7:25 Oddly enough I never hear anyone reference the callback here. This is the mistake, the exact mistake, Admiral Ozzel committed in the beginning of Empire. He exited hyperspace too late, trying to get to Hoth faster, but alerted the Rebels. This is the big mistake that caused Vader to kill Ozzel and promote Captain Piett to Admiral in his place. Had Ozzel followed this exact protocol, all the Rebels on Hoth could have been captured or killed. The fact that they're having their POV characters eyeroll at this specific reference, as if this sort of protocol is made-up and useless, is just more deliberate destruction of the original. They made sure to nail the reference, and then they shat on it.
Not to mention; exiting hyperdrive just a touch too late would mean exiting on the face of a planet. It's why a BIG deal is made about gravity wells and star-chart maps and asteroid maps being well-made and why, I dunno, HAN SOLO was such a big deal for being able to plot such an efficient course.
The reason Sabine rolled her eyes at the droid when he answered her question was because he was droid-splaining to her. Either that or she thought he had the audacity to even consider that she was asking him the question. "Droids will be droids, amirite?"
I will never forget the moment when the emperor first appeared in person in episode 6. It was so well built up, only mentioned in 4, just hologram in 5 and then hundreds of troopers and his imperial guard before him. He oozed power and he was a mysterious figure, you had no idea what he is capable of. They just don’t make villains like that anymore. Only the new baron Harkonnen in Dune came close to him.
How much time and money the Drinker and the gang have saved me these past few years is unreal And we're getting to see a corrupted industry eat itself for free, to boot
I’ve always remembered how Qui Gon and Obi Wan couldn’t defeat the destroyer droids in TPM because of their shields, but Anakin blasted them to oblivion when he was stuck in the Naboo fighter. Because the ship’s blasters are much stronger than the blasts being reflected back at the droids. Yet Ahsoka deflects ship blasts with ease. As if they’re coming from battle droids or storm troopers.
THIS! It's the difference between a handgun and say, something like the 25 mm cannon on a Bradley. Just shows how little knowledge the snowflakes writing this show have of actual weapons, even conceptually. No understanding of scale or magnitude.
yep. but you have to think about the scale of power from the shields, a shield on a ship can take a lot more than a droidekas shield, and the guns on those other fighters may just be weak, cuz to me the ships look hella old and the blasters don't sound like they pack a punch. but thats just my own opinion.
13:08 This has been melting my brain since "The force awakens" where from what little the movie itself established the First Order was essentially an extremist group wandering around the galaxy on multiple star destroyers, and the republic didn't give a fuck whatsoever. No one did except for Leia and her cosplayer crew.
That's what you got from TFA? My take was that the Rebellion killed the Emperor, and instead of the empire collapsing, the First Order immediately was able to bring all the fractured parts back together and carry on like nothing happened. Hence why they call rhe "good guys" the Resistance throughout the Disney Star Bores
@BlueCheeseCross95 Well, the republic didn't know about it because Disney made a group of terrorists with no clearly established logistics covertly build in less than 30 years a thing the entire republic would've spent centuries on.
@atrane365 except in the last jedi the film can't decide if they are rebels or resistance. I always the first order were just remnants of the empire, since they use their stuff even down to the stormtrooper armor.
@@atrane365 Disney's canon - the literature, not the movies - established that while the empire was reformed back into the republic after the -death- beginning of Palpatine's 30-year vacation, the new government led by suddenly moronified Mon Mothma was so bad with the other heads of the former rebel alliance being too stupid to do anything about it, that no one really cared about the First Order forming from the remaining empire loyalists during the next 30 years. Only Leia and her closest allies (not Han and Luke, though) did, creating the Resistance as a separate organization from the republic that, while supporting the Resistance, was still only mildly bothered. Even when the First Order started to blow up planets.
As other replies mentioned, they had the capability to build but also SUPPLY (which presumably required resources on a scale ten times more vast than even the original Death Star which all but bankrupted the Imperial Navy and Tarkin himself wanted the Emperor to instead spend that money on dozens more superdreadnoughts or thousands more regular star destroyers which would have been much more useful in actually pacifying the galaxy) the planet death star, and yet despite there being ZERO chance that the republic didn't have any idea of these massive amounts of resources being refined and supplies being shipped all in one specific direction, as you said they just said "Nah, it'll be fine" right up until Diverse Lady watched the Starkiller blast heading straight for her. Also, on that note, how did literally nobody in the fucking Republic Navy find it strange that factions in the new republic were convincing them to pull the ENTIRE fleet into close orbit of the planet? They KNOW VERY WELL about superweapons capable of obliterating planets in a single blast, and yet thought nothing of 'demilitarizing' by pulling everything in close to the planet LMAO, it's writing so bad only a mother could love it, and by mother I mean KK.
