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This is extremely helpful. I've been very curious about this exact scenario. Surely makes me angry that certain folks in the industry are using copyright law in such a predatory way against artists playing the same game they are.
Very useful info. I'm glad I saw this. I started off as a DJ doing back cues with loops and scratches. When I transitioned to making beats I naturally started using samples and then eventually learned how to play keyboard. So now, I'm able to hop on a keyboard and make my own melodies and chords, but I won't let these fraudulent copyright lawsuit chasers deter me from using "ROYALTY-FREE" samples. That's an optional resource for inspiration or just to get a jump start on creating something. But at the same time, I'm definitely chopping, altering, pitching and rearranging the bejesus out of that sample according to what my beat requires and to avoid legal issues. At the end of the day, it is still creating something as long as you're not just ripping a loop off of a site and using it as is.
When I do sound effects jobs, the mantra is that, if you didn't record the sound yourself, you need to modify or stack it in a way that it's not recognizable to something else. Hell, even what you recorded probably isn't a great sound in its raw form, anyway. I'm experimenting with my very large collection of sound effects, and doing this, as well. And it's quicker to find something close and tweak it to work in your own track.
In Jazz, people are celebrating using famous licks or using whole compositions over and over again like rhythm changes ... meanwhile in production world divas are using the law against fellow musicians because of some teenage-level hooks and loops. There should be law firms filled with musicians with law degrees.
The reason this doesn't matter so much is because any loop can pretty much be recreated from scratch and time stamped in your daw with track counts, synths and documentation to support your original work. It's like doing mashups or cover tunes. You are fear mongering to people who are not looking to labels in an old music industry. There is so much fun in experimenting with loops and synthesizers. No one has SUPER ears!!!
Ok lets sue splice and similar sites for false advertising , these sites are complicit in misleading the market. either these sounds are royalty free or they are not. if the original creators sold the rights to these sites to use these sounds we can sue them as well.
I don’t think it’s Splice’s fault. What should actually happen is that the courts should automatically throw these types of cases out. You want to sue over a sample/loop that literally says it’s royalty free? GET OUT OF MY COURT.
I like that Jesse isn't afraid to voice his opinion on these sites. Ever listen to a politician when asked a question? Every answer is sit on the fence , I'm not saying and I'm not saying nonsense. Very refreshing to hear an honest opinion on how the licence agreements should be made clear to site visitors. But i do think I'll stick to making my own music. Presets I'll use for sure as I'm very new to synths and wouldn't really know how to make my own. But regarding what notes i hit on the keyboard? I'll figure out my own riffs etc.
Hey jesse, what about using an already crafted loop, and chopping it up, and reassembling it? I suppose you would not be able to provide stems, so perhaps maybe creating your own sample out of individual elements? Then using that sample you create yourself to chop up and manipulate. You would still be using some elements that had melodic qualities, but you would be altering them in such a way that would make them unrecognizable when combined with the other elements, then manipulated again etc.
I pay Splice, still if its RF....Damn now i think these kind of companys are a scandal....i am glad i make most of my music without these loops or samples....I dont wanna get sued so i am gonna stop with these companys paying them because its not worth the money. Jessie you're right! Thank you for this video bro!
@Mark Austin Yeah man so many people are just starting out, they don't want to learn. People want fast food and fast music. I've learned a valuable lesson from prince and Lionel Richie that I will never forget and that is to create what you love on your time so there is no stress in the process of creating top quality music that needs time to be perfect according to the artist producing the original material. I have become more dynamic than ever before simply because I've made enough mistakes taking the hard long road but it's much more satisfying knowing that I can be put on the spot anywhere at any time and create a masterpiece.
Has a legal precedent been set on how this type of litigation is adjudicated yet? I would hope by now that courts decided they’re not hearing these cases anymore.
So, what you're saying, is if you're planning to use Splice or Loopcloud, etc. just for Vocal Verses & or Hooks, then I shouldn't bother. Vocals is all I need, everything else I write and play live and compose with my own Sound Designs...... That Sucks....
