The only Star Wars scene that put me in tears is how they killed and disposed of Solo. Empaled, thrown down a precipice (so no body can be buried), his legacy dragged in the mud and forgotten 5 minutes later. A symbol of what Disney did to the franchise.
I am so Glad the GHOST OF ANAKIN(LUKES DADDY) came back to give positive affirmation to Asoka, INSTEAD of HIS OWN SON drinking green titty milk and wanting to diee!!!!
Disney's incarnation of Star Wars uses nostalgia the way an abusive partner uses elaborate apologies as a way to keep their lover in an abusive relationship.
Worst part is the fans eat it up, “This episode was a 10/10” “Why?” “It had anakin.. and Ahsoka, references to CW-“ “So.. what about good writing and doing something new with Star Wars?” “But.. it had callbacks”
It's honestly the SW"s equivalent to " BUT HE MADE GRADUATION!!" Bro, this franchise is too far gone to be saved without a complete reversal of the last 12 years and taken from Disney. Along with some new good stories.
I also see people making stupid theories about if Luke is going to help. Like do these people not remember the sequel trilogy or something? No matter what happens it ends in shit anyway, and Luke isn’t going to succeed in whatever happens
Hayden Christensen, Ray Stevenson, the child actress playing Young Ashoka and the child actor playing Jacen kid are the real victims of this show, along with the viewers
*I hate how Andor has been getting shit on* since this show came out.. I’m sorry - but Dave Filoni’s “Glup Shitto” writing can not touch anything from Andor
*Imagine* being a normal fan - having only watched the prequels and OG trilogy.. then all of a sudden you watch this and all of sudden Anakin had an apprentice he’d never mentioned? This franchise has basically left the casuals behind 💀
@@firstlast9846 Worse, when the Disney Fans say - "You need to watch 28 hours of Rebels, and 62 hours of Clone Wars in order to get it! Come on, bro! Get with it, bro!" You know the best way to continue the Ashoka and Feloni Fangirls storyline(s)? Books and comics. Far less costly that way. Instead we have TV series which is thousands upon thousands of times more expensive than any book series will ever be.
At one point Anakin almost literally says "Remember the Clone Wars?" to Ahsoka. I'm like, yeah I heard of that in a movie called STAR WARS that came out in 1977. They acting like this is some deep lore looool.
Happy to see Hayden getting more love, hes been a highlight in this show and Kenobi. He did great merging his own performance and the clone wars version of Anakin. Also young Ahsoka was really good.
tbh I wanna see him in new roles.. not sitting on the bench waiting for Disney to call him up for a 5 minute cameo 🤷🏾♂️ Anakin’s story is done - it’s nice to see him - but we honestly need to move on from the prequels and OG trilogy.. great as they are - it’s killing Star Wars to be so stuck in the past with old characters.
@@firstlast9846The problem is most of the fanbase wants these cameos and callbacks more than new stories. Just look at the viewership of Kenobi compared with the viewership of Andor. One was a masterpiece and the other was an embarrassing mess. And the numbers showed they would rather have a mess than a masterpiece as long as they can have their memberberries.
I really liked the young Ahsoka actress’s performance and the CW scenes. I don’t blame Rosario for her performance, but the younger actress definitely outshined Dawson in this. It’s too bad those flashback scenes belong in a better show.
@@Lobsterwithinternetit wasn't really about the callback and cameo. It about Ahsoka's journey and her guilt. I think this whole video misses the point.
@@MrAsmontero And those are called Callbacks, especially when they bring in 1/2 to 3/4 of the cast of two separate animated shows in a show about one character. And do you think this show would have the numbers it has if it was all new characters?
The first time I became acutely aware of a certain type of modern storytelling was 10 years ago, when Dexter and Breaking Bad were both airing their final episodes. It was one hell of an object lesson to contrast the two shows in real time. Breaking Bad's plot develops according to who the characters are as people, and naturally unfolding consequences of characters' previous choices and actions on themselves and the people around them. While Dexter's plot seemed to develop according to people in the writer's room yelling out random idea sentences that start with the words "Hey, wouldn't it be cool if..." This is the approach that is making current Star Wars and Marvel and tons of other properties. "Hey wouldn't it be cool if we brought back Hayden as Anakin?" Nothing to do with whether the story needs this to happen, it's just a cool thing we want to see, so throw something together to half way justify doing it and then do it. Our culture has had its sense- and meaning-making apparatus rotted away by social media and Tik Tok, so that it no longer desires sensible and meaningful narrative, it just craves short bursts of dopamine. A cheap thrill that is quickly forgotten because it's time to move on to NEXT PRODUCT is exactly what the people in charge of these properties are trying to create. It isn't that they are incompetent storytellers (although they probably are that, too), rather they aren't even trying to tell a story in the first place. They are doing Tik Tok storytelling, or in other words, stimulation. And there is an audience of people who desperately want this stimulation. It's meaningless, and a waste of time, and unhealthy and ultimately is part of the unraveling of society. I don't know how we stop it, except by continuing to write good stories and put them out in the world.
