The Biggest Cheating Scandal In Speedrunning History 

Ok

you too!

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You too! :D

You too! I hope Dream stans won't come here. Edit: people, after reading some replies I can see that many of you use "stan" instead of "superfan" Stan: (noun) an overzealous or obsessive fan of a particular celebrity. Fan + stalker = stan Superfan: a very or extremely devoted fan.

Damn we were all played!

All 1000 years of luck were used in those 6 streams.

@@garlic7763 Just checked. He responded to the claims made against him and his speedrun, and tried to debunk certain aspects. That's his perspective, so he hasn't proved anything. He can claim he didn't cheat, but that doesn't mean he didn't. Put it this way (a hypothetical scenario): Dream is accused of murder. He's the only one at the scene of the crime, and somehow the only evidence to prove he's innocent disappeared into thin air. He should be the prime suspect, right? So he's sitting in court, and the jury is filled with speedrun moderators. It reaches a stalemate because some of them say others were biased against him, so he's sent back to prison to wait another day. Until he's acquitted, he's seen as guilty. End of story.

@@garlic7763 If you actually watched the video instead of just defending him without even hearing the other side out, you would know that Karl already talked about that video here and it was, in fact, mostly wrong.

@@JameyMcQueen It's pretty much the same case as EA Games who gets into Lawsuit for gambling and they simply said "we didn't agree"

Even if we get the entire world population(7.837.225.230 last I checked) + half ot this number (to account for "unnacounted" individuals) and apply the chances of this happening, you would have it happen less than 0.07% of the time...

lol i was like "huh that text is a little off center... oh wait it wasnt loaded fully" xD

It's practically equivalent to producing a 3hour long symphony, by mashing your keyboard for a while. He cheated.

@@AnoNymous-dh2sv Mozart Requiem

@@tokidensetsu the global population is an estimate and is supposed to take into account people not counted in censuses.

@Bruh Meme dream wasnt even a good speedrunner, having no wr

@Jupiter Probably cheated then too, would have been easier to do so in that run actually

@@AcolyteOfLucifer i wouldn't assume he cheated in all of his runs since it is clear that he is skilled at the game. But this definitely will put all of his previous and future 1.6+ runs into question

@Jupiter dream is a gopd speedrunner, but a lot of speedrunning is dependant on luck. Dream had bad luck, and resorted to cheating and lying.

@@alex2005z He literally hold multiple World Records for the other categories

Agreed

*Now* the comment section is a joy to read

Right?!

Did something else happen???

@@jaydensydes3478 Oh, you missed it? Yesterday Dream admitted to cheating. Well, he claimed he "accidentally" had the cheat on. But what's important is, *he did it*.

You could say they're speedrunning speedrunning

@@Brst4410 they're trying to speedrun how fast they can end their careers

Right my fucking brain blew right out the back of my fucking head!

@@edmirneziri3877 I wasn't expecting this

That truly is one of the best things I have heard in quite some time. Good one, Karl!

no coming back from this one

Karls the idubbz of the speed running universe

Content Cop - Dream

Death

That shit hit the fan, sadly, not the stans

I know he has always done only legit runs it’e not like he spliced them or anything

Ya he would never cheat man

Actually takes one to know one

Oh him? No never!

I'm sure he won't

For real

bro it was an ACCIDENT jeez, cut the guy some slack! I mean come on, haven't we all got caught red handed accidentally cheating before, ya know??

@@mud5377 some idiots are going to take this comment seriously lol

Wait, he actually _threatened_ the moderators?!

@@josiahball7799 Not that I know of, just his stans, though he still calls them clout chasers despite them being correct on the game being modified.

They had us in the first half not gonna lie

@@Shrecked it’s too big of a secret I don’t even know

Dude I used the same gaming chair to cheat on my girlfriend, works like a charm!

Don't be idiotic, this is serious DevilGhost.

@@kenny4906 tHiS is SeRiOus GrEeN bLob CheATeD BlOcK gAmE HoW dAAREEEE yOu TrY tO mAkE LiGht oF tHe SitUaTioN

Nice pfp

When I'm playing single-player games (in a non-competitive fashion), this is the reason I use console commands or cheats in games most of the time. I just want to skip grinds and get back to enjoying the game.

@@MisterJackTheAttack This so much.

what’s the difference

@@novaueclipse It means they will eventually reach the fastest time. It's just they'll need to play lots and lots to get a *Lucky* break to have a chance at getting fastest time. Let's say you're driving home, you'll eventually reach your home right? Sometimes real fast and some other times not so fast, because Traffic jams, red lights, etc exists Now let's say you "Manipulate" the Traffic light to show more green on your Lane, or you can somehow direct the traffic too. Do you see where I'm getting at? Where other drivers have to drive over and over again to get that perfect "Lucky" break where the Lights are green and there's no traffic a Cheater can simply turn the tides favouring himself

@@crimsonstrykr oh I bet they’re scripted, even if it’s loosely.

