Dr. Mark Peterson: Slavery, Confucianism, and Korean History | Korea Deconstructed  

Great guest. Only 30 minutes in but very interested in hearing the rest soon. Good work, sir.

Absolutely brilliant podcast! So insightful and one of the best discussions about Korea

Other cities in ancient China had to pay tribute to the emperor. Tribute is not an exchange between countries. Cities across China regularly pay tribute to local specialties, and local officials from all over the country regularly go to the capital palace for gatherings and cultural exchanges (and exchanges of materials and commodities from various places). Starting from the time of Qin Shiwang, when China discovered an area, the emperor would send a large number of Han people to the area to develop it (build a large number of Chinese buildings, establish local government, and dragons and Chinese culture would naturally appear there). Of course like Japan, North Korea, North Vietnam. . . . These marginal and poor and indigenous backward areas. The number of Chinese is relatively small . There are relatively many local indigenous people. There is no any historical record : Chinese royal secrets were allowed to teach Chinese characters, architecture and various techniques to any ethnic group (Japanese & Korean & vietnam language...barbarian). This is impossible. Even the ethnic minorities within ancient China did not know and used Chinese characters. (Except for the ancient Manchus who invaded in order to rule China. They were also forced to learn Chinese characters . BUT now Manchu language and Manchu script are now on the verge of extinction). There are a lot of historical records. The ancient Japanese rulers (before the 13th century), Korea kings and Vietnam king sall claimed to be Chinese 漢族 (otherwise they would not be canonized as kings of the local area by the Chinese emperor). There are a lot of letters they wrote to the Chinese emperor. They called them are Chinese and proud Chinese . They call the local Japan (before the 13th century), Korea and Vietnam "China 中國/中華". They call the local indigenous people are barbarians (Japanese & Korean & vietnam language...peoples). The Chinese emperor would not be so stupid as not to send his own Chinese to rule the area. And spend a lot of time and energy to teach the barbarians or indigenous people various Chinese technologies and Chinese cultures? Let them(barbarians) freely enter and leave Chinese other cities and wear Chinese clothes (hanfu style) and pretend to be Chinese to govern these areas ???? In ancient times, without RU-vid and the Internet, it was very difficult to learn Chinese characters 漢字 alone, and it was even more impossible to learn classical Chinese 文言文 (not even for sinologists漢學家 now). Others were even more impossible. And ancient China will not pass on Chinese technology to the barbarians野蠻人. (Except for a small number of low-class and mixed-race people who serve and work for the Chinese in local Chinese palaces (such as Gyeongbokgung Palace 景福宮), they can only understand and write some simple Chinese characters 漢字 (in order to facilitate the command of slaves korean to work). When Goryeo King(ancient Chinese) unified 朝鮮半島 (ancient Korean Peninsula). The immediate task was to report to the Chinese Emperor and change it name . Those who were canonized by the Chinese emperor could not be barbarians野蠻人 (ancient Koreans). They are Chinese people (king , noble families. scholars and technicians...) who have lived on the 朝鮮半島 (ancient Korean Peninsula) for a long time. Classical Chinese 文言文 and Chinese characters 漢字 can only be used by the Chinese families (king. officials, aristocrats, military officers, scholars, technicians, etc. ) who govern the Korean Peninsula . The official language and writing on the ancient Korean Peninsula for more than 2,000 years were Chinese language(Chinese official and dialect) and classical Chinese 文言文 and Chinese characters (until 1910). Korean characters only appeared in the 15th century. And it is used by untouchables (Korean did not become the official language and writing until 1950. It is only 70 years old). Anceint japan (before 13th century )= 東瀛 & 扶桑 & 倭 . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today japan = 日本 Anceint korea= 朝鮮 (and 高包麗. 百濟. 新羅. 王氏高麗. 李氏朝鮮) . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today korea = 韓國(南北) Anceint Nonth Vietnam= 交趾 & 安南 . (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today Vietnam = 越南 Anceint Okinawa= 琉球. (the name set by the Chinese emperor. It is also the name of the historical record) Today Okinawa = 沖繩

Brilliant talk. 👏 So very insightful from both of you.