Really good video. You answered a question I was curious about, which is using drum loops. I think as long as I add another drum pattern and other sounds to it etc, I should be fine. Thanks for this!
This is a great tutorial as I use splice all the time. Thankfully I don't use melodic loops, just drums and 99%of the time they are only one shots. I make my own rhythms being a drummer.
It's not splice or arcade. It's these greedy entertainment lawyers that go after the small guy. They know that their producer took these Loops off of the same websites. They just want the picK on the small guy especially if your song goes viral; they want to give you a hard time because they know you don't have the money to hire a lawyer and fight back that's all that is. Record labels are real meticulous about knowing where the samples that producers use come from, and it's noted in the paperwork. They are just greedy evil individuals.
I used a splice loop as is, got claimed by another video that content ID’d their song. I put in a dispute through RU-vid. Let’s see what happens. I know for a fact I’m in the right wanting that claim off of my song
Lol. Maybe these artists and Big Labels should be clarifying with the producers whether or not there is any licensed loops in there. Ya it can be headache for producers but it's also looks horrible on the artists and labels trying to sue or control a melody or loop that they can't legally copyright. Also could see it going the opposite way. Some independent producer having a track released that isn't widely seen and then a label/artist posting a song with the same loop. I think splice should implement something like a contract with your info loaded into it when you download a Loop on Splice including Name of the loop and a Id number. That way should you receive a letter or a lawsuit you download the contract and you send that off to their lawyer and tell them to think twice.
I've had a few situations where more than 1 Syndicate member used the same Splice loop for one of my licensing opportunities. It hasn't been a huge issue though.
In my very first instrumental that I composed, 3 years ago, the intro is an Apple Loop. The funny thing is that one day, while watching tv, the trailer for the HBO show "The Deuce" came on, and the intro to the trailer music was the EXACT same Apple Loop that I used in my instrumental.
The KARRA samples on your screen were just used all through a Grammy nominated album, and I can promise you no one infringed anything, neither did any of the smaller artists that have used my samples over the last 3 years. This is 20 minutes of false information.
I think you misunderstood my video. I am NOT saying that producers who use these loops infringe upon ANY rights or that the original creators of these packs (you, for example) are suing the users. What's been happening is that artists/producers who use these kinds of melodic loops are sending their tracks to the Library of Congress and then "copy striking" other producers who used the same loops. These are the kinds of frivolous lawsuits and legal demands that can tie them up in legal "hell" for months. I'm just trying to steer my followers away from legal problems. If you'd to chat further about this, email me at jesse@syncmymusic.com
100% agree, this video is just fear mongering. "samples are branding" yeah good luck getting them to see it as that in court, especially when the sample creator is allowing ANYONE to use that "brand". The Splice agreement covers everyone.
@@Silver_Town_Music But the Splice agreement didn't stop my friend from having to spend lots of time and money defending a nonsense C&D: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sEnlv1wqx_g.html (Call this video whatever you'd like - just don't be ignorant of what's going on out there)
Dude stop it. You're giving alot of misinformation while hurting peoples pockets on platforms like splice. This whole thing about use this sample and not that sample is not how the tech works. ANY sample you use can be recognized, whether you pitch shift, chop up, use a sampler etc. Any good lawyer can shut down any frivolous claim, C&D, with obvious purchases from splice. Splice's use of terms are so tight if a lawyer tries to make a claim they would be liable for damages. Then federally liable if they did file for copyright. The sample creator, splice, library of congress, and the defendant vs Frivolous
Jesse, what about cinematic loop phrases such as action strikes, action strings, ..etc? ... I am always trying to change the tone of these phrases by playing with its built-in mixers or using external plugins. These loops are really helping me to finish projects very fast in short deadlines.
so u means to say we canot use the melody loops from splice? bro the sellers , th owner of loops are selling me to use it for production how someone else come and ask me for moey? so you mena to say splice people are making fool use here?