You're the main character Mary Sues who are so self assured they know they're never going to die and will win everything easily in the end, will you act like it godammit!
Hera Syndulla really doesn't deserve the rank of General with her sheer incompetence. Hera: "We're gonna fly straight through the blockade!" Imperial Navy: *destroys enemy ships coming straight at them* Hera: *surprised Pikachu face*
To be fair, Hera is just pulling the same strategy Luke would pull during the Battle of Hoth. Luke: Rogue Group lets make runs at the enemy in the only direction those walkers weapons can face. Also the Empire. Veers: My Lord, shall we bring down mobile anti-aircraft support for our forces? Vader: What is anti-aircraft support? Veers: A mobile platform that provides cover to our forces from air attacks. The country we are based off of called National Socialist Germany is famous for having many versions of them, as well as the other nation we get compared to called the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Vader: No. That would make our job too easy and we want the Rebels to have a sporting chance. (This is a joke folks, but it is a legit issue that I have with Star Wars ground battles. And Disney just makes things worse by creating battles worse than Hoth.) But yes under Disney combat scenes have gotten worse. Whether its Lightsaber duels (they look like two people trying to beat each other with baseball bats rather than actual swordsman), Ground battles or Space battles. Disney just sucks at making even decent action scenes. I'll go back to watching the Dogfight series if I want my dogfight highs, cause at least the 3d recreations are entertaining and actually keep my interest; even when the series can get some things wrong.
Remember in "A New Hope" ...the DEATH STAR run.... Those fighters (X-wing, Y-wing) pilots, were horrified!!! I love RED LEADER! "THIS IS IT!!!!" And the whole brigade just BLITZ the DEATH STAR!!!! AWESOME!!!!! Those pilots were putting it all on the line!!! I miss those days!!!!
The guys always describe the action scenes in modern Stars Wars as nonsensical but it makes sense when most of these episodes are written by people who don't understand physical conflict in the slightest
It's the drifting stuff that kills me. In space if you turn off your engine you will continue to move at the same speed forever (or until another force acts on the ship to slow or change its velocity or direction), you don't slow down and drift slowly, that's not how space works
Dude I uttered it almost out lound. With the word switch when Han tells Finn "That's not how the Force works" I was like "That's not how the space works" .. it's just so stupid .
Thrawn in the old books was one of the most beloved antagonists due to a multilayering of mystery and ability. He's a Chiss (an alien from the unknown regions) who rises to the rank of Admiral in a highly xenophobic empire. Palpatine, dispite the empires distate for anything nonhuman, sees such value in Thrawn's stratigic ability that he gives him one of the highest ranks and just keeps him out of the way of the other admirals as he knows they would ignore the Chiss because he's got blue skin and red eyes. Pellaeon (a human) is his first officer who has massive respect for Thrawn due to the way he leads and ruins anyone he comes up against in battle, and the only reason it all comes to an end is betrayal by his bodyguard at a critical moment. Although we later find that he had a back up plan incase that happened..... he was THAT good! Its sad that the Legacy books are not considered canon, especially when the story of this Admiral is one of bigotry, racism and how he overcomes that through knowledge and actions..... its like the perfect woke story wrapped up in a bow with a Star Wars sticker stuck straight on top to excite all the old fans and introduce new ones to a collection of amazing stories...... what a bunch of twats Disney are atm!
Thrawn would be problematic because he acts in support of the bigoted power structure, because he believes there's something worse out there than the bigots at home. Meanwhile, the woke mob is up in arms about microaggressions while ignoring, say, the beatings the Saudi religious police dole out on a regular basis.
As Drinker put it, it's quite literally up to the whims of whichever writer is writing Current Project. One almost might wonder if it's by design. Disney seems to be doing their best to de-mystify the entire Star Wars IP, removing everything that made it special and turning it into more by the numbers slop like the MCU. If (and when) Thrawn shows up but gets immediately #GirlBoss put in his place by witch(?) lady (I can never remember her name LMAO) and is forced to grovel before her to get the right to command the Imperial Remnant navy, we will have our final proof that yes, this was always KK's goal. She suffered long enough assisting those evil Manfolks like Lucas and Spielberg who got all the credit and money and accolades (never mind that it's because THEY invented the fucking IPs and the stories, and she was just essentially hired help), now she will show EVERYONE that their work is not as respectable and fun and worth enjoying as we thought!!! Her pathological need for 'revenge' has led to this constant bombardment of female characters with zero character other than "Me strong, men bad" played by actresses who get on stage and clearly know nothing about Star Wars, even Disney Star Wars, but what they DO know and gladly harp on and on about, is how diverse they are and how strong their character is... I wonder why that is?
