Dropsite Massacre at Isstvan V - Civil War - Warhammer 40k Lore

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Wizards and Warriors Channel fantasy animated documentary video series on the lore Warhammer 40k Universe and the Horus Heresy, started with the discussion of how the humanity fared in the 3rd millennium and beyond, how the Emperor started uniting the Humanity and the beginning of the Great Crusade, as Emperor and his sons - the Primarchs use the newly created space marines to bring the Humans together through conquest. They would fight the Xenos, including the Orks and this episode featured the battle of Ullanor against an Orkish Waaagh ( • Warhammer 40k - Start ... ). The Primarchs grew dissatisfied when the militaristic side of the Imperium began waning in importance, and more power was given to normal humans. Many secretly broke the rules made by the Emperor, unknowingly opening themselves to the machinations of the Chaos Gods. While all this was happening, the newly appointed Warmaster, Horus Lupercal, struggled to keep his brothers in check and prove that he was a capable leader - the seeds of chaos were sown ( • Warhammer 40k - Seeds ... ). Horus falls to Chaos due the plots of Erebus, leading to the Burning of Prospero, which was one of the greatest misunderstandings in the history of the Imperium leading to the fall of the Thousands Sons to chaos ( • Horus Falls - WH40k Lo... ). He was now ready to begin the Civil War at Isstvan III ( • Battle of Isstvan III ... ), and the victory there allowed the Traitorous legions to ambush the Loyalists at Isstvan V, leading to the dropsite massacre.
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@WizardsandWarriors 11 месяцев назад

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@debbielungsodaitfllo 11 месяцев назад

Where is the new episode of the mongol invasion of europe

@richardthomas9497 11 месяцев назад

I noticed you've called the Imperium 'the Empire' a few times. As I recall it's always been called the Imperium or Imperium of Man.

@gunesefendiyeva8523 11 месяцев назад

I would be glad if you indicated the books from which you took fragments of this massacre of Isstvan. Especially about the beginning of the battle.

@siechamontillado 11 месяцев назад

Fraggle Rock doo doo doo doo doo doo Fraggle Rock doo doo doo doo doo doo Fraggle Rock doo doo doo doo doo doo lore video when?

@Geneserion 10 месяцев назад

@richardthomas9497 and Lion 'El was Leonel which is odd because when we say Lion it's Lion not Leon

@KingsandGenerals 11 месяцев назад

My grandfather fought in this battle. What do you mean, on which side? That is a personal question.

@TuneForDugecko 11 месяцев назад

10 like no comment? Lemme fix that!

@General_Caolho 11 месяцев назад

True words i was there…

@pyeitme508 11 месяцев назад

Bruh 😂

@GeorgeEstregan828 11 месяцев назад

Inquisition and Grey Knights: So which side is it?

@captaintitus4637 11 месяцев назад

Hmmmmmmmm kinda sus

@akuinator6350 11 месяцев назад

"You know, maybe we should have just dropped cyclonic torpedoes from the opposite side of the planet." -Ferrus Manus, posthumous interview.

@kacu2153 11 месяцев назад

Nah, Ferrus would still want to bring back Fulgrim, his best friend, give him a smack to the head and drag him back to reason

@sickjoe9174 11 месяцев назад

Or at the very least dont push so hard you get completely surrounded and leave your flanking forces to eat shit :D

@frankthetank8050 10 месяцев назад

😂😂😂

@ThatDragonGuy 10 месяцев назад

They were fortified and had anti-air batteries.

@akuinator6350 10 месяцев назад

@@ThatDragonGuy A cyclonic torpedo blows up the whole planet. You'd just drop it from the opposite side of the planet from Horus's fortress, or even better just out of range of the anti-air defenses. The exact same vector they used to land their gunships.

@codysing1223 11 месяцев назад

This video did Vulkan Justice. Showed off the tenacity of the Salamander. Ferrus was so blinded by rage, he couldn't see the mistake until it was too late. Corax was in such shock he was in tears, his legion was never meant to fight this way out in the open... Like Gate 42 all over again... He flew into a rage trying to kill Lorgar.

