Dragon Age - Battle at Ostagar 

Dragon Age deserves a high budget GOT level TV show.

The game was actually inspired by GoT, but way back when there were just books

@Leocorde Me too. There are a lot of similarities with that battle xD

@Leocorde except dragon age has better writing than what we got in this GoT finale :(

@@HDBeredok i came here to remind myself what competent strategy and writing looks like.

The books are nice too. They were the first one i've red so far and I finished all 4 (the 5th isnt finished in german yet) in 2 months - they all have around 350-500 pages.

Right before EA stole its soul, you mean? Now Bioware kowtows to its finance-driven overlord.

How Do Ya Like Me Now, Chucklehead? Well Mass Effect 2 was pretty good, everything after that was not so.

***** Mass Effect 2 was when EA was still courting BioWare. It was playing nice until it got into her panties. ;)

No doubt. I usually don't like cinematics in games too much, but the ones in Origins blew me aways. There are so many incredible moments in this short cutscene, and the soundtrack definitely does it's part, just epic.

Ben Rejström Oh yes, defiantly.

Ben Rejström Well they don't really look alike, but one thing is for sure, the death would be epic.

LightningSamus Fuck NO, Sean Bean is too cool to be that ashole Loghain, maybe tell the boy who did Joffrey Baratheon to be that crap trator. (both bitches)

LightningSamus No matter how many puppyes he saved before, no horoism makes up for the betrayal of Ostagar. He is the reason, the one to be blamed for the deaths of Cailan, Duncan, the Gray Wardens, all brave soldiers and true heroes fighting for the Ferelden army. And in consequence, he is also to blame for all the dead during the march of the Darkspawn, blamed for all the dead in Lothering and many other cities, all the dead in Denerim as well. So yeah he may have been good once upon a time a long time ago but I wish he died for the Orlesians, that would mean Cailan, Duncan and all else would be alive, also Loghain almost killed the PC in the Tower of Ishal, as he is the one who got the Darkspawn in it.

Haha, I will not read a giant block, nothing you say will redeem his betrayal, all those deaths ARE his fault!

That's hilarious, I'm literally watching my spouse replay DA:O right now. And just got into a fight about DA2. MINDLINK

And, he's right at that part.

Oh no! What is the fight about? It can't possibly be over which one is better. DA:O wins in a landslide.

He has a much more favorable opinion of DA2 than I do.

Ugh...the game was so obviously rushed. The same dungeons were used over and over. I hate how they used "2" to lure in those that played DA:O. It wasn't a sequel, it was Dragon Age: Kirkwall.

Wow, shit, just imagine all the headache that could've been avoided if loghain just let fuckin uldred send a magic flare.

Cailan didn't refuse Orlais's offer for reinforcements. He wanted the Chevaliers to fight with his army at Ostagar. Loghain however made it clear he didn't want Orlais entering Fereldan, and that they WERE going to fight without them. Also, Loghain offered to have his own men light the beacon in the tower. It was fairly obvious that he was planning on betraying Cailan at this battle. He didn't count on Cailan overruling him and sending Alistair (his brother) and the Hero of Fereldan to light the beacon instead.

You should play the game again man, first of all Longhain has all the forces, Teryns, Arls and the King army, they matched almost even in numbers by the looks of the torches, Cailan was stand only with the the Wardens at the Keep. Also the whole "Charge off the Keep for Ferelden" was Longhain plan. So in the end theres no excuses for Longhain retreat, he was planning that since the begin with no heroic intentions, ffs he even spread out the army to the whole Ferelden and let them die.

Martin Hamill weren't we all

@Varga Julian "Why waste an entire army to defend agaisnt the Blight,when i can have the Darkspawn invade my country even further and kill thousands of innocent people and refugees"

smackedinthejaw That's exactly how I feel when I am watching this cutscene. None of the other games has something as epic as this,Great minds think alike :)

+smackedinthejaw That moment when u so loyal to Origins that your profile pic is the pic of one of the berserk abilities. You sir, you are awsome.

Nick Salehi Much obliged!

+smackedinthejaw "SOUND........(slight regret in his voice) The Retreat..." Duncan failed Maric but, avenged his son.

Indeed! ;)

TheDetective TheDetective And Cailan.

TheDetective TheDetective Yes, the death of the traitor was one of the most fulfilling moments of DA: O.

+TheDetective TheDetective Is it a Traitor to believe, TRULY Believe, you are doing the right thing for your nation, for your home, for its people. He believed to a fault that he was saving his home, saving his nation. That does not make him a traitor, it makes him loyal to his nation with terrible judgment.

