Double Shard Reveals?!? | The Way Of Kings Ch 42 - Int 9 | Cosmere | Nerdy Wordy Book Club 

Nerdy seems to want the destination and no journey 😂😂

I've never read Jasnah as being dismissive of Shallan's stance on her actions. She hears that the point is well reasoned and well put together and respects that even as she disagrees. Honestly a pretty healthy reaction compared to most alternatives.

What Jasnah did was absolutely a form of entrapment, which is illegal under modern law. At the same time she was acting in self defense once they were attacked. She was absolutely justified to defend herself in that situation but also in the wrong in intentionally creating the situation. It can, in fact, be both.

The plot moves, but this part is about mental issues and depression. How hard it is to overcome it, and how it is a process. Not just one moment of clarity.

It’s so funny how different me and Nerdy(and a lot of other readers) view the book. I always felt like a ton of stuff was happening. I was very bored by Dalinar, and yet I found Kaladin and Shallan to a lesser extent fascinated

I dont understand why nerdy is willing to just buy that the people in the alley are thieves because they said they were but aren't believing they are murderers when the evidence is the exact same. Would you find it more acceptable if she had waited above the alley to watch them kill someone before jumping in because you would have seen them kill someone on screen instead of just being told they did by the person who is giving all the information? Interesting lines to draw

You're not a character reader. It's ok. Not everyone is. Just don't think it's an objective criticism. Don't hold TV and Books to different standards. I mean, personal preference is fine, but perhaps it's just too slow and character focused for YOU to be able to appreciate.

These books have some very immersive depictions of depression and neurodivergent stuff. Nothing wrong with responding to feeling that. I hope you end up liking it more as it moves forward Nerdy! I think the lows are worth the highs, but they are rough to get through sometimes.

Never felt the sadness of this book, but I have seen others share that it bothers them in a similar way to how you describe.

"Kaladin is not curious about fucking anything!" What or who do you want him to be curious about fucking? Rock? He isn't into stinky bridgemen.

I guess I've been the top comment on a few videos; some of which were pretty critical. But the tone of book club has been easier to digest over the last two even if you don't love everything. The arguments felt like they were getting tense in ways that left me actually angry for a few weeks, but it seems like you've put some emphasis into the tone that is helping me. I've been thinking about the demographic split between people who really like to participate in chat and those that consume things mostly in blocks and then say something at the end, and if there's a difference in appreciation for this kinda format for people that are more used to streaming. Probably. Brains are weird. No one is going to fault you for getting bummed out in the middle of this book. See you next week.

55:00 Nerdy seems unable to separate legal proof beyond a reasonable doubt vs. a reasonable belief. Are they proven murderers? No. If I had to stake my life on whether or not they'd murdered before given the circumstances, I'd bet yes. Jasnah does not have the right to act as executioner of suspected dangerous criminals. She absolutely believes them to be murderers and is probably right.

As someone born and raised to rule in some capacity Jasnah understands the weight of responsibility and risking doing the wrong thing. She makes a decision based on all of the facts she has available. What isn't stated but can be reasonably taken into account is that criminals are territorial. Lots of people, had already been robbed and murdered in that alley and the criminals who did it would not allow others (especially lesser criminals) to encroach on their territory. Those men got unalived because they chose to attack Jasnah, and with one of them being left behind as a reminder, it's not going to happen again in that alley anytime soon.

Can I just say that “What is that void? I refuse.” is one of the funniest things Clarus has *ever* said 😂🙌🏻😂

"I am Plot, destroyer of worlds."- Nerdy, probably

I can definitely see where Nerdy is coming from, even tho I had the opposite experience. After Wheel of Time, Mistborn was the first series I read from Brandon Sanderson and ngl, I was disappointed. That series felt like it was just PLOT. We were jumping from one thing to the next, we never got to sit and be with our characters and just exist in the world. So I was so relieved when I read Way of Kings where it so much more felt like this was a real place with real people. The characters (maybe even especially Shallan) are so much more realized and complex than anything in Mistborn. I do love that series too, so this is not me hating on it, but lets be honest, basically all the characters in there are some form of fantasy stereotype.

Honestly, there's still, to this day, no point in recorded human history in which slavery hasn't existed.

