acted to stop a future shown in a force vision only to cause the vision to come true or for a worse disaster to occur as a result.

@@karlrovey yeah that's more elucidated in serval Star Trek cause and effect temporal paradoxes. Oh well.

Palpatine proved just how difficult it is to accurately see the future because he saw Luke joining him as his apprentice and the rebellion being squashed, but he still didn't get either one of those results. The legion he sent to Endor's forest moon got crushed by the rebellion and the Ewoks, the rebel fleet destroyed the second Death Star, and Vader ended up throwing him down the reactor shaft.

The Jedi and Yoda clearly realized that there was a larger plan afoot and that they were not in control of their own fate.

That may be the biggest reason to judge Yoda less harshly than we could: he was so used to relying on the Force for insight that when he lost that ability, much of his immense wisdom no longer applied to the world he found himself in. During the Prequels, he was flying blind in a way he had not done for centuries. And we cannot blame him for this, as relying on the Force while he could was undoubtedly the right choice. The mistakes he made were still mistakes, but it is hard to say that he should have seen them coming when he would have if he'd possessed the abilities he had possessed for most of his life--though he really should have foreseen the loss of those abilities, maybe even early enough to stop them. In other words, his real mistakes were made decades before any of the decisions we actually saw him making, and they put him in an unwinnable position.

I also am not aware of Yoda ever feeling like he had mishandled Anakin, but there were several times when he admitted doubt and uncertainty. He didn't understand Anakin's place in the Order or the galaxy, nor did he understand him as a person; he knew that he had to trust the Force to work things out, but had limited ability to see what the Force was doing. And I don't think that Yoda actually meant to tell Anakin that his feelings were invalid and should not exist--I actually think he was trying to give good advice on how to deal with loss (accept that it will happen and that it isn't the end of the world before it occurs, give up the illusion of control, and remember that life continues after death, just not in the same form), and just had no idea how to talk to Anakin, so he said one thing and Anakin heard another. Which doesn't let Yoda off the hook--he should have tried harder to speak to Anakin in a way that he could understand, and also to better understand what Anakin specifically needed (that thing of giving up control is something that Anakin really struggled with, and Yoda should have had a conversation with him about how and why instead of just telling him to do it)--but I think it's important to realize that Yoda was doing the best he could under the circumstances, even if he made some serious mistakes in the process. About your critique of Yoda's passivity, there is a saying about how the wisdom of the wise prevents them from taking action, for they cannot see all ends and know too well the limits of their knowledge and judgment. I completely agree with you on this; more than that, I think I know why Yoda did what he did. He knew that if he disagreed with the Council, at least one of them was wrong, and that it might very well be him. Unable to reliably call on the Force for guidance, he did not trust himself to know when he should trust his own judgment more than that of his fellow Councilors; and since his wisdom was sorely insufficient, he likely felt he had little choice but to hope the the Council was wiser than he. So he chose to err on the side of caution, and err he did.

He admonished masters of being blinded by their egos and power but he let Mace Windu run the Order doing exactly that and failed to recognise the guy he had weekly meetings with was a Sith Lord.

Yoda had millennia of experience. All of that time is during the Rule of Two where the Jedi believed that the Sith were extinct Him being Grandmaster, he does have override authority. He could have said “no, a master he shall be.” He is just as arrogant as Windu.

​@@metroidhunter965Rules exist for a reason. You can't just toss them because someone throws a hissy fit

@@10Tabris01 yet exceptions to the rule exist. Anakin was highly regarded by the whole of the Galaxy as a war hero. Yes, a lot of that was a propaganda campaign by Palps. His training of Ahsoka was proof as well. You could argue that the bombing plot was a demerit, but it was proven to be a framing on her. If you have an employee who does his job well and wants a management position. You can either deny the management promotion like how the Council did, or you can give it to him and retain a valuable employee.

@@metroidhunter965 The title of Master is a bit more than "just" a promotion though, and Anakin did not have the maturity required to take up its responsibilities.

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@@GenerationTech I wzajemnie!

The Revenge of the Sith novelization explained that was bait to get Sidious to do something with Yoda off world, but Mace on hand as the next best thing to Yoda. Anakin was also still on Coruscant and the Jedi thought he could still be relied on to kill a Sith Lord until Mace knew it was Palpatine and no longer trusted Anakin could do what was necessary in a confrontation. That said I think if Mace had trusted Anakin in his confrontation with Palapatine, Anakin would have returned that trust with loyalty and together they could have taken Palpatune alive

@@Trey-dp6tl That is very narrow-minded of Yoda to not even anticipate that the Sith taht has been assailling them with political asymetrical emans for years would move in open light against the Order. The Sith Lord could perfectly have used his influence in the Senate to trigger a vote against the Jedis or blame them for a false-flag attack and the wisdom of Yoda wouldn't have been in the room, just the rashness of Windu and Anakin who are two of the most physically violent Jedis who lightsaber first and ask questions later.

I mean she did die like multiple times from getting stabbed in the back must say something about her awareness

Really? I mean, she brought Fives with her to Coruscant. She could have just left him on Kamino where his brain would be wiped. Also, how is she supposed to know not to trust Palpatine. Yes, she clearly would prefer to send the inhibitor chip and Fives to the Jedi Temple as she was initially instructed instead of sending them to the chancellor, but it’s not like he has really done anything untrustworthy yet. There was the Zillo Beast Incident, but that looked a lot like arrogance and a lack of understanding of nature plenty of people have instead of the secret manipulations of a Sith. This is Palpatine we’re talking about here. He mostly avoids doing things that would even suggest he isn’t the type of person he pretends to be. The longer nobody thinks he’s a threat, the more dangerous he is. And I can’t really blame the Jedi for not believing Fives right away. Besides being injected with a drug that made him act crazy, thus making everyone think that is what happens when the inhibitor chip is removed, he also accuses the chancellor of all people of being the leader of this conspiracy that began the same year he got his position. There wasn’t any evidence at the time suggesting Palpatine had any connections to Kamino before the war. Jedi aren’t gods, they are more like superheroes. And superheroes can be manipulated. Now I’ll grant that they should have done an independent investigation of Fives after his death. There really isn’t any reason I could see Palpatine come up with to stop this. And admittedly they probably should have been in a panic after it was revealed Dooku killed Sifo-Dyas and completed his order to the Kaminoans for the Clone Troopers. I do understand why they stayed quiet as they didn’t want to cause chaos in the Republic. According to some famous artist, the citizens of the Republic were really suffering from war fatigue at the time and the Outer Rim Sieges saved Palpatine by moving the war far from Republic space. Still, I feel Anakin should have told Obi-Wan and Shaak Ti about what Fives said about the chancellor, which would prompt the Jedi to investigate on any relations the two political leaders had. Yes, Anakin has immense faith in Palpatine and likely clung on to him harder after losing Ahsoka, but the fact that the leader of the enemy of the Republic ordered the creation of the army the Jedi lead is just way too concerning.