Imagine being such a genius but also such an idiot at the same time. That's Dream

Dream 🤡🤡🤡🤡

And then he took the admittance down. This fucking guy lmao

he didnt relize the modifiers, but I understand what your coming from. I hope he stops the speedrunning and sticks to his roots

Lmao

Especially now that he finally admitted to cheating

Whenever I encounter some super rare thing I always say "more likely thatn dream's speedrun"

it was never a compliment lmao

To the point where "dream luck" is becoming a thing in meme speedrun category and i love it

lol

YES

This comment is the only thing that matters

@@Polarixcs2932 ikr

pretty funny comment. good job

Had me dying reading that lol

Took me a minute to understand that tbh. So, the quotes basically “Not cheating for a faster time in the run, its cheating to raise the chances of a decent time in a run

@@Damascene_ that's not exaaactly what it means, but it's close. The better at speedrunning you get, the more you're competing with world record, the more good RNG matters. It's not that having good rng increases the chances you get a decent time, it's that bad, or even moderate RNG kills your run straight up. You don't get a bad time, you run just ends. You don't get a time at all. The wind waker any% speedrun was asscheeks for a long time (until a trick was discovered a few years ago that isn't rng), where at the very very end of a 2 hour run, there was an extremely RNG dependent trick you had to do (zombie fairy hover) and if you were competing for world record, if you missed it enough times, well tough luck you just wasted 2 hours try again buckoooo. Your run could be complete trash but if you got it first try you suddenly had 30 mins under your PB.

Speedrunners: Respekt

@@TheBaldingPied Oh. Thanks for clarifying

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@@syus8350 no

It wasn't a world record but the point still stands that his stans are stupid enough to believe that

Anything to avoid any and all personal responsibility.

Tiananmen square all over again

Also Dream when Stans Hunter duplicated themselves: *Imma private my response*

@@rayisi1502 hm? That event never happened. /s

@@ren5689 [REDACTED]

@@ren5689 Tone indicator makes the joke still funny /s

Underrated 😂😂

Yes, the floor is made of floor

Lava is hot

in his video he says that alot of his audience come to him cause he's an expert in speed running in general. And i doubt if he wasn't asked to, then it wouldn't have made this video. So I'm pretty sure he attracted an audience away from a game like minecraft so he gets discriptive for those people who know little about the game. also, idk if you knew this but Dream actually means *7.7 billion*

​@@oblivious3357 Did... did you miss the comment entirely?

Sextillion

@@beechboiii it was 20 sextillion Before with bartering it was 177 billion

@@beechboiii ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@Zenki X haha SEXtillion 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@hydraulicfacechannel2147 1 in 20.000.000.000.000.000.000.000, guess dream just got lucky

Nah, now "it was an accident and it's old news so let it go."

Did something happen? I just watched the video and I don't really follow the Minecraft scene It is interesting tho lol

@@Tael98 this vid is from back when Dream was being accused of cheating... Recently, Dream came out with a document explaing how he accidently cheated. The OP above is referencing the fact that this video had 7k dislikes (which were all probably Dream stans, aka children) Honestly, the best part of this controversy had to be the Dream stans trying to explain it all. Getting mad for saying that Dream cheated. Getting mad for bringing evidence into the fold. Getting mad at people criticizing Dream for using such a long time before coming out with the truth. Defending Dream because he was so 'brave' for coming out with the truth. It's laughable. so fucking funny.

@@VideosProoo The stans have now moved on to „it’s only a stupid block game who cares. Also everybody cheats“. I know they’re just little kids but geez

@@VideosProoo How does one "accidentally" cheat? Next he's gonna be saying someone else modified his copy of Minecraft.

“I’m the top of my class in 2nd grade math”

“Yeah i am an expert in maths! I won the 3rd grade math competition!”

"i can do 12x12"

"I got a participation award"

Hey guys I know that 0 comes AFTER 1 (yes, after) so I know math and dream is obviously right!

It's because Dream is a famous scientist, why else wouldn't he show his face?

If it was actually real, I can understand wanting to remain anonymous tbh. Your a very well regarded astrophysicist and then you start writing papers on a youtubers Minecraft speed run drama. Not a very good look lol.

@@TheAnimationStationTAS he was the one that got the Apollo rocket to the moon, he simply changed the gravitational force of the earth in the code, which meant it was easier for the rocket to get to space

Just commented same thing rofl. And it was going to be "published either way" my ass

@@_ikako_ I thought he was the one who stopped world hunger by increasing the drop rate on sheep.

More like Fortune M

@@AED10 probaly dream use all fortune on 2020 for himself

Don'r forget the Fortune III LED strips

@@kingmystery8425 stolen joke from top comments on almost every video about the subject

He has fortune MCIII

I remember you! Your name at least.

@Trump Pence good. It’s okay to enjoy his manhunts.

@Trump Pence I used to enjoy his manhunts a lot, but now I just don't, he has completely changed in my eyes

@Trump Pence I guess that its just repetitive content thats why i guess

please don't call his stans rabid. I'm pretty sure rabies patients don't want to be associated with dream stans

Takes one to know one, I guess.

He knows his shit.

Ah the classic projection

@@jackthehacker05loll😂

Well he knew that it was fake because he faked speedruns the same way

agreed

Yea

It's just that... Well..

or better "not surprised, still disappointed"

@@tikket10 Same man

69% Nice.

@@shayurbadal572 That is what I’m thinking.

Lol

I would assume 2/3 if he was going for nice numbers.

@TheThunderGuyS I thought he did that for sextillion. Did I miss one for 69‰

Lol then deleted it

You comment is, just like most things regarding this situation, very misleading. Watch Karl's most recent video about Dream for the truth.

