Don't buy Forza Motorsport: an objective and unbiased review 

It's been almost three months, so I figured I'd write this little update and pin it. Long story short, I'm not getting my money back. The game still doesn't work (I've reinstalled it about seven times at this point, plus trying every other fix I can think of). None of the updates have changed anything. I tried everything I could to get a refund, but no luck. There's something called a "notice of dispute" form you can fill out that's supposed to essentially force them to review your refund request manually, or it opens them up to legal action (to my understanding, anyway, which is very minimal). The 60-day window for them to respond to that passed half a month ago, and I just don't have the energy (or lawyer money) to do anything about it. I did just get an email yesterday, thanking me for my "patience" while my refund request was processed - however, it links back to that same denied refund page I show in the video (with the same denial date and everything) so I think it's just an extremely delayed automated thing for my original refund request. Forza itself, of course, is no help - I even tried submitting another support ticket (entitled something like "Read it this time") and got, nearly word-for-word, the same automatic response. I think it's safe to say at this point that I'll never be able to play the game again, nor will I get my $100 back. It's not like I really need either at this point - I'm not very interested in the game after having been forced away from it for three months now, and I just got my second RU-vid paycheck to make up for the sentimental loss of my first one - but it does really make me angry that I've essentially been cheated out of what I paid for with that much money. So, nothing's changed - I still very strongly think nobody should buy this game. Don't risk your money.

Can game companies please stop calling their currency CP.....

My experience as a GT player, and life long Forza player. - turn on game -practice with wheel, wheel is bad... controller it is -doesnt support PS controller like the last one -buys Xbox controller - grind through builders cup with a car - drive interior cam, let down. Stiff and flat looking. Exterior cam it is then. - eyes water as I "upgrade" it looking at the horrid paint and models - go into photo mode to use the broken and weird camera - dissapointingly save my best attempt -sigh... one more race in builders cup -turn off game Repeat tomorrow. Yupp. Thats Forza Motorsport. Glad it was on game pass because holy shit is it a lazy mess (WHEN it works). For shit sake, at least weather in GT7 is ran on algorithms based on season, location, barometric pressure and more. It gathers in pools, and dries where cars drive with a real time cloud tracking system. It can be raining on one side of a track, and sunny on the other (big ones like Nurburgring). Seeing the real time weather change and move, stars and night sky included is incredible. Can't say the same for FM8, yet.

I got a refund. It's not even close to being built from the ground up and somehow looks worse and runs worse than Forza Horizon 5, at least on PC.

It doesnt have Bathurst Circuit or VR.. So I will stick with the superior GT7 which allows me to sit inside the car instead of playing off of a 2D flatscreen.

Can’t agree more and as such have been steering my customers away from the title, it is a tragedy that as gamers we have got to the point where we accept this as the normal for a game release. Hopefully the sales will drop off fast enough for Microsoft to put pressure on turn 10 to actually fix the game, I’d also like to point out that it only has circuit racing, no drift, no drag despite there being the upgrades for both of these event types it is so blatantly an unfinished game.

"Don't buy" I like the title, too late for me I got "Scammed" but this is unacceptable and should be prevented as far as possible. Good video, you describe well what's wrong in this game, despite of just being a fraction of the problems, really.

I have to admit that I almost pre-ordered the game at one point. Chris Esaki ( lead developer of Forza Motorsport) announced a completely new career mode months ago. As a pure single player, this immediately caught my attention. Then came the disappointment. During the showcase, you could see very clearly that there was little to nothing new in the career. (Except for the upgrade system which, strictly speaking, is not an exclusive feature of the career). In many respects, the career is actually a real step backwards compared to its predecessors, which were already not really good. The fact that you start from scratch with every championship means that you never have a feeling of progress, but rather of stagnation. Then there's the poor track selection. Even in my admittedly few hours of playing, I've already driven many tracks in my career several times. (Without repeating races, mind you). And then there's the fact that there are no events for racing cars in the career. And that in a game called Forza MOTORSPORT...

