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The Ringer's J. Kyle Mann discusses Draymond Green's role in the Pace and Space paradigm shift from the last decade. In this clip from the thinking basketball podcast, we also discuss how paradigm shifts can "recycle," with the old becoming the new, and whether Draymond was merely lucky to come along at the right time and place (Golden State), or did he push a new paradigm forward by adapting to the newer game?
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@derptroll012 2 года назад

LOL you KNEW he was talking about Baby Sabonis but used a Papa Sabonis clip anyways 🤣

@ThinkingBasketball 2 года назад

Well he should have been thinking of Arvydas.

@mh4oliveira 2 года назад

Hey, now that it seems Harden's best days are well behind him I would love to see a deep dive on his game. I think this channel would be perfect for delivering an objective view of this very polarizing player

@clevisbernier8973 2 года назад

I concur.

@Homer-OJ-Simpson 2 года назад

I’d love to see not only a video of Hardens game in his prime but also how it’s changed as he’s older. The explosiveness he lost.

@MrE_ 2 года назад

@@Homer-OJ-Simpson is he still injured or something? He changed drastically in the past couple years

@clevisbernier8973 2 года назад

@@MrE_ His instincts to draw fouls with non basketball movements is hurting him a lot more now for one.

@mh4oliveira 2 года назад

@@MrE_ I think it is a combination of factors. He got massively worse in just one off-season after that injury so I think that is a pretty big factor. He is also getting older and changed his game style. He's been much more pass first in Brooklyn and philly, which is good when other players are shining but bad when they're not, like in game 6 against Miami

@chrissullivan6572 2 года назад

You and Kyle are 2 of my favorite people to listen to talk hoops.

@Goose21 2 года назад

Kyles analogies and that soothing southern voice is just too good

@iam2951 2 года назад

My favourite guy from the Ringer and my favourite bball channel together!!!!! I hope J Kyle Mann is always on the podcast!!!!

@Eu023 2 года назад

No one makes videos like this. Loved the old school examples

@alandpost 2 года назад

This is what NBA TV should be

@Nabe89 2 года назад

This version of the pod; supporting your takes with quality visualisation - showing your level of understanding of the X and Os of the game, this is what I'm truly here for as a foreign supporter and fan of the NBA! Thank you for explaining fully and clearly without talking down to us as an audience. Much love from Denmark

@sujalgautam9761 2 года назад

He is the most unique player ever. Period He is a point forward, he facilitates like a point guard on the offensive side of the ball and an absolute demon on defense guarding all positions. How many players like that have we seen ever?

@mitchellholcomb1561 2 года назад

Only person that comes to mind is Kevin Garnett, and they are very, very different players. Especially since Kevin didn’t actually employ his point forward capabilities very often, as he tended to play alongside strong PGs. He certainly has the ability though, and flexed it occasionally.

@jesustenes2 2 года назад

Pippen and Garnett come to mind as all-time switchable great defenders (Pippen being the weakest since I don't think he could actually defend the 5) with a strong offensive package not centered around scoring (Green being the weakest of the three)

@Davivd2 2 года назад

You are right. He's the most versatile player ever. I've never seen a defender that can guard every position as well as Draymond can. I've never seen a power forward that can lead the team in assists from the high post elbow position and push the ball up the floor as a playmaker on the fast break. I think that Lebron James could learn from Draymond as he is aging. If Lebron would operate from that high post elbow with off ball cutters it would add longevity to his game. It would certainly help the Lakers out. Trying to fill out a team of 3 and D players on veteran minimum contracts isn't working for them. Using a Warriors style offense with Lebron at the elbow would help those non shooters score from off ball movement.

@Titan2User 2 года назад

Ben Simmons, Bam adebayo, Giannis can gurad 3-5

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

Draymond was a great fit for GS, just like GS was a great fit for him! Remember Steph is really an undersized SG & w/Draymond's offensive PG abilities it's a perfect fit! NTM defensively he plays like a PF or C......he was definitely a rose🌹in concrete find for the dubs!

@DeathShovelDance 2 года назад

To tie into the end of the video @6:22 My dad always said "the techniques may vary, but the principles remain the same"

@obnoxiouslakerfan 2 года назад

Thank you Ben for standing up for Draymond. He’s so far from a bystander to history, and he’s been as influential to warriors success as curry. That’s not controversial - there’s copious evidence that he is the warriors most valuable two way player all the time on their championship runs

@blacknetsmed 2 года назад

Not a huge fan of Kyle Mann, too much narrative and storytelling with him and not enough legitimate data to back it up with.