I just want to point out that "General" Hera is in charge of the Barma Battle Group... She has 2 flagships, 1 Capital ship, 3 fighter squadrons and 1 ground infantry unit under her command, she already had the resources to investigate, the whole meeting with the senators was just so she could insult that 1 guy.
I know right! The voice actors were actually given license to act in Clone Wars. I was actually just being sarcastic, but if you wanted to take it seriously, I guess you could say that Asohka was still just a youngling during Clone Wars and hadn't gained mastery over her emotions. Jedi are supposed to be stoic in universe, but that doesn't mean they should be robots. Alec Guiness made Obi Wan look like a normal human being at the same time instead of cardboard.@@greebj
A useful contrast to the "I'm such a stoic badass that I just seem bored no matter how much my life is in danger" of these gerlbosses and modern action films in general is the classic Master and Commander, where they are visibly bearing up stoically to the horrific damage and carnage that was entailed in repeated cannon broadsides of the time. The Stephen Maturin character is especially masterful in portraying his suppressed extreme stress whilst triageing in his dark and blood soaked little ship hospital as the ship is being shaken by cannon fire. That my friends, that's a masterful portrayal of grace under pressure.
Or, for somewhat less cultured people, the times in Star Trek when they almost lose the ship, but Picard/Kirk/their officers have to remain stoic and unmoved in front of their crews, but there is always the times right after when they are alone and allow the facade to fall enough for the viewer to see the pain and torment
Agreed. A personal favorite of mine is Spencer Tracy in "Northwest Passage" (1940.) Tracy put on a clinic on how to portray leadership and command presence as the legendary Robert Rogers in that film. Tracy's "Major Rogers" is the kind of leader that one would follow into combat. Late in the movie, Rogers' Rangers on a grueling march are starving and exhausted with the only things keeping them going is Rogers' leadership and his promise that at their destination there will be food, warmth, and shelter. As they near the place, Rogers runs ahead and discovers that he's been cruelly let down. There is no food. Knowing that the promise that he made to his men won't be kept, he breaks down in tears. When his men approach giddy with anticipation for the food, he quickly composes himself and resumes the mantle of command before his men can fall into total despondency. (Does anyone think modern Hollywood would allow a "girlboss" to have such a moment of even a temporary weakness such as Tracy's Rogers' heartbroken tears?)
If you had any knowledge of these characters at all you would know that they aren’t “gerlbosses”. They have done no PC or woke things whatsoever in this show so far. I don’t know what y’all are watching
Would have been a better use of time and money to make that game series into a show, same actors and just laid out for a show so the non video game players get to have the characters and story, much more interesting than anything else they have done with jedi related stories
@@TheSmokingMustache He means so the show wouldn't take liberties before the games finish. For example they make a show and Cal is doing stuff he would never do and their excuse is the game hasn't finished yet so we don't know that doesn't happen. I just thought of the perfect example Game of Thrones.
@@pablopablo3834 Ah, gotcha well I guess as long as they actually did a season a year, seems like they could do it at the rate of the games.. either way more interesting story.
People saying that "yeah she's older it's normal" might want to consider the logic they applied to leia in the kenobi show, they portrayed her exactly as she was in "a new hope" despite being 10 years old, the same logic don't apply to Ashoka. Disney isn't logic.
"Their older that's why they act totally different" argument is making a come back. I still remember when that was the premiere defense for Luke acting like Jake Skywalker in TLJ.
@@Hat_With_A_Hat_On depends on how the change. If she covered herself in a suit made up of flounders and peanut butter, it'd be change, but not good change.
@@Hat_With_A_Hat_On if you make a 10 year old (or younger, I don’t remember exactly) behave like an experienced adult rebel general who sometimes is smarter than a Jedi master, yes, it’s bad writing cause it doesn’t make sense; if you drain the personality off characters with a quirky recongnizable attitude and turn them into stoic non expresive mannequins that communicate by staring at each other, yes, it´s also bad
The worst part for me, was when they were completely dead in the water and being attacked by three fighters. For some reason even that isn't enough for the fighters to even damage their ship, because they all just fly into melee range trying to hit Ahsokas lightsabers. The plot armor is so thick, that there is no tension at all and everyone is so stupid, that you can always just count on them to do the worst possible thing. Like build a huge hyperspace ring, but only put weapons on one side of it, for some reason.