Yeah right! Watching 5 seasons of Breaking Bad is like watching the paint dry. Except you still might be in a positive mindset after watching the paint dry.
"Nothing to do with whether the story needs this to happen, it's just a cool thing we want to see, so throw something together to half way justify doing it and then do it." You mean the padawan of Anakin, facing a crisis of conscience, having just been confronted and mocked by a fallen Jedi that knew what happened to Anakin, and accused her of following in Vader's footsteps, while struggling with her own responsibilities as a mentor, on the verge of another war, much like her time as a child soldier fighting alongside her mentor Anakin? It's not like this show is a continuation of the character we saw in TCW and Rebels, where she fought alongside Anakin, left him, and fought him, or that she recently met a Jedi youngling who survived Order 66, with a deep attachment, and Anakin's son.... Christ on a bike, how do so many people attack this show as being 'bad writing' without even thinking for split second about who the characters are, their motivations or any of the themes of Star Wars? "A cheap thrill that is quickly forgotten because it's time to move on to NEXT PRODUCT is exactly what the people in charge of these properties are trying to create" You mean like spending 2008-2023 developing the character of Ahsoka through TCW and her relationship with Anakin (and his relationship with Obi-Wan) and the clones, and then her disillusionment before joining forces with a band of rebels to stop the Empire, and trying to prevent another war with the New Republic? It's not like we saw Ahsoka die in TCW Mortis arc and get brought back to life via the life force of a god, or get pulled into the World Between Worlds, that makes her death and rebirth almost inevitable, or the fact that Star Wars has always used the tropes and conventions of myth and the Hero's Journey, is it? It's like someone explained Star Wars to you over the phone and have no idea what's been happening canonically since 2008. If you want to talk about 'culture being rotted away' it's the disease of this kind of hyperbolic opinion and generalisation being confused with a genuine argument. Your comment is both lazy and without any credible support, and yet equally cynical viewers that come here to be reassured that their opinion and frustration is 'fact' are desperate to agree.
@alexdeghost2729 And it's resulted in nothing of consequence. "Do you want to live or die?" "I want to live" "OK. Off ya go!" Wow. Thrilling character building... So much drama and insight...
The only silver lining of any of Marvel or Star Wars shows that Disney has released lately is that we get to see the likes of Drinker, Nerdrotic, Disparu, Baggage Claim, HeelvsBabyFace and others dissect and lampoon them.
It's a pretty good show. I don't understand the blind hatred toward Disney. Most people DON'T remember the clone wars, because we didn't watch the animated show.
I heard that there were Memberberries so I tuned in to the first half of episode 5. It was nice to see Hayden, but Memberberries alone will NOT be enough to make me watch a show. The flaw with relying on fan service is that it just reminds people that there are BETTER things to watch/rewatch.
@@MarvinHartmann452I agree. I don’t pay for it. A while back after some stupid thing I watched, I told my in laws that they can just cancel it because idc about Disney anymore. They said it just came included in the package deal and aren’t really paying for it. So f$ck me.. I just don’t watch now.
Part of the issue with the Force is that many of these powers existed in the EU, but they were possessed by disparate groups with their own unique traditions.... Some characters learned to use other techniques, but it wasn't a thing you just did at need when the plot demanded. It took time and training.... one of many things that Disney/Lucasfilm can't be bothered to do anymore!
It's genuinely amazing how flash in the pan modern IPs are. How many people still care about Twilight? Or the Hunger Games? (I'm pretty sure the honest answer would be a negative integer.)
10 minutes of a 50 minute episode are all anyone is talking about and even then they have zero clue as to what happened or if any of it had some meaning. The fact they're trying to figure out meaning in something Filioni wrote is hilarious in itself.
This will last a long time because its was more than memberberries. It's a chapter of Ahsoka's life that has been built up for years. Leave Star Wars and NEVER come back until you stop riding the short bus.