@delriowav 2 года назад

@@blacknetsmed // why are you lying? he uses a lot of data, normally towards the end of his videos

@greyklopstock7155 2 года назад

He would've been finals MVP hands down in 2016 had we won. In fact, you could make the argument he still was, as that game he missed likely would've been won had he been there

@ryankirkpatrick8489 2 года назад

I can’t go to as influential as Curry cuz Curry has influenced an entire generation of high school kids and has literally changed the way defences defend guards but Draymond has definitely been the 2nd most influential player of the Golden State Dynasty.

@obnoxiouslakerfan 2 года назад

@@ryankirkpatrick8489 that’s a fair point since curry has influenced players at literally every single level, but draymond has done more than anyone to change the way that nba defenses and lineups work at the highest level. Positionless basketball, small ball, and big men who can float around the perimeter wouldn’t be as recognized without draymond’s singular influence. Shooting 3s is a trend that still would’ve arisen, though maybe not as precipitously, if we didn’t have curry and instead just saw the trend in guards like dame, harden, kyrie, etc.

@Homer-OJ-Simpson 2 года назад

6:28 “there are only so many notes on the scale”. That’s true of so much of life. I’ve always thought the same about movies - there is hardly anything original because there have been enough movies that all the major “notes” have been used. The differences in movies is the little things and the execution of those “notes”. And over time, certain “notes” in movies become more popular or more appealing so you see a shift. Same with basketball. Most notes have been tried in basketball but they change the notes on offense when defenses change their notes or nba rules change the game a bit.

@darrengordon-hill 2 года назад

C major chord: C-E-G, E-G-C, G-C-E. Not mentioned: octave, velocity, duration or instrument... And that's how the same chord progressions dominate pop songs.

@Homer-OJ-Simpson 2 года назад

@@darrengordon-hill yup, same concept. A lot of music sounds like other music. A lot of movies appear like other movies. Basketball is no different

@naderabouhassan3875 2 года назад

Thinking Basketball!!! Please post more during these off days, in between rounds it will explode your channel , amazing content!

@randomthings7875 2 года назад

I love your take on Draymond. He is my favorite player.

@jamesR1990 2 года назад

This is the duo I've been waiting to see collaborate! Great stuff J Kyle Mann also has THE best voice for radio etc

@Davivd2 2 года назад

It's funny to think that Mike Brown was fired from the Lakers for running the Princeton offense and now it's become a paradigm shift in the league. Mike Brown is such an underrated coach and I wish that the Lakers had been patient with him and given that team time to adjust to his offensive scheme.

@t4d0W 2 года назад

LOL Lakers and patience is like some oxymoron in modern basketball. yeah they had the patience to stockpile their young talents so when Lebron came to town, they used all those assets to get him an elite second option and ultimately get the Lakers a chip. But not take into account of maintaining their champion form via roster building without other assets.

@mitchellholcomb1561 2 года назад

I would love to see a video where you detail a few players that you think are better than their current role, and your take on whether that factor is beneficial to their team or simply wasted potential that could shine more elsewhere or with some peripheral changes.

@mcpokeman 2 года назад

Now this is a collab for the ages

@cannedpineapple2702 2 года назад

Love the old school Marlins cap!! I wish they had kept that color scheme. I remember when they won the world series in 03 i was a little kid all the cars were honking, good times.

@craigbatchelor8071 2 года назад

Hot take in-coming Draymond is top 75

@TheMissinLink 2 года назад

He should’ve made it over someone like Dame. But so should have Dwight and Joker.

@ThinkingBasketball 2 года назад

@@TheMissinLink I put him on my hypothetical 75 ballot last fall on the podcast.

@sanders4523 2 года назад

Two of my favourite basketball minds, this was awesome

@futurehofer1564 2 года назад

Ben Taylor and J Kyle Mann??? Basketball heaven

@michaelbarnes2126 2 года назад

Ayeeeeeee my two favorite RU-vid analysts you guys are amazing

@Underdog_Basketball 2 года назад

Love the analogy! It's so true. How do you see movement concepts evolving into something we haven't seen before? Do we need that 4 point line? Or change or idea of positions? Like what if we had a lineup with only point guards under 6' 3"?

@kingtreys1270 2 года назад

I said it once and I’ll say it again. The most IMPACTFUL non STATISTICAL player in the history of the league ! Period.

@patrickvelasco4727 2 года назад

Offenive wise. Draymond needs a very specific system for him to excel. Excellent passer but a very limited scorer, poor floor spacer. Many teams will have a hard time using him on offense. But defensive wise, the man's a genius.

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

He & GS were the perfect fit for each other. Steph is really an undersized SG & w/Draymond's court vision & PG abilities it developed into championship chemistry!

@charles9489 2 года назад

"Excellent Passer" lol he is merely good. Chris Paul is an example of an excellent Passer.

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

@@charles9489 Comparing draymond to CP3 🤔? Compare CP3 to Rondo...... that's a better comparison, I'd go w/Rondo tho'!

