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Korean Religion, Culture, and History | Anton Scholz 

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At the age of sixteen, Anton discovered Taekwondo in his native Germany. From there, he began exploring Buddhism only to be told by a visiting monk that if he wanted to truly understand it, he would have to visit Korea. Anton then embarked on a journey of practice and discovery in Korea in 1994, initially intending to stay for just a year. This conversation took place in 2024, thirty years later.
Anton has regularly appeared on television during his time here. He has also worked as a producer for the German public broadcaster ARD, offered his expertise as a business consultant, taught at a university, and sought to capture the essence of Korean society as a documentary filmmaker. He has also just written a book in Korean, 한국인들의 이상한 행복, which sheds a critical light on many of the country's social problems. This book was what prompted our discussion today.
Anton's Book: product.kyobobook.co.kr/detai...
Discussion Outline
0:00 Foundations 1: Taekwondo
12:02 Foundations 2: Buddhism
55:10 The Strange Unhappiness of Korean People
1:00:17 Education
1:32:27 The Home
1:42:08 Seoul
1:53:22 Korean History
2:24:00 Anton Speaking Korean
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Комментарии : 39   
@Nw_iamfree
@Nw_iamfree 13 дней назад
finally we have money! lol good conversation!
@andersonstudio3610
@andersonstudio3610 5 месяцев назад
Really enjoyed listening to this interview. Anton, thank you for addressing some very important topics related to Korean society which are not so openly discussed in Korea publicly. You do it very well, with respect but also with the honesty it needs. I will definitely read your book. And thanks, David for organizing this dicussion. Great listen!
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 5 месяцев назад
Thank you! But it was David who set the stage and prepared everything. I really enjoyed doing this in English as I did so many interviews in Korean but then there is a group of people out there who might not always understand Korean well (not in your case) but still are deeply interested in Korea. I am happy to get more in touch there too!
@andrewofaiur
@andrewofaiur 5 месяцев назад
Just before the 1 hour mark when the discussion is about the golden rule, I also heard a similar variation from another psychologist, Dr. Jordan Peterson: _"Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping"_ I understand what you were implying by "Treat yourself as nicely as you do to others" as it may be necessary for some people who are too agreeable or self-deprecating. However, if we look at ourselves as someone we're responsible for helping, then it's not just about being kind to ourselves, but also employing self-accountability along with self-encouragement as circumstance would see fit. The discussion on Korean History was the best part of the episode for me. It was so refreshing to hear a non-politically correct analysis of Korea's dogmatic education on its history. I attended school in Korea until 3rd grade before immigrating to the US, but even at that early stage, the indoctrination of 독도&동해 was firmly rooted in me. It took YEARS of personal reflection and intellectual honesty/curiosity to even begin unraveling the brainwashing. Studying European history in the 18th&19th century, and understanding how nationalism was used by the heads of state to power their imperial ambitions and ultimately leading to the destruction in the 20th century, I fear that Korea today is on a similar trajectory of those European powers. It seems like every year, we get more dramas and movies about the colonial period, or 임진외란, not from a place of genuine desire to preserve history but to enrage the populace and stoke the flames of nationalism. Korea needs to be more sensible in their approach to Korea-Japan relations. There was a line from President Yoon's talk at the Kennedy School shortly after his inauguration that I found most commendable. To roughly paraphrase it, it went something like "The notion that our country (Korea) cannot budge an inch towards remediation unless Japan has utterly surrendered to all of our demands is an untenable position". I really enjoyed the other parts of the episode regarding Buddhism and happiness too. I wonder if you will or have talked about Korean Christianity with an expert. Christianity has had such a massive influence on helping to create certain social and moral structures in even pre-colonization Korea but it has fallen from grace in modern times. I hope you and the family had a great time in Vietnam and thank you for a fantastic episode!
