Dream's Cheating Confession: Uncovering The Truth 

I worked really hard on this video. If you appreciate the effort I put into investigating these topics please support me by following me on twitter twitter.com/karljobstgaming and joining the discord discord.gg/EjDRvg7 No clips in this video are credited to avoid any potential backlash or drama which I disapprove of. Not all of the clips included are wrong, I AGREE with some of them. I just included clips that I thought were really relevant to the video. Looking forward to moving on and putting this entire saga to rest!

"You must forget everything you know about this topic" Way ahead of you

The biggest question I have for this whole scandal is why did he have to tell us he was in a bathtub?

17:46 that aged well, because turns out it wasn’t luck at all someone noticed, it was because MinecrAvenger was also a cheater and noticed Dream had increased his odds because *he* was doing the exact same thing.

The fact that the person who exposed Dream was a cheater himself says it all. Cheaters are the most likely people to know if something is wrong because they themselves are doing it. My guy looked at the drops and was like “hmm, this guy is getting as lucky as me when I’m using cheats? Something is wrong” 😂😂

When that developer was asked to make a mod for content, they really nailed it...

"The best and worst part of learning and understanding statistics... is that the large majority of the world does not understand statistics, yet claim to." My teacher in statistics, last year

This has really changed my mind. I think the take that “he didn’t do it on purpose, but he’s a huge asshole” nails it very well.

hasn’t been relevant for two years and this video is still a fucking banger. most objective one by far, it’s cool you actually tried reaching out to dream to hear his side and gather all the evidence he had

"Don't tell Dream, but I managed to gain access to his emails." You almost had me there.

"People have compared Dream to Billy Mitchell, but there are key differences: Billy Mitchell is weird." I died.

I have played minecraft for 5 minutes and never heard of dream, but watched the entire thing because of your search for the truth and the way you conducted your research, this was brilliant!

For context: in sport, if someone has illegal substances in their system they receive a ban, no matter what. A lot of cases of band are when the athlete is taking a supplement that contained the substance and they didn’t know. It is the athletes responsibility to know whether or not their supplements have banned substances. In speedrunning, it should be the case that the speerunner is responsible for ensuring they are not cheating.

The main victim of this whole debacle appears to be Karl's faith in humanity.

If I ever get murdered I want Karl to investigate it

Whether he cheated or not, he still knew his game was modified after a certain point and said nothing for months and months while letting his fans harrass those who were proven right in the end. Thats disgusting in my view.

Honestly I don't care if he cheated or not at this point. His attitude about the whole thing makes me roll my eyes and shake my head. A team of over 10 extremely dedicated minecraft speedrun moderators spent 2 months looking at every detail and crunching every statistic with extremely complicated math that no one on the internet corrects (and we all know the internet can never refuse such a temptation) and dream never even once thought "hmm something is really wrong here!". He hired someone, fed them data and when they came up with different numbers he didn't raise consern or ask for second opinions. No. Dream made a video smugly trying to debunk everything whilst sounding as arrogant as possible. Idc if he cheated or not. I know what kind of person he is now and I don't really want to be around those kinds of people :/ I hope Dream learns and becomes a better person. I'd like to see a legitimate speedrun with a humble and lovable Dream in the future.

This is the craziest amount of research poured into a single man cheating I've ever seen and I'm only 3 minutes into the video

“Billy Mitchell is weird, and he appears weird.” True

Watching in December 2023 I am struck by how well Karl handled an objectively bizarre story. I mean, at the time, you had world-class mathematics + a mask-wearing, unnamed RU-vidr + unidentified experts and developers. And I watched the whole hour-plus despite never playing Minecraft.

i'm glad i clicked on this video. i kind of didn't want to dive in because well, it's the whole dream debacle, but this was incredibly enlightening from start to finish, and i feel as though i have a far more rounded out understanding of what happened. it's no longer the black/white thinking of "did he or didn't he cheat", there's tons of nuance i didn't even know existed, and i'm grateful you took the time to so thoroughly pick through the evidence to present us with the facts.

This speedrun getting more cross examination than a murder trial

Keemstar criticizing Dream for his fan base has got to be one of the most laughably hypocritical things on this entire platform

Looking back on this a year later, while Dream might not have cheated on purpose, he’s still definitely at fault for his behavior. Yes, Dream had no reason to think his game could’ve been modded. However, he knew that he’d been paying somebody to modify Minecraft in the same way he had been accused of, so he should’ve asked his developer if they had modified the file to any extent around the time where the accused cheating happened. And letting several months fly by before coming out with the truth all while the ones who were correct in their accusations were getting harassed daily by his fans is horrible. Not to mention his knee-jerk reaction of a response to the accusations only served to further incriminate himself.