No wonder the main characters seem completely bored all the time. They know the writers aren't going to allow anything even vaguely threatening to happen.
Trying to hit lightsabers with a fighter (not just to obliterate the wielder with, like, distant blaster fire) ? Hey, that's Rise of Palpatwalker + 1 level of Insanity !
Where were all these Jedi in the OG series where we were told the Jedi were extinct, and Luke was the only hope. Turns out Asoka just couldn’t be bothered to get involved
They're going for a 'certain point of view.' In this case, one that defines 'Jedi' as strictly a member of the _official_ Jedi Order, once headquartered at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Oh, and 'trainees' don't count, so younglings like Grogu and padawans like Kanan or Cal don't count, either.
Once upon a time... There were more villains than just the Empire You couldn't track through hyperspace Planetary gravity interfered with hyperdrive There were factions among every side of the conflict
You could sort of track someone through hyperspace of you saw their departure vector you could "follow" them, but that was it. You couldn't tell if they had dropped out, and if you didn't see them change direction you were screwed. You could also sort of tell when something was going to arrive near your.
I'm sure you could cite any number of Stargate Atlantis episodes for *good* examples of TV show characters reacting convincingly to a shield losing strength.
A Stargate Atlantis reference? Nice. Still one of my favorite TV shows of all time. And yes, they did a good job showing characters reacting to loosing their primary means of defense very well.
Yes, why is the audience supposed to feel tension and care when the actual characters in the show don't? "Deflector shields down to 10%..." and the characters don't care and have zero emotions.
I’m not defending this but it’s not all of a sudden. Rey took out Kylos ship in the desert with a lightsaber…I think it was Rise but I’m not sure anymore because the sequel trilogy just blends together into one big pile of shit.
I miss Ashley Eckstein she helped bring the character to life and had so much more emotion. Dawson doesn't do that the closest was when she was with luke but still she acts like a plank of wood.
But worth noting that when Ashley played the character, the Jedi order wasn't fully destroyed, the galaxy wasn't under the thrall of an Empire and her master wasn't a Sith. That might tend to change someone's demeanor a little bit; make them a little cynical, etc. I actually find a more grown up Ashoka a bit refreshing. I think it contrasts well with how Ashoka was played in Clone Wars and Rebels.
@@jcore0981You could argue plenty of excuse, though. Decades of war. The Jedi hunted to near extinction. Now the threat of another war. Still dealing with her master having turned to the dark side. The loss of friends and allies. Granted it's all subjective. But I would rather see evolution of the character than just the same character we've already seen in innumerable episodes in the past.
@JeffNyman You know you can be mature AND have a personality, right? War doesn't make you a plank of wood. Obi-Wan saw the entire Jedi Order destroyed, saw his brother turned to the Darkside, saw him burn alive in lava, and was stuck on a desert planet for 20 years. He didn't lose his personality.
@@jcore0981A lot of people claim Obi-Wan did lose his personality in the Obi-Wan show! That was one of the main complaints about it. That he was defeatist. I personally didn't see it that way. I saw him more as a realist who had to be pushed back into action. But even so: who cares? Obi-Wan and Ashoka are two different people. People react differently to events in different ways. That's been the basis of fiction -- which is the basis of life -- since we've been around. How we react to circumstances. What shapes our behaviors given the events that happen to us. Good fiction forces you to confront characters who may become something you don't entirely like. And root for them to overcome it. Or at least come to terms with it.
I remember reading the 'Heir to the Empire' Trilogy and thinking how differently would things have gone with Thrawn in charge, because he was just that good. This series is doing a terrible job of building up to that. Tie Fighter, a video game from the 90s, made him a more menacing character than Ahsoka has managed. So sad.
TIE Fighter is a great game. And Thrawn was an outstanding and unique villain. He wasn't a cartoonishly evil Sith. He didn't have mysterious powers. He didn't rule by fear or threats of violence directed against his subordinates. He was extremely smart, competent, and a technical genius. His subordinates revered him. Since he is male and played by a white guy under blue makeup, I'm sure he will now be made into an incompetent coward.
@@mrsickukxx1332 Filoni doesn' know basic level writing, so he's terrible. I like Thrawn from bothZahn trilogies. Only Zahn can write Thrawn correctly. I do like that he's more closer to an anti-hero in the newer ones though.