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for this wonderful comment. It's always nice to have you as part of the conversation. I think the idea of discussing Korean Christianity with an expert in the manner we did here with Buddhism would be very interesting. I have a Taoist expert coming on soon, so it would only be fair to hit all the major practices and faiths. We're currently trying to make Korean subtitles for the Korean history part because I agree that was a very interesting section. Just takes time haha Vietnam was marvelous, thank you. Off to Italy this weekend to present at a conference so although we recorded the latest episode yesterday, it might be a while until it's out.
@n2the1
@n2the1 5 месяцев назад
Wonderful comment. :)
@thevirtualtraveler
@thevirtualtraveler 5 месяцев назад
"If we live in fear of other people's opinions, we are no longer living in a Democracy." As an American living through "interesting" times, that *really* resonated with me. All I can say is WOW, my entire nation just got schooled by a German & a Brit living in Korea.
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 5 месяцев назад
Haha love this!! And I completely agree. You only believe in free speech if you believe in it for people with whom you disagree. Otherwise, you simply don't believe in it.
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 5 месяцев назад
I think people used to be more courageous, also in Korea. But now they feel they have too much to lose and do not dare to speak out what they really think if it is not in line with the current public opinion. But when you give in to fear you have already lost everything.
@n2the1
@n2the1 5 месяцев назад
@antonscholz9891 Mr. Scholz, I enjoyed hearing your views on Buddhism in Korea. I have practiced meditation for a number of years, but it is quite different from Zen, mindfulness. It's focus is on the heart and centered around the concept of pranauti. However, I have been to the Seon Temple at Hwagyyesa. I think there could be much more gained by more people exploring and discussing the various paths of meditation and practical philosophy. I hope to see more of your thoughts and experience shared with others in Korea. May your practice be joyful.
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 5 месяцев назад
Thank you. I also often thought like that. Korea these days is known to be the most luxury-obsessed country in the world. So people look for happiness and joy mostly outside of themselves. Looking a bit more inward could help to heal some of the sadness and frustration many people feel, I am sure. But people need to chose this path for themselves and I feel less and less people are inclined to do so...
@burtonsschool9532
@burtonsschool9532 5 месяцев назад
I am a Canadian. I grew up in a small rural community in 80 and 90s. I moved to Korea in 2002. I loved how the small Canadian community supported the town through dads and moms being the coaches, leaders, and teachers for every one who chose to be active in the community. We were a bunch a small fish in a small community. As a man, I look back to my memories and sense there was a lot of good, truth, and beauty there. I can’t speak for it now, but I do miss it. Korea was fun because I could get lost in the chaos of Seoul. It isn’t as fun anymore.
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 5 месяцев назад
Though it's not as fun for us...for young people it's still a lot of fun. Of course, it's a different kind of fun from what we are used to, but it's fun nonetheless.
@elemental9578
@elemental9578 5 месяцев назад
I haven't been able to see the whole episode yet, but I did skip to the end and was astonished to hear Anton Scholz's last line: "Discussion culture is not a big thing in Korea." Why is that? This is a topic on its own that should be more deeply examined. After the death of Lee Sun-kyun, I was surprised how little public discussion there was of the aspects of Korean culture at work in this tragedy. But Scholz's last line seems to imply that self-examination on a collective level is somehow avoided in Korea. Why is that? I think that a program like yours is a model that Koreans might emulate to address the issues of the day.
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 5 месяцев назад
That is indeed an interesting topic of its own. I address the issue in more detail in my book but just in a nutshell: I believe that Korean communication in general is very much focused on conflict avoiding. For example: Korean language always uses words like "somehow" "maybe" "seems" and so on. So there is rarely and absolute as that could already be seen as something that could cause conflict. Also Korean society is very much based on hierarchy and in a strict hierarchy there is less need for discussion. A son should not "discuss" with the father, a student should not discuss with the teacher, an employee should not discuss with the boss and so on. This might change gradually these days but it is still very much part of the Korean social fabric. Discussion is something you need to learn. If you do not learn to analyze arguments and counter with your own counter-arguments the most likely reaction to opinions brought forward to conflict with your own is either to avoid the discussion completely or show aggression and anger. And I think that is what we see a lot in Korea. But we need to work on that I believe...