@charles9489 2 года назад

@@theALMIGHTY987 was speaking about passing ability not position. Ok what about jokic then, after all Draymond is a "big" like jokic so if you're concerned about position then there is ur modern comparison.

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

@@charles9489 That's no comparison between Draymond & Jokic, the resumes don't balance out! Draymond's abilities have been a key🗝️component to 5 appearances in the finals & 3 confetti 🎉🎊parties.....what has Jokic done🤔?

@alectateformayor5129 2 года назад

This is awesome

@tommythomasson1 2 года назад

One question from someone who never played Basketball at high level, but who has watched Basketball for decades: is it possible that many of these "going back into the 60´s or 70´s and focus on ball-movement strategies" were caused by small rule changes regarding defense that had an enormous influence on the game ? The "iso-ball-era" has been finished, the game became faster and more dynamic. Maybe that opened up the opportunity to focus more an ball-movement, team tactics and much more.

@ThinkingBasketball 2 года назад

I think the space has definitely helped, yes!

@davidmadeira6442 2 года назад

love the defensive breakdown content as well as draymond content!!

@understandunderstand1271 2 года назад

Great stuff

@fhjunior6183 2 года назад

Thanks for the vid

@moskosmash2697 2 года назад

So first of all J Kyle Man? Sweet! I think there are so many great players nowadays that they are more even like back in the day and it led to more motion offense

@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 2 года назад

Daaaaang, it's my first time seeing Kyle!!! (And he was ressurected) It's crazy to see how much older these guys are from what you imagine

@Chronz 2 года назад

You thought they were children with how well spoken they are? Dafuq

@GustavoSilva-ny8jc 2 года назад

@@Chronz 3 things: 1. Kids is a stretch, 2. Yes, kids also can talk well, 3. It wasn't always like this, their delivery, development and overall knowledge of the game grew a lot over the years (duh).

@Chronz 2 года назад

@@GustavoSilva-ny8jc "can also talk well" isn't how you logically deduce when guessing. Most kids don't speak as well as grown folks is the far more important fact. I've listened to them for years and debated them on forums before the podcasts. I don't see what the fuck you're saying but even if this were my first time, I wouldn't think they were young lol. Check out RU-vid youth on basketball, there's a huge difference in delivery and quantitative understanding.

@onelove2230 2 года назад

Love this player archetype

@abeljohnbormate1212 2 года назад

OMG. these 2 are my favorite Bball RU-vid Analysis Creators.

@danielgalea8499 2 года назад

When I was younger, one of the guys who stood out for being a high post hub, was Chris Webber. Divac was also great from there, and having both together (and then Brad Miller) was overkill. But Webber combined it with great scoring skills.

@gta4life112 2 года назад

HOLY SHIT DREAM COLLAB FOR ME! Love both yalls content!

@frankenviews4069 2 года назад

It's been around forever. Sure traditionally, every team wanted a big man to score since George Mikan. But in the situation where your best scorers aren't 7 footers in your front court, the point forward in a small ball line up has been the other option. 6'10 Bill Russell would protect the rim and lead the fast break off the defensive stop. He was never the leading scorer of his Celtics dynasty. Magic won the Lakers game six of his first NBA Finals by playing point forward in small ball line up. The 90's Bulls had Rodman and Scottie coordinating the defense and offense in a small ball line up.

@KumarDamani 2 года назад

Could also throw in Lamar Odom into the mix during the Kobe/Lakers dynasty though his defensive impact doesn't really compare to Greens.

@jayjonah83 2 года назад

From doing what research I could on Bill Russell I understand why the old heads called him one of the greatest ever. He would be great in this iteration league. He really was a larger Bam Adebayo in the way he was a general on defense and could push the ball off the rebound

@mintesinotsturm388 2 года назад

@@jayjonah83 not even a larger Bam. They are both listed as 6’9.

@jayjonah83 2 года назад

@@mintesinotsturm388 idk why I always thought he was closer to 6'11"

@t4d0W 2 года назад

@@KumarDamani If you think about it half court wise, it was Odom and Gasol as reliable big man passers. Phil could also go real big and play Odom/Gasol/Bynum too.

@BisyBackson365 2 года назад

I know you two were just bouncing the concept back and forth. But specifically big passing and IQ. I immediately think of The Joker Jokic.