Dave, I've just started getting into this convo. It's great hearing Mark's perspectives on Korea in the 1960's. This will take me some time to get through. 3+ hours!!! Do I get any time off on Sunday? 😄

You have a very interesting channel.

He mentions Goryeo polyandry. Where can I learn more about this?

Good thing Dr. Peterson fleshed out the tributary relationships of Korea and China which has nothing to do with sovereignty or independence. Those special trading privileges was an economic benefit to Korea, than to China.

The reason why the S Korean government vigorously promotes the KPOP plan (related to N Korea) In the late 19th century. Due to the unearthed ancient Chinese tombs and Chinese relics unearthed on the Korean Peninsula. Starting in about 1995. Since the North Korean government intends to apply for the "ancient Chinese tomb" as a Korean heritage, it was rejected by UNESCO. And South Koreans went to China to destroy Chinese tombs and steal the murals and cultural relics "Chinese Cultural Relics" in the ancient tombs, and brought back to South Korean history exhibitions and discovered by the Chinese government. ----------- In 2003, China had applied for UNESCO to apply for the legacy of Goguryeo King City, king Tombs and aristocratic tombs, and was agreed. In fact, as early as 3 years ago, Korea applied for UNESCO. But it was rejected. Because Goguryeo is the history of the Han people in northern China. It is not Korean history and culture at all. * UNESCO = the United Nations Teaching and Science Organization * The people of goguryeo (and Baekje king, Silla king, Goryeo king, Joseon li king) are wearing Chinese han Clothing. They believe in Taiist Culture, Dragon Culture and Chinese God Beasts. 20 years ago, Koreans stole the murals and murals and of Chinese Goguryeo in China 20 years ago. Some unearthed cultural relics, creating a large number of fake history and historical TV series, this is very shameful. ---------- Later. The South Korean government and the civil organizations planned to promote and publicize the "influence of the great Korean nation". False korean legends and historical stories). The S Korean government and S Korean folk organizations also perform human brainwashing plans through "KPOP and Cosmetic Surgery". The original purpose was to make more foreigners believe in the history of Korean nationality (stealing a lot of Chinese history and culture). At the same time, S Koreans earn great interests in the world. And modify all Korean historical textbooks and make a large number of fake Korean history and cultural propaganda (Koreans believe that Chinese history and culture are created by their ancestors. The ancient Koreans are stronger than Chinese). So they It must have a huge influence like Japan. Starting from this period. All Koreans are like crazy. The Korean government and the people have produced a large number of fake Korean historical TV series. They pretend to be ancient Chinese and plagiarize directly from Chinese TV series. The purpose of Koreans is to brainwash young korean and all humans. This is this kind. The crazy behavior of fraud in the country. Only for the dignity of the Korean nation. They and N Koreans have the same genes and nationalities. N Koreans believe that they are more powerful than the United States. The thinking and behavior of the S Korean people is also crazy and arrogant as N Koreans.. In order to get praise from others and victory (including huge money), they can go fraudulently. This can be seen in Korean athletes and Korean Games. Due to the United States' attitude towards China. The United States supports Japan and S Korea to become a influence than China. Blocking real history and information (the Japanese and S Korean governments have always rejected foreigners to study and archeological in their countries). And support them to propagate these anti -China opposites (whether they do fake history and fake information promotion). KPOP and S Korea's cosmetic surgery are popular. Just like N Korea (Kim Jong -un's thought) on the people's effects. It has become a tool that is harmful to global teenagers. Human brainwashing and rewriting their history. ------------------------- Korea made the history of the ancient Chinese in Chaoxian 朝鮮 (Today Korea territory) into a historical TV series.specially used to create fake history (and culture) and brainwashing humans. South Korean historical dramas copy Chinese historical dramas by wearing clothes and headdresses that never appeared in Korea history. Many years ago, your Korean drama crew started to go to China to buy props that the Chinese crew did not want and shoot TV series in Chinese city Hengdian. Now there are even cultural relics of China's Han Dynasty in the Korean TV series. Koreans even copied the whole Hengdian, but Hengdian is all Chinese style architecture . Nnot only copy Chinese architecture, but also copy Chinese interior decoration. Chinese elements always appear in Korean TV dramas, such as ancient paintings, food, clothing, especially traditional clothes. Korean people often pretend to be the clothes and hairstyles of ancient Chinese people. Koreans have gone crazy, incorporate a lot of Chinese elements into TV dramas and claim that they are Korean. Koreans always give them barren history breast enhancement, just as Koreans are good at plastic surgery.

