FeeFo: FOR ME, I have no problem with this. FOR ME, I'm a Drake fan. Drake bumps in the whip, and FOR ME, Kid Cudi shouldn't have came for Drake. As the youngest one at the table, FOR ME, that line though....FOR ME, that line was fire!
There is a slight difference. If I were to say, "shut your retarded ass up," to a normal person. At most some people would ask me not to say that word. But if I said that to an actual mentally disabled person I would be heavy judged for that. If Drake said this 3 months ago no one would care. There is a difference. Even though Cudi stated (as far as we know)
It's like when a rapper talks about their emotions like Cage they are called emo. But yeah, rapping about killing people and having sex with someone's girl isn't just a dumb way to deal with you emotions and having no father. Rappers are almost ''emo'' inherently and are hypocrites.
+Misty Dusk You sound fucking stupid. People are emotional period. You get emotional shit in every genre. Hip Hop is just one where the emotions are easier to see.
I never said people weren't. I'm saying people act like rappers AREN'T emotional and then when someone makes songs about how they feel everyone calls them emo which is a dumb term. You didn't get my point.
Just throwing this out there but Noah "40" (Drakes producer) came out and said that Kanye's writing credit is just for some drum sounds Kanye gave him that he used on the track. He didn't actually write anything
baghel true, but a drake gets a lot of media attention most other rappers don't and therefore that media constructs a sissy whiny narrative that people eat up and run with
GeorgetheGreat like they said it shouldn't have taken that long for drake diss him and if drake won he would've been looked at as a bully but if he didn't he been seen as a wimp
+Dezz Carter you Should ashamed of yourself all around, go look in the mirror and apologize, then come back and apologize to me, don't worry tho it happens we all do it sometimes. You good kid tho God bless you
you can't defend drake from outsiders to hip hop complaining about his diss track, because he's a mainstream act. He has crossed over to pop so he has a pop audience with different sensibilities. If he still wants to do rapper shit as a popstar fine, but it should be understood this kind of criticism comes with the territory imo
Kid Cudi shouldn't be focusing on a beef if he's in rehab. Like is it really helping him? Because if so, he wouldn't be doing this and just focus on his mental health
Jay Romeo Okay Look I'm Kid Cudi Big fan Speedin Bullet was good album by him period but it's something I can enjoy because of the words he in that album
I mostly agree but u have to remember a lot of Drake and cudi fans are removed from traditional Hip-Hop. Drake never was Pac or Biggie, half of his fan base is kids and teenage girls and with his high position people are going to want him to be more progressive and not just conforming to what's expected from rappers.
Drake isn't being treated unfairly either, yes it could've gone bad either way he went about it but it's in large part due to the way he's shaped his recent career. He let himself get backed into this corner.
ERRoN KiNG LMFAOO yet you werent saying this shit when drake was acting JUST LIKE CUDI when common dissed him, they both even used the "say it to my face" line, "its rap" LMAO kid you dont know what rap is, you dont DISS someone's mental illness WHILE they're in the hospital, kids and people who cant defend themselves are off limits, and most rappers will tell you that, drake writes the most indirect bars to common and kendrick yet goes straight to cudi, LMAO fuck drake , and cudi isnt a rapper, take your L
I can't believe it took them 7 minutes to get to the Mobb Deep Sickle Cell line. That was the first thing that came into my head. And yes Drake and Joe Budden did have a personal relationship.
The "Drake hate" has reached a point where it now is just nonsensical criticism and beration just because people are tired of seeing and hearing him. Drake is suffering from winners fatigue. It happened to Ye, Jay, Em, 50 LL, Run etc you name it... In the following years we will see soo many artists trying to knock him off but I believe Drake will ultimately be the cause of his own demise (as far as being THE biggest hip hop artists on the planet).