4:15 "WTF even was Anakin in this? is he a Force ghost? is he a memory? is he an imaginary friend? is he a fragment of, like, Anakin's conciousness trapped in the world between worlds?" It will be whatever the writer will need it to be by the end, regardless of how stupid it is. Until then he is all of it at the same time. It's what we call Schrodinger's cameo.
I have two more grudges against this episodes, aside from everything mentionned here : 1. The Force does enable to look into "the past", or rather memories attached to places or objects. We saw that with Cal Kestis from Fallen Order. The Force does allow you to communicate with animals, we saw that with Cal Kestis as well and especially with Ezra. So there used to be peculiar powers which only certain people could use. Cal could sense memories, Ezra was really really good at communicating with living beings, and so their narrative was built upon those particularities. Now when it comes to Ahsoka she can just do whatever she wants! Now she can just rewind into the past and see what happened to Sabine, she can communicate with the space whales, and none of that was introduced before, despite how useful it is. It's just lazy writing. 2. Hayden was a joy to look upon, especially during fight scenes. You can see the training he put into it. His strikes are precise and brutal, his movements swift, his pirouettes fast. He emanates martial mastery. Rosario Dawson on the other hand seems awkward and sluggish. Did she refuse to put any work into the choreography, or was it intentionnal from the show runner? Either way, she looks lame in any fight scene, especially when comparing to her animated counterpart
In Rosario's defense, it's unlikely Disney would have invested that much time and effort to train up the rest of the cast to Hayden's level of skill. She's probably doing her best with the limited instructions she's been given.
@@RambleOn07why the fuck hire her then? Lucas hired Christopher Lee and Ian McDarmid but they had doubles.... Also Ewan McGregor is in his 50's and does a better job
just a reminder: it takes this show fifty minutes to teach a 40 year old ahsoka a lesson that she already ducking learned in ONE scene from ONE episode of clone wars when she was like, 14. great job, guys.
But Anakin hadn't fallen at that point in the story her fear of loss has been something she has been going through since the Clone Wars the same with Anakin but this is the first time she is now in the position Anakin was when he was training her.
Anakin hadn't turned yet. She hadn't been stabbed in the back by the Order at that point either. Quite a bit happened since that point, including her learning Anakin turned evil and slaughtered Jedi. There's legit criticism of the show but most I see are fucking dumb made by idiots who don't even know or understand SW lore. The funnier criticisms are those that apply directly to the original and prequel trilogies.
I love the part where Hayden Christenson had too fluid of a motion, and too fast of an attack, so he slowed down and had to struggle against Adult Ahsoka. Strangely enough, Star Wars fans are like the Andor prison. They got flavour in their nutrient-paste-food and think the sludge is great.
"Ohhh my gawwwd We finally got Anakin and Ahsoka fight!" We already got that in Rebels. Ahsoka facing the real non ghost Darth Vader on Malachor felt way more like a character development and confrontation than this, written by the same guy no less
I'm gonna say there were many more hands involved in Rebels, and more talented and passionate ones at that. There had to be. The show was just too good. I think Dave gave a rough outline, and better people took over.
@@VladtheInhaler Actually, I still don't like how it was done but one thing I can say, Finally Anakin Skywalker with a red lightsaber. So at least that. But truth be told, the force awakens had concept art of an Anakin force ghost that was part Anakin and part Vader, I kept hoping this would get picked up and actually used, but this never took up the opportunity to do that. Oh well
@@marcmarc1967 Couldn't have said it better myself mate. The worst critic is yourself and goes to show that it's important to listen to your co workers. Actors, writers, visual effects artists, cameramen even the guy who makes your coffee could have a good insight that you were blind to. Dave Filoni seems to have forgotten that he wouldn't be were he is without the guidance of a wise mentor.
The Clone Wars will always be memorable, this show will be forgotten after a month or so. The quality difference is insane, probably because Lucas had a large part in creating the Clone Wars show.
Current starwars D+ fans are happy with sludge… and the go over the moon if a couple of flecks of Oregano are dropped in. That in effect ruins it for the rest of us.
I disagree. I didn't enojoyed obi wan, book of bobba fett or mandalorian season 3, but I'm enjoying Ahsoka a lot (even though I've never seen clone wars or rebels).