In the ancient Korea (Chaoxian朝鮮 -Real historical name, Chinese territory and the Chinese regio before 1910). In 918-1910. It was two different ethnic groups. 1.Chinese (Han Ethnic)(Wear color and pattern clothes) - Ruler and nobleman 2. Korean (White Clothes Ethnic)( Wear white clothes without pattern) - Civilians and slaves 1. Ruler and nobleman (Goguryeo高句麗 , Baekje百濟, Silla新羅 , Goryeo高麗, Joseon朝鮮=Chaoxian朝鮮 ..): Chinese local officials and nobles (royal members, monks, scholars, soldiers, architects, technicians, and their families ...). They are Chinese (Han) and their descendants born in the local area. They have always wore China in China costumes. They speak Chinese language (official and Han dialect) and Chinese characters. They are Chinese officials and represent the Chinese emperor's governance of the ancient Korean Peninsula (朝鮮). Local Chinese officials (Chaoxian king朝鮮王) and Chinese nobles in ancient Korea (Chaoxian 朝鮮-Chinese territory). They all Chinese clothes (hanfu), headdress (hat and crown), silk cloth (including embroidery), soldiers (such as: defensive clothing, horses). Weapons (including cannons), Chinese literature books (including Chinese history, Taoism Buddhism), Chinese special architectural materials (including palaces and design paintings). Food materials (Chinese food and Chinese royal food), wooden wheels used, large military ships, etc. are made from other cities in China). Among them, the Chinese royal's (Chaoxian king /officials and nobles) Hanfu comes from Chinese han clothes, opera clothing, and hat crown headwear. Therefore, the fabric on the clothes is high -level. There are a large number of Chinese official dragon patterns and various traditional Chinese patterns (including Chinese characters) on the clothes. 2. Civilians and slaves (Goryeo高麗, Joseon=Chaoxian朝鮮 ..only appeared in history after the 13th century): Civilians and slaves are indigenous Koreans (White Clothes Ethnic白衣民族). They speak Korean language. Long -term banned learning and use of Chinese characters 漢字(except a few descendants of mixed with Chinese people). Korean people cannot use any pattern of Chinese imperial power. 龍dragon and 鳯phoenix. In ancient times, this was a beheading and destroyer. * Chinese patterns and Dragon's totem represents the symbol of the ancient Chinese and Chinese power. Korean people cannot use any pattern of Chinese imperial power. 龍dragon and 鳯phoenix. Only the Chinese royal family and senior officers can use it. If the "White clothes Ethnic 白衣民族" (today's ancestors of Koreans) use the pattern of dragon and use Chinese characters. They will destroy the tribe and beheaded. Korean characters韓字 are text used by slaves. Ancient Korean can only use Korean characters (after the 15th century. Chinese officials - Chaoxian king and Chinese scholars who settled on the Chaoxian朝鮮 . Chinese officials use Chinese characters and Korean language to create "Korean characters韓字 ".) for slaves. These low Korean soldiers are used to protect the Chaoxian Peninsula 朝鮮半島(Chinese territory) to prevent Japanese pirates from invasion. In ancient Korea (Chaoxian朝鮮 ) does not have any technologies and processes such as metal , Bend the wood and dye embroidery patterns. Most Korean men became low -level soldiers in the Chinese army (under the command of Chinese officers). There is no armor. Korean only wear pure white clothes and korean women's clothing is exposed nipples (Hanbok - Features of traditional Korean clothes). All Korean women use their heads to move anything (similar to other primitive tribal culture). Korean houses are cottage built with grass (only Chinese can live in Chinese palaces and temples). Korean people earn food in the market concentrated on exchanging items. They do not have any coins and any metal things. South Korea's national culture and tools for use are very primitive. * Chinese patterns and dragon totems represent the ancient Chinese and symbols of Chinese power. Only the Chinese royal family and high-ranking military officers can use them. If the "White clothes Ethnic 白衣民族" (today's ancestors of Koreans) use dragon patterns and use Chinese characters ((In addition to the mulattoes and those working in the Chinese palace)), they will be exterminated. and beheaded. Writing history is the tradition and habit of the ancient Chinese. The history of the ancient Korean Peninsula was written by classical Chinese. This was read for the Chinese and must be approved for the Chinese emperor. This is a record and governance story of Chinese officials and nobles on the ancient Korean Peninsula.