@WhoAreYou905 2 года назад

Loved the video! I have a video suggestion, can you make a video about Desmond Bane? He made a huge improvement from his rookie season to now, he went from averaging 9 points to 18 points. In the playoffs, he was shooting beyond 40% from deep, averaged 18 but had games where he was hot 🔥 He’s a lethal scoring shooter, kind of like a Eric Gordon/Klay Thompson hybrid. He’s an absolute tank, he stands at 6’5 but 220 pounds maybe even 230. He can sort of guard a few positions. Please make a video on him

@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14 2 года назад

He always reminded me a bit of Anthony Mason. Draymond was a bit more of a leaper, and he is a better ball handle, while Mase was a better scorer and might have even quicker feet, but there are some antecedents present. I would've liked to see the Nellie experiment last a bit longer, but you had a great player like Ewing but it was a different era. I remember how Riley used him as a center and when he was with the Hornets and Knicks he had some stretches guarding Pippen and Jordan as well as opposing Power Forwards and Centers. Draymond and the Warriors took it much further and obviously the era plays a big part as well. I can see Mase averaging like 17, 9 and 5 to 7 assist in this era or I can just as easily picture him being glued to the bench because of foul trouble. As much as it pains me as someone from The 'Land, even going back to MSU I've been a Draymond fan.

@Davivd2 2 года назад

Yeah Draymond reminds me a bit of Mason too. Certainly when it comes to their body type. I also think back to Oliver Miller. Those few years where he was getting in shape Miller was doing Draymond type things on offense for the Suns.

@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14 2 года назад

@@Davivd2 Miller was a surprisingly good shot blocker when he was in shape.

@willhooke 2 года назад

Mason was guarding Hakeem + older MJ 🔥

@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14 2 года назад

@@willhooke Do you remember his year with the Heat?

@willhooke 2 года назад

@@NOYOUSHUTUP3.14 I did not! Had to search for it - didn't even know he went there 😅 I think I was quite into basketball until the end of the Bulls 6th ring Watched the Spurs beat the Knicks, but the lockout season was the last one I watched for a long time I was a teenage in the 90s and was left confused - how can this big dude guard MJ?!

@omniarms6081 2 года назад

Draymomd is underrated

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

Not w/5 finals appearances, 3🏆's, a DPOY! They played to his strengths & asked him to do that. Steph is really an undersized SG so w/Draymond's court vision & PG abilities it's a...... WINNING culture!

@nellyville69 2 года назад

It his creativity and feel for the Game that makes Draymond talented

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

It's the organization acknowledging what players they have & their skill set. Draymond has court vision & PG abilities, NTM that Steph is really an undersized SG who does a lot of what Reggie Miller did in his day. It all came together for championship chemistry.

@mishkin11 2 года назад

Can we have a video on Ime Udoka please? I would love to know more about his journey to the position and what changed halfway through the season

@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis 2 года назад

Everything is situational. He took advantage of his skills and where he was to maximize success.

@t4d0W 2 года назад

Plays out with how he finessed the contracts too. Sure other teams can use a Draymond but do they seem him as a 25m/yr role player like how the Warriors/Lacob did? He sold his niche role and the success of it so well that his financial boom is tied to Steph/Klay's contractual long term stay with the franchise.

@elninonavid6437 2 года назад

Wait the two best basketball RU-vid creators have a podcast together? Is this a guest appearance? If not, then I need to know where I can watch more.

@ernestoruiz4946 2 года назад

Love the Marlins hat!!!

@theking-ss 2 года назад

We finally get to see what Kyle man looks like

@abk1424 2 года назад

It’s funny because people think the warriors sets and game is something we have never seen before. Not the case. It is just good basketball, similar to the Spurs dynasty, they pass, they move, they get better shots for their team mates. Everyone else seems to be taking the 3 ball as the thing that is the key to the warriors… it’s the damn ball movement and unselfishness!!

@realjoshb 2 года назад

That’s how you win championships!!!

@Shaolin_Chris 2 года назад

draymond is the highest iq player in the league and best defensive player imo. no one can change my mind until he ages out

@Shaolin_Chris 2 года назад

I do think he can get even better if he shot just a little more to be a threat on the offensive end

@aguyfromnothere 2 года назад

Jocik Lebron, Doncik, Draymond, CP3. There are some high basketball IQ players.

@willhooke 2 года назад

He's the perfect tetris block that unlocks the GSW on both O + D What makes Draymond unique is the total package of him... And how he facilitates the greatest shooting backcourt of all time... And how he clogs the D and clamps even great O players so that his team aren't exposed by Kerr running small ball... Yes Walton + Arvydas Sabonis were the greatest passing 5s (until Jokic) + operated as O hubs Yes Rodman was a 6'6 wing with such a phenomenal physique he can guard Johnson, Bird + even slow Shaq enough for the double team to arrive But combine those two things AND great short roll O (because Curry is getting doubled) in a 4 v 3 setting AND his defence anchoring the team PLUS clamping his matchup a lot of the time... That's why Draymond is a Pioneer Others have done things that he does, sometimes even better than Draymond But I can't think of anyone that does everything he does...

