Dry Pack Mortar for Shower: Tile Coach Episode 27

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Watch me float a shower floor on a slab foundation with a kerdi-line drain. Some people call it "Dry Pack", some call it "Deck Mud", but basically it is the best way to build a base for a shower.
Using sand and cement and a little bit of water, the tile setter will create a mortar that is easier to screed, shape, and slope than traditional "wet" mortar or "fat mud". Watch the step by step process of creating the best shower base possible.

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@ulfarorarson3885 3 года назад

Such an inspiration! I'm a programmer in Iceland dealing with a seriously faulty house i bought and am fixing the upstairs guest bathroom... you are my goto source of help!! Thank you thank you!!

@StarrTile 5 лет назад

Nice clean work..good job LOL@ 4:40, born & raised native Californian👍

@StarrTile 5 лет назад

yes sir...and the thick skin 👍😎

@mattmills4651 5 лет назад

I love drypack in Philly we call wet bed its surprising not many installers know how to do it right I like watching your videos and we have a strong union presence here still I worked with union tile guys they do know the right way

@derricks3918 5 лет назад

Philly philly !

@AndresRodriguez-sm1fr 4 года назад

I use the same method just picking your ideas , and doing different methods . I am also from California . I agree the level does not lie . I say the same stuff I am good . I like seeing different videos on tile work all the time I pick something new or a way to do something else different . good job homies.

@charlieconustedes9969 5 лет назад

You are right about big guys and how we would approach floating this, I’m 6’3 I would set 1 screed at the back and float off the line drain do it all from outside the shower

@michaelcampos75 3 года назад

Great video, I'm a drywaller by trade and always watch how you guys make it look easy, all in the experience i say, plus the dense shield is a great water resistant board.

@rainmaker3700 5 лет назад

First thing I do is pour a 1/2" of lever quick, makes for a perfect surface surface to build the drypack off of. Plus, dry pack bonds to it like a champ if you apply it while the level quick is still green.

@hectorrios6255 Год назад

You’re doing it right Brother man that old school way is the best way that’s when people used to work hard to Learn that trade right n when you get to the point every project you will do it Pride because you earn good job brother men

@Dtileandremodeling 5 лет назад

I can’t agree with you more about the (pour the pan) !!! Anyone who says that isn’t a tile guy or doesn’t know any better. I call it pack the shower base. By the way I am more of a foam guy since I am half way to a wheel chair,but I do mud when needed. Comedy show there in this video !

@JB_58008 5 лет назад

Over here in New England a lot of guys call it "pouring" a pan. I was raised calling it "packing" a pan. Everytime I do one I say never again! I'm switching to foam! I'm sure it makes it easier when you have a helper though

@mattheizer8054 5 лет назад

Nice to see that some RU-vid contractors show how to do it right. I’m a Tile setter in California too working primarily in the north Bay Area. I love working with fat mud and deck mud and do so it almost every situation.

@ryancoulter7681 5 лет назад

Nice work Isaac! I like the attention to detail! I overheard you mention floating a wall for a video idea. You should do it. I still do when needed, ie out of plumb walls. I don't believe in wet shimming or spending the time to add a bunch of strapping.

@Hhhhhhlllll 5 лет назад

Compared to other tile RU-vidrs your chill and explain stuff and actually have a good camera and no sped up video which is nice and no crappy music. I don't know but your going to gain alot of more subs in within this year good vibes

@jv17518 3 года назад

100 percent. A video thats actually helpful

@bigskyab 5 лет назад

ya breathing hard ronny? hey dude....I have been in floor covering for 23 years..carpet and vinyl...done a ton of flat lay tile...mostly kitchens and entry ways, laundry rooms and baths....as I approach my 50s im seriously considering getting into tile only...I have a buddy willing to show me wall and shower lay out and install...I appreciate yer videos and think that you do a great job representing quality installs and the trade in general...we all have failures and never learn from the success'...yer a cool dude..thanks for yer benevolence.

@tbasshandyman7610 3 года назад

I've always used fine sand and portland. For pre slope and mud floors. I use mortar for brick and block work laying

@jamesabbe3141 2 года назад

Absolutely amazing, you are truly an artist. I really enjoy watching as you and your team transform the ordinary and sometimes what seems as if an impossibility into someone’s personal delight. Always amazed. Keep up the excellent work. And by the way some of us Texas folk think that we have the only real way of doing things, not always what the norm might be for everyone else.. Ha Ha Ha.