Actually, when Korea into 17th century, Ming Dynasty fell and as process of this, many Ming aristocrats who had connections with Korea fled China and settled in Korea. Also, Injo's reign of Joseon Dynasty was very Pro-Ming and anti-Qing (Manchu). This changed the political landscape in Korea, more Ming styled doctrine and system were imposed thus you also see the very strong Ming influence from 17th century onward. Joseon during 17th century saw themselves as continuation of Ming which aided fall of Joseon Dynasty.

Unbelievable conversation. I've never heard such a lenghthy discussion on Korea that is so perceptive both from an academic and social lens. Throughout the episode, I couldn't help but think this; I wish Dr.Peterson would live on forever but when he does eventually passes on, who can take his place? I think that person can be you, Dr.Tizzard. Just to offer my two cents, it's true that 할류 has had a tremendous effect in raising morale for Korean diaspora. However, when 강남스타일 kicked off the craze, it was more of an annoyance than rejoicing for me. My identity felt reduced to a culture that I personally didn't identify with: a culture of debauchery. I don't drink or go to clubs, but 강남스타일 imposed this lifestyle on us and in my opinion, reinforced this culture in my fellow Korean diaspora community. I'm in NYC, and K-town here exploded with club and bar activity since then. It used to be family restaurant oriented, but now, it's only about the nightlife. I saw that Korean Americans seeking their identity gravitated towards that culture because that's what the world was telling us that's what we were. I've always been more into books than alcohol. 할류 is diverse but it's mostly restricted to the entertainment industry. Where is our 할류 in academics? Where are the Korean academic superstars gracing the world stage alongside BTS? Perhaps I'm being greedy but this sentiment is an accumulation of years and years of an enforced superficial culture. There is too much to say but not enough time to say them. Looking forward to more of these discussions!

Where did Henderson get his money? All the U.S. Foreign Service people were (are?) from the same patrician East Coast families. Smells like a trust fund to me. Henderson sounded brilliant in the documentary, "Korea: The Unknown War" (1988), btw.