I used to be an absolute Forza superfan. The first four games are the best. My favorite is FM3 but many prefer the fourth one. All of those were good, solid racing games. This new one is a live service, one of the main reasons I didn't buy it. (Additionally the time-gated content doesn't interest me.) The people responsible for this franchise no longer care. That much is obvious. I have mentioned in comments on other videos that I will no longer be buying Forza games because of they're treatment of the players and their complete ineptitude in even making the games work. Excellent video. I wish Turn 10 and Microsoft were required to watch this one.

I get one multiplayer race before that message pops up until i have to restart the game, you ain't missing much i can say that, most of my time is spent driving in SP hoping that i don't get another infinite loading screen at some point

I could hear the disappointment and regret in your voice near the end of the video

The game is weird inconsistent and just frustrating and awkward. They lied to us about certain things. That graphic that they showed during their presentation on Maple Valley with the grass blades and sunlight shining through the traffic cones is not even in the game. Also how they showed the reflections of that red car reflecting off the black Nissan GTR was very detailed and full, and yet the reflections look nothing like that in the game. Infact the raytraced reflections on cars only shows when another car is very close to another car and it only shows in an inch size window on the car. Very misleading.

I agree with you. The game is in a sad state. As a long time Forza supporter, I've been disappointed in the last few Horizons and Motorsports..

Did you got any extra support after the video or did it ended as it is? From I've seen online, since I don't have the money to buy, fm2023 seems like a ok but flawed game with too many issues to make it worth it.

This game has depression and it rubbed on me. Now I feel depressed after a couple hours of playing it

Wow.....this is insane. Ive been planning on buying an XBox series S this Christmas just to play this game and Forza 5 as well. Seeing your experience really makes me second guess that. I hope the development teams sees this video and personally reaches out to you to help. Great review and video though. Youve definitely earned a sub for your troubles brother 👏👏👏💯🙏🤕

Microsoft's like., "What 100 dollars"😈

Your commentary has gone from awkward stammering to genuinely good in such a short time, keep up the good work dude.

I noticed a big difference in AI corner brake-checking, cranking it up helps the AI drive a little more realistically. You don't win every race but it's far more immersive

Wait is this a always online single player? Only reason I never got GT7 was because I hate online required for single player games.

Thanks, I am happy I did not fall for the urge of getting the newest FM at launch. I purchased the newest version every launch and was let down every time. Only update I remember making my forza experience better was when drifting suspension was released. Still missing good times from FM4 and our private hosted public servers... But at the same time i dont miss all the ramming, broken voting system, forza racing aero, no new track etc.

Sorry to hear about all the issues you had, both in the game and with that aweful support feedback. I’m just curious, did the several updates fix the game for you? Can you at least log back in now? Update 4 released just yesterday.

I watched this video a month or so ago and took particular note of how the game stopped working on you. Just out of curiosity, did you ever get things working and if not, did Microsoft grant you a refund or are you still up the creek as far as being out your money?

The game has a lot of “glitching” on my end and one particular course with the Ferris wheel the pop in was terrible. I have the same issues using my g29 and have been using the controller when that’s not my preferred way to play. I purchased it physically, the one thing this game did for me, was it sold me on gamepass bc had I known I’d find cocoon and vampire survivors was worth it alone.

I refunded this unfinished game. Don’t support single player games that don’t work offline either.

I'm still a sim racing noob and perhaps an outlier but I've really been enjoying the game. Bought it just before recently picking up my first wheel, a Simucube 2 Pro and VNM pedals. The cars feel excellent with a good DD wheel , though FFB is not as detailed as in AMS2 or iRacing. Still more than enough info to get really in tune with the car and keep it right on the edge. I've been practicing with all assists turned off for the first time and noticed my track times improved drastically once I stopped relying on the visual line and brake zone recommendations - which are often far too conservative like in Horizon. And the skills I've developed in this simcade have carried over to more pure sims like AMS and AC. I don't mind the car leveling system, since I'm only focusing on a handful of favorites and not trying to max out every car in the game. Still no crashes, performance issues or glitches in my 17 hours playtime.