Whoami691 Wow, ALL trators beleive they are doing the right thing, no matter the excuse, if some one backstabb you for money he will think he is doing right as you don't deserve the money... Loghain is a bitch powerhungry coward!

+MrFantocan To be fair, DAI makes it pretty clear this is supposed to be a grey area: When you ask Solas about what he saw in the memories he found at Ostagar he says he saw a traitor and that he also saw a brave patriot doing a horrible thing to save his nation.

No joke on the second playthrough I did just that! Right before the warden cup drinking the companions were stripped XD

@@ChrisZukowski88 I used to do that on my DVD version of the game, when I bought it again on Steam (for convenience) I figured they've patched it so the stuff automatically goes into your inventory. :)

If I remember right, I THINK you get them in your inventory after the battle I know for Jory and Daveth, they give you their equipment after their failure at the Joining, but it's been years, so I don't remember if the people who helped you at the Tower of Ishal give you their gear lol

Yes, agree. For me, this is right up side-by-side with Theoden's pre-battle speech in RotK.

Lol, same here :D

Y'know..... Loghain gets way too much flak for basicaly being a really apt warlord. I mean what else was he supposed to do? Charge in and die with everyone else, thus pointlessly dying alongside the last standing troops of the kingdom? For blighted Ferelden indeed

Loghain > Alistair

I dont really remember but did not he have most of the forces and thus plan would work if he would do what he was supposed to do? I hope i executed him back when i played it... i am sure i did not recruit him.

technokokos Consider that the darkspawn literally crushed through everything, and you actually need to gather a shitton additional troops to this "most of the forces" Loghain apparently has just to begin having the incling of a chance for victory.

Too bad it's way too long for a movie. Unless they make it a 2-parts or 3-parts movie, and skipped the DLC. However, if one makes a video with the entire game, and deletes any scene including unimportant sidequests or random combat, it could be kinda like that. But then, what about the Warden? He/she doesn't speak at all.

Yea it could be 6 movies in my mind. 1: becoming a grey warden 2: the battle of ostagar and lothering 3: red cliffe castle 4: ozammar 5: brecillian forest 6: the arch demon. Maybe there could be deleted scenes showing alternate ending and a TV show showing the side quest. This is just what I would want to see though

Camaroni1000 Becoming a GW is actually rather short, so it can be put along with the Battle of Ostagar and Lothering. For the rest, howe about 2-hour movies, 1 for the circle and elves, 1 for the dwarves and anvil, 1 for Redcliffe, and 1 for Denerim and the Archdemon. But as a TV show focused on the side quests, it wouldn't be a good idea. It would be very boring. DA2 however would be a perfect TV show.

Ah I see your point

I would make about 5 or 6 movies, 1. Origin/Ostagar/Lothering 2. Redcliff/Circle 3. Sacred ashes/Elves 4. Dwarves and Anvil 5. Denerim/Landsmeet and Arcdemon. 6. Possible DA Awakening movie

Why? Loghain made the right choice here. It was too late to charge in. By the time the signal came, most of the soldiers in the ruins would have been dead already. Had Loghain charged in according to plan, he would be risking _thousands_ of fresh soldiers just to save _hundreds_ who might be too injured to fight another battle. Worse still, they would have achieved *nothing* because killing ten thousand darkspawn does absolutely nothing to stop the Blight - the only way to win is to kill the archdemon behind it.

@@brahmantyoihsan5938 And who’d do you think would be able to kill the Archdemon? All the Wardens that were at the frontline, including Duncan, died, with only the hero and Alistair surviving only to have Loghain blame the Wardens of betraying King Cailan. You Honestly expect a normal army of Ferelden to be able to fix everything after this? At the very least, he should have let the Wardens from Orlais enter Ferelden, rather than stopping them at the border. Normal men with swords can’t beat back an entire Darkspawn Horde without reinforcements.

@@nordicgaming5429 *Loghain had no way of knowing that a Warden is needed to kill the Archdemon - not when the Wardens kept secrets even from their own recruits.* Alistair had been a Warden for at least six months he didn't know about the Joining formula, let alone the Ultimate Sacrifice. "We're the only ones who can kill an Archdemon, because our Joining gave us the ability to do so." Was it so hard to say those words? It won't reveal any secrets like the Joining fatality or the Ultimate Sacrifice.

And fail, thanks to a certain paranoid someone refusing the help from Orlesian Grey Wardens because they were Orlesian.

They are outnumbered and not up in the Fortress (which would be logical in this case), because they had to bait the Darkspawn into an attack, so that the main army can strike from behind and trap them in this narrow path. The plan was good. If only it had worked fully...