Just to clarify, 40 explained Kanye's writing and producer credits. 40 used some drums that Ye had gave him a while back before all of this, so that counted.
hugh mungas yeah but never actually wrote for the song , he had just produced it with Noah 40 (Drake's producer) and since he's an artist they get producing and writings credits hence kanyes name in the song. Noah 40 explains this himself on rap Genius if you wanna check it out
Drake is not just a hip hop artist, he is also a r&b/pop artist. Alot of the negative backlash Drake got from the news/socail media were from hip hop outsiders: people that are unaware with what is and isn't acceptable in hip hop. (Mainstream audience) From a hip hop standpoint of view, Drake was in his full right to responding to a diss from another rapper, espicailly since Cudi came at him first. But Drake isn't just a rapper, he also has to respond to fan base/audience thats not hip hop. Obviously this audience is very PC over going after someone's mental illness. People have been whining that Drake is put in a position where he is either soft if he doesn't respond, or that he is a bully if he does. Well you gotta look at who the audience is in each case.
Drake jokes about mental health: “oh he’s a bully” Pusha T jokes about drakes sick friend dying: “This is hiphop” Literally go watch both videos and that’s what happened
Hip hop Fan Not saying that i meant that if Pusha T came out with a ether diss track Drake might has a choice either to respond or just throw in the towel.
Hip hop Fan I mean Drake did throw shots at Pusha T in a song and people are waiting for Pusha to respond to Drake. Drake on the other hand i'd leave it alone and see what Pusha would do.
There's a huge difference between picking on someone who can't defend themselves and threatening violence. "Violence" will always be more respected in HIP-HOP because it's a two way street. You don't get no clout for picking on someone who can't defend themself. It's like picking on the disabled kids in high school. You don't get no fucking props for that. Ever.
Also, you can't pick and choose when to include Drake in hiphop. When he disses Cudi he's hiphop... but since when is using ghostwriters hiphop??? He's a pop artist. So you can miss me with that other rappers have said worse shit. Tell me what other pop artist has said worse.
It's not that he said something back. It's the fucking timeline that makes it so much worse. It's so pussy to drop that shit while the world knows Cudi is in rehab for depression.
TrulyGully drake didn't even dedicate whole song to cudi, just 4 fucking lines WOOOOW so disrespectful. Do you think he has time to respond to whoever dosses him on time. I don't like Drake but ppl are funny
I don't disagree with Myke but I think SOMETIMES when a rapper ''threatens'' violence it's just on wax. I remember Method Man talking about how the intro for Method Man on Wu Tang's album came to be because people would get into fights over personal jokes. So instead they would do general meaningless shit like, ''I'll sew your asshole close and keep feeding you''. But I think in hip hop we do have a disconnect of fantasy and reality especially when it comes to diss tracks. When 2pac threatened violence you know he was going to throw down. But some rappers are just talking about lyrically beating you and it's meaningless then possibly someone doesn't take it that way THEN a fight happens. Hip Hop is a genre I love but a lot of hypocrisy makes me find it to be one of the worst cultures people take too seriously.
Everyone forgets how disrespectful battle rap gets. Anyone remember how Arsonal disrespected Mistah Fab by saying shit about Fabs dead parents and his daughter?
I don't think a lot of rap fans understand how things get credited in the liner notes. Maybe that's related to folks buying digital or streaming and not reading what goes on behind the scenes. Some records have writer creds for samples, some don't, for example.
yo this is off topic but y'all should have a lottery or sweepstakes for people who contribute to your show or patreon or whatever avenue you guys choose in which said contributors can possibly be chosen to do a review or a discussion video with you guys.
Although it was messed up what drake said Cudi did kind of asked for it in that tweet saying if you have a problem use your voices that might not be the exact words but it's something like that
People will never be satisfied. Haters used to say he's to soft now he's going too far for dissing a man in rehab. The diss wasn't even that harsh people
MyAccount217 nobody is salty 😭 I'm just saying why can't someone be different why be a generic rapper and only plz ppl in the hip hop community when u can do rap, r&b, and make ur name known to people in different genres of music. Drake is known in rap, r&b, pop, dancehall, and even that one spanish song
i don't have a problem with the fact that drake dissed cudi; mental illness or not. I have a problem with drake seeming to almost exclusively diss those that are obviously not on his lyrical level or, like cudi, when they're at a weak personal point. secondly, producers get writing credits. it doesn't mean they had a heavy hand in the lyrics. A producer might just give advice on how the flow should go with the beat or how the hook should go. Drake is a fucking bully. third, fuck PC culture.