@wolenv 2 года назад

You're the Bob Ross of dry pack mortar lol 11/10

@hots4jc 2 года назад

I saw a guy use bricks instead of a board with the Kurdey product, and then he mortared it. Genius! No rot there.

@user-qx1wl2um2k Год назад

I never could understand the purpose of using dry pack as opposed to a mixture that is just a little more wet. I don't trust it to set up completely. I "poured" a shower pan that is 4'x7' on an above grade concrete slab with a sticky mix. I used red guard water proofing, tiled it and it has never leaked. It's been 12 yrs.

@Apexjasonmorganllc 3 года назад

Nice mud work I do it the same exact way. Love seeing tile guys that still know how to use drypack.

@eyeballengineering7007 3 года назад

I learned from an old lesbian tile lady. But it's been 15 years. I wanted a refresher before I did my shower, thanks.

@thenorthshore6472 5 лет назад

Third generation pure blood dago tile setter here. Learned the trade over 35 years ago. Passed down by my father and grandfather. Here in Michigan I dry pack most all my floors. We call it "pulling mud" and "pulling screeds". Still the best most solid level floors going! Nice job Isaac...great work!

@thenorthshore6472 5 лет назад

Isaac Ostrom when I started we'd use the old oil soaked 'rib' lath (don't think it's made anymore) and scratch coat wall mud. (40lb bag of lime, 94 lb bag of Portland and 35 shovels of sharp sand) we'd then level the walls with a second coat using 'screed sticks' leveled with a screed of wall mud, with a pinch of baking soda. The baking soda set it up almost instantly so it'd harden to 'pull' off of. I still have one old builder who has me do it this way. Sometimes well pull wall mud over drywall where the scratch coat isn't needed. The rib lath method went over tarpaper and bare studs. I'll also do Durock, Hardie, Wonderboard and the others but still kinda set in my ways. Hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Lol But I dig the new methods. Definitely time savers!

@thenorthshore6472 5 лет назад

Isaac Ostrom galvanized diamond lath today but years ago a thicker oil soaked rib lath was common. It was more rigid and held up better for the scratch coat. Haven't seen it sold in years though.

@davegoss3908 5 лет назад

Super refreshing to have someone on you tube teaching that actually knows what they are talking about ! I’m stuck in my safe space with pan liners but this is best of both worlds , custom slope and Kerdi. Thanks man.

@marcleblanc7021 3 года назад

Thank you Tile coach! Finally someone that explains and knows how to talk and explain their work. You ruined it for me, lol just kidding. Because after watching your videos, and trying to watch some of these other channels fumble threw what the teaching, they repeat in different orders. And before they know it. They confused the hell out of themselves.Its awful!! Again thanks for all your hard work that goes into making amd editing your videos. #1 Coach out there!!! Tile Coach!!

@reedrobb 3 года назад

We tore out a shower pan a few years ago that must have been poured with concrete instead of deck mud over the rubber Oaty liner. After a few years it had wicked up the walls and started to destroy the framing. The single door opening swelled so bad the door would drag and the curb was cracked. What a mess in this beautiful home.

@filroy77 Год назад

Thanks for this vid. My shower is almost exactly like this. I have a bit of existing finish floor inside the pit that I have to contend with.

@russelsprouts4240 4 года назад

Good Job Ron that is some nice looking dry pac, i like it.

@sssmithforever4 3 года назад

Just curious, and maybe the follow-up tasks will show the answer... But I didn't see a the waterproof pan underneath the concrete or the drypack. What will you be relying on for the water proofing under the tile?

@joserobertoportillo9179 2 года назад

Beautiful joints in the corner 😍

@prsaye 2 года назад

Thank for the info about foam pans not used with 2" or less tile. I did not catch that anywhere else.

@1960snapper 4 года назад

After watching a few of your videos, I am now a new subscriber ! Could I please ask what the proper ratio of portland, sand, and water is to make a "dry pack mortar" for a shower base ? I am wanting to remove a tub unit and put in a tile shower. I really do enjoy watching a "perfectionist" at work, and I believe you are just that ! Thank you much !! Bill in Missouri

@joserobertoportillo9179 2 года назад

Great job in the floor 👏

@derricks3918 5 лет назад

I just want to let you know you’re a great mechanic but you don’t need to constantly talk about how awesome you are. Glad to see another mud man keeping at it.