Shagon89 It wouldn't have worked. They expected hundreds of Darkspawn, not millions. There were so many, they could be practically seen all over the Korcari Wilds from the bridge (Which, you know, it's very damn high), and those were not even a third of the Horde. They wouldn't have been able to flank them effectively, since they couldn't even see the end of the Horde. There were too many to sucessfully trap them like intended. And that's not bringing the Archdemon. The plan was good, they just underestimated the Darkspawn. It would've been better if someone didn't tell the Orlesian GW reinforcements to fuck off instead of helping them.

***** I guess we will never know.

***** loghain had enough soldier cannon fodder to feed the warden-commander into an archdaemon killing machine, he had enough to stop the blight!

yeah this still one of the best cutscene i ever seen in a game ever

Same.

Wut de fok is a veilguard ?

Yeah, he kinda gives off that villain vibe.

i read the first book in the series for this franchise, the stolen throne, about King Maric and his rebellion against the Orlesians and Loghain was a very good person. He just thought Maric would lead them to destruction.

But he looks so trustworthy with that permanent sneer on his face!

he actually isn't "evil"

Well, Loghain was very mean and betrayed the King, but some argue, that he could do this to save the rest of the army, since this was not a simle Darkspawn raid, it was more like a full scale invasion led by Archdemon...

+Ace132 George thought his whole story already . What you're saying is stupid .

@Bann Teagan gee, that doesn't sound Biased or anything :P

Rest in peace mabaris

We all did

still cant believe these are from the same studio

Cry about it

@@kake1604 we do

@@ОлегТурчев-ц4ш that's why I said it.

He was naive.But Loghain's withdrawal was catastrophic for Ferelden.

Cailan's forces were getting slaughtered long before the signal was lit. By the time that happened, it was far too late. While Loghain's other actions are horrible, his retreat as Ostagar was understandable.

+alexbill1000 I am of the opinion even if loghain went in they probably still would have lost. Loghain was a dick but he was an experienced pragmatist.

DATskorge Correct.But what about when he sent a poisoner to poison Arl Eamon? Yes his withdrawal from the Ostagar battle was a clever move but king Cailan is, well was, a symbol of morale for Ferelden. He could have rescued him and then flee. He did many things that point him out like a traitor. He was thinking for the good of ferelden without thinking its people.He waited for the dark spawn at Denerim while the whole land was on fire.Because of him Lothering will never be civilized again.Because of him so many died and many faced him as a threat because he left the king to die. Cailan was naive and fool to believe that he could defeat the evil but he didn't deserve to die like this. The whole story proves that Loghain went crazy after Ostagar. He was selling his own people as slaves to the Tevinter for money. He left some soldiers to look out grey wardens and not to protect the civilians or at least evacuate them? He poisoned arl Eamon while he could explain him and perhaps convince him to talk to Cailan? He triggered a civil war and let the civilians outside the Denerim to the Maker's mercy. He was thinking for the good of the land but instead he destroyed it.

cailan was an idealist not a strategist, he should've left war planning to his capable father in law and listen to him more often and also fuck loghain who was a narrow minded fool by thinking he could've taken the spawn on his own while throwing the country in a civil war and betraying his king

The 1st game had an amazing story, and set ammo for further titles, the 2nd was also fun, and much less difficult, but had a very petty story for half of it, the other was also amazing, but you half to play to get there. The 3rd was probably convieved before 2, but needed some characters to appear early and yadee da. It is still a good game tho. Basically, Dragon Age is an epic series, with aawe inspiring heroes, and scumbag villans. You can make very interesting friends foes. You can be good or evil. And its your story. I love it. EA might charge a lot of money, but theres no deneying that they make good games.

@@inumi2235 Bioware makes good games. In my eyes, EA takes already great game series and turns them into cash cows that are husks of their former glory. examples: Star Wars Battlefront Dragon Age II (Not saying it's a bad game, but compared to Origins....no) Mass Effect Andromeda I have more, but these are the worst cases, the big reasons I hate EA (and I'm a pretty easy going person, it takes a LOT for me to say that I hate something)

this Cinematic set standards 95% of games period can't reach.

amarillo315 why not?

Except Orlais wanted to help then and there but Loghain screwed that up too. We would've had more help.

@@NCMonefaith Orlais did not want to help, it wanted to conquer and exploit the blight in its favour.

The Darkspawn were what cemented the tone of the first game. There was a dark, sober maturity to it all: stop them, or the world dies in a tide of blood. They were relegated to minor nuisance in the next two installments, and those games' respective villains don't hold a candle to them.

bclinguist Exactly. It's why I love the darkspawn in Origins. Which is why I'm hoping the next game revolves around the next blight with darkspawn once again terrorizing the land.

r.i.p. Too bad they forgot about the beginning of the series about what made it so great in the first place

bclinguist They take time to rebuild. Two blights in 10 years? Where are the grey wardens to stop them? In DA: I the Grey wardens (SPOILER ALRET) are tricked into sacrificing themselves - For the most part anyway.