@@bengtbengt3850 Hey hun I made this comment before Karl released his updated video, which I did watch multiple times, but thanks for the recommendation

*ahem* game theory

@@rayanmalik5744 ikr I like the dude but it's so fucking obvious he cheated, there was a comment here, saying if ten billion people all done the speedrun, not one of them would get dreams 'luck.'

@@crippledcow2235 Lucky dosent mean impossible.

@@Destro65 oh piss off it *is* impossible for one person in our lifetimes to do it.

@@Destro65 True, but, the odds if it happening are so astronomically ridiculous that to even consider it having actually happened is not only pointless, but stupid.

Yeah Like I play hollow knight and i did every boss and No hits (which I did) And some dude walks and tells they did it as well but shows no evidence and is being jerk and try to hide he's cheating Of course I am gonna get angry because doing every boss radiant (which means in the game as doing the boss no hit) it just so spite me for even trying to it honestly.

It very much matters and I would have been slapping any fan who said otherwise.

It actually does not matter if Dream cheated or not, to his community, knowing his content isn't focused on speedrunning and this drama will be buried by his popularity so I don't get why people still argue against the evidence, math, and simulations that he cheated. What makes this issue so wrong is that after all of this, if Dream won't admit his run was tampered it's the integrity of the speedrunning community that is ruined. If a person can get away with cheating like that, others will think it's okay too. I am actually a fan of his content but I stayed updated because of the math lol. I never even thought that simulations can be ran from the data given, the more I know now.

Dream did a video on his second channel proving his innocence

@@deathy2885 Hahahahaha Oh no bruh karp watch that tooo and btw it got debunked also simulations

LMAO

You watch those videos too?

REDDIT MOMENT.

😐 reddit mfs always be the most unfunniest i swear

The joke isn't even funny

Came from Game Theory?

@@aaronking2020 lmao game theory ran with the dad that went to get milk when he was asked if dream cheated

@@aaronking2020 it'd be better because Game Theory's conclusion is that it doesn't matter if Dream cheated.

@@noxXxnocti Why do you think that the conclusion is good?

Matpat just wanted to get in on the drama without taking a side and calling speedrunning a "lottery"

And top of that selling a worthless coin badge for 20 usd bothers me more.

Apologized to the "very unprofessional" moderators, what a stand up guy...

I wouldn't mind someone cheating if A) admitted it B) sincerely apologized for doing it Bonus: they meme and joke about it And he did neither of those 2 EVEN AFTER ADMITTING IT. What a fucking guy ain't he? 🤡

It was honestly a non-apology. He didn't apologise for anything, he didn't apologise or acknowledge the threats his fans sent to the speedrun mods and anyone else reporting on it. He didn't even take blame for any of it, and then after all he said, he deleted the pastebin and tweet about it.

@@rocketlanterns That's just not true lol. Did you read the second apology addressed specifically to the mods and the speedrunning community? And he didn't delete the pastebin either (it's impossible to delete a post as a guest), it just got taken down because it got mass reported.

People who DARE try to reach synthesis by listening to both sides are OBVIOUSLY just stupid fencesitters, duh. Thanks Internet.

@Bird Face and horrifying

bup pulls this post off even better

@@mr.personalspace7831 It's not personal animosity, it's Hegelian Dialectics

Ceaser isn't a fencesitter, but Caesar sure is

lmao

Henocide

I get the reference

Badabun looking headass 🤣

passing minecraft in 5 minutes

Here's a tip: his 1.15 runs were cheated. there's a reason he was the only person running them

He finally admitted to cheating yesterday, not that people who knew how to read or basic statistics thought anything else

@@raevemaeve4323 i wouldn't even say he admitted it, he shifted all the blame onto the mods of MineCraft lol

@@JackTheripper911 Well, yeah. He still wanted to save some face so he made some more excuses. At least nobody can deny he had mods active lol

@@raevemaeve4323 but people will say that he has done nothing worn sadly

didn’t he quit speedruning after he got accused of cheating?

@@angadgrewal9324 nope he did not he can still pass runs thats quite sad

@@evangelinelomboy260 He can still submit them, but he has to provide exhaustive proof he didn't cheat them

@@i_Soar Shame nobody else who ever got caught cheating got that same opportunity. For anyone else it would've been a straight ban, that's it. Pisses me off that he gets this special treatment just because he's big

@@obamaorb7426 The double standard of most fans is the worst part of the whole sorry ordeal. Any other runner would lose their popularity instantly, but dream is able to hide behind his fanbase

Me waiting for the statistics paper in two months proving that Jobst was cheating as well lmao

JUDAS!!!

Lol

that would've been the most based power move in history

That's what I also thought lmao

Brother

“Brother I am hit here” badger

he spittin some straight fax doe

how it be

"BROOOOTHEEER!" - Liquid Snake, Metal Gear Solid

@Trump Pence ikr

Tbh I don't think his content could be seen as good- at all. If we're talking about good, let's look back at Popularmmos, captainsparklez, and stampy. 😔👋

@@chihiroadored fax

@Philippine Empire Mapping OH YOU RIGHT!!! Dantdm hit the spot ngl

@Philippine Empire Mapping same 😔 those were the homies back in the day

being that 1 Sextillion = 1000 Quintillion, it's 1111 times less likely.

@@Bruno-xi3jm you shouldn't like cheaters

@@Bruno-xi3jm the fuck does that mean?

