Dressage Disaster: BLOOD Elimination For Andreas Helgstrand 

Any interest in doing a video to talk about this?

I've read a Danish TV show, Project X has send a groom undercover at their stables, but I cannot find the footage myself

​@@platgeslagengehaktbalAs far as I know the footage isn't published yet.

I don't like his way of training horses... Pulling on the rains, kicking with spurs, not a calm way of riding

I have noticed that a lot of his horses have capped hocks. I don't even want to imagine the torturing training methods he uses. He should be banned from the dressage sport no should he ever be allowed to get near an animal ever again. Not even a cock roach.

Exactly!!

And then he looked irritated that he was excused… that wasn’t just a little bit either

This could and does happen to anyone. I watched this live and his reaction was of resignation just like anyone would. The horse could have bitten his tongue, anything. But the vultures here will try to make the most of it. Of course he was disappointed, it was a big competition! And the nicest people have been eliminated for the same reason. There are some very unpleasant people here.

@@louisemaguire944 I understand what can happen but there are rules as there should be to protect the horse.

@@louisemaguire944 such a coincidence that it happened two competitions in a row..

Pompous

I think he was surprised. So many riders don't know how much pressure they have in their hands (and therefore even more pressure/pain in the horse's mouth, because of the double bridle).

@@riannekuilder7374 I have been working with and riding horses my entire life, for fun, as a passion near and dear to my heart, and I am very in tune with my horses. I am most definitely not a professional, but this man, *is* supposed to be a professional equestrian… and expert… and he doesn’t know how much pressure he’s applying or what effect(s) it has on the horse he’s practiced with for a very long time, on a regular basis? I don’t buy that for a second.

Yeah. It seems to be quiet normal in the sport. Shows how broken the system became . I wish dressage could be again like Reiner Klimke times. The only positive example for me is Ingrid Klimke.

@@kitsune6701 I fully agree

All "sports" with animals should be banned.

@@raimobrunning3657 it shouldnt be banned. The ABUSE should be banned.

Follow the money. He makes money. That's all he cares about. That's all the entire freaking equestrian. World cares about. It is disgusting. Don't even tell me. They love these horses. That's like beating your child and telling me you love them. Not buying it.

Because clearly you care about your horse. It's not just a means to a thicker wallet.

It probably happens them often, which is exactly why those bits should go. 2 in 1 mouth... It's crazy.... I'd be upset checking my horse immediately too

@@lieke9460 I ride in a double bridle and have for years. You have to ride with soft hands and soft arms and the nuance the bits create is really nice. But the way they ride with them at this level of competition is not with soft hands and soft arms. These riders are where they are because of money and politics, not talent. The truly talented riders have no interest in the ego circus of horse shows.

Relax. Helgstrand said it bite itself while eating. .I guess too many sugar cubes. We all love sugar cubes mom and dad too. And horses loves sugar cubes. And Helgstrand knows that. Because he is an expert !

@@Gent47 Please tell me you’re being sarcastic and you don’t really believe that

It will be broadcast right around our American Thanksgiving (this week). Would love to see it translated to English. This fellow is no horseman and I have pity for the horses in his "care"!

It's on the news right now. What a subhuman helgstrand is !!

​@@raimobrunning3657 No more sugar cubes. No more mister nice guy! Helgstrand will show the horse who to obey. And Helgstrand is very strong!

@@Gent47 You mean no more sugar to helgstrand, are you talking to me?

@@raimobrunning3657they are hypothetically quoting Helgestrand

that pathetic passage was painful to watch. No expression or self carriage, just a sad shut down horse.

Agreed, it didn't flow at all.

Because he's in pain. 💔 🤘

Yeah it looked horrible, like a robot.

Helgstrand is an well respected expert. Said the horse bite itself . I think..too many sugar cubes

@@Gent47 I don't think you can call him "well respected" anymore

I'd like to see the banning of nose bands altogether

That's the real proof. Recurring issues ...

How bout just banning the "sport"🤔? 💖 🤘

First thing she said was what a shame. Yeah, shame this keeps happening to horses

@@waspbitch6014 I keep trying to find the good but for the commentator to say What a Shame shows you how deluded they are. You keep having horses with blood in their mouths. Clean it up or stop doing it

@@sharihazlett3774 No argument with me!👍💕 💖 🤘

Relax. Helgstrand said the bite itself while eating. And he is an Expert. Yes too many sugar cubes

Simply a result of too many sugar cubes. It may bite itself as Helgstrand said. And he is an expert and have force and power with horse. He just look the horse in the eye. And the horse obey. A real expert.