@georgepatton93 11 месяцев назад

It was here the Horus' treachery was finally revealed to the galaxy, It was here that for the first time, a primarch fell in battle against his own brother, it was here where the end began

@Scorpionwincheater88 11 месяцев назад

I cry

@_spooT 11 месяцев назад

Imagine sending the Dark Angels, White Scars and the Ultramarines with them. The Ultramarines would've brought a stalemate due to their numbers, Gman would've been cautious and would've been a pain in the ass as well as how quickly the Ultramarines could adapt not to mention their tactical prowess and logistical advantage, the White Scars would've made the traitors know the real meaning of Blitzkrieg it would make the Death Korps of Krieg wet, the Dark Angels alone together with the Lion would've personally slapped Horus so hard, it would bring him to tears

@ElemXCR 10 месяцев назад

And that's why they were sent away.

@aerosdacillo1227 7 месяцев назад

Dark angels alone is enought remember they have men of iron in their basement

@iloveplayingpr 28 дней назад

@@aerosdacillo1227 Curze faced 7 Men of Iron and came out on top.

@wargriffin5 11 месяцев назад

Perturabo: "Yeah...they're just running around shooting each other down there....ALRIGHT! FIRE!" *(Smacks nuclear launch button multiple times)*

@Isildun9 11 месяцев назад

The White Scars were not ignoring the calls. They were literally so far out on the fringes that no one knew exactly where they were. By the time they got back, the galaxy was burning in civil war, and they were just like, "Ok, what did we miss?". The Khan was actually more sympathetic to his traitor brothers than to the Emperor or most of the Loyalist primarchs. But, he had sworn his oath to the Emperor, and Jaghatai Khan was no Oathbreaker.

@jonbaxter2254 11 месяцев назад

Jaghatai is made of the good stuff.

@Angelimir 11 месяцев назад

He may have been sympathetic, but he did not stay loyal to Big E because of his oath, but because he deemed, that taken all together, it's still the Emperor that is the less asshole of the two.

@Razgriz_01 10 месяцев назад

I'm guessing that sympathetic viewpoint evaporated once he saw what was happening to the Traitor legions with all the Warp fuckery happening to them.

@Pizzifrizzo 10 месяцев назад

The White Scars did indeed ignore Leman Russ' call to aid him in the Alaxxes Nebula, but only after they had broken free of Chondax. At that point, the Khan opted to ignore Russ' summons because he felt unsure as to which side was on the right and opted instead to travel to Prospero to make up his mind before intervening in the war.

@jumnei5159 10 месяцев назад

@@Razgriz_01yeah his last conversation with Mortarion made it clear.

@redornament3248 11 месяцев назад

"I am a humble servant of the Dark Prince, an emissary sent to aid you in your _little_ war.." -Fulgrim, Primarch of the Emperor's Children to Horus after his possession by a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh during the Battle of Isstvan V

@gorvarhadgarson5227 11 месяцев назад

Shoutout to the Mechanicus for keeping the Hereteks on Mars so Horus didn't get any back up!

@Primus_Phallus 11 месяцев назад

It's not that they had a choice. Rogal blockaded the Red Planet but did not sent boots to the ground.

@widdershins5383 10 месяцев назад

So…praise Dorn? Lol

@NP3GA 11 месяцев назад

This battle knocked out the Salamanders, the Raven Guard and the Iron Hands. They were completely unable to make a difference in the following conflict, completely terrifying when you think about it.

@codysing1223 11 месяцев назад

The Shattered Legions, Shadrak Meduson nearly killing the Phoenician. Successfully killing Lucius, as well as many times their number in traitor legionaries. Corax's Raptors and sabotaging of the Warmasters Supply lines. Many Salamanders/Ravenguard and Iron hands regrouped with the Avenging Son on his journey to Terra... Taking part in the scouring. Vulkans journey through fire to reach Terra, and ultimately protect the Emperor of mankind. Corax organized and kept loyal forces/survivors those who could oppose Horus and prevented him from obtaining many weapons and technologies.