E

@@TURPEG no

true😂😂

Wrong, its priceless

No it isn't free

Sounds suspect

@@XraynPR Karl sus

Last time I checked they spawned spiders

1 in a Mil chance of actually spawning blazes instead of other mobs

blaze spawner exist blazes faster

Nice

its cause he's innocent, see he knows he doesn't need to prove his innocence, his innocence is clear in his honest, soft eyes and his roguish voice

@@rayanmalik5744 hes not, he thinks that deleting the video can just pretend nothing has happened and not ruining his reputation

@@alivingcreatur i was being intensely satirical

@@rayanmalik5744 he’s too handsome to be guilty

Sun Tsu said that. And I'd say he knows a little bit more about cheating than you do pal, because he invented it.

@@notonthrax And then he perfected it so no living man could best him in the ring of scandals

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

@@MrSNESwithMemes *obviously hacked Soldier gameplay plays*

"To the left!" 'MAGGOTS' *tosses gold ingot at piglin on the left, gets another Eye of Ender*

Water contains water

Together, we can stop this

Minecraft is made out of minecraft

Stolen comment

That's a waterfall of water!

tbh idc about fake speedrunning, look at other dream's content (Minecraft, but ... ), it's very enjoyable to watch, even with his team like george etc. That's why his subs increase so fast.

@@Cornysz i dont know what is so Entertaining about a "pro" Beating up 3 Noobs

@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 their screaming

@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 I don't know why people don't understand they better than average people not noobs who literally don't even know how craft

@@Cornysz it matters when other people work so hard to get records and this Dream guy comes in and cheats his way up, it’s very scummy.

He did, wow

"Im innocent"

I think I heard something about in a deleted Twitter reply he confirmed he was guilty

@@leaf9509 yeah, but he never said he would delete is response video, lol

yeah it's private now, lol

Lmao , facts

@@zoramy9376 fax

The police do that too

not really anything else you can do though.

@@gpheonix1 have the investigation be carried out by a 3rd party which is not part of the company? Or in dreams case, ask someone who isn't biases in any way to make a judgement (they should be reputable and well versed in such knowledge)

Yeah exactly. Its so disrespectful to the other speedrunners who are grinding away for these times legit. Completely destroys the sanctity of the competition. I think everyone at some point has gone into creative mode and given themselves an inventory full of diamonds than switched back to survival. But it's so insulting to do that and say it's legit because it shows he thinks his fans are too stupid to know better.

Agree. Hell, any minecraft video out there is scripted in some way or given items at some point while off cam. It's all about the content.

I never though about it that way. Thank you

@@thomasmathew13 u can watch his full unedited manhunt lmao

@@peytondooley2031 that does not mean it was not scripted

@Trump Pence his odds are impossible in game codes, yet people say it's still possible......

@@justanidiot3994 game codes?

@@pringlepenguin2448 yeah, he moded the game codes.

@@justanidiot3994 code.

@Trump Pence when?

that's how you know it was faked

Exactly

and he didn't drank soda while in the loading screens, also his heart rate was totally above 100 the evidence is literally infront of our faces all along

Lol

waiting for the likes

The avengers just won because Dr Strange cheated I think we should deem that timeline as illegitimate

@@f.b.i.853 I agree shut it down.

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"respectfully" ironic

Respectful is not the word *I* would use...

@Apple TDS alert! TDS alert, everyone! You could have went five seconds without mentioning orange man bad. I guess you people really are NPCs :)

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 this isnt even "orange man bad" he just said that dreams twitter responses were worded similar to trump tweets

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Someone: Alludes to bad qualities of Trump. NPC: Trump Derangement Syndrome. Orange man bad. NPC.

Yessir

Another verified RU-vidr I don't know

@@kingofthedarknessbelow9833 another unverified user I don’t know

@@zendrive-4904 what the heck

@@kingofthedarknessbelow9833 top ten weirdest user name ever

Unfortunately this is truer than we'd all like to admit...

Most of the american players actually are 20 years old on average, I don't think it's fair to put the Dream community and the entire Minecraft community in the same place.

Honestly, i dont understand and im an adult

The one year when minecraft had 130 players and I was the only child.

Not even advanced statistics, most of the material is intro level. Statistics is just a brutal subject overall that pulls from several different topics in mathematics in a unique and meaningful way.

Astrophysicist? bruh this guy playing Minecraft in space

I've seen people saying it's in the document dream provided, it's a harvard graduate working at a company. The company is fairly recent which people found suspicious

@@Bladieblah yeah only made in 2011 lmao

@@Bladieblah he also did shit math, which most people would find suspicious.

Lol since when are astrophysics and videogame probability the same thing? Even if that astrophysicist is a highly professional one, wouldn't it make more sense to hire eg a professional statistician/programmer or something?!

yeah, they didnt even bother to cite the sources in wikipedia. it was the wiki itself. also, latex is not a program, it is a language, but yes, Im also guilty of committing the quotes mistake.

That "astrostastistician from Harvard" was just a random anonymous dude from a shady website Dream hired to write the paper for him. Dream liked to claim that the mods were biased, but he forgot that funding bias is also a thing so even if his guy was real, the party that did it couldn't be counted as unaffiliated considering he paid them to write it (and even then, the paper itself claimed that Dream cheated but funnily enough he never even read it after the first few sentences so he didn't know)...

This is so true lol

Dream admitted that he rushed the mathematician for releasing the paper as he was getting a lot of bad press and he wanted to respond as soon as possible.