@t4d0W 2 года назад

Yeah. Seems more like the ideal 'small ball' big point forward. In a basketball era where perimeter players/wings have more lee-way to attack the hoop. Its funny because if you start with the premise that GSW was really the most successful basketball team to win a chip where their best player is a small perimeter player (legend in the making shooter btw), its funny how other teams have tried replicating the formula with their own versions. From your Dame/CJ combo, Harden small ball and currently Trae Young, those teams were waiting for their 'Draymond' to come and help unlock their team. But since they never did they just settled for it in pieces and the it never worked out in full. Which should be a pitfall reminder for the Hawks because defense has been a problem for them this season and as much as Trae would benefit playing more off ball, he won't be open to that idea fully without a teammate whose a good enough playmaker. So either they find their 'Draymond' or suffer the same fate having all these pieces that doesn't add up.

@TBCavalcanti 2 года назад

You guys should go Live on games. Celtics/Bucks tomorrow. ^^

@LookingForAName... 2 года назад

After the playoffs, do some more historical videos. The series on Greatest Peaks is probably my favorite basketball content on the platform and it helps younger fans like me get a wider perspective on the league. Some subjects I'd like some information on: The Bad Boy Pistons and, more specifically, IT's impact and where he ranks among other all time greats at his position. Reggie Miller and the impact of his style in his era. Julius Erving's greatness, dominance in the ABA and how he translated into the NBA. Last time the Knicks were good (70-73) The many times almost champions Lakers of Jerry West and Elgin Baylor and what they lacked to overtake the Russel Celtics. Mike D'Antoni's system with the Suns and Rockets and what it can bring to a team/player and how it comes short of being a winning strategy.

@bb1111116 2 года назад

Steve Kerr is an excellent student of the game. Kerr played under Phil Jackson and absorbed the concepts of the triangle offense/defense. Kerr played for Greg Popovich twice and learned from that. Kerr was general manager of the Suns when D’Antoni was coach. Kerr understood D’Antoni’s system but also wanted big men to be utilized better. Draymond Green routinely has assists around 7 per game. Pippen had close to those numbers with the Bulls. Green is a floating defender. Pippen did that with the Bulls. Big men as facilitators goes back to Walton and daddy Sabonis. * Kerr understands all of this and Draymond’s role reflects that knowledge.

@dallenbrodowski3474 2 года назад

I couldn’t tell the difference between these guys voices when I first started listening to them

@understandunderstand1271 2 года назад

His speed pushing the ball even off made shots and he says he is the best screener ever and he might be right the timing and angles Draymond is crazy. He could score 12-15 a night he is fast and strong and he can handle the ball and make every pass. The iq and anticipation are what makes him this good he has that feel that Kerr talks about often it’s a passion for the team game and an iq that comes from watching basketball all the time because he loves it. It’s a team game the narrative anyone could do it by themselves especially in this era is just dumb you need 10 guys who are good to win at nba level there is so much skill and athleticism on all teams that it often comes down to chemistry and focus as a group which takes experience and confidence. Warriors

@larrywilson3904 2 года назад

I know it's during the playoffs and you focus primarily on post-merger basketball however you definitely need to make a video on Bob Pettits spectacular 1958 NBA Finals performance

@hugh_janus_g 2 года назад

j Kyle Mann 🐐

@salmott 2 года назад

Shout out to J Kyle

@dexterm2003 2 года назад

Draymond for sure deserves a lot of credit for the warriors system and offense. Yes Steph, Klay and now JP are hitting the shots but he is orchestrating it and delivering the passes on target. The reason steph and klay are so good is their off ball movement and they could not do that to the same level without Draymond. Yes there are elbow passers even chris weber, divac, sabonis, and others but draymond also snatches the rebound and dribbles up the court with speed then orchestras the offense at that tempo. Klay and steph are two of the deadliest trailers in the history of the game and they can do that because of draymond. He understands the game at such a high level that he asks himself how can I unlock these guys even more and get them good shots.

@abidurrahmannajib4092 2 года назад

Hey Ben. What do you think is the best possible defensive lineup from current players? What about all time?

@danielbattle7620 2 года назад

I’d take Marcus smart over jrue, and Joel over Davis

@samn90834 2 года назад

@@danielbattle7620 Draymond would lose a lot of his value with Joel in the line up tho, cos Joel can’t switch and needs to be the anchor, AD is much more versatile and is arguably at his best defensively when he’s allowed to roam and isn’t the anchor.

@samn90834 2 года назад

@@glarencez that’s becos Smart isn’t an elite offensive player, he may be marginally worse on ball than Jrue but he’s wayyyyy better off the ball, better communicator and better at guarding bigger players too. I’d take Smart as well, if we are getting 2014 Kawhi I’d easily take him, if not maybe Mikal bridges instead

@bboywolf 2 года назад

JRUE KAWHI DRAYMOND GIANNIS JOEL.