He’s saying you can’t add them to your project and submit them for sync. Those loops have their place as they are still royalty free. They can still be manipulated and altered to make them more original. But you can’t consider it an original composition as long as someone can claim a piece of your track. Just make sure the majority of your music is original and use loops as background or chop them beyond recognition and you won’t face these problems. Just be creative.
I have a question I cannot seem to figure out. Consider the Following : I find a loop sample on splice. I am only wanting to loop it and use it for freestyle(rap) sessions. I may post videos via RU-vid, however, I am not packaging and/or selling the tracks for profits. I am Just using as a tool to bring traffic to my RU-vid page. I do have merchandise I sell on my RU-vid channels, but this has nothing to do with the loop sample. Do you think this would run any risk of legal issues?
So really these sample sites shouldn’t really promote these types of samples tbh. Also I play a lot of my own melodies, chords, bass what’s to say if what I play is almost exactly like a sample I’ve never heard?
There's always a risk of infringement when we create original music. As long as you're mindful of these issues you can avoid most legal problems (I've never had any CR issues in my 12 years in this biz)
Books on copyright law will tell you that it is never copyright infringement to create an original work that is a product of your own creative inspiration, even if it coincidentally resembles something previously released. But practically speaking, what really matters is whether a judge or a jury (of non-musicians who can be swayed by good lawyering) will think it more likely that you created it yourself or you copied from some other guy. There is always a low level of risk of being found guilty of "infringement" (even when you made it yourself and any resemblances are purely coincidental). The good news is that filing a lawsuit is an expensive and time consuming procedure, which is why copyright trolling typically affects only the biggest stars who make many millions of dollars from a single song. The possibility of getting a massive multi-million dollar award for damages makes the calculated gamble of filing a lawsuit and the risk of losing worthwhile. If you make only hundreds or thousands of dollars on a song, it's extremely unlikely anyone will bother going after you. This is one advantage of being a small artist; you can fly under the radar when it comes to these sorts of things.
@@photios4779 however, they may lose but it could run you into the hundreds of thousands in legal fees to fight it. I have a friend who spent $250k defending a tiny misunderstanding which after all was said and done, he had to write the other person a check for $150.00. It’s not so cut and dry as you’re making it.
I think relying on loopes is pretty lame, not saying you should never use one, but I see young artists signing up to Splice, let’s like eating on your music at McDonald’s - not cooking your own. You should aspire to be an artistic other people sample… when I started there was no Splice, We came up with our own
I do Rock music...Self Produced. I play everything on there except drums. I certainly hope Drum Tracks are not going to be a problem I paid good money for large libraries of Drum Loops. Just had a track declined by RU-vid Content ID, no reason given I am guessing because there was a catchy little Oriental Flute Riff, I converted to midi, then pushed thru a couple Kontact instruments to use as an intro to my guitar solo. The original was EXTREMELY high pitched and I took the edge off. This is aggravating, We (everyone else out there) paid money to use these loop packs under the Royalty Free lic. If no one stands up and is willing to go to court over this, the snakes and shysters' will only make it worse. Some of the other stuff I do for the fun of making cool vids and stuff has a lot more loops I never intended for them to be released, even so I won't back down and let someone steal my right to use what I paid for.
It almost seems like these loop , vocal and melodic sites are court Baiters? And the producers are the prey for lawsuits? Now drum hits are "very safe"
Here's what i don't get. The people who are taking loops from Splice, for example, know they are taking loops from Splice and know the terms. So why are they taking a loop that anyone can take and then if someone else takes the same loop claiming it's their loop? They know it's not their loop because they took it from Splice!
I know I’m 2 years late but lol I’m new to the loop game just got put on it really I know tons of producers that use loops and nothing happened one even produced for lil boosie/gorilla Zoe using loops and nothing happened but the point is why do we use pay these companies for loops if we are just going to get suied they should go after they company’s not the artists/ producers its millions of loops out here being sold
Useful information ESPECIALLY in regards to sync. Been contemplating one of my tracks that has a splice sample. It's a small vocal intro repeated a few times in the first few bars and end of song only. The rest of the work - topline, instrumentation, production, vocals, harmonies, layering, etc are all original. Would it still be worth pitching to music supervisors/libraries? If worst comes to worst they can use the instrumental and replace that intro completely? Would like some clarity on the matter. Thanks again for answering such niche questions :D
Using any vocal sample unaltered puts you at risk of ridiculous lawsuits. I'm not going to say you should or shouldn't pitch it - just know the risks involved.