@@ayushagarwal3365 I mean, it makes sense to rush the paper since the people that published the first one did it before even telling him that they were investigating. Seems like a dick move to do that tbh, he doesn't have time to do anything before the bad press starts. But even with a rushed paper, if the maths don't make sense, he's lying.

Absolutely true. If you watch the video from Stand up Maths, he explains everything that was wrong with Dream's paper.

they can not know about speedrun, i didnt know about newer versions of minecraft

I didn't know most of this Since the netherupdate is VERY new

I've known speedrunning was a thing for a long time, but I never knew the ins and outs until just recently. Karl's videos have been pretty educational since he doesn't assume everybody knows how it works.

Oh hey sad cube boi

Yup, i had no idea what it was till now.

Dream knows he can’t counter the math so he just uses deception to make the mods look inexperienced. In the original Geosquare video the mods wanted to get a third party but dream didn’t because “third parties are biased to the side that paid for them”. What does he go and do, hire a third party and claim that they are unbiased.

@@aamaruvi and not only that, he literally told the mods that they are "clout chasing".Dream is right over his head with fame where no-one outside of this community knows who he really is lmao.

@@GoogieBuiscut The mods made a rebuttal to his document. Plus, I had any problems with his response myself, especailly how the website was made using Wix.

As far as I'm concerned, the simulations are by far the most reliable evidence that Dream cheated. The fact that the stats that the mods published apparently align with these simulations is very impressive.

Well we do know the mods are that who made the first document and the verified Reddit guy who made a debunking document to dreams respond. we know this people and the background from their public accounts, but the expert from Harvard the dream hired is anonymous he could be from Harvard or he could be a fan that’s in high school we don’t know his background beside what dream says and that’s not the most reliable in this problem. Dream needs to hire someone who is public and has a verified background to make a document to prove his innocences but until then with the current documents it looks to be dream is guilty of cheating

Do you refer to Stand-Up Maths or someone else?

@@kyrex1785 yeah i think so

💀💀💀

thinking about it more makes u realize literallyevery video has dislikes and its always like this you dont even get to wonder wy anymore

that aside tho i agree with you

There is no dislike now

This is a hell of a quote.

Speed runners*

u do know those 2 things are different

@@bloxyyt I think he just quoted it because it's a good quote

ca someine explain this to me i really dont understand what this means.

This has more to do with how random seed speedruns work, I doubt he intentionally cheated 5th place instead of 1st, he just didn't get the right seed for nr. 1. There's just too much randomness in minecraft speedruns compared with GoldenEye or old arcade games, which have very linear and predictable speedruns.

@@KartonRealista2 yeah these drop chances in set seed 1.16 would probably be a guaranteed 1st for any of the top players in just a few runs. (Unless set seed is like an already complete portal or something I haven’t seen 1.16 set seed)

@karton realista Maybe he did modify teh drop rates but other random elements were too unlucky for number 1. It is insanely optomized.

I only got 5th place in the olympics. Why even bother doing a drug test on me? Makes no sense bro. - Dream

Yeah

Lmao

Lmao

Lmao

Lmao

Lmao

i thought the title said innocent or gay

@@skullyeeters5305 probably the latter based on his fan base (Dream X George)

True, I reckon this whole situation will bring a rise to that

Some files are now required for top runs, but there are still ways to cheat that are basically undetectable. Fortunately, the way the meta has shifted recently has put much more emphasis on the seed you get rather than the rng you get within it, and set seeds are much easier to detect than loot table manipulation.

Showing a hash of the files when the credits appear will help to mitigate this easily, I hope Mojang cooperates with the speedrunning community to implement such a feature

Speaking of which, how would you do that? I kinda stopped messing around with commandblocks, one command machines all that stuff right before the first 1.13 snapshot. I heard some myths here and there about datapacks, but I don‘t really know if it‘s just that

i actually find this very funny because dream was one of the first people complaining about this issue and gave a ton of (imo) good ideas as to how they could be more verifiable, yet here he is a couple months later cheating himself

why

@@raynbowshot6303 cause he cheated, duh!

@@kendricklamaristhegreatest oh

Why am i the only one here who gets the reference

@@Tired_Slime You aren't the only one.

Out of skill comes entitlement. He is one of the best players in the world. He played the game for a long time to master it. All that stands between him and the wr is a random factor he cant control. So he takes a shortcut thinking it would be the same result but just with less work.

Yeah... but he would not... would he?

Itll catch on, dont worry

There are already a bunch of memes about him just getting lucky so I wouldn’t be surprised lmao

There’s already memes like “Dream going outside but getting thunder stormed repeatedly due to his luck”

minecraft 1.16 dream% incoming

New trope?

"wOw bRo, ThAt hIt dIfFeReNt."

@@no-qm4ug lmao dream stan

@@Austin-db6fl how does that make him a dream stan

@@Austin-db6fl AMIR was referring to the unoriginal comments about "it hits different now" which a lot of people uses for free likes, even tho they never understood about the original idea of the comment/video. So instead of throwing out of your mouth "lol dream stan", try to *think* before commenting something. Thanks and have fun.

@「STAND NAME」Kero Kero Bonito「STAND MASTER」Flamingo it doesn't try to justify anything, cheaters are still assholes. It just gives insight to their motivation.

