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Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)
Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
@@TS-zd2ud then what does it mean? Everyone takes Christ as god’s son. Y’all be changing y’all’s theology just to try to prove us wrong. Try again and stop hitting everywhere
@@TS-zd2ud Jesus is the Son of God according to Christianity with a capital S for son. Meaning he is stated as His BEGOTTEN son in your own scriptures. The same word used for other persons is understood as son instead of Son. See the contradiction here?
Mashallah Rami thank you for this insightful and fruitful discussion with Dr. Macdonald. I am a new Muslim of about nine months and just participated in Ramadan for the first time in my life in March and April. May Allah bless and reward you for your videos such as this. Jazakallah Khair.
*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Intro 00:11 - Introduction 00:21 - Background of Dr. Dennis MacDonald 01:05 - Literary Mimesis explained 10:41 - Usage of Mimesis in the Gospels 14:30 - "Synopses of Epic, Tragedy and the Gospels" 16:05 - Need of Interfaith Dialogues 17:29 - How the Gospel Authors use Mimesis 21:58 - Historical Fact vs Truth 22:56 - Passion Narrative in the Gospels 24:07 - Mimesis of Odysseus' anointment used for Jesus 27:54 - Christians being oblivious to literary mimesis in the Gospels 31:06 - Order of the writing of the Gospels 32:17 - Gospel of John vs the Synoptic Gospels 35:57 - Parallels b/w Dionysus & Jesus in John's Gospel 37:22 - Did people at the time of Jesus understand the parallels? 38:59 - Why don't Christian Scholars recognise the mimesis? 42:05 - Parallels b/w Jesus & other Dying/Rising Deities 43:13 - Omophagia vs Eating of Jesus' flesh & blood 44:53 - Summary of Mimesis used in the Gospels 46:12 - Paul's Influence on the Gospel Authors 48:39 - Literary Mimesis in the Conversion of Paul 50:59 - Truth about Paul's Conversion 52:10 - Did Paul ever meet Jesus? 52:23 - Did Paul witness the Crucifixion? 52:27 - Was Paul influenced by Hellenistic Philosophy? 53:11 - Luke's Portrayal of Paul 54:19 - Was Paul a Cynic Philosopher? 56:02 - Did Paul believe in the Trinity? 57:44 - Who told Paul about the Crucifixion? 59:32 - Sources for Paul's Theology in Galatians 1? 1:06:14 - Emphasis on the Crucifixion of Jesus 1:07:10 - Did People disagree with Paul on the Crucifixion? 1:07:48 - Diversity vs Homogeneity of Theology in Religions 1:11:56 - What's the Gospel of Q? 1:15:21 - Truth about Pilate's Pardoning of Jesus Barabbas 1:18:15 - Reality of Judas, Simon of Sirene & Simon Peter 1:21:18 - Islamic View of Jesus pbuh 1:24:17 - Islamic View of Jesus' Crucifixion 1:25:10 - Historical Conjecture around Jesus 1:25:54 - Dr. Dennis on the Abrahamic Religions & Jesus 1:29:39 - Closing Statements 1:30:25 - Epilogue 1:30:39 - The Rigidity & Flexibility of the Shariah 1:32:59 - Islamic vs Historic view of Crucifixion 1:33:49 - Importance of Dr. Dennis' Work 1:34:21 - Conclusion SubhanAllah ❤️💛💙 Marvelous Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
What !! This guy is a joke and lied throughout. There's absolutely no evidence for this guy's statements. This is yet another money making hack . Writing anything against the christian faith makes huge money.
@@MartinRamsbottom-mr9qfno one cares about christianity anymore😅 What sells now is islamophobe propaganda, the algorithm goes crazy with "ex-muslim", "islamic terrorism" and other propaganda bs made to demonize muslims... So stop playing the victim card😅 People are leaving your pagan✝️ cult to embrace Islam even after all the lies that pagans like you and western liberals/seculars have spread about islam. TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL!☝🏼
Thank you Rami, this was a good interview. I hope The3Muslims do more content like this. I stopped paying attention to the channel a while ago when the content started being a lot about reactions and silly thumbnails. I know that helped in creating a relatively large following. But it's really not my coup of tea. I came back today and found this interview, it was really interesting. It would be even better if it was longer.
This interview is epic in the history of your presentations. The content is so valuable and you definitely kicked it up a notch. Congratulations and please do more of this type in the future.