Dream is like the criminals in Ace Attorney when they change up their entire testimony

”I am the one person who knows more than everyone else on the planet. In this video we will cover _everything.”_ Very grandiose!

not gonna lie, when karl started talking about hacking dreams email i thought he was going to segue into a goddamn ad for an internet protection company

Thank you for taking such a difficult and heated topic and addressing it in a far more objective way than I would have thought possible. I apologize for the dissertation but as someone who loves watching streamers but has no particular feelings toward Dreams either one way or another, this was my introduction to him. While I originally thought that your objections were more tailored to add believability to their authenticity as opposed to actually being genuine, the areas of your criticism and seemingly objective weighing of factors both for and against your own original suppositions was very well thought out and I felt showed an evolved opinion. Thank you for taking so much time and effort to shed light on a topic that I feel most people would most likely be quick to make assumptions based on hearsay or out of a general dislike of cheating in general. I feel that you have done a masterful job of actually giving people enough information to form real , constructive opinions of Dream whether they be positive or negative. Again, thank you for giving us enough information to create informed opinions as opposed to just spreading around drama and hate.

I love your videos. You tackle the situations from every angle possible to get the most clear image you can, as opposed to other videos from people who prefer to only look at the situation from one side. Well done.

If I ever get sued I want Karl as my lawyer

"...unless, of course, that person is me." What an absolute legend.

I think that finding out I cheated without knowing it at the time, is actually scarier than doing it intentionally. I would honestly panic and do something stupid for sure.

Coming here a year later and being reminded that MinecrAvenger, a now exposed prolific cheater (possibly the worst offender of all time in Minecraft), was the one who initially blew everything up with analysis of drop rates.

Bruh, watching this was like watching a Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney play through

Dream posted it while in the bathtub because people tend to have more creative comebacks when bathing.

I really appreciate channels like these that do an actual deep dive and have journalistic integrity. A lot of commentary youtubers are so quick to make a video, they don't give as much care about uncovering what actually happens in these kind of situations.

wow!! very well done!! im glad you made this video its hard in current times to remain unbiased and to not judge someone until all the information comes out i wish there where more people like yourself and a couple other youtubers i sub to, who really do the actual "journalism" or research on a specific incident before making their mind up even though you dont go into detail, its obvious your opinion of Dream has changed since your last video maybe not believing him "completely" innocent but still, and this speaks worlds for the kind of person you are Karl!! and with this, what i actually believe to be the most complete story behind Dreams cheating i also believe like you do, i dont think he "knew" he had cheated

rewatched this and the part about how sincere dream seemed really hit home. he was so convicted and convincing at times the cognitive dissonance literally felt like gaslighting (considering i knew the invalidity of his run and was unfortunately assuming malintent) i know the team tried to do everything as best as we could but i wish the whole thing went better

This video has all of the marks of a genuine, honest, unbiased, and truth-seeking endeavor. It's not omitting shit that doesn't fit with a narrative, it's not trying to smoothen out all the rough edges of the story... The fact that my opinion has gone back and forth a dozen times about all of the folks involved while I watched this video is, to me, indicative of Karl really getting to the heart of a story like this. Real life is fucking messy and complicated, but everyone wants a succinct explanation to satisfy their hunger for a simple, tweetable narrative. I have a feeling that during this investigation Karl probably had all of the realizations and back-and-forths I just had while watching this video. I found myself thinking multiple times throughout this video, "is Karl trying to convince me this dude cheated or he's innocent??" but I think the truth is he's trying to give us all the facts, as he was able to collect them. THAT is exactly the sort of content we need, give us ALL of the evidence so we can come to our own conclusions, but the saddest part of that is the masses aren't equipped to properly absorb, analyze, and be skeptical of a raw dump of unbiased facts and evidence. Good work Karl, as usual!

Coming back to this and am still very impressed with your empathy and objectivity. Always grateful for your content and input.

Honestly, Dream's lies in the face of his accusations make it so hard for me to believe he had no idea that he was cheating. If he was a smart cheater, he would have definitely acted differently, but I wonder if it's possible he knew he was cheating and it was like one of those scary dread inducing things that haunt you where you know you're fucking up, but your anxiety prevents you from giving it any attention. Kinda like when people get horrible cavities and stuff and just keep vibing instead of dealing with it.