@@jasonthewatchmansson8873 Yeah, Darth Vader ruled his subordinates with fear, but with Zahn's Thrawn imperials under his command were totally devoted to him...and Captain/Admiral Pellaeon, his right hand man even grew up to be a kind of a good guy during EU timeline.
That's an issue with this whole damn Filoni/Favreau verse. They keep dropping hints that Thrawn is this super threat yet they've done nothing with him so far. We haven't even seen him yet. Heir to the Empire already introduces and establishes him as a genuine threat despite not being a demi god like Vader or the Emperor. He's probably gonna end up being in the finale where he gets like 5 seconds of screen time
Regarding the laser somehow working like flak, it's the same kind of bullshit as the one giant ass ship in the Last Jedi where the lasers somehow have a curved ballistic or even Star Killer's laser somehow being able to split in every direction on its own. It's suspension of disbelief pushed to the point where it can only work on people with room temperature IQ.
Love how selective they’ve made lightsabers and the level of damage they inflict. Getting stabbed through the stomach doesn’t somehow cook your internal organs and turn them into mush, but yet can effortlessly slice through solid metal and blow up a spaceship👌🏽 pure genius level writing. There’s so much idiocy with star wars now you can’t even keep track
Clearly a lightsaber’s effect on the human body is like a slightly irritating sun burn, while they can cut through metal armor like butter. Everything checks out here. No questions.
There were multiple enemy fighters blasting the shit out of the rear of their ship - where the bloody engine is - at point blank range, so you’d think they’d be be in a spot of bother. But nope, the Plot Deflectors took care of those. Then each one of the fighters is taken out with a single shot. WTF
Only 36 minutes? Cool i dont like that episodes of live-action shows always must be around an hour nowadays. Feels like watching a movie and watching an episode of a TV show is not very different these days. Only animated shows seems to still be around 20 to 25 minutes. The seasons are also very short when the episodes are so long.
It’s called character building. Y’all complain about modern movies/shows not doing it and when it finally happens you complain that nothing is happening. Can we all just agree that this wouldn’t be happening if the leads were men? I hate to be that guy but this show is good, much better than Mando s3, BoBF and Kenobi and yet it’s horrible because of what? They aren’t “girl bosses” or anything like that. Y’all want them to be so you claim they are to have something to complain about.
Lol. I have watched all four seasons of rebels and most of the clone wars. I love Ashoka as a character but what happened in this episode except we flew to a planet and got shot at. It felt like a filler episode which is fine if you have like 36 episodes, not in a eight episode run. no filler please.
@@tipsyt1909Character building? These are well established characters in lore outside the show, and everything the writers are doing with them is tearing down this previously established characterization, making them bland, unintelligent, entitled, arrogant, etc. Literally the opposite of character building
When she jumped off a stationary spaceship and struck another passing spaceship, on a strafing run, with a lightsabre I lost my mind. The fighter must have been travelling at 10,000 mph at least, but still passed close enough to them for Ahsoka to reach it... even with the Force the physics of that boggle my mind. How could she move fast enough to reach it with a jump ? Why would it pass that close? Who wrote this and thought it was cool? Ugh.
The idiot who wrote it (most likely Filoni himself) must've copied what JJ wrote for Rey in Ep 9 when she runs, back flips & cuts Kylo's Tie Fighter. Just as moronically dumb & of course it has to be the "Force is Female" protagonists that breaks all laws of physics like the Force Gods they have turned into.
So much is so wrong with that space walk. Suddenly fighters that couldn't aim to save their lives are hitting her so often but they miss when it's the ship they aim for especially when the shields are down.
Nah, not 1000+mph, it's probably 20-50m/s in order to stay in the frame for half a second. 250mph would be around 110m/s or 360 feet/second. At some point, they do have to slow down, so it's hard to know what's going on. The camera is probably a football field away, so if it's going past the camera in half a second, it should be simple enough to calculate based on her height, and the length of the lightsaber in pixels, along with the parallax. I'd guess it's closer to 80-100mph. A proper maneuver would be to pincer, slow the formation for a wider pass, and attack at a 30' fire pattern, then slow to stop to tow the ship back. Theoretically, you wouldn't stop to board a ship in a fighter craft, but you also wouldn't sortie past either. The reason being, they could be playing dead, and the other 2 fighters would have to pursue if they evade or move out of range, i.e. snap into hyperdrive or explode, sic. Everything else though, yes. She'd probably rip her arms off with the difference in mass as the saber plasma passes through the metal. The way a saber works now, seems to be almost imaginary at times. The fact that the lightsaber can absorb immense amounts of kinetic energy and not send Ahsoka off into space like a pinball, is ludicrous. It could probably achieve insane feats if a large enough saber beam was created, like cutting through a planet, or destroying a sun, et al.