The founder of Goguryeo 高句麗 , Jumong(朱蒙), Goryeo 高麗 's founding king-Wang Jian (王建) and Joseon 朝鮮 's founding king-Yi Seong-Gye (李成桂) Is Actually Chinese Pronunciation. . "Gao高", "Wang王", "Li李" ... are the surnames of many Han family漢族 in China. And ancient Koreans did not have surnames and names in history . Goguryeo 高句麗 ,Baekje百濟, Silla新羅 , Goryeo高麗, Joseon朝鮮 is not the history and cultural relics of Koreans. Their royal and senior personnel are not Koreans. Most of them are members of the northern Chinese (Han peoples 漢人), (Obviously prove this from a lot of historical data and unearthed cultural relics). * Goguryeo 高句麗 like the relationship between Taiwan today (because of the disagreement of political reasons). Baekje百濟 and Silla新羅 like the relationship between Hongkong & Macau today . All their materials and goods come from other cities in China (there are no production factories in ancient Korea, nor dyes, hammer-making and other technologies). They claim to be Chinese (Han family 漢族). They wear Chinese clothes. They believe in Chinese religion. They use Chinese emperor as their parents. They speak fluent Chinese official language (and Han dialect) and write Chinese characters in Chinese grammar. They claim ancient Korean to be a " China中國" in the history. Like other Chinese cities, they regularly send goods to the Chinese emperor. If the Chinese emperor is happy, sometimes it will also give some gifts to Chinese officials in various cities. The use of Korean languages cannot wear reasonable Chinese articles and historical records. Because Chinese language and Korean language (including Japanese language) are completely different. People who recorded the history of the local regime on the ancient korea, It must be a Chinese scholar who speaks fluent Chinese language. IN Goryeo高麗 and Joseon朝鮮 , The lower levels civilians are Koreans. They are wearing white and women's clothes show their nipples (Westerners Record history photos). ------------------------------ Goryeo高麗's founding king-Wang Jian (王建). Wang Jian (王建) is very obviously the immigrants or descendants of the Han people (whether the culture of clothes is the Han culture), this possibility is quite high. Because Wang Jian is the descendant of the Chinese (Han people漢人), the regime he has established follows the abbreviation of the ancient country Goguryeo高句麗, as the new national name wang's Goryeo王氏高麗. He asked the Chinese emperor to name the capital "Hanyang漢陽 /Hancheng漢城" (mean: Chinese's city). The original Korean indigenous people at the southernmost tip of the Korean are slaves. They were convened and became slaves. They were wearing pure white (no dyes and technology) and women showing her nipples as beauty (Westerners Record history photos). . This is the custom of Korean people. Later, they became the civilians of Goryeo高麗 . ---------------------------- Yi Seong-GYE 李成桂(1335-1408) established a Chinese local regime on the peninsula . He is very sure that he is the descendant of Chinese immigrants (Yi Seong-GYE 's father is the Han people - Chinese). Yi Seong-Gye 李成桂 leads some Chinese people to establish a Chinese local regime on the peninsula (Chinese royal family and nobles). The aristocracy also claims to be HanChinese. They use the Chinese emperor as their parents. Tribute to China like other Chinese cities. The founders and royal members of the ancient Korean dynasty (Joseon) were Chinese. They spoke Chinese dialects and official Chinese language. Use Chinese characters. Wearing Han nationality clothing. Building a small Chinese palace on the peninsula (Gyeongbok palace景福宮).Royal members use Chinese coins. They bring Chinese culture to the Korean Peninsula. Koreans are called as slaves (become subordinate civilians). They were wearing pure white (no dyes and technology) and women showing her nipples as beauty. This is the traditional custom of Korean . However, the Chinese emperor on the peninsula has always forbid slaves and indigenous Koreans to learn Chinese language and Chinese characters. Koreans use indigenous language (Korean language). There are no character (until the 15th century). Almost all of them are illiterate. No coins. The trading of ancient Koreans has always been carried out in the way of exchanging items. (Until 1910). Until 1895. China was in a war of foreign invasion.China loses the right to control and protect "Joseon ". 1900 was occupied by the Korean Peninsula in Japan. The Japanese abolished Chinese language and Chinese characters. The ancient Korean Peninsula("朝鮮" is the name of China) has always been a place where Chinese territory and Chinese regime. Until 1900. The Korean language and character (invention of the 15th century) of indigenous language began to popularize on the peninsula. >>> * In 2004, the Koreans renamed the "Chinese City 漢城" to "Seoul" ------------------------------ Historically, Korean women's clothes show their nipples (about 11 years old. After they get married and have children), until they are old, they use their heads to transport things (Westerners Record history photos).. * Ancient Korean traditional costumes are pure white (the Korean people have been known as the "White clothes ethnic白衣民族" since ancient times), and women's clothes are exposed their nipples (the Korean people show their nipples to represent the beauty). This reflects the ancient Korean people and thoughts.

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Hay, Dr. Mark Peterson. What do you know about what Japan did against Korea in the past? Please share them with us with very very clear, physical, and credible evidence. Typically, what today's Koreans mention is "I've heard this from my grandfather/grandmother, etc. and Japan did...", without showing any credible evidence. Also, there are many statements and records from elderly Koreans saying that Japan has helped them very well in the past. Therefore, Japanese believe that what today's Koreans mentioned about Japan-Korea history is untrue, which would be distorted intentionally by some Korean politicians, or even US politicians who are afraid of Japanese strength, in the past.