@goated.content 2 года назад

@@danielbattle7620 Joel over Davis? Lol Joel is not close to Davis in that regard. Davis is more impactful everywhere in the court on defense

@guaca_muller 2 года назад

OMG my dads! 🥰

@jonstephenson5436 2 года назад

If a person is to question Draymond’s credit for his own success, then you really have to do the same for Steph, and Klay. It’s definitely a synergy that is more than the sum of its parts. Saying that doesn’t take anything away from any of the 3. They all deserve a ton of individual credit.

@micsunday14 2 года назад

How did you get dirk nowitzki on the cast?

@aumoccbei3197 2 года назад

Is Chris Webber the forerunner to Draymond? Perhaps a lesser team defender than Draymond, but able to make similar reads from the low post and top of the key in a Kings offense based around cutting and 3 point shooting.

@Chairsium 2 года назад

Ngl, for quite some time, I thought Ben Taylor and J. Kyle Mann were the same people. Their content, their voice, I didn't give too much attention to and failed to see the difference. Even in this video, I thought that was Ben talking at the start cuz I wasn't looking at my screen.

@issamelarmi 2 года назад

Kyle on the Thinking basket ball podcast ??? Is this Christmas early or what ?

@TheCloud175 2 года назад

Went and looked through every video you’ve made this NBA season. Every playoff team had some form of representation in your videos (going off titles and thumbnails alone, every playoff team had a current player in a thumbnail). Except the number one seed in the East. You had time to upload the 50th warriors video this season, but the Heat may as well not exist.

@ronthealmightyratking8206 2 года назад

Yoooo the goats did a collab with another goat 😳 -Ron, The Almighty Rat King

@imtisunep3810 2 года назад

Not a fan of Green, but this guy is a genius. Ball Players will know this. You can't talk about agility without involving Green in the Conversation.

@sarveshanandas1917 2 года назад

Peak Draymond( from a shooting standpoint) quite literally altered the floor. And to Kyle's point about there being post creators, it was often that these big mid post/ high post creators primarily used their scoring gravity to then unlock passing, so that too a degree is quite different from Draymond, and Draymond's ability to go coast to coast, push the pace+ play 4 on 3, puts him in quite rare company from a passing standpoint. Also I feel the Rodman comparison is inherently flawed to a degree. Dray doesn't play with the same rules neither does he play with the same level of defenders around him. Draymond perhaps will go down as one of the historically great weak side/ help defender+all arond defense in general, and his sense of positioning and timing is elite. So while there might be a few archetypes, as Kyle said, there are only so many notes but the player provides texture, Dray porbably has a texture of his own.

@Thanosdidtherighthing 2 года назад

He’s a good passer but let’s be honest…. Who can’t average 6-7 assists when defenses are paying no attention to you and you have great off ball players and floor spacers like Curry, Thompson, KD, etc. Is there there anything Draymond can do that KG can’t do ? 🤔

@sarveshanandas1917 2 года назад

@@Thanosdidtherighthing you comparing him to KG, who is in most books, a top 15 -20 player all time, just goes to prove my point.😂

@sarveshanandas1917 2 года назад

@@Thanosdidtherighthing the point isnt who can't, the point is, who has. The beauty of Draymond's game is that he isn't necessarily the unambiguous best at one specific subset of one major skill, eg: passing/ defense, but he is consistently elite at multiple subsets of a major skill, and that is what sets him apart. Simply put, " a jack of all trades but a master of none, is better than a master of one".

@Thanosdidtherighthing 2 года назад

@@sarveshanandas1917 I agree with that 👌

@t4d0W 2 года назад

@@sarveshanandas1917 Glad to know you stated the second part. Lot of revisionist quoters have gotten by passing the first part as some negative but seem to forget the importance the second part adds. For this modern era in a game ran by great shotmaking and playmaking perimeter and wing players, a swiss army highly mobile playmaking big who can play every facet of defense on the half court is a terrific glue guy.

@keepitprivate91 2 года назад

These two have very similar ways of looking at the game

@KenTheMan407 2 года назад

Kyle man and thinking basketball 🏀 he’ll of combination

@kingdingaling2469 2 года назад

I Love Draymond , He has so many haters , that’s How You know they don’t know jack ish as well as that Dray is doing something right .

@charles9489 2 года назад

Draymond has haters lol, u must be kidding!

@TheMissinLink 2 года назад

@@charles9489 you are lying to yourself if you think he doesn’t have his haters. He has his supporters like every player as well.

@charles9489 2 года назад

@@TheMissinLink he has haters when he opens his mouth, that's it fam.

@chaselong9804 2 года назад

I really think he may be the most unique player of all time

@gusbus1973 2 года назад

5:35 ayo

@BabyCagefighter 2 года назад

J KYLE MANN

@kr1391 2 года назад

Imagine magic, ScottieB, Scottie P, draymond, and bill Russell on starting 5 for 2k

@adidasboy3207 2 года назад

High IQ Defensive beast.