"People can still talk about whatever they like, but you as a viewer should never take it seriously, and never ever assume that the person you are watching has any idea what they are talking about. Unless of course that person is me." ~Karl Jobst

very properly done video, nice work!

Amazing done video man. Honestly a fresh breath of air to see someone do a review of a contavertal topic and cover it with such responsibility and well made to me. Specially no biased or negligent/lazy claims with a ton of arrogance and intitlement like some YTs and or Podcast hosts that don’t even notice how they come across. 👍🏽

The most confusing part is that Dream is seemingly intentionally trying to make himself look even more guilty. 44:00 is a great example

This is by far the most entertaining first world problem ive ever been into. Thanks karl, thanks internet

3:20 Karl: You DO NOT KNOW THE FULL STORY Me watching the video a 2nd time: I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you

Hey m8, what a brilliant effort to actually tell it how it is, as much as we might not agree with Dreams handling of the situation afterwards, I have always thought the run wasn't cheated on purpose Well done Karl

Learning most, if not all, of the details in this situation has brought me some peace; not because I cared about anyone or anything to do with the 'controversy,' but because Dream's response reminded me of my brother. He takes the truth, and twists it to make it sound better for himself. If someone else is even remotely close to suggesting they are wrong, or did something wrong, they act as if the world is against them, and use that truth twisting skill to (try to) turn the world back on them. This Dream deal is old news at this point, but I just wanted to let you know that you really nailed the objective, 3rd-party perspective in this, and subsequently helped me overcome a barrier I felt with my brother's defensive, deflective, petty, and pointless pointless yapping. I hate feeling like I'm walking on eggshells with my brother, but I just can't come to hate him. We are all human, and make mistakes. Old habits are hard to shake. While the behavior suggests malicious intent, it often is not. In fact, I might go out on a limb and say it comes from a spoiled upbringing that felt cut short when all the love you have seems to turn toward someone else. I am in fact the second child in our family. We'd fight a lot as kids, and I didn't understand what he was so angry about half of the time. Even now, I can't figure out if he's just *looking* for things to complain about in general or not 😂 All that said, when he's not focusing on every minute detail in life that's oddly upsetting, which feels less frequent than it is, we do have understanding, informative, interesting, fun, and ultimately pointless conversations with no stress. I know that was a long-winded wall of text, that nobody on the internet needed to hear. I don't expect anyone to care, not even Karl. I just wanted to say, on the off chance you see this, Karl, thanks for doing this kind of work. I may never truly understand why people do anything, especially when it blows up in their face. However i feel one step closer to understanding idiots like that for better or worse. Really helps when trying to understand people. Aspergers makes that harder for me, after all 😅 Also, your investigative journalism is typically pretty thorough, so at this point, I think you're a trustworthy source for information. 😊

"There's no doubt Dream is skilled at what he does" *don't use this as a segue for skillshare please don't use this as a segue for skillshare* "If you want to learn a new skill-" *NOOOOOOOOO* Great vid tho

"Forget every other video you have seen about this topic" Okay!i will "We all know that Dreams games were modified .." who the hell is dream?

I would have easier time believing this was accidental if the program that they used to cheat didn't instantly get deleted from both Dream's computer and from the guy's that made it.

I’m such an old man that when I heard you say “a team of some of the best experts in minecraft speedrunning” I figured it was a room full of hyper 12-year-olds.