@richardthomas9497 11 месяцев назад

Not without trying they did; these Shattered Legions warbands would try anything and everything to harass the Traitor Legions supply lines. Some would even come close to assassinating the traitor Primarchs.

@tunguskalumberjack9987 11 месяцев назад

They weren’t rendered powerless, though. They definitely didn’t have the same impact that the larger Legions did, but they hampered the traitors by guerilla warfare and sabotage, destroyed supply lines, reinforcement muster locations, provided much-needed reconnaissance, etc, and were a hugely inspiring example of working together and perseverance. Without them, it’s possible that the traitors could have rolled right over all of Terra’s defenses, and the final battle could have ended up quite differently. They deserve much more credit and respect than they’ve ever been shown.

@WitcherGerd 10 месяцев назад

Corvus and his remaining raven guard launched a brutal guerrilla campaign against the traitors, harassing supply lines and intercepting vital reinforcements to the traitors fronts and overall being a constant thorn in Horus side.

@Pizzifrizzo 10 месяцев назад

The Shattered Legions made their contribution on the war. While the Raven Guard tried to stabilise the south, the Iron Hands and other forces rallied around some charismatic leaders, like Shadrak Meduson and Autek Mor, and laid waste to Horus' supply lines and some important traitor sites (like Bodt). They managed to slow down the traitors' advance by months, if not years, preventing them from ever feeling comfortable in their own rearlines. Meduson even came close to assassinate Horus himself on one occasion. Later in the conflict, the Salamanders even prevented Fulgrim from consolidating a new empire of horrors after his Legion fled from Chemos, destroyed by the Dark Angels!

@user-jq1mg2mz7o 11 месяцев назад

the graphics are IMMACULATE

@otgunz 11 месяцев назад

Thank you, this audience deserves the best, I am not there but trying hard.

@jaghatai_bulut 11 месяцев назад

By the emperor.. the artwork is just... wow. Just wow. I applaud stansing sirs.

@otgunz 11 месяцев назад

Bon apetit, best I can afford for this community. Thanks.

@dystopianchimp 11 месяцев назад

Awesome video!! Loving this series Just a couple things I wanted to point out (others feel free to pls correct me): 1. Dorn did not send his retribution fleet to reinforce the Phall system. Rather, they were intended to actually support the "loyal" legions at Istvaan V in that action. They entered real-space at Phall only due to the interference of the Iron Warriors legion who basically used weird warp / psyker tech to create warp storms that forced them into that system to isolate them and keep them trapped so that Perturabo could TRY to kill them all himself. 2. The loyalists were also supported by Titan Legions (Legio Atarus). 3. Vulkan's perpetual nature was not known at this stage and did not impact the Istvaan conflict. His perpetuality was only discovered post battle under the torture of Curze (much to the annoyance of Curze who tried to kill him in every way possible). This is important as it plays a key part in explaining the Salamander's legion mindset post Istvaan as they were all told Vulkan was killed but refused to believe and held onto the "Vulkan Lives" mantra.

@Geneserion 10 месяцев назад

Yeah true Sigismund was meant to go to Istavaan as reinforcement and Vulkan's perputuqluty only came to the fore when he was captured by Konrad

@sillytrooper 11 месяцев назад

you really have the 40k style down, love it!

@otgunz 11 месяцев назад

Thank you, most welcome.

@richardthomas9497 11 месяцев назад

The reasons for Horus sending the Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Dark Angels to far-flung edges of the galaxy, was because the Legions and their Primarchs are deemed the greatest threat to the Warmaster. The Ultramarines were the largest Legion with roughly 300,000 Astartes. While Roboute Guilliman was not the best combatant, he had the greatest administrative and analytical skills of the primarchs. Sanguinius, primarch of the Blood Angels, was perhaps the most dangerous to Horus in terms of his martial skill and foresight. While Horus is also aware of the Blood Angels' Red Thirst. Lionel El'Jonson, having both animal instincts and great martial prowess was another primarch Horus didn't want to fight in single combat. Especially with his unwavering loyalty and unusually strong primarch aura. The Dark Angels, a Legion known for extermination, had weapons from the Dark Age of Technology that none of the other Legions had. Also the Dark Angels specialised in fighting Lovecraftian Eldritch horrors in the galaxy.