@Kdramamusings
@Kdramamusings 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for sharing! Brilliant talk! @@anton.scholz
@elemental9578
@elemental9578 5 месяцев назад
@@anton.scholz Your reply to my comment is illuminating, in that it answers many questions that have lurked in my subconcious, not the least of which is, what is it about Korean culture and society that attracts me. One of those aspects may be the avoidance of conflict. And now that you mention it, I think that the avoidance of conflict extends to the way they speak to one another, pausing to think before speaking, the use of nunchi, something that I noticed early on in my discovery of Korean dramas. I think we in the West could well use a litte more nunchi. Even the honorifics and other micro-gestures of politeness are admirable, especially compared to a Western in-your-face way of communicating. The down side, I guess, is that painful issues may not be addressed, and discussions which might help a society move forward are not being held.
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 5 месяцев назад
Yes, you are right. There are parts of this culture that I really like and some parts that (still after 25 years here) drive me crazy at times. You mentioned "nunchi", how about "Baeryeo" (배려)? It is a wonderful concept in a way but leads to loneliness and many white lies I believe, that in the end lead on to a less open and less happy Korean society... @@elemental9578
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 5 месяцев назад
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@Eisenschmidt1
@Eisenschmidt1 4 месяца назад
Really excellent trialog. Interesting perspectives are shared throughout the video.
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 4 месяца назад
Thank you for watching and commenting. I agree with your idea that having three different perspectives makes for a more enriched and valuable discussion.
@mitzkt1679
@mitzkt1679 5 месяцев назад
I really enjoyed this interview. It is always rewarding to hear from different viewpoints. I can not help but feel that with all peoples and countries around the globe when it comes to a history that is less than desirable at its best to heinous at its worst..just because you do not like to hear about it does not make it any less true.
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 5 месяцев назад
History is still so very difficult to communicate that's why we should respect the historians that provide such great maps of the past for us.
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 17 дней назад
Germany has created some of the darkest terrors of recent human history. But when my wife came to Germany to study, the university brought all foreign students in her class first to a former concentration camp and showed them that part of our history. And in the very center of Berlin we have a 19.000 square meter memorial for the murdered jews of the Nazi period. So there is a way to not shy away from the dark deeds of the past. It is the only way to prevent things like this from happening again.
@britzman9905
@britzman9905 5 месяцев назад
I recently moved to a bigger place in the hopes of spending more social time at home. I love going out but there is a certain relaxation I feel only when home. It was hard in a small studio, but now with an extra room, I hope it will be a regular thing. Very interesting points about Korean home life such as the indoor cloths they change into! And living in Seoul vs having a bigger apt. I think here in Busan has a good balance of lots of stuff to do with a decent cost of living.
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard 5 месяцев назад
Big big fan of the 지방!!! Glad you feel at home in your new place.
@glocar243
@glocar243 Месяц назад
Excellent talk. I learned so much here. Thank you to you all. I agree so much with Anton and all of you. So impressed about Anton’s Korean language level too! Such an inspiration. But if there is something I disagree with Anton on is his criticism of Korean Gen z. I think it’s slightly unfair. I’m a teacher myself and, although I don’t teach Korean youth, I know that young people’s resilience is not something that should be automatically expected, but encouraged and nurtured. Yes, the old generation of Koreans are resilient, but they are also inflexible, intolerant and patriarchal. Gen Z is not like that. They have other influences and they should be given the opportunity to flourish, speak and create. They have gone through that gruelling education system in Korea and they have been exposed to such contradictory messages from East and West… I think these guys need time to breathe, travel, explore… Gen Z women have opportunities that their mothers could not have dream of: Isn’t it a bit unfair blaming these young people for being “too soft” when in reality we want them soft enough to make those educational changes in South Korea that prioritise wellbeing and compassion over gruelling prescriptive memorising and inflexible mindset?