Brother I watched the whole thing and was captivated all the way through, never had I ever connected Greek mythology and storytelling with the Bible, but after hearing this i'm astonished at how I hadn't done this before, Greek being one of the main languages the Bible was translated in! Truly facepalmed..... being a fan of both Greek mythology and religion this is truly something amazing for me to discover! I love the way you conducted the interview and your enthusiasm throughout! Hope inshAllah you get more guests as the esteemed Dr and you get even better at this InshAllah!
Wow this is a great approach. Allowing experts to speak taking it back to basic epistemology, unlike alot of detractors of Islam who downplay the opinions of scholars and experts as a source of knowledge
This video has to be the most insightful video I have watched in a loong while! Thank you so much Rami for the initiative. May Allah reward you for your efforts!
This is probably the most engaging video I have seen on the origin/composition of the NT. So interesting and also of critical importance. And this is the first time I have heard of mimesis. I was thinking about the similarities between Paul's religion and the cult of Osiris... And I was wondering how similar the NT Jesus is to Dionysus and I end up coming across this video. Alhamdulillah!
I like how u both communicate with respect and understanding, both are interested in the topic and tryin to make the viewer understand in a good way. This soften my heart a bit
World famous author, Leo Tolstoy said: “Muhammad has always been standing higher than the Christianity. He does not consider god as a human being and never makes himself equal to God. Muslims worship nothing except God and Muhammad is his Messenger. There is no any mystery and secret in it. The law of the Qur’an will prevail in the world because it agrees with reason and wisdom. I have come to understand that humanity needs only a Divine law to establish the truth and destroy falsehood. Islamic law will encompass the entire world because it is consistent with reason and agrees with wisdom and justice.”
What an illuminating conversation. I knew about the Gospels being translated into koneic Greek and it would make sense for the scribes to transfer some of those epics into Scripture to appeal to the wider Greco-Roman audience.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is closer to Jesus than anyone else. Prophet Mohammad said, “I am the closest of the people to Jesus the son of Mary in this life and in the Hereafter.” It was said, “How is that, O Messenger of Allah?” The Prophet said, “The prophets are like brothers from one father with different mothers. They have one religion and there was no other prophet between us.” Sahih Muslim 2365
Why don't you actually tell the truth?? Hey that's an idea ?? Never do I ever see muslims tell the truth about my faith. I challenge any muslim here the debate me about the reliability of the Bible against the Qur'an?? Funny how your guys didn't ask this guy would he ever consider the Qur'an for historical value?? No Because not a single Scholar outside Islam even goes near the Qur'an to study ancient history.
@@MartinRamsbottom-mr9qf lol, the Qur'an isn't a historical book, I don't why you're trying to force it to be something it isn't. It may mention historical events, along many other topics but primarily it's a spiritual book for guidance. If "experts" don't see it as a science book that's fine I don't know when this became a contemporary issue. It doesn't subtract from any scientific knowledge found in it, similarly any historical knowledge in it. I hope that answers your question
@@MartinRamsbottom-mr9qf Please bring to us the original gospels in Jesus' and his disciples' language which Aramaic. The Qur'an is in prophet Muhammad language which is arabic so it's only fair.
@@MartinRamsbottom-mr9qf the truth about your faith is that your faith nothing to offer humanity, and has largely failed humanity. Feminism, atheism, liberal secularism, every single thing that is slowly rotting away society is rooted in your faith. Why? Because your faith was either too strict, or not strict enough. And we have to deal with its consequences. You want to be a good Christian? Follow Jesus, not Paul.
@@MartinRamsbottom-mr9qfwhat's really hilarious is that he calls her a 'hypocrite' in the comments section of her stream with History Valley....but here it's 'Oh she's exposing the gospels' 😂
After I have read the Quran, I realized that all what humanity needs is this heavenly law. “The legislation of Quran will spread all over the world, because it agrees with the mind, logic and wisdom.” - Leo Tolstoy . .
John 1,1 -3 + 14 confirms the creator of all creation (the Word) became human! = YHWH! as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*
During an interview with Angelika Neuwirth, the distinguished Professor of Qur’anic studies, she argued that the Qur’an has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present: "No one has succeeded, this is right… I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who were not able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings."
"When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land." Jomo Kenyatta.