@petezero4840 11 месяцев назад

This post is spot on, a man who knows his lore. In my opinion he feared the 1st legion the most, all the primarchs knew the Lion should have been the warmaster.

@DirtyMardi 11 месяцев назад

@@petezero4840Lion would have been a terrible warmaster. Everyone would have rebelled in a year. Sanguinius and Guilliman booted him from imperium secundus for being a lying dick. Nobody liked him and he didn’t like anybody. I don’t think anybody but himself mentioned that he should’ve been the warmaster.

@IceCubE4425 11 месяцев назад

@@DirtyMardi What are you on about? If it was based on Merit the Lion hands down should and could have been chosen. What isnt realised is that he had equalled or slightly more worlds brought into compliance than Roubette and Horus during the great crusade, DESPITE being found later then all of them. In a converastion with the Emp himself, it was stated he was most qualified for War-master based on skill of warfare and Loyalty and Compliance Tally but said "some men need titles to mark an occasion (refering to Horus need for attention) and some men do not" . They would not at all rebel out of fear the dark angles brought and the dark age technology they had, which by the way , no other legion was trusted with.

@DirtyMardi 11 месяцев назад

@@IceCubE4425 I can’t find the exact quote where Big E states that Lion was the most qualified. Can you cite it please? I’ve also not seen any quotes in any books where other primarchs or anyone else really thought that Lion should be the Warmaster. Horus was made the Warmaster because he can play with everyone and use their strenghts, not make them extensions of his own legion, shackling their potential. Guilliman would have probably made a good Warmaster, but could he direct Kurze or Angron… eh. Sanguinius was the best choice but he may not have been as good or experienced general.

@berry1666 11 месяцев назад

@@IceCubE4425it says time and again in the novels that the Son Of Horus have the greatest record of the great crusade.

@CloudWallace 11 месяцев назад

Rogal Dorn's portrait needs additional moustache

@chrisstorrer 11 месяцев назад

Y'all are upping your animation game with this video. Keep up the good work.

@otgunz 11 месяцев назад

Thank you, most welcome.

@veterankasrkin7416 11 месяцев назад

_My dead is mine, and mine alone! I deny you this victory, traitors._

@Killionaire29 11 месяцев назад

_We'll go together then, shall we?_

@theflyingdutchie2585 11 месяцев назад

The mechanicus soundtrack in the back makes this so much better

@jessecastellanos669 11 месяцев назад

Dude the ui and map is so awesome 😎 I love this presentation

@otgunz 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching and this comment.

@codysing1223 11 месяцев назад

"All I See is Betrayal!" -Ferrus Manus on Isstvan V

@saucycardinal3322 7 месяцев назад

Please keep doing this series on the horus heresy in chronological order. One of the best on RU-vid by far!

@otgunz 7 месяцев назад

2 more episodes added so far

@majorianus8055 9 месяцев назад

this series is criminally underrated

@NicholasFreeman-y7g 11 месяцев назад

as a 21 year warhammer fan..you did well. thank you.

@hythlodaeus5818 11 месяцев назад

Perfect timing. Was about to read Fulgrim, but I didn't really want to because Flight of the Eisenstein was a slog. Now I can skip to the Dan Abnett books and enjoy myself.

@kacu2153 11 месяцев назад

In "Fulgrim", the Dropiste Massacre is like 20 pages

@AndrewMaKrayKyer 11 месяцев назад

I have been waiting for the next one in this series! Thank you! I am currently on the book "Mechanicum" and it's pretty good so far.

@thepiratepenguin4465 10 месяцев назад

This was awesome, the production value is excellent & informative.

@advent7166 8 месяцев назад

this is perfection! I'm glad to have found this channel.

@PrimisSanguis 9 месяцев назад

Annnnnyday now. Loving the series.