+Peter Feher Wow, thank you for the upvotes and responses! I finished the game a few weeks ago, so I can post my opinion of DA:I. It was good, but it was also bleeding from several wounds. Mostly technical ones. I started playing months after the release, in hopes of avoiding them, but with no avail. First, bugs everywhere, and the graphical ones were the least of the problems. Companions frequently froze in combat, where I had to give a "jump" order to 'unfreeze' them, NPC-s glitched through obstacles and/or teleported; if the game didn't like where I casted a spell, it just teleported me elsewhere, and these happened frequently. (Or was it just my copy?) Second, the tactical camera was terrible, I won't even start saying why, if you played the game, you know already. But the game itself was complex, huge, and calling for you to explore it. The lore is still there, plus we got a crafting system, and I could go on and on, as this game had a lot of content. 7/10. Without the technical problems it could've been a 8.5/10, so in my opinion it still wouldn't have been as good as Origins, mostly for the reasons I wrote in the main comment.

id have a better out look of him if he had expressed any sorry for leaving his best friends son to die on a battlefield. the game just gave the impression he was power hungry. He needed more emotion besides angry old man who hates orlais

@@224224josh you only see his regrets and self-hatred if you recruit him.

@@224224josh That's kinda the point. He believed it was the right call - and technically, it was. The archdemon wasn't present and there was no guarantee that charging would have won them the skirmish to begin with. Cailan had no reason to lead the charge other than his fantasy of a heroic death 'ending the blight' (that they couldn't end there in the first place). To make it worse, you only discover Cailen's own ambitions in Return To Ostagar, so he gets to be a martyr and Loghain the villain. What followed was Loghain's ignorance of how a blight actually worked, trying to kill the only group who could properly an archdemon (and all the rest).

Dragon age 2 didn't have a lot of development time and was rushed, inquisition is their first time going open world and they tried to appeal to casuals, they've already noted a lot of the mistakes in inquisition like the mmo quests so i think da4 may surpass or at least equal origins based on them learning from their mistakes and having more time to make it

If there ever will be DA4 (And gods do I hope so)

hopefully they do Zeeshan, hopefully they do.

Oh yea because 2 blights in the space of a few years DEFIANTLY wouldn't have bitches like yourself crying about shit.... But please continue.

Oh look. A unnecessarily aggressive person. What a sight to behold.

Excluding the Dalish armour...

@@thejohnhopkinscompany9599 yeah i hated all the leather armors.

In Inquisition they even amke fun of those skimpy armour, you can find a corpse with chainmail bikini in storm coast XD

Поэтому и нет такого сильного интереса и атмосферы, чтобы продолжать играть в Инквизицию. Здесь такая мрачная атмосфера, чувство безысходности, угроза для всего живого, которая продвигается все дальше. Все идеально обыграно, что из-за сюжета закрываешь глаза на некоторые недостатки, такие как долгая беготня по коридорам, в эту игру хочется и хочется играть снова и снова. Даже до мелочей, эта стилистика доспехов, гейм дизайн с уклоном на средневековье, к примеру двуручное оружие является тяжелым для персонажа, а он не бьет им как бумажным, как в инкивизиции. Из всего это строится идеальная игра, но чего к сожалению видимо не поняли разработчики..

They were led by an idiot king who insisted on fighting on the front line despite having no heir. A king. Without heir. Fighting on the front line.

It wouldn't have worked. By the time the signal was lit, most of the Grey Wardens and the King's force would have perished already. The Hammer and Anvil strategy would have failed because the "Anvil" had been broken. Waiting for Orlais' reinforcement was not an option, because: 1. First and foremost, the darkspawn would not wait for them to be ready. The reinforcement would never have made it in time for the battle of Ostagar. 2. There would not be any trust or cooperation between the two armies, given their recent history in the Fereldan Occupation and Rebellion. 3. Orlais may use this opportunity to invade Ferelden again, despite the ongoing Blight. 4. Accepting the reinforcement means Ferelden would be heavily indebted to Orlais. Refusal to pay this debt means Orlais would have casus belli to restart the war, and Ferelden would lose any support or justification for the next rebellion.

Spoken like a true self entitled brat who can't see how amazing DA:I was....