Damn you man! LOL....why didn't you release this video a month ago. I too am out of $100 and regret it 100%. No race replay that's grossly broken along with the HORRIBLE crayon chewing rammers makes this a hard pass that I wish I had not purchased! Btw....in reference to the G29 wheel, you would have better results with a DD wheel over a spring/belt based wheel.

That ending.....I can't believe they stole from you like that. You could be liable to sue for that

It runs like complete garbage on my pc. I had rtx3080. I put all the settings on mid and turned everything down. Still horrible pop in. The track disappears. The back ground pops in and out. Wtf Microsoft.

I’m playing on game pass on series x. I am not buying any dlc until I know what it all is. I fully agree with cad leveling taking too long. It should be cut in half at least. Maybe if the paint and tuning bugs are fixed and the game goes on a solid sale next year I might buy it

Xbox game pass. I still feel cheated.

I cannot refund mine either and the tutorial actually takes a good 5-6 hours to complete, meaning most people will have a lot of playtime before they even actually play the game. This game is honestly a scam.

I did have that same connection issue, but it went away after a PC restart. Aside from that, I've had a bunch of bizarre graphics problems. From what I can tell, issues can significantly vary according to different hardware.

I have bugs to,will not save ,apply, sometimes connection.issues ,ive turned in three tickets ,which the say they are working on the issues, also waiting on the November update.

I'm playing via gamepass. I would NOT buy this game right now. The credit system is silly for upgrading. They haven't released any new tracks. There is NO drag racing. The new settings and physics upgrades are better for eliminating understeer.

The proximity arrows are absolutely horrible.. I don’t understand why they didn’t give us a radar to see what’s around us. I find myself using the hood view for online races since there is at least a mirror so I can keep my racing clean. Although it doesn’t matter because everyone else, even the AI slams you off the track. I’ve only found a few races where other drivers were clean. Makes me wish I didn’t sell my PS5, because at least in GT you can find clean races. I guess I’ll just stick to ACC where you have to be a cautious driver to keep your safety rating

I really enjoy this game on my Xbox tbh, i've never had any game braking glitches before,only glitch i had was after rebooting the game with quick resume causing the game to constantly pause, just restarting the game fixed it so im gona keep playing fm8

I'm glad I found this video and this channel. You're funny, even though you're a TERRIBLE AWFUL NO GOOD driver, honestly it's ASTONISHING that they let you behind the wheel of a simulated vehicle! Good commentary, can't wait to see more like it in the future. I am subscribing.

if you wait for the shaders to finish in the background then click on reconnect it will work, it wont connect while its doing the shaders .

I'm really enjoying Forza Motorsport on my Series X and 4K LED TV. So, I glad I did get FM around Christmas time.

Same stuff happened to me. Try logging out of your xbox account and logging back in. It fixed the initial logging in problem.

Forza killed itself, I have played it from V1 on Xboxes and used a wheel/pedals and that was seriously difficult to set up. And there's the f-ing problem, I hoped they would have learned and at least gave it a good try to make it playable for Wheels and Pedals. but they have failed miserably, it not even close to a sim. I have gone PC since 6 months and invested serious money to have a good time on AMS2, rF2, Iracing and well did give Forza a go but it was not anywhere near playable with wheels and pedals. Thanks to Steam for refunding my money. Forza sucks, they have murdered it completely it should be at least close to a sim, and fairly playable with wheels and pedals but it is not. Steam should remove it from their section of racing sims, and warn its is just a game to play with a controller and it is a waste of money for those who want to use it with wheel and pedals just for a little fun driving. At least Steam knows to refund, and I have invested that money into AMS2, and thats fun and worth the money. Now lol, Steam why can't I buy Iracing upgrade packs via you yet? That could make you easy money from me, and I am sure not from me alone LOL

They have to fix the tire wear before they add the nordschlief. It’s a silly system bc the tires should last longer on this game

Great review bro, just subbed

The only suggestion I can give to maybe fix that log on error is open windows settings, go to gaming, then "Xbox Networking" and make sure you can connect to the servers there. NAT type should say "Open", Server Connectivity "Connected". You might have to run it twice to verify, mine always gives an error on the first attempt but reports open the second time. In the old Horizon games this would always keep you from connecting to "Horizon Life", which showed other players driving around the map with you.