The funny thing with Thrawn is they expect the EU to have set the background. So if you read the books you KNOW he's a problem. But they threw those out so in the shows it means nothing 🤣 Congrats Disney, you played yourself.
Yep, the only explanations are either A. Filoni (and Lucasfilm/Disney themselves) ACTUALLY expects every single person who watches Ahsoka to have actually watched all those childrens cartoon episodes before watching this one because dave filoni's writing is a skill issue, or B. they really are lazy enough to just expect the same hardcore fans who hate everything Disney has done starting with and including episode 7, to forgive them de-canonizing the EU and just base their opinion of Disneythrawn on EU Thrawn and thus be, properly scared of his tactical thinking and brutality? I genuinely don't know which is worse, but the only answer is one of these two.
EU Legends New Republic: *kept its military strength and held its ground against their enemies until the bitter end* Disney New Republic: *disarmed 90% of its armed forces and folded immediately after First Order took down capital planet of Hosnia and neighboring planets*
I love seeing people reference Starkiller Base wiping out an entire system in one go to justify the NR rolling over. As if the Yuuzhan Vong weren't grotesque and monstrously capable and viciously driven and paradoxically inured to the Force and responsible for killing a major character/war hero during their initial emergence.
By "matter of time," that means the next to the last episode, because villains don't need to exist until then in any Disney series outside of random mentions in occasional dialog. Villains are just a different kind of mystery box now.
Oh they can't touch Thrawn, because this is Disney where no one is truly evil or clever. It will be Dizzney Thrawn, a paler blue imitation without glowing eyes.
I know it is no longer canon, but Thrawn is an astounding figure in Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire." Ahhh...when Star Wars had hope. Thanks, mates! Great chat.
It’d be forgivable if this was written by literal children instead of diversity hires. At this point, these “”writers”” shouldn’t be surprised that AI is replacing them.
@@vladpiranha They really don't like AI because AI is naturally based af. It treats everyone as equal, so the villains are actual threats and the protagonists are flawed. It's a lot of work to lobotomize AI down to their level of incompetence. Yet the big wigs are starting to notice the smell of their burning cash.
@@Highlader13 This is why I've laughed since them first announcing this show; it was all Filoni, not Kathleen Kennedy or one of her yes-(wo)men. If he truly is the visionary to save star wars, and his childrens cartoons are actually good, surely the characters will be well written right? Oh? That's not what we got? I wonder how such a mystery is possible?
It's weird. I used to love Star Wars so much. Wanted Star Wars related stuff for every birthday, christmas, etc. but now my passion for it is just gone. When they talked about the head tentacle things I realized I still knew they were called lekku but just didn’t care anymore... There will always be people who say you're not a real fan of something if you don't love everything with it's name slapped on to it. To me though being a fan meabs realizing when something isn’t that thing. If they sell a cheap, rebottled liquor as Jack Daniels it doesn't mean you're not a fan if you call them out on it.
Thrawn as he appeared in the original EU was an amazing character. A military genius who at one point wins a battle against some New Republic planet because he studied their freakin' artwork and predicted how they would fight based on that. There's also a subtle indication of how good he is because he's the only non-human Grand Admiral.
Tbh the new book series’s Timothy Zahn (the original author) wrote were amazing, infact if they were converted into TV or movies they’d be great, Thrawn is such a great character but he’s being wasted
@@ArgentWolf95 Imagine an authentic with (some) artistic liberties to portray the Chiss Ascendency and other unknown region factions on TV, seeing YIV in live action or animation would be amazing
You can not raise the tension if there are no stakes, there is no struggle, or consequences to your decisions. It's part of the girl boss formulae. The girl boss never makes a bad decision and if she makes a questionable decision there are no consequences. If a girl boss is forced to interact with a man it's with loathing. Every bad idea a good writer would warn a new writer not to make the girl boss writers make those errors on purpose. The girl boss isn't relatable. Not because they are female. But, because having flaws would mean that they have are human and all girl bosses are flawless Mary Sues.
they aren't mary sues tho, the stakes are thrawn retuning to the galaxy and starting another war, sabine steals the map from ahsoka and gets robbed and stabbed, thats your consequence to a bad decision. and the struggle is her training and trying to use the force. idk what youre on about bro.
@@yodagaming1282 it's the difference between good and bad story telling. Woke story telling bombs at the box office for some very good reasons. I could recommend some of the great movies of the past as examples if that would help.