Hahaha good one, you almost got me here. The only amazing thing about DA:i is how it got GOTY award, maybe not even that since we all know that game awards ain't shit. Gotta admit, bards song were cool, but that's all this game had to offer. PS. I wouldn't even know about your reply, but notifications are back and now i can participate in futile internet arguments.

i liked awakening.

Yeah but it still was only an game expansion.

Standalone, if I am ot mistaken.

The tactic itself was not bad, it's the execution that went terribly wrong. They were supposed to stand their ground and lure the darkspawn into a killzone. Loghain would then deliver the decisive blow with his men while the enemy is trapped between the two forces and the fortress wall. Simply put, it was a "Hammer and Anvil" strategy. Unfortunately, they made some fatal mistakes. Not only did the defenders charged forward and away from the fortress wall, the Wardens also failed to light the beacon in time. By the time the signal came, most of the defenders would have died already; their "Hammer and Anvil" strategy would not work because the "Anvil" had been broken.

Bruh that part always breaks my heart lol I would've been charging in with them

Could you really blame Loghain for not knowing how the Blight worked, when the Grey Wardens kept their secrets to themselves? Heck, Alistair had been a Warden for six months by the time of DA:O, and he didn't know what goes inside the Joining potion. Besides, it's not as if Loghain's distrust of the Wardens was completely unfounded. The Wardens once put Maric in harm's way by taking him on their expedition to the Deep Road (the Calling novel), and Sophia Dryden led the Wardens into rebelling against King Arland, despite their oath of neutrality.

I agree Loghain, for all his military smarts, didn't think through that the political ramifications render his military decisions useless if the nobility won't unite behind him. He did what was necessary, by sparing a good reinforcement army from being massacred, but sending a horse or something to sound the retreat for Cailin's remaining forces might've saved some extra good men and women, allowed the Grey Wardens to at least corroborate his decision to retreat, and convince the other Banns to work towards a new solution... But his own frustration towards Cailin's fascination with Grey Wardens caused him to be blind to the fact that they weren't the problem in the first place, and he caused so much unneeded strife after Ostagar that he could've not only remained alive, but also cemented his position as Hero. EDIT: I read above that the Grey Wardens did play a part in the rebellion against Arland, so it makes a bit more sense... but considering the only two survivors were newer recruits, rather than seasoned Grey Warden veterans, I would imagine that blaming it solely on them wasn't exactly a wise decision and he could've at least had two more able bodies in his own armies.

+The Elder Scrolls Not at all, LotR would never have the balls to show all the heroes defending Helm's Deep dieing, and Gandalf never showing up.

the opening of this is basically rehashed 2 towers footage

And? What's wrong with it?

rehashed for a different reason or not it would still get a ding on gaming sins :P

Who cares? It is breathtakingly brilliant nevertheless.

2 did feel small. Wished I wasn't so worried about messing something up, or I'd be 5 or 6 playthroughs in on Inquisition and Origins.

The vanilla ending to inquisition kinda stuck tho

@@authorofgriz da2 has rushed development I think they made the game in 8 months

@YoungMrBlue with how well I think I was doing on the easiest difficulty (I play for items and story), I can believe that. The quest in this mountain pass during the Qunari invasion really didn't stick out to me until now. Area felt small.

How so? They made it pretty clear that the only way to end a Blight is to kill the archdemon behind it. Even if they kill every darkspawn in Ostagar - and I highly doubt they could - what then? The Fifth Blight horde was said to be even greater than any of previous ones, surpassing even the First Blight horde (Codex entry: Stalata Negat) - and in the First Blight horde was large enough to wage war against all of Thedas for 190 years. Ten thousand casualties or so means nothing to the darkspawn.

King Cailen was a great man and a terrible King. He truly believed justice, honor, and heroes would be the save all to his Nation's problems. He lacked the pragmatism of Loghain, and Loghain lacked the empathy of Cailen. They were two halves of what makes a good Monarch.

In Loghain's mind, Cailan was going to be the doom of the Ferelden that Loghain and Maric(Cailan's father) fought so hard to free. Cailan was going to allow the Orlesians into Ferelden to aid in the fight against the Blight but Loghain believed that the Orlesians would use that opportunity to reconquer Ferelden. Loghain also believed Cailan was too naive to defeat the darkspawn and that naivete would lead to the Darkspawn destroying Ferelden. So Loghain believed it was either choose to side with a King who would doom Ferelden or choose the country and save it himself.

Andrew Vincent Except Loghain was wrong. His distrust and prejudice gave way to paranoia and self-delusion, culminating in this betrayal of his king and the civil war that followed. The irony is his actions nearly caused the destruction of Ferelden, the kingdom he professed to be loyal to, and the entire world along with it.

@Bann Teagan uh.... pretty sure that's your headcanon.