@derricks3918 5 лет назад

Isaac Ostrom I was taught to play dumb and never talk about how good you are even when you know it. It’s easier to surprise a client with you skill then to fall short when you boast. One of these days I will post videos. What type of camera do you use ?

@derricks3918 5 лет назад

Are you a tile geek ?

@wethepeople7961 Год назад

The most important step in this process is the mixture of the mudd which you failed to provide

@nachocheezy26 4 года назад

I learn a lot from you California way is the only way

@tonyh9970 4 года назад

The only critique I'll give is regarding the denzshield. Ga Pacific requires a minimum of 1/8 in above the finished pan. That's their instructions and it voids the warranty if not done that way. It's gypsum(drywall) with a waterproof coating on the face. If water collects at the bottom of the board it WILL wick up the wall. I'm rebuilding a shower right now because mold was growing on the adjacent b/r wall. After a month of no use, I could form the denzshield into a ball, like wet clay. I never use that product. Even with cement backer, I leave a small gap. If done right, liquid membranes are an added benefit but if it fails, the shower is still fine. The floor looks good for sure

@tonyh9970 4 года назад

@@TileCoach I get that, in theory, it won't leak but if the membrane fails the shower fails. I would think that if everything was installed properly then if the membrane fails, the shower would still work as it's supposed to. I just watched your video on the 8000 sq ft grocery store. It failed due to a gypsum based product getting wet. I get that the floor wasn't "sealed" but it shows that all products have the potential to fail. I think that you do a great job but I also think that those details matter. I wish you all the best and stay safe out there.

@JR-kv6fk 5 лет назад

Great video really helped me out alot, noticed how you use both front and back edge of the box edges. Right on!!

@Jdakota 3 года назад

Damit!! I just purchased my Dewalt laser level thinking it was required in California? 🧐😂. I’ll have to return it.

@jimilormand9242 5 лет назад

hey,,,I lived in California five times as my Dad was career Navy then Army,,,so I can learn from your skills and abilities,,, I have studied methods and ways my entire life,,,and still learn new ways,,, I never did a walk in shower,,but have one to do at FraggleRock5243,,, my own project start to finish after the excavation...foundation,, basement and chimney,,it has been just me,,, and in Winter,,I wait for Spring,,, watching videos,, and pretending,,, Thanks for sharing

@javiersaavedra41 5 лет назад

Was very good video I have a question how much cost a shower of this size includes demo materials and finish the job?

@FixthisCD 5 лет назад

Very cool. one day I will attempt this

@Shodden Год назад

HERETIC! THE CLEANSING FIRE!

@tylershort9312 5 лет назад

I’ve almost finished my trade 4th year tiling, I’m 6ft 7 and from Australia lol

@eco_guardian 3 года назад

And your last name is 'short' - Aussies are so hot!!

@armandorodriguez146 5 лет назад

Isaac great video always learning from you

@7colliemac Год назад

Perfect job.. 👍🏼

@mcsmama 2 года назад

Watching this video just for fun (clearly I am not part of the profession)... So I feel really dense & like I totally missed something huge but, after all this beautiful work, where is the drain??? edit: Never mind... I watched a line drain installation video... got it! [11.16.21]

@1978bayouc 10 месяцев назад

I just ripped out our cracked shower pan. It was supported by mud bed that slopes away from drain by an inch. Can you add dry mortar around it to build it back up to level than add foam pan?

@Rayram555 5 лет назад

I enjoy your videos . You are a great tradesman. You have honed your skills. Thank You.

@charlieconustedes9969 5 лет назад

Northern Cali foothills here chiming in! 18 years in the trade /Mud over foam all day! And yes I don’t care what anyone is doing outside of California 😂😂 don’t get triggered foam guys

@brandonevans3467 5 лет назад

you might have addressed the question before but do you use 4to1, laticrete 209, sand topping mix?

@hots4jc 2 года назад

Could you mark the wall a 1/4” every foot so you would know not to build up your deck mud past that mark and then double check with the level? It wouldn’t take as long. I don’t know. Love your videos! Oops you said that 5 minutes after I wrote that comment.