What's more awful is that a few months prior he caught a speed runner 'Drem' cheating. He did indeed cheat in his speed run and because Dream caught him of cheating, half his obsessive fans just went over and sent that mans hate, and ruined basically his whole RU-vid career. ...and then a few months later Dream is officially accused of cheating his Speedruns and is a frickin hypocrite but his subscriber count has only really grown and the speedrunning controversy probably only got him more views and made him more widely known on the platform.

It would be better if he said nothing at all.

This is the most underrated comment on RU-vid I have ever seen. This is the comment I was looking for. It describes the whole entire situation.

@@coastalbeaches7181 another thing, dream actually said in one of his twitch streams to not harass drem at all, but his stans still acted otherwise

Pure. Facts.

its cause he's innocent, see he knows he doesn't need to prove his innocence, his innocence is clear in his honest, soft eyes and his roguish voice

@@rayanmalik5744 pls tell me your trolling, if not, stfu stan

@@SovietYugoslav b r u h how can you read that and think i'm serious

@@rayanmalik5744again, don't expect people to know that its a sarcasm

@@rayanmalik5744 thru text

He already did the second option you mentioned.

@@xnadulxnadul7741 Yeah, too little too late. The issue was that instead of handling that way from the very beginning, he was constantly calling the mods' credibility into question, harassed them for removing his run, and indirectly encouraged his fanbase to harass them as a result. And in the end, the closest he could come to "I understand their decision" was basically "At this point I don't really care if the run is verified anymore, but here's why they're wrong and how far off their calculations were," while not even addressing the fact that he had his anonymous professional add in 5 additional streams from 2 months prior in a clear attempt to skew the data *after* complaining they didn't do enough to adjust for stoppage. His response video was filled with condescension towards the mods as well, basically saying "Well I know these guys are young and not exactly professionals" to attack their credibility instead of presenting any actual errors in their calculations. He also made it sound as though they were biasing the data *against* him when in reality all he was proving was that maybe they didn't bias it in his favor *as much as they possibly could have.* No matter how calm about the situation he is now, his response as a whole was a far cry from just saying "Yeah, I understand," and was still disingenuous at best. No matter how much better he does now and in the future, that doesn't mean he didn't handle it poorly for weeks on end.

I do agree that he handled it immaturely, and that he absolutely should be professional given his following, that's one of the responsibilities of a celebrity of any kind, due to their influence, though please do remember that he's only human and probably has a lot of stress on his shoulders. Either he is innocent, in which case him getting angry is very understandable, as he'd been publicly, falsely accused and couldn't really do anything to stop his reputation from taking a permanent blow, especially after talking to the mods to have a setup to prevent this exact thing from happening. Or he's guilty, in which case he probably should've seen it coming, though I still believe he has good reason to get mad. The mods made it way more public than it really should've been, probably knowing that even something so minor would be a big blow to his reputation. To be clear I'm not saying the mods are the "villains" or anything, nobody is perfect. And one last thing, he has a personal life and could be going through a bad time. The last thing anyone needs is either massive hate based on something wrong, or massive hate based on something insignificant. Please be nice, I know he's a grown man and this is the real world, etc. etc., but words are some of the most hurtful things in "the real world" and the shortcomings of others shouldn't be used as an excuse for your own shortcomings. (That wasn't to anyone in particular, btw, just anyone reading, and while I'm aware it isn't relevant to this conversation please consider it)

@@lagc5103 Not a genuine apology because it still involves lying.

Couldn't have worded it better, fam. I too am a fan of Dream since the hunters were only George and Sapnap. Yes, I enjoy his content, but I totally agree with everything you said. I no longer care if he cheated or not because all sides claim to be right and I don't want to dig any further into this anymore. It's true that he handled this issue kinda poorly, whether he did cheat or not. He kinda didn't come off as legitimate with his defense, although he did re-arrange his defense and I give him props for that, no matter how late it is. That said, I just wish for the best for this issue and I'll just neutrally sit by here until a proper conclusion is reached.

That's litterally his dream smp character in the Tommy exile arc

@@hureian6212 what else is going to happen? If you get accused of cheating with your reputation on stake, you are going to do?

@@hureian6212 The point of manipulation is that no one can tell it's manipulation except for people who aren't affected by it.

He manipulated his fanbase and close friends to defend him the entire time, and that's fucking disgusting.

did he cheat? probably. do i care? no. Did he tackle the issue well? Definitely not.

he released a whole ass list of his boundaries with a whole paragraph about harassment and hate on his behalf is not right, and he will block, any of his stans who do this(which he is doing).

@@ShauryaHallow his fanbase is too low leveled to read

@@staringcorgi6475 nah fam everyone has read it now and stans accounts are rapidly going private, he is blocking some that appear on his timeline, pepple have started mass reporting stan accounts too, toxicity has gone down by a lot since he released that, and he only ever released that like a week ago

Totally agree, Dream's response with his initial angry rant came off to me as "Oh crap they caught me."

Damn respect

Wow... That's actually really profound

Wow an actual comment that makes sense and not dumb rambling or arguing back n forth😂

Disagree. The guilty when accused already know they are in the wrong so often they end up trying to talk their way out of it. When the innocent are accused it's a direct insult and they feel wronged so they will often act more aggressively and be more confrontational because of the injustice. It ofc depends who accuses you. If you beat some scrub and he calls you a cheat you feel flattered so you might mock them or be gracious. If someone is accused and deemed a cheat by authorities it's a completely different scenario. It's just that we don't see that many serious actions taken against the innocent. However, if you look at criminal cases where someone innocent is being accused they will often strike back at the accusations much more than the guilty.