Great interview Rami, you did great 👍🏻😸👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 yes there's those so called compatible imams who are trying to change the shariah no matter how shocking it may sound. I'm glad the doctor mentioned it because it may be brushed under the rug sadly
11:42 "...it's hard to read a single story in Mark that doesn't have a Homeric or an Athenian tragedy analogy or antecedent. I don't even know where to start. -The death of Jesus in Mark is like the death of Hector. -He does not drink wine before he dies. -There's a taunting destroyer of the temple, 'save yourself,' and so on. -Jesus then says on the cross, 'my God my God why have you forsaken me?' Hector knows that Apollo has forsaken him. He laments it even so he dies heroically. -When he dies he shouts out because his soul is going to the Netherworld. That's what Jesus does. He dies with a shout. -Three women are watching Jesus die from a distance. Three women lead the laments for Hector. -You have the shrouding and the anointing for death, not by Mary of Nazareth but by Mary Magdalene, who's an alternative to the mother. -You have Joseph of Arimathea (meaning discipleship in Greek) rescuing the body of Jesus the same way that the father of Hector, Priam, had to rescue the body of Hector from Achilles... -One of my favorite examples is the gerasene demoniac story where Jesus encounters a caveman who lives in the tombs and nobody can control him and Jesus sails there with his 12 men. That's what Odysseus does. 12 men sale in a ship. They encounter the Cyclops Polyphemus. Odysseus takes care of him by blinding his eye and stealing his sheep. Jesus takes care of the cavemen by exorcising the demons; and he does so like Circe, turning soldiers into swine and then the swine get drowned. That's how Odysseus' crew end up after they drown because of an incident at Thrunakia. The parallels go on and on."
Something I noticed in a Classics course was how each greek god was described as having a "mystery" where they taught a special rite in their main cult centers that no one knew except the priestess' there. Paul is often described as having his own, very different form of Christianity from the other writers, and by far I feel he is the one with the most pagan influence, its abundantly clear (he preached mostly to the Greeks as well). When my professor was talking about the mysteries of some greek gods, I immediately thought about how Paul described Jesus in the same way, as in having a mystery, something that people will not be able to understand in this life. That really disturbed me LOLLLL. also, the writers of the new testament were likely greek, its very implausible that most of them were jewish at all, so that definitely reinforces this video :)
Videos like this will attract a more mature and intellectual audience. Alhamdulillah. The As much as I like Andrew Tate, our brother in Islam, it got exhausting watching yet another reaction video because he sneezed.
@@John_Six_Twenty-Nine Pew Research saying 3 billion Muslims by 2060. We all know Christianity is collapsing and your children are turning atheists, LGBTQ and trans. Your priests have even turned LGBTQ and your churches have LGBTQ flags. Christianity is a joke.
This guy, 3 Muslims, was given soooo much grace by Dr Macdonald and in the end didn’t hear his main point. This dude’s counter argument (when there wasn’t an argument to be had), “Jesus was wrong, that’s why God sent Muhammad,” is a slap in the face to Dr Macdonald 😮. What a waste of his time. And his last few minutes, “women are better off as muslims than as Christians,” is so laughable 😅 “they can vote and own property.” Show me examples of wealthy or respectable Muslim women currently in the Middle East.
@@John_Six_Twenty-Nine I don't have a problem with Bart Ehrman as his work doesn't add extra biases for all historians (no miracles, no God, ...). But saying that all religious stories are just reflection of a previous one is a bias. Any story can have a similar one in another civilization. There should be a certain high threshold that must be passed to say that they are impacted from each other or impacted by an older version.
@@seeking4truthAll I'm saying is saying is once Ronald Macdonald has the balls to tell you that Islam has identical problems to the ones he is trying to sell to you in Christianity, you will soon turn on him and this comments section will look rather silly
There is no original sin. Adam and Eve prayed for forgiveness and God forgave them. Qur'an 2:37. Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. The prayer for forgiveness by Adam and Eve. Qur'an 7:23. “Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers.” .
Once I saw the name Hades I already thought of Greek mythology. When I was in high school we were forced to learn Greek mythology. I know Hades was the brother of Zues and Hades was the God of the underworld the underworld was named after him. No way should Hades the underworld should be in the Bible.