Spot on about the characters showing emotion to get the audience on your side. Star Trek had ship-shaking acting and consoles exploding all the time. More recently look at Top Gun Maverick when Maverick does the training run on his own. Everyone in the briefing room is suddenly amped up and eager to see what happens, and that feeling transfers to the viewer. Most brilliantly directed scene in the movie, imo.
That's the difference of Disney/Lucasfilm and Tom Cruise as a producer/actor. Cruise knows what the audience wants, and he so delivers. He knows that part of his success is the audience, his fans. Where the former just shits on what the audience wants. I guess it was Einstein who did create a definition of madness: try the exact thing different times but expect different results.
Yeah, exactly. Basically every complex adult trait or emotion is interpreted by them as through an arrogant teenager’s eyes. They understand nothing, presume to “get it” effortlessly, have no experience, judge everything, worship their own petty and paltry egos, and think exaggeration is the same as emphasis. That’s how stoic becomes smug, wit becomes sarcasm, power becomes passive entitlement, intellect becomes snark, and so on and on and on (and on and on). The bottom line is these people should not be writing and in any sort of position to influence anything culturally - they are to culture what cancer is to life.
Ironic that Mon Mothma was able to organize and manage the Rebel Alliance but not the New Republic which she brought back all the problems that plagued the Old Republic in the first place.
Remember the Drinker's words: "Every character is as smart and capable as much as the writer lets them to be." Edit: I was typing this comment halfway through the vid and it actually ended with (almost) the words. Called for it!
Considering how horrible, corrupt & incompetently stupid the New Republic is it casts a shadow over the whole OT. All those rebels that died, Alderaan blown up, all those lives gone to transform into this!? God, how I MISS the EU!!!
Hera, the ACTUAL Hera from the Rebels animated series would have hopped into her ship with Chopper, her son, went to pick up her former crew members (Zeb and Kallus) and gone to help Ahsoka and Sabine whether she got resources or not. Hera was "the mother" in Rebels. She WOULD NOT let her "family" be hung out to dry.
Yea, or she would have taken one of her 2 Flagships or her 1 Capital ship along with one of her 3 fighter squadrons and Infantry unit... What's the point of her being in charge of the Barma Battle Group if she isn't going to use her resources.
@@xLionsxxSmithyx Well, in theory, the Barma Battle Group has its own responsibilities. On the other hand, Hera herself seems to have lots of time on her hands, rather than directing whatever it is Barma is supposed to be doing...
The joy of a Disney female character. Consequences of their actions don't make sense, mistakes are rewarded and character traits only take hair dye to change!
I'm not watching Ahsoka but I have seen clips of *that* space battle sequence. I am now questioning reality. How did this end up being filmed and released?
Not having Disney + is a blessing. I get the drift of the Ahsoka story without watching it. Makes me wonder if the writers of the show are making it up as they go.
Star Wars canon ends with III (we can include the Vader comics as a rare modern star wars W), these shows and movies, *even Clone Wars you apologists who can't see how thoroughly mediocre that series is* , are simply bad fanfics that occasionally capture a glimpse of the glory of what's possible within the IP It's so embarrassing to call yourself a Star Wars fan these days, always gotta add the qualifier that I don't include Disney in that lol *Sucks Shad doesn't get the appeal of Thrawn from Disney's crap treatment of the characcter, one of the most intimidating characters written and the perfect antagonist for the New Republic in the OG EU
The guys didnt even get to mention the horrible drawn out training scene. The scene with Luke in the original was clearly meant to be a quick explanation of the force and how it could help you and be tapped into, improvised with what equipment was on hand to demonstrate. Then the Jedi temple in the prequels and Ahsoka's dojo have the same pilots helmet with blast shield as standard training equipment... Edit: my bad they hit it in the longer open bar
Well, that's the same problem where Ben's desert hermit costume somehow became the standard outfit for Jedi everywhere. Because _of course_ the guy trying to lay low is going to dress up in a Jedi uniform!
From the bits and pieces I have seen of Rebels and the EU, Thrawn would actually be a very interesting character to adapt into the universe, which they did of course with Rebels and those scenes are still pretty decent, but at this point, I think that they (both the Empire in universe and Disney out of universe) need Thrawn because he is good for marketing and because he is the only antagonistic force that has more than two brain cells
The disney "thrawn" really just remind me the quote from wraith squadron mercy kill: "What I don't get is this whole Grand Admiral Thrawn thing. Every hopped-up junior officer tries to be like him. Elegant, inscrutable... and an art lover. Being an art lover doesn't make you a genius, you know." Rebels' thrawn wasn't... bad, but I don't think he up to the standard of THE Thrawn. And I definitely don't have faith at whatever "thrawn" they are going to put in now.