@@MrAsmontero Cool! Did you enjoy Andor? I did… I’m just not feeling the story of Ahsoka. Saw and enjoyed clone wars didn’t see rebels…. The characters Sabin and Hera are so insufferable and take ridiculous actions…. It just pulls me out of the story. Shame…. Well, we’ll see where the story takes us…
Not a knock on Rosario Dawson who is older and probably doesn’t have great agility and coordination… but you can tell Hayden and Ewan took the role seriously by how intense they trained their saber choreography! Haydens “bladework” in a short scene is better than anything i saw in the Sequel trilogy.
The irony of how Hayden was given so much hate when the prequels came out and considered the thing that ruined Star Wars and now he’s the one out of all the actors Disney brought back that got given the best material
Right at the end you had to stab my brain with the idea of an original trilogy remake. Now I'm picturing Jane Skywalker who grew up on Tatooine and taught herself the force. She runs into the broken Old Ben who she rescues from Tusken Raiders so he gifts her her own lightsaber as thanks. He tells her about the rebels so she challenges Helen Solo to a game which she obviously wins and secures passage off the planet. They then rescue Prince Louie, an empty headed weak manlet that thanks Jane and constantly tells her how amazing she is. She then joins the rebels and destroys the death star on her first shot. C-3PO is unchanged, he's already a weak willed servant so he can keep his male voice.
I think the problem is that the writers want certian beats and certain moments, but don't do anything to set them up or earn them. It's like some weird scrapbook of emotional moments from better stories
Yes, it really feels like they are just leaning on the work done by others. I guess you shouldn't be surprised by this, Filoni's entire career is based on playing in George's sandbox. The whole Anakin/Ahsoka thing felt like they were trying to seem deep about some kind of internal struggle, a struggle not once mentioned or hinted at in the previous 4 episodes of the show. The very first Star Wars released begins in the middle of the action and nobody was confused about who Darth Vader was or who these rebels were or any of it. Because George knew what he was doing. This is just bad writing.
I don't know about others but I struggle with this a lot in my own writings. Its the reason I haven't tried publishing anything. I eventually get to a point where I look back and realize I've been pushing too much towards certain events, dynamics or even just imagery, and it just seems unnatural and it's not letting characters breathe enough of their own life. Then the break in momentum of trying to figure out how to fix it, just kills my ability to keep writing a story. I wish these writers had at least some of that restraint.
The reason she has to have teleported I would say is: 1. Yeah she would have drowned otherwise, she was there for several hours 2. She fell into the water by the rocks with waves crashing into them, so she would have been demolished on the rocks and thats that 3. Similarly, she probably couldnt have gotten out to that point in the ocean (apparently past the horizon from the cliff since the kid couldn't see the ships rescue her) since she fell at the point where the water shouldve just pushed her against the land
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Just hoping he put a itty bit of thought into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he put out a tweet saying she didn't teleport and refuses to elaborate
There was a time when writers were skillful to transform meta into plausible in-universe explanations as to why something occurs in story. You're not supposed to make the audience see the puppeteer's hands. Now people are gullible enough to maintain suspension of disbelief even though the magic was revealed and explained to them.
As someone who first watched the original in 1980 and has seen and read much of the EU content, including all of clone wars and rebels, I can't be asked to watch any more (and I made it through ALL of Bobba Fett). It's a show aimed at those imprisoned in Star Wars nostalgia, just a thing that feeds on itself.
The audience really likes to consoom those member berries even when they are covered in shit. Cool to see Hayden back in action though. You could totally see the difference in skill level of someone who put in the work for the duels in the prequels vs Disney SW. I just wish that if they were going to have Hayden return as Anakin, that he would be in a show that's considerably better written than something like Kenobi or Ahsoka. The whole thing just feels like such a waste of potential.
This. I couldn't care less for Disney content, I just watched Hayden's parts in episode 5 and didn't care for the rest. Praising Feloni's brilliance would be a big, big stretch, it was all Hayden and his awesomeness people are finally seeing. But the nostalgia baiting in these series is just bloody obvious, and ridiculous.
Seeing people praising that show like it's best thing ever because they threw some nostalgia in it makes me think that the star wars fandom deserves what they get.
Anyone who cried at this table scraps worth of shameless nostalgia needs to see a therapist, because being immature to the point where you are a child in an adults' body, bawling over corporate produced, low quality television is NOT healthy.