@DavidTizzard
@DavidTizzard Месяц назад
I'm glad that you found value in the conversation and, moreover, can take a nuanced view: agreeing with some of what Anton says and pushing back on other things. That, after all, is what he wants. For what it's worth, I share your opinion about young people. That's why I make a conscious effort to invite young people onto my podcast and let them voice their opinions and gain new experiences.
@glocar243
@glocar243 Месяц назад
@@DavidTizzard again, thank you for this podcast. I only found it because I follow David Kim in kpc and I’m really enjoying all your long interviews. I’m a sucker for long form content ☺️
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 17 дней назад
Thank you for the feedback and as David already said a nuanced feedback is always good. It is a long talk and I would not expect anyone to agree with all I say over the course of more than 2 hours. Also I am always happy to be proven wrong. It expands my horizon more than to be praised or agreed with. That said, I try to give Gen Z credit for the things they do right but found it personally difficult to work with in some cases. You talked about softness and stiffness. Maybe ur right, that the older generation is too rigid and stiff at times but in my perception the younger generation is often too soft and gets offended to easily. Being a little older now has also given me (not sure but I hope) a bit of wisdom on life and learning. Life is tough and I think in the case of Korea in general it will get tougher with the coming years. We need people to be strong and face the storm that is coming our way. It does not have to be the same strength of the older generation and maybe sometimes it is better to roll with the punch but nevertheless it will take strength and resilience to get through this. And we need all generations to work together as well. This is not about young against old and picking sides. This is about learning from each other and respecting each other. So again, thank you for your thoughts and always open to learn about things I might be mistaken on.
@glocar243
@glocar243 16 дней назад
@@anton.scholz thank you for replying, Anton. There is a lot to admire about your life and it was great to listen to this conversation. And yes, you’re right, young and old in SK need to communicate. It is a challenge in any society to have an open communication with your parents/children but in traditional societies this is even more difficult as sometimes it is discouraged. Parents and children need to work together to create a better future. I agree with on that. The world is full of dubious sources and everyone needs to be better informed in order to make better decisions. Challenges are better faced when we have knowledge, a sense of belonging and of confidence. Also a sense of purpose and something good to fight for. Children need to learn the errors and successes of their parents’ past and parents need to engage with new social movements and a more global outlook from their children’s present. A culture of inter-generational communication is critical, even if it brings conflict.
@anton.scholz
@anton.scholz 16 дней назад
@@glocar243 Yes, I completely agree. Sadly I think we live in times where things seem to drift apart bit by bit. Politically but also when it comes to generations or gender or race. People "identify" as this and that and it seems to create more division and not unity. I learned so much from my son and I keep doing so. I always listen to him and talk with him when I can. So we learn from each other and cross the divide of age. I hope we can improve in Korea in the coming years and things will not get worse. Already a country where everything used to be "우리" is now much more about "me, me, me". We need to come back to some sense of belonging together and striving towards a common goal and a more harmonious society. And we all can do our part for that...
@user-pc2bx8oh1g
@user-pc2bx8oh1g 2 месяца назад
First of all I want to say that ANTON is a nice name, I like it, it reminds me of Superman. Dictatorship has been a scourge for a very long time, especially in former poor countries Colonialism, whether inherited situationally or spontaneously and sporadically, when power transitions and dictatorships occur means that cynics are silenced systematically and more than It has the power to eliminate the feeling of regret and responsibility for all the crimes that have been committed so that people in power are always addicted to evil And cheating whenever he wants without guilt and regret can be seen everywhere, especially poor people, whether at school, employed in public places, they can't defend themselves. The barbarity of the dictators who thirst for obedience and do not tolerate cynicism and undermine the image and the dictators are difficult to communicate what they want they always overflow Everything is behind after everything doesn't go as it should, which is why dictators often forget their sense of responsibility. Humans are experiencing the evolution of language today and can process ra thoughts A sense of will to do it and expressed in output and input communication so that cognitive can be created that is in line with the will if dictators expect a true obedient person to do it. Well do it with plants or animals they are always ready to be solemnly conditioned. Your homework must be able to make it more concrete but that requires a lot of dollars💸💸💸🇲🇨🤔🤔👍
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