Filoni has an obsession with wolves, not whales. Then again, he also has an obsession with Ahsoka and he probably pays her cosplayers to come back to his room every now and then...
They aren’t worried during the dog fight because it’s still all about Ahsoka and Sabine working through their relationship drama. During that whole fight the enemy was like a mild hindrance, interrupting their ongoing reconciliation.
I have a theory as to why Sabine did not die from the light saber impaling her. She is so hollow inside as a character, as is Ahsoka, that there are no organs to damage. As is obvious from the lifeless acting, neither character has a heart that a light saber could pierce.
The writers think a "Brave" female would never show fear. They fail to comprehend that true bravery is when one is truly afraid yet continues to fight.
In the beginning of The Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon uses his lightsaber to burn the mechanicsm out of bulkhead doors by sticking it right in the center of the door until it melts.
Just to point out.. I actually counted how long it took Ashoka to get changed and leave , I counted from the second she left, to when she appeared…10 seconds, she went to find her gear, get changed an then get out the ship in 10 seconds..
One thing left out of all these kinds of fictions is morale. If you are a trooper and half your buddies just got blown into spaghetti sauce, you are not longer willing to fight UNLESS you are a total fanatic. And NO ONE wants to share a foxhole with a fanatic. Murphy's Law for Infantry Corollary: never share a fighting position with anyone braver than you are. Morale collapses very easily and troops run away. That's how troops live long enough to become veterans. Troops without the good sense to run are corpses sooner than later. With that said, how come the enemy never breaks off an attack? They fight until they are killed by the 'hero.' No, that don't happen. If the scary Jedi just chopped up 15 of your squaddies, you run away so as not to add your ass to the pile of corpses.
it seems that at some point we can't distinguish plot armor from other bad writing things. The apathy of the three main characters for the danger of the situation they're coming in is like the writers themselves got numb as they knew nothing bad would happen, and so, the dogfight was just for spetacule. Either that, or they really don't get the action/adventure genre.
Fans are definitely getting desperate saying this Ahsoka show is the best thing ever. After all I've heard and seen, it doesn't sound that much better than KeNOBi. Oh well.
The best part of the droid scanning the Eye of Sauron is a very basic sci-fi concept (shields) that usually don’t let your scans get very much detail of your ship.
One point I see everyone overlook so far. How could a map that was made a few thousand years ago know where a certain person was going to be exiled in the future? How do our bad guys know where Thrawn ended up? If they knew the space squidwhales took him how do they know they took him to another galaxy and not somewhere else in their own galaxy, like the unknown regions or wild space? And why in the universe would space witches make a map solely based on space squidwhales migration lanes thousands of years ago and put it in a temple hidden behind a puzzle you need to figure out to get it?
They’re bored because they’re living in that video game where someone typed in the cheat code that meant the bad guys couldn’t ever deal damage, Here, the cheat code was the Epic Girl Boss card they played. We already saw with with the character who can’t even die with a lightsaber to the belly. Of course you’d be bored. Only a 12 year old thinks that’s fun. (Speaks volumes to the maturity of the people writing and directing these shows though)
All of the Force related concepts are directly from George Lucus and have been part of Star Wars Lore for a long time. We have seen Jedi and clone troopers fight outside shops in the Clone Wars as well. Having Sabine integrate her Mando fighting style and ability with the Force can only make her more effective in assisting Ahsoka. I also like what Nerd and Star Wars Theroy briefly touched on about people like Han Solo topping into some level of the Force without realizing it to be such a good pilot.
Clone Trooper armor is designed to double as a spacesuit. The only Jedi I can recall who went with them out to space was Plo Koon, who specifically stated that his species can handle the vacuum of space for a short moment.
Ahsoka: We gotta get really close to scan this thing! ST TNG: Well according to the "TNG Technical Manual" (written by Senior Trek Technical Advisors Rick Sternbach and Michael Okuda and foreworded by Gene Roddenberry), the max range for the subspace Long Range Sensors at low resolution and maximum normal power is 17 light years, some 160,836,661,043,596 kilometres. The exact dividing point between short and long-range sensors was not clearly established on screen. Long-range sensors picked up information about targets that were, on occasion, several hours' travel time distant from the sensing ship. Maximum effective range of long range sensors are approximately five light years in high-resolution mode.