@@Gent47 Hmmm, obviously fed those sharp edged sugar cubes. I would agree to too many sugar cubes causing enhanced foaming, in a human attempt to get the horse playing with & accepting the bit. Old hopeful trick. Never used it. Made too much of a slobbery messy mouth. Plus, it doesn't make magic happen. Horses really aren't that easily fooled. The trick is, to use a soft snaffle, soft hands, earn trust, think like the horse, understood communication, release pressure, train with intense patience, within mental & physical capacity & capability. If you're one with your horse, and its all good and gravy, then the horse is relaxed, knows its job, wants to please, gets praised, develops without stress, not forced, not fearful, and if the horse is able, the horse will. I will draw the line at blaming a melting sugar cube, being sucked on by a horse, who apparently is a pro at eating sugar cubes, to suddenly bite down spastically, on a tiny melting sugar cube, with enough chomp to bite its inner cheek or pierce its own tongue, to cause dripping blood. Probably not. UNLESS, everything is so fkng tight, punishing bit & the noseband is cinched buckled so tightly, that the horse couldn't help but bite its own tongue. Sugar cube or not, that's a problem. And, to reiterate, to your own words & comment, that, he is a strong and powerful rider, and such an expert & that he has only to look a horse in the eye, to control it...... Ummmmm lol lol lol. Like a trance rider? lol. Look into my eyes you beast of burden. Now, you will do as I transmit orders from my eyes, through your eyes and into your brain... Now, dance you beast! Oh wait a minute, I have to mount up, so remember my eyes.... Do as my eyes told you, before our ride begins. Do not defy my eyes.... lol. Ok. Nahh. One of my trainers lives in Denmark. Leif Sorenson. He was an Olympian, & trained an Olympic team, for Denmark. He regularly came to America, with his Stallion, Rambo, that he sold to Richard Freeman. He also clinician trained an Olympian, from our barn, who was on the Olympic team with Steffan Peters. He brought my Danish Warmblood to America. He trained my trainer, who already had her Gold medal. My point is, with all of my blessed & humbling exposure, to such high level, accomplished riders, I never never ever, in 30 years, saw one drop of blood foam from a horses mouth, in our stables, or our circle, and damn sure not from a sugar cube. But hey, Idk, I wasn't there. I cant accuse. The reference to being strong and powerful, should describe the horse, not the rider, nor the riders hands nor heels. Strong & powerful horse, & a patient, soft handed, talented, balanced & trusted rider. One who thinks like the horse. And reads & understands the horses eyes & body language. Equal understanding and trust.

​@@Gent47LOL an expert?! Not even close.

I've worked with wild and feral horses for 25 years. I don't use bits, I rarely use saddles. I don't ever EVER use force, fear, or pain. They are happy to have a partnership if you give them the option. When a horse chooses to be with you over being away from you, you're on the right path.

@@anonymoose116Right! Agreed. My comment went the long way around, like, short story long. And, I had to laugh at the remark made by commenter, that, all "he" the rider, has to do, is look into the horse's eyes, and the horse knows to instantly obey, is compliant & performs his rider's demands. Lol... Yeahhh, that works everytime. Lol.

So true the horses gaits are so unnatural too not just in this case but all of them

@@animallover4101 Agreed 💯%!💔🤘

Just reading Tug of War by Gerd Heuschmann… excellent! Also have his other book to read next, Balancing Act: The Horse in Sport which seems to elaborate on the first book. ArttoRide channel on RU-vid also teaches classical methods.

@@tropicaoptica Have you heard of Xenophon e.V.? They are teamed up veterinarians, equestrians, trainers and so on fighting against overbreeding and mistreating horses in professional sports. I think their videos here on YT could be very interesting for everybody who's into horse sports, fan or rider whatsoever. They explain why things go wrong today and what should be changed, based on valid arguments and studies, not emotion. And they also work together with Gerd Heuschmann. You will find many other books and articles on their website. Sadly it's all in written in German, but maybe Google can help.

Kittel? Really? I need to look into that... I've always seen him as one of the few who cares about his horses alot...

​​@@Ninjhbest known as Mr Blue Tongue

My thoughts exactly. Emile Faurie got eliminated at London International for a bloody mouth and never kicked up a fuss, he walked out on a long rein and gave him horse a pat, no flailing his arms about being a brat about it.

Like Andreas said . No more sugar cubes.

Andrea's is a top professional on the top. Maybe the elite horses are different when eating?

@@Gent47 No you dont understand. He ABUSES. Go Watch videos about the danish documentary about the Way they handle the horses. The horses gets bleeding Marks from spurs and stripes from the wip.

@@sofienielsen7625 but helgstrand is top professional ? Billion dollar business

@@sofienielsen7625 Helgstrand dressage will get a warning and a fine. 200 euros!