@@nilesrodriguez4343 Not necessarily, but why does one show have to save a whole franchise? That has to be done through a streak of consistently good projects at this point. The fan service here didn’t feel shallow nor was it irrelevant. It ties this show in to years of storytelling from Clone Wars and Rebels that develops the main character. Ahsoka actually worked towards this point and earned it unlike Rey, who meets every legacy character and is handed everything.
i liked the anakin-darth vader blink thing for what it was visually but i still recognise that ahsoka is a mindless husk of star wars and just a staring contest between everyone in this damn show
Watched that Grizzy video Gary mentioned, very good recommendation! Also watching that many sycophants was soul sucking, the world has fallen to the idiots.
Thanks for mentioning "Grizzy" for the gang Gary! I was binging on some of his excellent vids last night in fact and yeah, his Ahsoka Vids are outstanding! :)
To me, the single biggest problem is having so many directors with so many ideas failing to tell a single story. The first two episodes felt downright absurd at times. Episode 3 was… less… absurd, but only in the context of some stuff that happened in… the cartoons. There were *aspects* of 4 that I actually loved. And (only due to me having watched said cartoons) I actually felt like I knew what’s happening in episode 5. Even her calm reaction in the world between worlds kinda worked IF you have watched all the cartoons, which you can’t demand the viewers all do. But it NEEDED a single mind directing it. All of this needed to be cohesive.
Old Disney from 1939 - 2016 would like to have a word because in the past, they were doing pretty well. Modern Disney doesn’t care about characters, taking risks or good storytelling
Here is my interpretation, and unfortunately it fits within the “new” Disney Star Wars, going back to Rebels Karan’s Jedi Knight trial was facing off against the Jedi Guardians and then he was granted the rank of Jedi Knight. In Star Wars: Fallen Order, Cal faced his former master in some kind of force dream before he was granted the title Jedi Knight. My fear is this was Ahsoka’s Jedi Knight trial and now she is going to claim that “The Force” has granted her the title of Jedi Knight, or worse, Jedi Master so she can now be crammed into the new Rey movie and be Rey’s teacher and Rey can say that she was trained by Jedi Master Ahsoka. That story is convoluted enough for Disney’s Star Wars.
I would really enjoy seeing one of you guys doing a video essay on the topic Gary mentioned regarding "it all happens in her head" and how that doesn't mean anything - in general, not just specific to this show. I've always hated that trope/cheat of having some significant character development happening entirely within a character's mind (usually without any real world repercussions for failing)
Well there was also the time travel rock they found in the Lego SW Holiday Special so Rey could go back and save Luke or Yoda or something. That is totally all real by the way, but people’s hatred of Disney SW is so strong most don’t even know it happened.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 time travel rock in a Lego holiday special? And Lego also contributes to star wars lore? My dislike of Disney star wars happened when they made a terrible movie and told me if I didn't like it, I was the problem.
7:00 funny thing is, she had that "when i lead people may die" struggles back in clone wars show, in fact, not once but twice, first time she just got lectured by anakin how this is the nature of conflict and she has to live with it, second time she fucked up her command so bad that the jedi council basicly grounded her for a week. You would think that when she already had this arc twice that it would be done and dealt with for her character and it would not come up a third time... but here we are
I honest-to-god never thought I would look back on the Prequels and the whole Clone Wars era with extreme fondness and a deeply heartfelt longing, but holy crap Disney has done it. Disney has truly killed all my joy, enthusiasm, and happiness with Star Wars media, and the entire brand as a whole. I am saddened to be forced into being essentially a "former" Star Wars fan, and its such a shame that this is the reality Disney has worked so hard for. Hand to god, I would happily take Lucas and his crazy, unhinged attempts back. Say what you will about the prequels and their many issues--but no one can deny that they still *feel* like actual Star Wars films. It just has that intrinsic soul of the franchise that the sequel trilogy, especially 8 and 9, severely lacked. Damn you, Disney. What a colossal waste of a titanic franchise...
I just love how Felony completely forgets what they just did during Clone Wars. Morai used to be Ahsoka's companion after Anakin saved her life at Mortis, if I recall it was some representation that a deity called Ashla lived in her. I think what she saw was just a vision and it perhaps happened in a couple of seconds and that's cool and all but the lesson... i don't know, perhaps they tried to do something profound but it backfired. When she says she chooses to live, what does that mean? Is she now turning into a pacifist that refuses to fight? And if so, how does that fit into the story? In order for the galaxy to live, someone, the villains most of the time, have to die. A sacrifice must be made. Such wasted potential there
You're such a bimbo 😂 Ahsoka was on the brink of death. She has to choose to live or die. The lesson Anakin is teaching her is to stop feeling the guilt of his own fall because she's much more than that. She's felt that it was her fault he became Darth Vader since Rebels and hasn't gotten over that, which is why she's stoic and unemotional until now. This is also shown metaphorically with her guilt over the clone deaths, feeling her actions led to a legacy of death and destruction. "It is time for you to face your guilt and free yourself by choosing" - The Father.