What about sample libraries that come with East West or Native Instruments soft synths, samplers? Or any soft synth for that matter? Some of their stuff is melodic loops. Also their drum loops?
@@SyncMyMusic what if i download melodic loop from splice, then transcribe it to midi, pitch-shift and apply different patch from a synth? So at the end result, I will have the same melody but in another scale and played with my own combination of presets. What the probability to get a copyright claim with this method in your opinion?? P.S. And BTW i'm talking about Content ID and all the automatic recognition stuff. Will they recognize these tweaks? I'm not talking about somebody who can hear the melody a year after the track will be released
Hey Jesse! Is it possible to turn those vocal samples on Splice to one-shots and creating my own sequences and textures? You possibly may have said something about that in the video but I just wanted to make sure. Seems samples and midis on these sites need to be flipped completely to my own originality.
hi,thank you for the video,its very helpful .Ihave a qustion about Drummer in Logic.Does using drummer patterns are considered as a loops use?Does layering different drum instruments of the different drum kits in Drummer templates could be considered as loop use from the library?
@@SyncMyMusic That's totally right, but that case is in a totally different realm than what you talk about in your video. That woman was in perfectly legal standing to sue McDonalds since getting burned by hot coffee counts as bodily harm.
Big thanks for this Jesse, I have to ask what is the point of Splice if its not to hosting loops and samples for producers to use in their audio pieces - I have to pay money for credits to download what is being hosted, only to be told you could be sued if you use the samples and loops in your audios, why are these artists up loading their works to Splice if its not for the the use of by audio producers/directors .... I don't understand it sounds like entrapment to me!
From what i can make out, Producer A take a sound from Splice and makes a song with it. Producer B takes the exact same sample and makes a song from it. Producer A then claims that producer B stole their work. Which is absolute BS because they both have the exact same license! They're both equally entitled to use the sample. What i don't understand/like is the fact that producer A thinks it's ok to file a copywrite claim when they know they took the sample from Splice in the first place! That's the issue for me.
Because the distributor has already placed a disclaimer that the samples/loops are royalty free, period. The problem is the people who are actually suing.
Can I take the vocal phrases and layer them with my vocals or entirely re-record them using my own vocals and then copy the way sfx or EQ was used to get it to sound similar to the original?
Why go through all that trouble to use the same lyrics/melodies? If you're gonna put the work in, might as well create an original melody that will keep you out of CR infringement territory altogether.
It's better to just create original melodies to keep yourself out of legal trouble. You can certain base your melodies off of a loop you like, but make sure it's significantly different enough.
So please let me ask you guys something if you take a melody or should I say a sample from splice but then you get in contact with those who originally made the sample and they say it’s royalty free how does that work out if anybody could get back to me that would be wonderful thank you 🙏🏾
Everything from Splice is royalty free, but that doesn't prevent other artists from throwing frivolous lawsuits at producers (which waste our time and money).
Question ,I had purchased on Ebay from a seller who posted there that all wave files and loops are 100% free royalty and I can re use them for my singles that I want to publish in cdbaby. Basically its just percussions, as one hit and also loops all together like shaker, conga all together as a loop but I made my own melodies with piano, bass and saxophone and plus I wrote my own lyrics and sing too ,so I'm trying to make sure by contacting the seller again if he doesn't care about claiming any work he's done that he sells online for a one time payment. Like I said he posted that it can be used for anything and us as buyers not to worried, i can use a word of an advice please and thank you.
That could potentially be very risky. Anyone can sell loops/samples on eBay and claim they own the sounds and can grant you permission to use them. Personally I wouldn't buy loops from anyone other than an established company that's been around for at least a couple of years.