@charl_lee 2 года назад

Draymond is definitely one of the better support class players of all time. But I don’t mean that in a bad way lol. He can’t carry a team by himself but he makes his superstar teammates better through his facilitating and insane defensive capabilities. However I do think he hinders the GS offense at times when he doesn’t even look/pretend that he wants to shoot.

@Thanosdidtherighthing 2 года назад

His 3 ball is mediocre. His mid range is bad. His isolation game is bad. He can only finish when the paint is clear. He can’t post up…. lol I get what you’re saying but I can respect a player who knows his strengths and weaknesses and Draymond knows that very well.

@jangardini7909 2 года назад

Can someone please explain to me what happened to draymond's shooting after 2016?

@MrE_ 2 года назад

He didn't have to shoot anymore when he had 3 elite shooters with klay, curry, KD. So all he had to do on offense was playmake and set them up, no shooting needed.

@jangardini7909 2 года назад

@@MrE_ this doesn't explain his huge drop off in percentages. He went from being an elite shooter to someone who's guarded like westbrook

@missionarygabe5101 2 года назад

he also dealt with a shoulder injury in the 2017-2018 season many speculate could be why his shooting fell off

@MrE_ 2 года назад

@@jangardini7909 I mean he's a career 31% shooter so nothing to boast about. He only had 1 year where he was shooting 38% and any nba player can be decent for 1 fluke year, it's another thing to do that consistently. But also remember that nba teams in 2015 played different defense than in 2022. In 2015, playing a small ball center was unheard of, so nba defenses most likely left Draymond wide open for 3s since their center was worried about the paint. In 2022, it's a lot more common to play small ball lineups, so nba defenses adapted by having 5 elite perimeter defenders that can guard 1-5. So Dray wasn't getting the wide open looks he used to over the past few seasons, hence he's shooting poorly, hence his confidence in his shot went down, hence he refuses to shoot it and decides to playmake instead.

@jangardini7909 2 года назад

@@MrE_ what you said about open looks would make sense, if it wasn't completely false. Cmon you just need to watch a warriors game to see how open draymond is being left to shoot. He just doesn't take those shots. Also your "fluke year" arguement doesn't really stand. A young plauer coming into the league is expected to increase his shooting percentages, or at least keep them on track. Draymond did just that. He went from a bad shooter, increased up to elite in 2016 and then forgot how to shoot. The thing that i can't wrap my head around is the fact that in his last 6 seasons he is getting wider looks and he's shooting less but his percentages not only don't go back up but also keep decreasing year after year, this doesn't make sense at all. How is possible a regression like this one?

@TheBadiiye 2 года назад

dude has a dejounte type of wingspan at 6’6 and a 1/2

@TheMissinLink 2 года назад

he actually said he’s only 6’5 and some change. His wingspan is also 3 or 4 inches longer than DJs.

@TheBadiiye 2 года назад

hes 6’5. he isnt

@rodaxel7165 2 года назад

I think it's both. What team has another version of Steph and Klay? Also Kerr unlocked Green's full potential as defensive anchor while serving as your point forward. What if he wasn't drafted by GSW? The picks before and after him were traded to Dallas and Indiana(Originally Cleveland and Sacramento) Would he have a role on a team that isn't as offensively gifted as the Warriors? What NBA teams right now would need a guy like Draymond? Plus would he get same contract on those same teams? To he's a system player.

@captainevy3133 2 года назад

I think you’re spot on about Kerr and the rest of GS unlocking greens full potential but I think no matter where he would have gone he would have become a dominant defensive player. Perhaps not the same on offense but defensively he is just too damn smart to have failed in my eyes.

@jacksondowdle5217 2 года назад

I don't think Kerr unlocked Draymond's defensive potential. I think it is moreso Draymond who provides such amazing defensive impact for Kerr. If you look at one of Coach Nick's interviews with Steve Kerr, he literally talks about how Draymond will occasionally scram switch/late switch a small guy (like Curry) out of a mismatch so the Warriors can cover everything on defense. I'm paraphrasing but Kerr was like "yeah we don't even tell Draymond to do anything in that situation. He'll literally just tell Steph or someone else to scram so they don't face a bad match up". I think the Warriors honestly just got lucky by drafting one of the smartest defenders ever!

@toteispoe4 2 года назад

Hawks would take him in a heartbeat.

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

I believe they drafted him for the role he plays. Steph is an undersized SG who moves w/o the🏀like Reggie Miller & A.I. So w/Draymond's court vision & PG abilities it developed into just what they wanted.....a winning culture!