'The Developer' sounds like a character from The Matrix

Ant Venom’s section speaking on cycling mods out of folders, I couldn't help but reflect on my 7 copies of GTA 5 that I use for content creation; I press a single button to change which folder steam looks at. Patch 1.24, Patch 1.27, Chaos, Newest Patch, Modded, OHKO, and No Cutscene skip. Many of these look identical and you'd never know which one I was using once I was in the game except for one thing. The strategy of 'Save-warping' causes your game to crash if you have mods loaded. I have a done a handful of runs on my modded version, only to crash an hour in when I tried to save warp which alerted me to my mistake. I find your explanation for Dream’s behaviour and his modded-runs (that he inadvertently cheated) to make more sense than him intentionally cheating. My initial interest in the ‘Dream Cheating’ story was due to my reverence for the moderator’s efforts to determine his runs were cheated, and my first video was largely just expressing that. I am not a statistician, yet I read the report and felt I understood enough to believe it valid. When Dream’s report came out, I did not catch the errors caught by others. Speaking to the statisticians of the moderator’s report also helped me understand that I did not possess the level of understanding I believed. Given this revelation I questioned why I should have any confidence that Dream cheated. I concluded I only felt confidence due to lengths the moderators went to, Dream’s poor conduct, and a bias driven by a strong dislike of those who violate rules for their own gain (which Dream was now associated with). Now having competing statistical analyses and commentary of which I didn’t feel qualified to assess, I considered the foundation for my belief that he cheated quite poor. When he contacted me asking to be interviewed, I was confused. My videos were not exactly kind to him. If he was going to seek out a softball interview, why would he pick me? I didn’t exactly have the reputation for being a push-over. I sat down to watched and read everything again to devise what I felt were the questions that would best enable me to get information that had not yet been presented publically. I made over 30 and I questioned whether I had inadvertently set out to confirm my original position perhaps out of bias. It is worth noting, I read many of Dream’s different social media posts while making these questions and I did see a difference between Dream’s earlier comments and later comments which, at the time, I attributed to damage control rather than growth as a person. So I had the interview with Dream. While he didn’t always give a “perfect” answer, Dream always seemed to have an answer. He didn’t hesitate. The answer didn’t come across as scripted, but they also didn’t come across as a person struggling to think of an excuse. He came across as a likeable person, something even those who accused him of cheating continued to maintain. Almost 3 hours we were there, he didn’t complain. It only ended when I ran out of questions and it seemed like he would have been fine to be there for the rest of time, I was usually the one who said we had to move on from a question because he just wanted to plead his case as much as possible. 20% of viewers made it 15 minutes in, 10% 1 hour, 5% all the way. Few cared what he had to say, and few were interested why I changed my mind even while being perfectly fine mocking me for it. The interview made me unsure of what to think of Dream, and being unable to believe myself qualified to feel confident in the statistics, I ended the conversation by saying something like “I am unsure, but if I had a gun to my head I wouldn’t say you cheated”. This is an expression to mean you would only make a decision if you were forced under penalty of death given your lack of confidence. It is after all “innocent until proven guilty” and I didn’t feel firm enough to confirm guilt. After the interview, many videos were released breaking down the papers and what they actually assessed and how. This made me feel more confident that Dream cheated, as I had regained my trust in the statistics, but now I felt this trust was justified. I now had to invent reasons for myself as to how all of Dreams actions (which Karl listed in the video) made sense for a cheater to do. None of the possible explanations seemed to fit well, but the facts of the run being cheated seemed undeniable so I settled on Dream hating RNG and just wanted to speed things up to get a run he deserved. If I had to choose between that explanation and the one given in this video, that Dream unknowingly cheated, the second explanation seems to fit better with the totality of Dreams actions.

Good god Karl, I really love the way you approach debates/videos/facts. You're very good at breaking things down to facts, and then also providing your own opinion (or like your best objective take). The balance of logic and self-aware intuition is 100p why I come back to watch your videos. This vid kinda the magnum opus for you so far IMO, at least from what I've seen. I hope more people think this rationally and logically about things.

Here's a comment that started an argument

this is a prime example of why in legal proceedings people use lawyers and don't usually defend themselves. knowing how to convey information truthfully (and explain that information well) is a very important skill when it comes to controversy.

very based. this needed to be made ty

This may or may not be your best video, I haven't watched a lot of your videos but this is an amazing video

Make more long videos, please. I've just learned how nice these are to fall asleep to. You're great to listen to and the Perfect Dark music apparently does it for me. I love your content. I just used it to sleep after I actually watched it. ❤

Karl just casually dropping a full length documentary, absolute legend.

>people don’t know what they are talking about >shows a picture of Ethan Klein pure kino

This all really is a great lesson about the importance of things like objectivity, evidence, proper investigation, considering all possibilities, skepticism, humility, reserving judgment, knowing what you're talking about and not jumping to conclusions.

Fantastic video. I am a new subscriber, and have absolutely loved all of the videos I have watched. You offer such a clear, and reasonable opinion on the subject matter, a refreshing change from many commentators.

"Billy Mitchell is weird, and always appeared weird. While Dream appears normal." Dream must have been taking his normal pills

I would also want to remain anonymous if I was the "developer" who had to admit he doesn't use a version control system.

This research and explanation was super interesting! In the end, Dream's problem was not if he did or did not cheat... it was that he refused to hear anyone questioning him, no matter how reasonable they sounded, even after the time spent by experts. Dream's long-lasting hot-headed reaction, and sticking with it, is why he will be labeled forever as a cheater despite not technically being one, on purpose.