Me neither bro, but it's undeniable.

Try watching dreams video, it’s very hard to tell. I don’t even know at this point

@@taMeska I think the astrophysicist’s math has been debunked i think in reddit I think and a math youtuber whos video is being used in the mod team’s rebuttal Edit: the channel name is Mathemaniac whos video is being used as a part of mod team’s rebuttal

@@seb______ wait I'm not sure if this was true but didn't the mod team say there was flaws in the redditors math also idk just something I saw

I can't even achieve that luck. And it took me 3 hours, 12 blocks of gold and approximately 132 gold ingots to get a friggin enderpearl from a piglin

That's my favourite thing about it

Agreed... people definetly went on the offensive too quickly on it all.

Yeah man, it's karl

Inb4 Dream: *"CLICKBAIT!"*

Exactly and because he's patiently waited he's made a well made researched video that deserves a lot of credit

really

@@sejadjasem3706 yeah

Whoops, I "accidently" impregnated my sister!

@@TheTundraTerror whoops, I accidentally kissed a guy after asking to kiss him!

@@TheTundraTerror sus

@@TheTundraTerror *Sweet home Alabama playing on banjos in the distance*

I get that. I, too, always accidentally cheat on exams

Shut up 😁

@@valerienotfound3898 you shut up he just stated the truth

@@valerienotfound3898 found the dream stan

ah after they yelled at each other to finish faster, duh

@@valerienotfound3898 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHSHSHAHAHAG im legit crying right now at your comments in this channel, get off here dream Stan, he cheated that's it, your God cheated and is no longer a God. Thanks to you my stomach hurts from how much I laughed at you lmaooo

Oh dang it’s a random verified person I actually know edit: gottem I don’t care about likes

is nice

SB737 is an absolute legend confirmed

Hi sb :D

Hello

@Bruh Meme maybe they think that the ods were done wrong. Tbh thats what I thought before watching dreams "defense" video.

Hey, 10-12 year olds aren't so stupid they wouldn't understand that dream cheated. I can say this as a former 12 year old.

lol im 11 and this is stupid like he OBVIOUSLY cheated nobody is that dumb I mean ofc without stans

@@xyzzy1692 im 11 and im glad you said that kinda tired of being called a idiot over and over

Except that one person I found who "Is 30 years old and makes more in 3 months than you, your mom and Dad combined."

More like "back here". I watched this video the first time months ago. Good to be back!

Lol that guy made a novel explaining why even thinking that he cheated was ultra dumb

billy mitchel and other guy todd rodger

i was thinking te same lmfaoooooo

@@stodgycone5849 bro i think i know who you're talking about, i have the entire copypasta of it too lmao