Devon Saunders I did say "almost". his moves are definitely calculated. the mainstream won't really care if he wins or loses a beef with common, budden et al. A kendrick, j. Cole or asap tho... even his Jay disses are just mild jabs.
you need to realize it's these people that are starting the beef first Drake didn't start anything it's everyone else so he's not choosing who he goes after
Jose Ordonez I’m sorry but youre completely wrong. Yeah a lot of artists have ghost writers but you seriously think that NOBODY in hip hop writes all of their own lyrics? A lot of artists write, produce, and mix everything they do, what would make you think that nobody out there is able to even write for themselves?
"Anybody got a issue with my words im glad. If you feel me, dont be scared to use your voice. I was for so long out of blind loyalty" -Kid Cudi 2016 Nigma.
myke says 'no one said anything when nas called jay-z gay-z'. just because u didn't hear gay kids complain, doesn't mean it didn't hurt them. it's not about 'oh, be politially correct' it's about making gay people feel like there's something wrong with them. just cause young gay black kids didn't have as much of a voice back then, don't mean 'no one said anything'
It's not just about Cudi, though. His checking himself into rehab shed light on mental illness in the black community in general. Drake's diss shifted the focus away from that and onto the usual drama. I think that's where the issues come from.
At first I was with cudi but then I thought about how cudi was the one who instigated it and Drake was just protecting his brand. just think back to when Jay dissed nas by saying he left condoms by his baby seat or 2pacs whole career plus then cudi trying to issue out fades from rehab like he a mob boss but you ducking the 1 on 1 with lupe from that perspective it looks like the actions of a sane man with a monster ego I'm sorry call me what you want or refer to my name but I lost respect for cudi. furthermore I would like to point out when drake doesn't reply he's soft but when he does he's a bully. p.s. If you guys are reading this kanye was not a writer for that song the producer of the song clear that up already.
The issue in a Kdot - Drake beef is that the industry don't want that to happen because nobody benefits from that money wise. Dre invested in Drake (Apple Music) but is Kdots mentor. Dre, and all the people who invest in Drake are not going to let somebody fuck with their money. That's why Pusha is denying going at Drake everytime they ask him.
The only reason why people are crying about Drake saying mean things, is just because Drake is usually the "nice kid". Now people are SHOCKED he's saying such "mean things"! How dare sweet little Drake be a meanie in a song.
"Don't one of you niggaz got sickle cell or somethin? You fuckin with me nigga you fuck around and have a seizure or a heart-attack. You better back the fuck up, before you get smacked the fuck up" Love that line in Hit'em Up
This is whole thing is a joke. Drake is trash regardless. Cudi lost his credibility by replying despite being in "Rehab". People need to move on and talk about the real Beef in Hip Hop..LIL YACHTY AND SOULJA BOY
MrKing8050 it's not that drake dissed cudi. in hip hop, if someone calls you out, you respond on a track. my issue with this beef is that drake chose to diss Cudi right after going into rehab. it'd be like if Cudi wanted to fight drake, but drake wasn't saying nothing then Cudi broke his leg and then drake comes out with wanting to fight
I don't fucking understand how anyone is going to slander drake for this specific beef . Cudi started it . Can we all respect that Drake never responds to beef on social media ? He always replies with a track . Second of all why is Cudi all of a sudden throwing shots at Drake when his album is coming out ? I don't give a fuck if he's mentally depressed, if he started some shit the opposition has the right to respond .
Did everyone forget when Blu went on his twitter rant and dissed the shit out of Alchemist and Evidence? Al & Ev went on afterwards to say Blu wasn't in a good mental health state and they didn't retaliate.
I think the thing that fucks it up more is Drake's ignorance towards the reality of mental illness. Telling somebody theyre going through a phase and telling them to stand up cause they're weak isn't just disrespectful but also perpetuates false understandings of mental health.
lemzitv it's not about that this is hip hop if your offended get the fuck out of hip hop nobody give a fuck about what you going thru nobody tryna be nice to you lol
AeRa LVN yeah, i know that, Its tit for tat, say what you like. I do music i see it all the time. Original point is alluding to the fact that here Drake doesn't know what he's talkin about on the specific issue, not that he shouldnt mention mental health or respond at all.