Who else is watching this after they bought it😂

Good thing you (the viewer) can just get game pass and play for basically free and make your own opinion Alsp its impossible to be unbiased in a review. It is based on your experience that alone gives this a bias....a better word this is ny honest unfiltered feedback based on my experience

I dont get much time to play. I have been playing since FMS2. Intoducing regulations in 7 made me a better competitor. This new one is great for me. I dont like the ommision of ABC rooms for onnline. Also getting reset after 15-20 minutes of paractice/qualiifying. I do like the game, and will geind while they fix it.

Guys I think he likes superfastmatt

Boy you do have to love when you go to a support site and instead of letting you make a generic ticket for support you have to jump through selecting their predesignated issue categories and sub categories and sub sub sub sub sub categories until you get to a long explainer of what they think is wrong before youve told them. To then be given the option to go into more detail by opening up a new support ticket to be more specific on your issue. All to then respond a week later with an autogenerated generic support solution that covers nothing you selected in the categories and is the support equivalent of suggesting you turn your device off and on again, and to check your router service lights.

My game is also broken but in different ways I emailed support but after so try this email back they closed the ticket whit no fix . I can't believe I got a new Xbox series console just to play this broken mess

Ive had inconsistent performance issues at first but I finally figured it out. For the connection thing, I have it too sometimes (PC) but, if I insist like 5-10 times, it ends up working🤷‍♂️

I'm a streaming peasant on a One S... But god damn do the next gen and pc players need to see this.

I just sent back a G923 because I didn’t like it now I know why 😮 also CAR PG is a good idea but not across the entire game in career mode as the builders cup racing teams etc would be good 👍

I might make a whole video about Forza 8 now because of this video, just because my comment would be too long, the one thing I will put in comment form is, I believe the issue you're experiencing is not having Xbox Live Gold, which I think is utterly scummy to force people into buying to play the game they spent $100 on.

It has share of problems but im enjoying it so far.

You bought a product, you bought it online, I assumed you used a credit card, the product is not what was advertised, it was advertised as a car racing game, you got menu navigator with a car racing intro, do a charge back on your CC, 100%. That is what credit cards are for. You paid GOOD money, i would be fucking pissed if i spent 50 bucks on a game and it wouldn't work, can't imagine how you feel spending your whole first youtube pay check on a menu navigator experience. Do a charge back on your CC. It hurts microsoft and shows them this type of behavior isn't okay.

Did you ever get it working or get your money back?

Whats really messed up is the only reason i got my refund was because of Australia consumer law so if i lived in america (like most of their customers) id be shit out of luck. Its really scummy that theyre selling a game in this state and are not allowing refunds

I'm out 99$ as well

I'm giving Turn 10 a chance. Time will tell if I buy another Forza Motorsport game after Motorsport 8

I waited unit MAY 2024, giving the game time to get updates, bug fixes, more content. I’ve played most of the Motorsports, Horizons, GT. The current Motorsport gets boring in about 6 hours….and that’s AFTER the update that fixed the disastrous car leveling issue. The game is just boring. Boring sounds, mostly boring tracks, VERY boring career mode. Motorsport 7 is still a favorite. The difference in graphics is MINIMAL. LOVE tracks like Prague & Rio. The PI system seems a bit off considering you can upgrade most cars to fully tunable race suspensions, drivetrains, etc for about the PI cost of an exhaust upgrade.

You need to upgrade Suspension to RACE ASAP. And look up some good settings.

I bought the game with xbox account, I hate subscription services too ! Not the premium though, I baought the 70€ version - My PC is far below the minimum required (I get a warning message at launch) and I knew that before I bought it, I was planning to upgrade anyway.... and... all settings to "LOW", it works.... I get 36-42 fps 🤣😁- I got some connection problems too, but didn't last long, and I kind of enjoy it ! But if I encountered the same problem as you, I'd email the support every day, opening a new ticket each time, until I get an answe which makes sense - Maybe there are not many people who have the same issue, but I'm pretty sure you're not alone, it would be interesting to know how many - Good luck !

did you try reinstall it?