Whoa, did not realise there was going to be an Uglies movie. Would absolutely tune in for any amount of book club on that series, loved those books

I said it on one of the reactions but ill say it here aswell. I would love to see Nerdy read somthing like Malazan or The First Law where the plot takes a backseat and the characters are the main focus.

I always find it hilariously ironic when they go on a side tangent for 30 minutes about pacing. Also, I'm here for it. 😀

This series was my first Brando Sando and I feel you. It's dark. KEEP GOING. AND THEN READ ALL THE OTHER 10,000 BRANDO SANDO books. It's not a problem. It's not a bug, it's a feature that all the audio books are 65 hours long. ONE OF US. ONE OF US. (I love this book and I'm so glad you're here).

Shadesmar/ Cognitive Realm is A LOT more confusing for you right now cuz you didn't read Mistborn: Secret History before this book.

Fred Saberhagen wrote "The Book of Swords"; Neil Gaiman wrote "The Books of Magic"; Brandon Sanderson writes here "The Book of Setup".

These books can feel very attritional but if you view it as a 5 book arc then you can work through it if you trust that the author has an overall story to tell.

Calling the recreance the reacharound killed me😂

I get you don’t like reading about slavery, but slavery is literally through all of human history. To ignore it in adult fiction just seems like wishful thinking. How do we learn from past mistakes without addressing them?

Watching the playback post WotCon 😊

Is there a link to the reaction ?

This book really doesn't have a sense of plot for the first 3/4th of this book. I don't see why people argue this. I and many other had no idea where this book was going until "that" moment and it all clicks. There was a plot, and it all makes sense. But there was no way for a reader to discern it all at that point. That doesn't mean its a bad book. I was completely enthralled the entire time and couldn't get enough. I think it is my favorite book of the series. But yes, you do not have any indication of the plot until that big moment. But Clarus is right. This book is basically setting up the worldbuilding and main characters for the 5/10 book series. I think a lot of the criticisms of Shallan's early chapters not being interesting are due to the fact that she is mainly used in her teachings, along with the interludes, to do a majority of the worldbuilding. But you will get your "high" moment soon. From then on I think its full action and you know where the plot is going the entire time. After reading the series, or even just the next book, you really look back and appreciate all the things Way of Kings did. It had so much to do and it executed it near flawlessly. It's truly a fantastic series. And it's just as much philosophical as it is an epic fantasy.

For a change, i mostly agree with your criticism (well, except the whole slavery thing you really let overshadow everything else). It is depressing, and it's not a fun read. I really struggle with books like these. It's the same reason i don't like grimdark. But it gets better. Haven't seen today's stream yet, but i believe it should get better for you as well. And I think I can safely say the next books aren't structured this way.

Please get to going over what happened in the book and inject what you think about it when it comes up.... Also, just let the whole thing go about killing the muggers was murder. They we're 100% attempted murderers, so. Hour in have yet to start 1st chapter....

For sure you're reading to many comments Nerdy!! I love you and Claroos opinions and insights good and bad. Its been super fun reading with you guys!! You two rock!!

In chapter 48 titled Strawberry Jashnah agrees to eat some bread. " The bread was moist and delicious, though Jashnah grimaced as she put hers in her mouth and chewed it." Just some food for thought.

The questions you are asking... The insights and criticisms you have about the world in this book, and of the characters shown..., makes me so excited for you to progress through this series. Will the book rise to the challenge and answer your questions? Will the characters win you over or fail you leaving bitter disappointment. Perhaps mixed complicated feelings? Keep reacting analyzing, and thinking as you have been. This was a really good episode. Also is math really math? :p

Ngl, this entire book is all set up. Even after finishing it I didn’t know what/where the series overarching plot was/is headed. That’s not till book 2. I do love the characters and end though. It’s crazy how boring Shallan is in book one, her sections are basically World Building 101 classes.

I do agree with nerdy on the slavery points. Of course you're allowed to write about slavery, but when it becomes a constant theme that just gets depressing and unimaginative.

Man, I would love for these two to read Worm. I would be very interested to see what they would think of the protagonist. That being said, I found this book really boring. But I finished it, and I'm glad I did because the next book is one of my top 5 favorite books.