@Sonoma_Coast 2 года назад

I was going to say Rick Barry

@LordTimmy 2 года назад

5:35 ayo. pause LOL

@RetroKid Год назад

Would Draymond be successful on any other team in his era? I don't think so, or at least with as much success as he has had with the Warriors

@lamchunting856 2 года назад

Draymond is the poster boy why stats don’t tell the whole story

@MikeJay-on5tt 2 года назад

Draymond is lucky asf to be in GS like but him elsewhere and it would be Draymond Green who without no disrespect ofcourse.

@MrE_ 2 года назад

I think Draymond would have been like Pat Bev on other teams. I guy you will like on your team's bench or starting lineup as a dog. Since dray is taller and more versatile than pat bev, he would have still had a better career than him, even if he doesn't have the same success he has with the greatest shooting backcourt of all time

@MikeJay-on5tt 2 года назад

@@MrE_ Just for saying Pat Beverley that I've would've said Lance Stephenson too tho.

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

@@MikeJay-on5tt GS was a great fit for him, just like he was a great fit for them. I believe Steph is an undersized SG & w/Draymond's court vision & PG abilities.....it was like puzzle pieces coming together to build a winning culture!

@deandrepage1048 2 года назад

Draymond Green has a talent, high Passer's I.Q. and court awareness on defense. Shame on head coach Mark Jackson.

@akikoozeki3114 2 года назад

A lot of teams wants a Draymond Green, a mobile power forward or center that is versatile in defense and playmaking

@t4d0W 2 года назад

They can't get 'Draymond' in one player. So its a matter of leveraging his skillsets in at least 2 players with defensive qualities. Ironic enough when the Kings/Pacers trade happen that swapped Haliburton for Saba, I was more higher on the Pacers getting the better 'Draymond' of that trade. Successful roster building to hide Saba's weaknesses is a commitment that not many team rosters have. As of Hali, he is a tall playmaking guard works extremely well various lineups where he's the PG and there is some unpopular advanced metric that measured player efficiency based on what they do in terms of offense for playmaking, rebounding and defensive value. Draymond topped that metric but guess who came in 2nd? Haliburton.

@Nuzi9 2 года назад

similar voices

@jirojiro1029 2 года назад

What is the paradigm shift? You need to first explain or define that to discuss it

@discodancer22 2 года назад

Circumstance: luck Execution: hard-work = credit deserved History: historic Warrior, HOF material, not top-75 but mid/low ranking top-100

@charles9489 2 года назад

He ain't even top 100 u must be crazy!

@aaronpeters6209 Год назад

Did the NBA forget about what worked in the past, because of the rule changes (Illegal defense)?

@julianrojas4792 2 года назад

I think draymond is like one of those guys at the rec that pics the most OP players and then acts like it was all him. Hes good but i think hes like a healthy ben simmons

@obnoxiouslakerfan 2 года назад

Why is j Kyle Mann only looking at draymonds offensive impact on warriors? The reason that team has so many championships is because of their offense PAIRED with an absolutely elite defense that draymond deserves a ton of credit for

@charleslavender2951 2 года назад

Go to 2:15 bro jeez

@lorenzo5220 2 года назад

Cant talk about pinch post without CHRIS WEBBBER😄😄

@steveflinn6 2 года назад

Dray has a lot of parallels to The Big O.

@willhooke 2 года назад

Why not both? Why can't he be both Lucky and a Pioneer? Draymond's almost perfect for the Warriors, and the Warriors are almost perfect for Draymond Neither would've been as successful without the other 🙂

@ramolong 2 года назад

I have accepted that Ben is either a bitter Celtics or Pacers fan with the lack of Miami Heat content lately.

@ramolong 2 года назад

This is still a good topic and I will continue watching, just know I see through that generic backdrop of yours Ben.

@TheMissinLink 2 года назад

he has stated many times he has no fandom in any sort anymore. I do think he grew up a Cs fan, but that was years and years ago. The video he made on Miami in the bubble is honestly still relevant as well, considering they play very similar to how they did then. I think a video on jimmy’s play individually is a better video topic.

@ramolong 2 года назад

@@TheMissinLink Yeah I just really want a video analyzing either Bam's defensive greatness, or Jimmy's dominance in the playoffs so far.

@ronald8664 2 года назад

The interesting thing is if Draymond wanted, he'd average 15+ points but he takes a step back on offense to deliver on defense

@t.l.c.t.6250 2 года назад

hahahaha

@user-jw9rn4lt4y 2 года назад

idk about that lol he’s not that good of a scorer

@theALMIGHTY987 2 года назад

He has two of the best off ball cutters I've seen since Reggie Miller & A.I! All he has to do is use his PG abilities & court vision to get them in the best possible positions. He's truly been one of their better picks!

@TheMissinLink 2 года назад

love dray, but no haha