Then what did Jesus peace be upon him actually do ? If the stories we are reading are Made up then what’s true ? As Muslims we have to find the truth about Jesus peace be upon him
The God of Abraham forgives all sins above His blessed Throne. He doesn't need to come down to Earth to make himself look like a clown and get tortured and die a discraceful pathetic death by his own creation. Qur'an 39:53. Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful." .
‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever testifies that there is no God but Allah alone without any partners, that Muhammad is His servant and His messenger, that Jesus is the servant of Allah and His messenger, His word which He bestowed upon Mary and a spirit from Him, and that Paradise is the truth and Hellfire is the truth, then Allah will admit him into Paradise by whatever good deeds he had done.” Sahih al-Bukhari 3435, Sahih Muslim 28.
SAY NO TO TRINITY! Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Mark 12:29. Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord . 💖☝God says: Qur'an 112:1-4. قُلْ هُوَ اللّٰهُ اَحَدٌ "Say, He is Allah, [who is] One," (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: Verse 1) اَللّٰهُ الصَّمَدُ "Allah, the Eternal Refuge." (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: verse 2) لَمْ يَلِدْ ۙ وَلَمْ يُوْلَدْ "He neither begets nor is born," (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: Verse 3) وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَّهٗ كُفُوًا اَحَدٌ "Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: Verse 4) .
In Qur'an, Satan in cursed: Qur'an 15:34-35. 34.[ Allah ] said, "Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled. 35.And indeed, upon you is the curse until the Day of Recompense." In Bible, Jesus is cursed: Galatians 3:13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
Rami, do you know the Mythvision podcast? He makes a lot of similar content like this debunking the bible, has also spoken to this scholar, and just dropped a video with an ex-Muslim. I haven’t watched it yet. It would be very interesting if you could speak to him.
Anas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Feed the hungry, spread peace, speak kind words, and pray at night when people are sleeping. You will enter Paradise in peace.” Musnad al-Bazzar 2497 .
Elon Musk gave brief remarks, praising Islam at the 2023 World Government Summit Musk explained, "While Rome was falling, Islam was rising, so you had a caliphate doing well while Rome was doing terribly. And that ended up being a source of preservation of knowledge and many scientific advancements." "So I think we need to be a little conscious of being too much of a single civilization because if we are too much of a single civilization, then the whole thing may collapse," he continued.
@@John_Six_Twenty-Nine Because that word was only for the Children of Israel. Not now. They have been rejected for rejecting Jesus and Muhammad and calling Mary an adulterous woman.
@@John_Six_Twenty-Nine He was like a father figure to the Children of Israel. They rejected his teachings and He rejected them. God hates filthy pig eating Trinitarians. God from day one commanded to worship Him alone. This is why we Muslims and Jews don't believe god came out of vagina of a woman. Christianity is false. My channel debunks Christianity and that pagan 4th century roman made Trinity
This shows that Christianity is founded on Hocus Pocus ideas and Roman fiction & epic stories. No Wonder there is no original Ijneel given to Jesus PBUH
@@John_Six_Twenty-NineInsecurity breeds projection, this is what’s left of Christianity, the Birmingham quranic manuscript destroys and decapitates all your accusations that the Quran holds no direct chains, archaeologists have carbon dated the manuscript and confirmed its from the era of Muhammad (pbuh).