@@Gent47 He is a monster. They abuse horses very badly

All "sports" with animals must be banned 🚫

This guy is a horse abuser, there's a docu out on his stable now.

There is a proper and kind way to use a double bridle but it takes years of proper training of both horse and rider. I think you might be a little bit misinformed about what a professional rider is because most of these riders are not professional riders in the true sense they are usually millionaires or in this case a billionaire who buys There way to the top of the sport there's a documentary just realised about this guys cruel methods of training horses

@@allanwilson800 This kind of abuse is rampant in the horse world, it's about so much more than the Helgestrand stables.

@@coldwhitespring5004 I agree, it's everywhere and in every discipline. It breaks my heart, the horses deserve so much better.

@@allanwilson800 I have been an equestrian and following the industry for 30 years. I'm not confused. The definition of a professional rider is someone who rides and often trains horses for profit while competing at the highest level. Doesn't matter if they got there through extreme privilege. I would agree that a full bridle can be used right in the most ethical hands, however, the industry is severely lacking in ethics and therefore there's no place for allowing that kind of leverage. All it does is help enable the abuse.

Please post a video if you riding grand Prix better.

Agree, horses are high sensitive living beings ❤️🐎❤️

@@estellekeating2285 that is not what I am talking about. It's the awareness of what happens when we put the gear on horses and either get them to pull something or ride them. Horses were not created for man. But for themselves. Yes, we have improved their capacity to work with humans. But there is a negative side. We do damage. I come from a farming background where we would mustard sheep cattle and there we would get off the horses and walk “ to save them” when they were really needed. Without understanding, farmers could see the impact of a man riding horses. It takes an atoll. Nowadays we can prove this through forensic analysis of skeletal remains and imagining. So no matter the design or type of riding mindfulness is required. If you want to see a great partnership between horses and humans I suggest you look at Klaus Ferdinand Hemfling and also some old dressage masters Alois Podhajsky. As well as other well-known masters who I have just forgotten By the way have ridden dressage and love the melting of two different species as one. The feeling is incredible. So to bring in cattle with a healthy horse would be your partner

Doesnt mean all bits hurt. A hackamore is much harsher than fx a snaffle, do your research

Any bit in the wrong person’s hands can be severe.

Edward Gal was eliminatedfor blood with undercover

Lol what.. Kees visser was his trainer? 😂 he trained him from prison? He was just an owner, nothing more than a man with a lot of money, with a wife that loves dressage. Gal actually trains Tosca.. Nicole Werner has almost always been his trainer.. and Andreas is actually well known for his cruel methods. A lot of footage of him using rollkur.

@Claudia Gal trained with Sjef Janssen and Anky van Grunsven. My memory failed me a bit there. There's no need to be a b!tch about it.

@Julia I looked it up. He was indeed eliminated for blood in 2015... At least he was more understanding than most, Undercover was very tense and bit his lip, but Edward couldn't get off because Undercover wouldn't stop trotting... I dislike Gal's way of training, but I doubt anyone could have prevented this...

@@riannekuilder7374 I’m sorry, honestly didn’t mean it like that. It just painted a funny picture in my head..

wendy bit herself in the tongue

@@theadamholdt3185 ouch.

@@beetheequestrian6238 yaa sadly but she is perfectly fine and has gotten a day off.. =)

As someone mentioned above, even if the bit caused it or he bit his mouth, his rough and aggressive ride is clearly to blame.

He doesn't care, he's an animal abuser. It's shown with hidden camera in a docu about his stable now.

If I would have enough money, I'd like to adopt that horse❤️

@@anonymusanonymus3932Its good for the horse but you will support him and his cruel methods with buying a horse from him

Happens all the time at his stable, it's normal according to him. There's a docu out now showing the extent of the abuse, it's horrible.

At Helgstrand each and everyone get extra sugar cubes this holiday. Even the naughty horse.

@@Gent47 please don’t defend them. That doesn’t help the horses. Read the rest of the comments and stop being so ignorant. That place is horrible and it’s a factory more than anything. Cruel, rough, cold-hearted riders and staff that should never be allowed to be called horsemen. Enough with the bullshit damage control. The entire industry is complete shit but there’s undeniable proof, in black and white, of Helgstrand’s abuse and cruelty.

@@AnniePaige-iq5qp but then he should be banned and all horses from there banned too. But too much money involved I guess.

@@Gent47 he absolutely should be banned for life and forbidden from being around horses. Unfortunately, you’re right. All people care about is the money involved. It’s their entire thought process and way of doing things that needs to changer. However, sadly, it seems there’s just no integrity. Many at this level have stopped thinking of horses as their partner, as someone to be understood and respected. They think they can just mandhandle them and have them work out of fear. A complete shame.