This whole teleport theory sounds weird, because the trashbin droid found her while she was still in the world between worlds, so if she wasn't there how could the droid find her? is the droid also force sensitive? :'D
What's extraordinary to me is the fan fervour for Anakin is based on his animated appearances, which weren't even voiced by Christensen. So he's in this weird position of reaping all this fan love for his "return" when the character the fans grew to know and love was animated, and not even him. That must feel utterly bizarre for the actor.
I don't think it's that severe. For older zoomers, Christensen's Anakin was their Luke - he was a massively popular character, merchandise flew off the shelves, he was in every game, marketed everywhere, but that generation of children obviously wasn't writing the reviews. A lot of it is presentation, Christensen has a lot of screen presence, looks the part, and is very physically able. He also just looks really cool in the costume. It's also come out more and more over the years that Christensen was ruined in the director's chair and editing room. We've seen multiple unused takes of scenes where his performance is great, which Lucas then strips down to fit his vision, or scenes where they've clearly used a different angle than what was intended and made him look strange. He's also talked since 2005 about how he wanted to incorporate more of the military general/Han Solo rogue elements to the character, but Lucas wanted more of a wayward young man direction.
Hayden actually put time and effort into lightsaber combat. Dawson however looks like she spent about 5 minutes learning. Still they aren't going to fool me with nostalgia. Easily one of the worst shows I've ever seen.
@@Lobsterwithinternet They're allowed to be bored by gunfights (blaster) and Andor. TLJ fans aren't too happy either with BoBF and the Mando tag-team 🙊 as I heard
@@999999SkyGuy Allowed? Who said they couldn't like anything? And who’s talking about TLJ fans? I'm talking about people who are saying this ‘saved Star Wars’.
Ever since Failoni got his hands on Star Wars it has gradually become more and more like a magic world. With Lasersword Crystals that are sentient and test their chosen user in a life threatening quest and are hidden to anyone but their chosen user, like the Harry Potter magic wands. The Nightdipshits use actual magic that is straight up better than anything the Force can do. Worlds between Worlds, magical Apes and Doggos that are breaking the very World of Star Wars and the Force in it's entirety. And yet. failoni is supposedly a writing god. And all he touched is the best thing ever.
They should have made a series with Hayden and young Ahsoka would have been 10X better. That little young actor has more charisma than this entire cast combined 😂
1; I ONLY watch reviews about Ahsoka...because it's a bloody slo-mo trainwreck and I can't look away...but won't watch it. So, TY to you all for saving us all from having to watch it!! I mean that seriously! It's fascinating to see how bad bad can get...that's why I pay attention to Ahsoka. 2; Loves to The Critical Doggo ❤❤❤❤😍😍😍😍
That’s the interpretation on Ahsoka, she’s processing a lot of stuff resulting from the fact that she was Vader’s padawan. Unfortunately the show doesn’t communicate that at all.
Can someone please tell me the deeper meaning that these Disney shill fans keep saying happened in this episode? They can't even tell you if it took place in the world between worlds, Ashoka's mind or Anakin was even Anakin.
Well it's made to be ambiguous as Lucas has often done with force lore, for one. Two, we know that was Anakin because he mentions Luke's encounter with him in ROTJ. Ahsoka: I won't fight you Anakin: I've heard that before. Here's the lesson. Ahsoka feels like she's to blame for Anakin's fall to the dark side by abandoning him (as seen in Rebels). She's fallen under the same flaws the Jedi council did in the PT as seen in the Mandalorian and this series. That's why she talks to stoically as well. Hell, one of the reasons she lost is cuz her mind was imbalanced due to Baylon taunting her about Anakin and their legacy. Anakin's lesson here is to stop blaming herself for his fall as it was his choice and not her's. This is shown metaphorically through her guilt of the clone deaths with her feeling her actions got them killed. She then tells Anakin what Baylon told her about her legacy being death and destruction. Anakin tries to tell her she's more than that but once Ahsoka doubles down and says if she's everything he is, then Baylon was right, he sees she still hasn't learned his lesson, he takes the form of Darth Vader and makes her face him. To Quote The Father from Clone Wars, "It is time for you to face your guilt and know the truth. You must now release the guilt and free yourself by choosing" - The Father "I gave you a choice. Live or die." - Anakin. Anakin basically passes on the lesson Luke taught him to her and she goes under a similar situation. Embrace her anger and lose herself (die) or reject the darkness and stay true to herself (live). Now her mind is at balance at last and she's reborn as Ahsoka the White, as fans call her. And funny enough, if u freaking actually PAY ATTENTION to the previous episodes, her relationship and lessons to Sabine are tied to this as well.