The following verse is deemed as a forgery by Christian scholars, and has been thrown out of the modern day translations. This verse is nowhere to be found in any Greek manuscripts until the 15th century. It was added to deceive Christians. 1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
If he's claiming that the Messiah translated Christ claimed divinity when it's two states in the Bible clearly that he said I did not come to abolish the laws I came to fulfill them and to confirm them no not one. Not one tittle will be erased removed or rearranged or changed or replaced till the day of judgment and anyone who does so will not be interesting into the kingdom of heaven and will be known as the least so where is he getting this information that he can do this
Antisemitism lives in the foundations of human society and human nature. The human ego-the desire to enjoy at the expense of others and nature-evolves throughout history and during a person’s life. The more it grows, the more it feels an opposite force also dwelling within. That opposite force is called a “point in the heart.” Contrary to our egoistic desires that wish solely to absorb pleasures into themselves, the point in the heart is a desire that has potential to develop into a desire that loves, gives and positively connects to others. The point in the heart is also known as the seed of the soul, as we can develop it to discover our soul-the connection that underlies those very points. The realization of the potential encased in this small point of desire is the ability to rise above the human ego, where instead of detaching from one another through our growing egoism, i.e. increasingly prioritizing self-benefit over benefiting others, we instead prioritize the benefit of others and positive human connection. The point in the heart is the opposite of our egoistic nature. There are people who host only the negative egoistic force, and there are people who have both the negative egoistic force and the positive altruistic force. When both positive and negative forces coexist in us, then we become called “Jews” or “Israel” according to our inner essence. Likewise, if we solely host the negative egoistic force with no revelation yet of the point in the heart, then we are called “nations of the world” according to that essence. We underwent several stages of development throughout history. The point in the heart first surfaced throughout human society in ancient Babylon. The Babylonians who felt the inner urge to seek something deeper in life beyond the earthly egoistic desires joined Abraham, who taught a method for how to nurture the point in the heart in order to rise above the ego and positively connect. Abraham organized the Babylonians who wanted to study with him into a group, and he called this group “Israel,” which is made up of the words “Yashar Kel” (“straight to God”), i.e. people who aim themselves directly at the attainment of nature’s upper force of love, bestowal and connection, which is opposed to the force existing in human beings, the force of reception. Since Abraham’s time, the two groups-Israel and the nations of the world-have undergone much development. Some from the Israel camp left the group to pursue their natural egoistic inclinations, i.e. with an inclination to the nations of the world, while some from the nations of the world felt that they possess a special closeness and connection, which draws them to Israel. In other words, Jews are not a nationality, but they are people who host the point in the heart, which associates them with the positive force of nature, and which is opposite to the egoistic force that we are born and raised with by nature. The source of antisemitism is in the contrast and conflict between the two opposite desires of our inborn egoism and the point in the heart that can develop our ability to rise above the human ego.
It was the Muslims who got the West out of Dark Ages. But you don't appreciate and study history. FATHER OF MATHS. The House of Wisdom in Bagdad in the early 9th Century was an outstanding Persian mathematician called Muhammad Al-Khwarizmi. The word “algorithm” is derived from the Latinization of his name, and the word “algebra” is derived from the Latinization of “al-jabr“, part of the title of his most famous book called Al-jabr wa'l muqabalah, in which he introduced the fundamental algebraic methods and techniques for solving equations. FATHER OF SURGERY: Al Zahrawi is considered the father of modern surgery. He introduced over 200 surgical tools, a staggering number by all standards. FATHER OF MEDICINE: Ibn Sina, commonly known in the West as Avicenna, was a Persian polymath who is regarded as one of the most significant physicians, astronomers, philosophers, and writers of the Islamic Golden Age, and the father of early modern medicine. FATHER OF SCIENCE: Ibn al-Haytham is regarded as the father of optics. He wrote a book called the Book of Optics (Kitab al-Manzir), and it was translated into Latin, which meant his work and ideas influenced scholars in Europe. FATHER OF AVIATION: The first human to take flight was known as Abbas Abu Al-Qassim Ibn Firnas who was born in Spain. They named a crater on the moon after him as Ibn Firnas. They also named a bridge in Cordoba, Spain and an named an airport after him in Baghdad. And the list goes on and on......
Al-Kwarizmi the Zoroastrian? Perhaps AlZarahwi helped 'Jibreel' open Mohammed's chest before washing his heart with Zamzam water? Ibn Sina? Considered by other scholars such as al-Ghazali, Ibn Taymiyya, and Ibn al-Qayyim to be a disbeliever? Ibn Firnas the 1st to take flight? Well, at least we can agree that the story of Mohammed's night flight was 🐎💩 after all
@@John_Six_Twenty-Nine Al khwarizmi was a Muslim according to Britanica. Now go cry to your father the devil. Christianity is collapsing and your priests have turned LGBT
"Over the centuries, and even today, the Bible and Christian theology have helped justify the Crusades, slavery, violence against gays, and the murder of doctors who perform abortions. The words themselves are latent, inert, harmless - until they aren't." Amy Waldman.
Allah has promised the Paradise for the believers. Qur’an 41:30-32. 30. Indeed, those who have said, “Our Lord is Allah ” and then on a right course - the angels will descend upon them, [saying], “Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised. 31. We [angels] were your allies in worldly life and [are so] in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request [or wish] 32. As accommodation from a [Lord who is] Forgiving and Merciful.” Qur'an 9:72. Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from Allah is greater. It is that which is the great attainment.