@The_Foil 11 месяцев назад

this are very well made , loving this series

@AntonAdelson 11 месяцев назад

How GOOD is Mechanicus soundtrack huh? Used in this video!

@jaghatai_bulut 11 месяцев назад

And from that day onwards, whenever the mildest of inconvinience happened, Corax being the drama queen he is, said "its the dropsite massacre all over again"

@shimazutakuma1031 11 месяцев назад

Been waiting for this! Thanks W&W!

@jacobhamilton2473 11 месяцев назад

This is dope- Horus

@Atlashon 11 месяцев назад

Wow, the artwork is brilliant.

@otgunz 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for watching and your comment. It really helps.

@AngryCenturion576 11 месяцев назад

I need to prepare myself emotionally for this

@Spacemongerr 11 месяцев назад

Let me know when you're ready

@corvus2512 9 месяцев назад

I still haven’t, I started reading the HH series in 2008 and have never gotten over what happens to the Raven Guard….

@reaver5 10 месяцев назад

Amazing work, masterpiece

@joelbedingfield7221 11 месяцев назад

Always like the story and enjoy it even more when it is described in such good details 👁️

@maximusd26 11 месяцев назад

I pray for the day this channel will cover Kingdom (manga) battles, the greatest in term of strategy and epicness

@18thCadianArmyGroup 11 месяцев назад

I’ve subscribed to ‘Kings and Generals’ years ago, may as well subscribe to this one as well… PLEASE MAKE MORE OF THESE. 😎

@martinithechobit 11 месяцев назад

High quality stuff thanks. easy to understand.

@ThePerfectBiscuits 11 месяцев назад

Love this series; please keep it up!

@tirsolouisegaccion4419 11 месяцев назад

I've been waiting for this!

@RevenantIgor 11 месяцев назад

"When the traitor's hand strikes, it strikes with the force of a Legion." - Warmaster Horus

@jordank3203 11 месяцев назад

hype as fuck for the end and death part 2(novemember) but sadly part 3 wont be out for 6-8 months after

@pocketheart1450 11 месяцев назад

Do Star Trek's Dominion War please

@volkisch14 11 месяцев назад

We need more warhammer lore vids.

@mk-v4660 11 месяцев назад

Great animations and overal great video

@akiva2112 11 месяцев назад

Ferrus Manus will never get any further Ahead in life.

@jaegerbomb269 11 месяцев назад

May the Raven Guard have their vengeance against the traitors!

@damongnojek3912 11 месяцев назад

This seems a lot like the conflict on Isstvan V.

@Matt_Alaric 11 месяцев назад

As a minor criticism the 7 days to die screamer sound going off randomly in the background of the music is quite jarring and distracting. Other than that this is top notch stuff.

@54relly96 11 месяцев назад

"Leon" lol

@thehandoftheking3314 11 месяцев назад

I'm early enough I can leave on the eisenstein

@vladokalaba2640 11 месяцев назад

Vulkan is Wolverine of warhammer 40K ;) :D

@EdHorlick 11 месяцев назад

any ideas on when the final episode of the mongol invasion of europe will come out? we still need to see Bela vs Batu.

@garethmcguinness377 11 месяцев назад

Yeah this guy gets it ^

@LouisKing995 11 месяцев назад

Why does the Emperor’s artwork look like a fishman from One Piece ?

@richardthomas9497 11 месяцев назад

Wouldn't it be interesting if W&W did One Piece lore?

@gordquigley 8 месяцев назад

This is fantastic!

@danielsantiagourtado3430 11 месяцев назад

Love your content 😊😊😊😊

@konatelassina5301 10 месяцев назад

Boy, that Leon.....

@tarik123mus 10 месяцев назад

please more!!

@otgunz 10 месяцев назад

On the way :)

@mcinnisboy 10 месяцев назад

Post-Isstvan III Dorn was given supreme command, and rather than consolidate forces, confirm loyalties, and identify a theatrical commander, instead he fired 7 un-vetted legions to the Isstvan system to make an immediate assault on arrival (not even attempt a blockade). Great planning.