Guarantee that 99% of the people throwing shade about driving standards also can't drive for toffee.

Thats why they say go thrustmaster

Only reason i would, is to drive cars not in gt7

I didn’t have any of the issues you experienced which doesn’t make the situation any better but that game still belongs in any racing sim collection.

For once it was nice to have the gamepass…

Best Forza Motorsport was 4 on XBox 360.. To be honest though Horizon series are sh*t too

I want this game so bad, but I don't know if the game is worth it or not.

I would play grand trismo 7 if I were you. And I thought Forza motorsport 6 was the best one Give that one a try.

I’m glad I have game pass. If I’d bought this outright I’d feel gutted. It just doesn’t work for me. I had the original Forza and Forza 2 back in the day and loved those games. I then went to PS and got into GT. Last GT I played was 6 but that felt so good. There’s just something about the car handing that doesn’t gell. Also online racing in GT was good, you’re paired with people of a similar skill level / safety rating - in Forza? Yeah right. If you’re not rammed off in first corner you’re lucky (and then odds on you get a penalty for it too). The graphics too are hit and miss, on occasion it looks stunning but most of the time dull and flat. Don’t know how they messed up so badly. Horizon looks brilliant all the time and whilst being Arcady (I prefer sim) is a way better game. It definitely needs a huge over haul.

i cant play it on controller, i have a G920 and it feels great heaps better then any other forza ive played on the wheel thats my personal experience

Heard alot about the game crashing or freezing. But not being able to connect entirely is kinda odd. Still, your experience doesn't warrant telling people not to buy the game. Others are enjoying the game and not having game breaking issues.

Ive seen the videos reviewing the graphics vs GT7 but for anyone that has played both...which game has the overall more fun driving experience? GT7 is in my personal doghouse for that microtransaction crap they pulled last year and ive tried playing Assetto Corsa but its too rigid and difficult for me to see myself having fun with. What do you guys suggest if not for Forza or GT7?

This has been an issue with forza for years. Most the time you have to change your nat type n flush your dns using command prompt. N some other bs. You'll have no trouble finding walk throughs online.

It's true, I've got a dd1 with v2 and this is the most unnatural driving game I've ever played.

I was torn between waiting for this and getting The Crew Motorfest, I got Motorfest and I do not regret it.

It's a modern Microsoft product, do you really expect a enough bug-free experience without any annoyance such as being always online, or being complete? This is Microsoft we're talking about, it doesn't have quality control (in other much more important products such as Windows)

CSL DD Wheel works great. But infinite loading screen is a game breaker.

Thanx for the upload 👍👍👍

Still not buying it. Even at 50% discount. This is one of those games that is not even worth pirating.

Bought it in 3. 24 Love it 8,5/10

That's a pity nobody told you that livery is available anytime.

How does Honda make a great looking civic type r in 2020 then make an ugly civic in two years. What were they thinking lol

Im surprised you played with an always on centering spring for that long and thought nothing was broken... like having your wheel forcefully return to center like that is not normal

Mustang meme included.

hard earned youtube money gave you a sub ;)

you an I had very different experiences with their AI haha I felt it was their big weak point

I love Kyalami as well.

There is no other game like this with living online on pc

I wish I never bought the game. On series X it crashed multiple times per hour. Online racing is an absolute joke. I went back to playing Forza 7.

Question why do u hate game pass? Xbox live is $10 a month game pass is $15 and includes live so it’s only $5 a month more. I recently play forza and starfield each $60 plus but free on game pass

It is buggy alright and the mp sucks But it's still kinda fun, patches please 🙏

yo bro wanna play fm7? We are going to use widebody kit cars... Shure bro give me 4 hours and we will play🤣🤣

Dont buy, Gamepass it... buy if you like, what a concept...

I got it on game pass

Try reloging in your ms account before launching game