You humour me greatly with your arrogance and contempt, a flood of accusations born from the poison of envy and smite of disrespect. I feel both disappointment and flattery these thoughts would originate from another player who has demonstrated one of a kind talent and has accomplished the impossible, yet is apparently immune from judgement owing to their reputation, do not think your words hold more credibility just because of who you are, being more well known and what you have accomplished in breaking world records and setting ones never previously accomplished, such as with TNT and Plutonia Nightmare. With that being said I will divulge my thoughts on the serious accusations you have set forth. I won't address the individual gameplay scenarios you've highlighted, as the foundation of your argument arises from jealously, this is clear when you contrast my success with your failure, being deluded into thinking you should have surpassed these trials yet cannot absolutely comprehend how someone else can claim victory on a consistent basis, instead I will address my playing ability. You know nothing about who I am or my history with this game, I am exceptionally talented not only at Doom, but other oldschool FPS along with videogames in general. I make speedruns and partake in Ironman out of passion for the game, it is a personal challenge in testing my playing ability to overcome arduous odds, I play for fun, it's about me vs the game and I hold no strong competitive urge or desire to be known as the best, reputation and status are not important to me but having fun is essential. Are you serious when you can't believe someone can beat an Ironman consistently? It's just playing the game without saving or loading, do you not have a fundamental understanding of the core gameplay and how to the play game correctly? Am I the only one who can play aggressively, with an intuitive and innate ability to bend the game to their will and not panic when in a dire situation, but with tactical genius aware of my surroundings and dexterous reflexes can act in the heat of battle and overcome arduous odds? When you highlight cases of RNG, I honestly don't think about it that deeply, I'm confident in what I'm doing, I'll make a risky move and hold strong with faith. I laugh at your baseless accusations of slowdown in reference to Stardate, I'm sure other skilled players such as Mrzzul and Nevanos could playthrough Stardate casually withour prior practice or saving and get just as far. Also bear in mind that I have died in several Ironmans before, do you honestly think their was demo manipulation there? You also demonstrate your ignorance very clearly when you admit you haven't watched my Ironman demos in full, and by watching I do mean actually studying them and assessing each scenario, bearing in mind my experience and ability at Doom which is extradonary, not skipping to a random moment and making up fabrications based on your own failures thinking oh it's impossible, their is no way any player could accomplish that. I do make mistakes, sometimes crucial ones, this is also reflected if you studied my speedruns which are far from perfect and have flaws such as missing shots, awkward movement and poor dodging, however a key skill I have is not panicing when low on health or when the circumstance is dire. Well guess what, I'm one of a kind, no one can play the game like me, every talented player and speedrunner has their own strengths and weaknesses that make them stand out. I am deluded when you suggest someone must have prior knowledge to stand a chance of victory at Ironman. Well look at Demon of the Well, he's not a speedrunner but is known for making FDAs both blind and familiar, he has an exceptional ability at conquering maps on his first attempt, the most prominent example I can think of is rdwpa's MuMe.wad. Does that mean he cheats? Certainly not, he's a talented player who obviously has a high level of playing ability. You also have j4rio and 0xfooba who have accomplished amazing demos that haven't been set before, with the former tysons that should be impossible and the latter UV-Maxes on some the hardest maps devised and speedrun movies of Sunlust. So why would you think my speedruns are cheated, when their are fellow speedrunners who have demonstrated extraordinary playing ability, do not stream and have surpassed my demos? As I certainly have never accussed anyone else of cheating, but respect their accomplishment and admire their tenacity at conquering very hard maps and goals. I have not shown jealously or malice towards fellow speedrunners who have surpassed my demos but silently congratulate and admire their accomplishment, in some cases publicly such as when Ancalagon went back and re-ran Combat Shock in response to when I beat his old runs. I do not look at speedrunning with a competitive eye, thinking I must have the record and surpass my competitor, instead my view is a cooperative one, it's us speedrunners against the game, building on one another's ideas and talent when a new record is set, complementing each other's unique strengths and weaknesses. My question would be why are you accusing and targetting me specifically? I can see from the depths of your arrogance, you believe with absolute certainty you are correct and I must be a cheater with any form of rebuttal being null and void. Well let me state clearly I have nothing to gain, why would I cheat at Ironman when I have pubically stated previously I do not care about winning or if a fellow player surpasses me, this is just fun to me. For speedruns, what would be the purpose in cheating as it's a personal challenge to me, I want to demonstrate to myself I've got the skill and talent to conquer very hard maps, it's about me against the game and I don't feel jealously at a fellow speedrunner who has beaten my record. I make speedruns out of passion and love for the game and not for admiration or self flattery, as long as Andy accepts the demo for DSDA that's all I care about. I am not going to stream as I do not care for an audience and am not influenced by the accusations of an envious stranger. I only streamed briefly for a short time in the past out of curiosity, but it does not interest me nor do I feel passion for it. I haven't watched Twitch in over a year, I was drawn to it in my spare time during the short period prior to my first full time job after finishing my studies. My life has changed a lot in the past two years and their are far more important aspects in life which draw my attention, I have little free time as well. Also you must be very self-conscious if you honestly think one has to stream their demo to demonstrate they aren't cheating, that just indicates your disrespect and distrust towards other players with exceptional playing ability, you'll never be a talented survivalist like me :) Let me make it clear I don't give a damn what you or anyone else thinks of me, when I am passionate about a subject I will speak my mind truthfully even if it means being brash at times, both online and in real life, I won't be intimidated by anyone and will confront them with assertion and confidence. I'm here for fun, making speedruns and commenting on subjects once in a while which capture my eye. Thank you for revealing your true colors, seething with jealously and enveloped by arrogance, you've lost what respect I had for you. If you've come to your senses you will offer an apology, take a good luck in the mirror before you make such a disgusting accusation against a fellow Doom player, who has not caused strife and discord but shows humility and respect with a care free attitude, or will you continue this charade and repeat history, replicating the case of Okuplok? If you do continue to accuse, it will be solely for my amusement as I will not take you seriously and will likely ignore you. Choose wisely. - BlooditeKrypto

Amazing quote

Indeed

Can someone please explain this quote, I only undrrstand a bit of it

@@arandominternetuser4507 It means that the speedrunner knows that he can get a faster time if they would have better luck. So they cheat to get rid of the rng aspect.

@@arandominternetuser4507 I think it means that speedrunners cheat not necessarily to get better time, but to get that time earlier in their careers and skip the grind, since they know they had the skill to eventually reach said record someday.

@@mekyiamky6285 Shut up stan

@@mekyiamky6285 please be quiet

I agree

It's not even that hard either. Modifying barter rates is as easy as enabling a datapack, which is a zip file containing 2 files in a few folders.

@@williewillus Or even easier, changing a number manually in a .json file in notepad

this is very hard and complicated. and i think he plays on mac which probably makes it more complicated. but i kinda see your point, there are always a lot of ways to cheat, especially in minecraft

there was some problems with the geosquare video about him modding, which concludes me to this: Dream didn't cheat, but the probability is so low that it will be taken out of the speedrun leaderboard

😂😂😂

Omg I watched that movie over 50 times no joke

I quote "so you mean there's a chance" far too much for my own sake

LOL, something can happen or something can't happen. There is no middle ground. Even in simple game like Can't Stop one can see how lucky people can be.

or something like "here is smart person he says you are wrong now go away stupid"

He’s full of integrity and *legitimacy*

I think he also had found of cheating

A true role model in the subject!

Takes one to know one. lol

Charms in Minecraft be like.

I see you thread through the path of pain

that's just f3 my guy

Minecraft Speedrunner vs Statisticians FINALE REMATCH REMATCH (again)

In this video. I try to speed run mincraft (modified) with the whole speedrun community trying to kill me. Will I kill the ender dragon or will I die to the community. Let's find out.

Also only a small percentage of the world is subscribed plz subscribe

@steve yakuza +r/statistics

Put speedrunner in quotes @Toby knecht

No I think RNGesus was the Stan himself

Man that should have more likes

underrated comment

Stolen.

Lol