@Boric78 11 месяцев назад

rather good this.

@SavageFreedom 11 месяцев назад

You have several major mistakes: 1.Lion El Johnson's name pronounced wrong.

@kieferkarpfen6897 11 месяцев назад

One of the biggest battles in the Horus hersey. Less Combatants than Stalingrad. It would be nice if you add a few zeros to the imperial army forces.

@corvus2512 9 месяцев назад

4000 out of 80000 remained… such a loss, mistakes were made.

@williamyoung9401 7 месяцев назад

I can't wait to play this game. 😋

@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 8 месяцев назад

Should have had all the alpha legion troop symbols be Alpharius

@Madhattersinjeans 11 месяцев назад

Leon El Johnson...you guys make him sound like a basketball player lol.

@markmooney9416 11 месяцев назад

All I wanted was the truth!

@EugeneEgar 11 месяцев назад

Ultramarines alone can stand whole traitor legion

@yoelliberanome920 11 месяцев назад

Is the uchrony on Mongol invasion of western Europe continuing?

@Reignor99 10 месяцев назад

YES!!!!!

@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 8 месяцев назад

Corvus and Vulcan 😢

@nafisfaiaz3993 11 месяцев назад

It was Istvan 5 bro

@Michaelkayslay 11 месяцев назад

How on earth did the loyalists get off the planet . Let alone survive

@Abcschtze 11 месяцев назад

Resilience

@Staffbox2 11 месяцев назад

Yo mongol new part pls last one feels like years ago

@MagaldiMateus 11 месяцев назад

And then the galaxy burned

@blackrose_221 11 месяцев назад

Need a bit of work on the names. But other than that good job

@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral 11 месяцев назад

Using a technique unknown to us, a technique involving sound

@zrk9867 11 месяцев назад

nice

@widdershins5383 10 месяцев назад

Poor Vulkan, that Emperor given Perpetually worked hard against him when Konrad Curze picked him up and tortured him for months. Literally killing him in every way he could think of, slowly driving him more insane as he couldn’t kill his brother.

@TheRavenLord1 11 месяцев назад

As a Raven, I was there that day. So many brothers lost that day

@zabonVanDam 11 месяцев назад

Damn that's good

@wyattjenkins7898 11 месяцев назад

More warhammer 40k needs uploaded😭

@phantomwolf5468 10 месяцев назад

👍🏾love 40k😊

@Azubrael 11 месяцев назад

About time...

@luisdoyer3260 10 месяцев назад

What if Erda came back and joined the Tau.

@zloma2023 11 месяцев назад

it is Imperium, not the empire

@legionofthedamned157 11 месяцев назад

Wrong planet, it should be Isstvan V, not VI

@deez8993 11 месяцев назад

Can I have a link to the art.

@otgunz 11 месяцев назад

We can't unfortunately, all you see on this series created by me for the sole use of W&W, all rights reserved by the channel. Maybe only if you were a paid sub. then they would give away, sometimes they do. But much thanks for your interest, helps me to move on.

@gunesefendiyeva8523 11 месяцев назад

I have read almost all the books of the Horus Heresy ,but none of them describe the battle itself,there are only fragmentary episodes.What books is this video based on?

@jirisekanina4954 11 месяцев назад

Fulgrim, end of the book describes the battle.

@kacu2153 11 месяцев назад

It's because the story is fragmented, you can check the sources of wikis to see where it was mentioned

@codysing1223 11 месяцев назад

There are so many stories and angles of the battle itself. It's amazing... And tragic, The Ravenguard of a Squad that made it to the home world of the Ultramarines... Were traumatized that they used their cousins to escape the battle, living ashamed of themselves.

@gunesefendiyeva8523 11 месяцев назад

@@jirisekanina4954 Yes,but just a small fragments of one of many battles.

@gunesefendiyeva8523 11 месяцев назад

@@kacu2153 I read the book themselves, but on Wikipedia everything is more confusing than you think. Therefore, I was wondering from what sources he was able to find those "missing fragments" of the overall picture of the battle on Isstvan V.