Feel like this whole saga was a giant, long-winded Hanlon's razor moment. "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Keemstar calling out dream for having a toxic fanbase is the most hypocritical thing ever

Keemstar at the end judging people for harassment is so ironic it's sickening

Thank you for being such a good and honest investigator. Its very clear that despite previous knowledge and biases you're able to put aside your thoughts and feelings to objectively present your findings then make conclusions off of them. You have a very nice and calming voice and Its evident how much work you put into these. I'm beyond floored, thank you

I saw this a couple months after it was uploaded. This was the first Karl Jobst video I watched. I've been subscribed ever since.

A lot of us really need to learn to say "I don't know enough about this. I'm gonna let people who actually do deal with this."

Karl Jobst is the only person I trust about “drama” like this

17:45 "Honestly it was probably sheer luck that someone ended up being crazy enough to study his streams and collate the data, and it wasn't until several days later that the speedrunner MinecrAvenger posted his findings." Now that we have the added subplot of MinecrAvenger ALSO being a cheater, there is definitely enough sheer drama and intrigue in this insane story for Jobst to go back and make a full 90 minute documentary on the full thing from start to finish. In my honest opinion, this has been one of the most interesting stories of cheaters in the history of competitive sports... seems as though nothing in life is a coincidence.

I legitimately love your use of the FTL soundtrack in your vids, I adore that game, and your vids

Ironic, by lying to defend himself, dream was ultimately his biggest attacker

“Dream has a habit of taking creative license with the truth” damn

The biggest red flag for me is that Dream didn't check if the mod was active when asked before going through everything he did. He spent so much time and money trying to discredit the moderators only to turn around and say "Oops, guess I did cheat by accident."

i still watch this video about once a month or so, thanks Karl

"If he's actually innocent, then he did a damn good job seeming like the guiltiest person on the planet."

This is by far the best investigation into the Dream cheating controversy 10 fold. Amazing work, Karl!

Click on a video about a person I don't know, playing a game I find boring, doing a thing in that game I couldn't care less about, and yet...I still watch it.

as i said on your 1st "dream scandal" video, i don't care much for speedruns, but your analysis was great so I decided to watch this. after a few minutes i noticed the runtime, but by then i was already hooked. now i'm 12 minutes in, at the ad break, and must say this is a fascinating mystery. kudos to your dedication to get to the bottom of things :)

“I’m the one person who knows everything”. Oh god he is turning into Thanos

"Billy Mitchell is weird, and has always appeared weird." hahahaha

Today I had a foreign language "conversation meeting" (lol awful translation) with a friend's teenage kid. They are big into Minecraft and are a Dream fan. My old, out of touch, self hasn't played Minecraft since Beta and don't really know what's up lately. I watched this video a while ago just because I enjoy the way you explain things. I had never heard of Dream until your videos but with just your explanations my conversation partner and I could have something to start the conversation flowing. Now they think I'm totally cool and want to have more conversation meetings. I'm probably gonna have to find more videos about Dream now! 😖

My main takeaway from this entire development, is that misinformation not only comes from people who are simply incorrect; it can and does come from people who are right about something for the wrong reasons.

Finally someone who addresses the mod/plugin differences, that is something that as a mod maker annoys me about the other vids

So to sum it up. Dream probably didn’t intentionally cheat but his attempts to ‘debunk’ and rebuke the allegations were horrible and very suspicious.

Innocent or not, Dream handled the situation poorly. He should have been open about his developer since the beginning, but whatever, It's nice to see he admitted at the end

did anyone else have a push notification pop up for this video again 2 years later? xd idk why but my phone did it, it really wanted me to come back to rewatch this video

This is like watching a murder documentary. Thrilling from start to end. Bravo

Just in case someone missed it, the part about Karl hacking to get Dream's emails was a joke, he says at the end that Dream gave him his emails. I got a little bit confused about it myself

I just joined an origins smp with friends and I am just now learning how mods work so the client side vs server side thing makes so much more sense to me now, then it did when I first watched this video a few months ago!

27:33 Dream may have not used Photoexcitation to hire the professor, but you showed us in his emails that he was aware of the existence of the website, since the professor explicitly mentioned it. So he lied about not knowing about the website

Next up: Dream episode 3: "It was all a social experiment."

keemstar talking about getting hate mobs sent his way like he never commanded hate mobs onto other people is just so rich

As expected of Karl, presenting both sides as objective as possible, it was a really interesting video