@@alexdeghost2729 Except none of that is in this show nor should anyone need prior knowledge of any of that when watching this show. You would never understand any of that context based on what has been shown in 5 episodes. It a leap my friend and it poor writing and story telling.
@@brandonm4550 So you asked. You were given a plausible interpretation, and your response was just to dismiss it and call it poor? Do you think that's a sophisticated way to behave? I know this is a grifter channel and people want to hear cynicism and mockery, but can't you think for yourself? If you were left confused you should try watching the show again. As said above, it is intentionally ambiguous, but you don't need to have watched TCW to understand that Ahsoka felt guilty, or realise that Anakin was referencing what he learned from Luke. Even the way Ahsoka throws the lightsaber down is straight out of ROTJ.
@@Ruylopez778 You have to take what you're given not any of the previous material almost no one has seen or read. As with my opening statement no one can even say if that was a dream, world between worlds or was actually Anakin. If thats a dream that's not Anakin.
@@alexdeghost2729 Yep, nice concise take on it. We're not only the bad, and we're all part of a legacy, with something worthwhile to pass on. Mythology 101, and fits both characters to have that discussion. I think Ahsoka also needed to hear that she isn't only a warrior, that there's more to being a Jedi, (like Luke and Qui-Gon) than what they were twisted into during the Clone Wars. "You lack conviction" and "You're more than [a warrior]" also ties in quite nicely with Huyang's line, "Perhaps it is time to begin again?"
Loved the part where you guys get more analytical about it around half way of the vid talking about character development and stuff, im interested in that. More of that please!
@@afanofpeanuts7381 Nah, you're not allowed to like this, because Drinker wants Star Wars to be made for fans. And any fans who like this have to be mocked and dismissed because reasons... He's got to make his hate videos for the $$$
The very fact that Mauler found that many different interpretation only underlines the problem of everything Failoni makes. His Story makes no sense. So the Fans come up with their own Story.
Drinker: "You could fix all of this by having Ray Stevenson (Baylan) know what she did in the Clone Wars and play on that" Previous episode showed him doing exactly that during the duel. Telling her that her legacy is death and destruction (same as Anakin) and that she literally doesn't know any other way than violence. In this episode she basically repeats what Baylan told her to Anakin; in the context of both her fighting in the Clone Wars and him becoming Vader and Ahsoka being afraid of going down the same path ("If I am everything you are..."). This show is really not that hard to analyse (one just needs to actually listen to the dialogue); but I guess it's more difficult when your opinion has already been made before even watching it and you're not paying attention. And obviously it's not just happening in her head, as Anakin references events of the OT ('I won't fight you' -> 'I've heard that before' - being the obvious reference to Luke's "I won't fight you father").
The level of snark from these channels is so desperate. If they applied the same cynicism to the OT, it's just as bad as they're claiming this is. It's funny how Drinker plays gatekeeper that people excited with this show don't have any cinematic or storytelling knowledge. Most the stuff he praises as examples of quality is 80s and 90s mainstream genre movies.
@@Ruylopez778 Even fairytales have established rules. Why do you think there used to be tension that heroes can lose if the Force can just do anything?
It's incredible. You go online and people are just fangasming all over this episode like it's the second coming of George Lucas. Then, finally, I get to the sensible people doing reviews, like Disparu, who mentions every single problem I had with it. Sure, I liked seeing Hayden again. I love that he's still amazing with his saber. The problem was it made her look godawful. You're absolutely right. This show is nothing but member berry stew.
Same. It’s annoying they’ve gone from critiquing how badly Luke was characterised in the sequel films, to shitting on shows when the characters are done right. Can’t win with these guys 🙄
@@damedeviant1388 Not only that, they whine about Disney ignoring what fans want, and when some fans on Twitter are excited, they dismiss it as memberberries...
I think the biggest casualty with this Ahsoka show is how the fanbase is so desperate to defend it, despite its flaws. The storytelling in it is absolutely frakkin' terrible yet it does my soul good that it has had similar ratings to Andor, which had a far better story by comparison, despite being based around a guy with zero fandom compared to the sacred cow that is Filoni's Ahsoka. And I'm honestly perfectly fine with that. Andor stood on its own merits whereas Ahsoka is pulling every single cheap trick to win its audience over. Even worse than Mando's S2 finale.
Wasn't the world between worlds originally supposed to be junction points in the points in the force where there was a choice that could be made and it would change things .
My only Question is where is mid 20's LUKE PRIME ???? If Thrawn is that Dangerous Luke would feel it during his Force Meditations and at least Join her crappy LS fighting Ass !!
The irony of these guys blaming the fans for liking stuff, when they are forever criticising the makers of shows for criticising fans reactions. hypocrites
Yeah I'm not gonna lie I usually agree with these guys but this is first time I think they really just forcing it. Nobody is saying ahsoka is the greatest thing ever but it is objectively better than anything we've gotten in recent years. First time I ever feel like these guys are hating to hate because it's their brand
@@zachanator2011 That's their point tho. It really isn't better than anything we've gotten, its just covered with a healthy coating of nostalgia. Take away the familiar characters and the story we are left with is... bad.
I'll give it a go. Mando's whole goal was to get Baby Yoda to the Jedi. There's only one Jedi in the entire galaxy at that point: Luke. So, Luke had to show up eventually. Anakin* showed up to teach Ahsoka a final lesson that she needs to live life more fully. Or something. I have no idea what the lesson was actually supposed to be or how the previous episodes showed us that she wasn't "choosing to live" or whatever. She mentioned a few regrets from her past, but they didn't seem to much affect her actions. Apparently, I needed to have watched Clone Wars and Rebels to understand this sudden bit of character development. I'm getting distracted. Anakin shows up to teach Ahsoka this life lesson, but I don't see why she couldn't have learned the lesson in a different manner. A heart to heart talk with Hera could have done it after discovering Sabine went with them. There was no other way for Mando to get Baby Yoda to the Jedi except through Luke. So, that's how I see the difference. Luke was necessary, Anakin was not. *I did enjoy seeing Hayden Christiansen as Anakin again. I just don't think it was narratively necessary.
@@Off-Brand_Devin I understand what "show don't tell" is but all they showed was a duel. I mean was the lesson for her to stay alive instead of drowning? Because that was bs.
@@TheyWantMeGone69 Oh, I'm with you. I have no idea what the lesson was actually supposed to be, but I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be more than her simply not drowning. Regardless, I couldn't see how it tied into anything we've seen with Ahsoka's character in the previous 4 episodes.
The fact that people fell for the nostalgia bait *again* is just sad. It's just Luke vs the robots in the Mandilorian OR Vader vs the Rebels in Rogue One. Filoni knows how to jingle keys to keep people's attention - he did it that trick several times in Clone Wars and Rebels. You'd think they'd have learned that this is only a temporary boost. It never lasts longer than a week at most until the next episode gets released. A year from now, I doubt anyone will remember this scene as good.
You're such a short bus rider :joy: THIS scene has been built up for YEARS and is an actual story being told rather than just a fan service cameo. Dingas. Get lost you scrub
There's such a thing as being too negative that you become a buzz kill. There's criticism and then there's beecoming a cheerleader to a black void like you're part of a team.
This episode cemented for me that Ahsoka fans really are beyond parody. I've seen multiple examples in the past few days of people seriously writing things that I thought were the punchlines to jokes. At least they provide a little entertainment.
Star Wars 'fans' mocking fellow Star Wars fans for liking Star Wars. THAT is beyond parody. This the point where you really should think about moving on. You have literally talked yourself out of something you once enjoyed.
A lot of Star Wars "fans" will happy eat shit if you stamped the Star Wars logo on it. Perhaps some of us don't want to be mindless consumers, though you seem to lack the intelligence to comprehend that. I'm not saddened by you, just rightfully disgusted.
If you think about it, all this show is about is a bunch of ladies looking for a blue-faced man using every maguffin they can to drag out the journey. Thrawn's big entrance is going to be very anti-climactic as everyone already knows that's the end game. But, every shill will praise Filoni for dropping nostalgia bites and herald him as the second coming of Christ and every reaction video will show them smiling and crying and jumping and clapping at seeing Anakin or Clone Troopers and they will say this is the best Star Wars ever. But, step back and see it for what it is and it's not as good as they think.