@ejn967 Год назад

Great video but curious why you didnt use the foam support that goes under the Kerdi-Line drain?

@Thenoisyassasin 5 лет назад

It’s always the guys name Steve that takes your straight edges

@danielswart8855 Год назад

Can you dry pack on top of tile? Do you have a video about that? Love your videos.

@DRopout1943 4 года назад

Top notch dry packing 👍

@joshywashy3631 5 лет назад

Trust in the bubble

@craz0boy 5 лет назад

Them are fighting words 😂

@knockoutcustoms7477 3 года назад

Pro tip.....levels also make great screeds😏

@2brokenwings73 2 года назад

It's really water we're trusting but yeah understood..... When things aren't square and plum every everything's off including your life, if very thing aint square in plum.

@tilehelperdan 5 лет назад

Now that is some pretty mud brother. Nice fine sand and an almost fluffy consistency out of the bucket. Some of the bagged shit is like pulling pea gravel. Are you exclusively using kerdi now? I like the sheet membranes well enough but can't get passed the thought that scratching out a bleeder on the pan could cause a leak.

@slee00316 2 года назад

I am always curious how does dry pack dry? I mean does it get harden like regular wet concrete or does it just stay like a sand?

@davegordon6943 Год назад

Gets hard

@rone417 5 лет назад

I use hbb on the walls. But I will pack my pans. You're right if you don't know how to pack pans, you're not a tile setter. I'm 5'6😉

@Helpingmillions Год назад

If i mix up a slurry will it bond to modified thinset

@heribertolgonzalez4985 4 года назад

Nice work you do right.

@ematz9233 2 года назад

Nice vid!! Can you make a video how to correctly mix dry pack?

@nitro7726 3 года назад

great video. very informative.

@jeffschiefelbein225 Год назад

What is typically the goal thickness of the perimeter?

@jakejacobs4004 5 лет назад

Born and raised in California's central valley, currently installing tile in South Dakota. I havent seen another installer use mud besides myself. Must be a California thing. Ha

@nee-grow 5 лет назад

won't water pool at the corners where the drain sits? They can't really be angled towards the drain either because that would make the tile sit crooked? Or do you slope that at about an inch also and just deal with the tile looking angled?

@algreen1979 Год назад

I pack it the same way too.....I been using amerix mortar....I'm gonna try using the deck mud, it looks easier to shape.

@mikegomez5796 2 года назад

Can u do a video on cracked motor and what to do if need to repair

@ozupgrades6337 4 года назад

No need for lathe?

@moi984 3 года назад

Perfect!! That you worry about the bad comments says a lot about your personality. You're a perfectionist!! But you know what, a lot of people wish they could find dedicated men like you. Greetings from Amsterdam Ps: how do you solve the tileing on the small sides of the drain?

@gcn7589 3 года назад

If its a concrete floor should a sheet of floor membrane be put down before floating the pan?? Thanks

@LP_1246 5 лет назад

Nice job and good verbal instructions 4 diyers

@emmanuelespinoza8950 4 года назад

Is the mud flush with the edge of drain?

@nitro7726 3 года назад

what is the reason for not laying down foam? is it harder to do or does it literally just involve gluing down a sheet of foam board?

@willhere8892 5 лет назад

Denshield is already waterproof, why kerdi all the way up? Denshield alone with kerdi band on the seams wouldn't be good enough?

@Teachingvideo2024 3 года назад

Great job hey i need to know how to do the curb shower and if i can put board inside edge and if i can nail it on top?

@allengilby3054 5 лет назад

I’ve always wanted a set of box edges.

@petermason7743 2 года назад

Do you, should you put a membrane such as Sika 107 under the mud base ?

@augustosouza9711 2 года назад

excellent job! What kind of material did you use to make this flooring?

@brobaiter9158 5 лет назад

I've been a tile setter for about 16 years now and I have just recently had to become a specialist with certifications and Specialty licensing to continue with my contractor's license do you guys have that in California?

@kevinoneill5183 Год назад

what kind of dry pack do you use ?

@Cormack88 4 года назад

Question. Can i use (CUSTOM LevelQuik Primer acrylic latex) on slab on grade rather than doing a slurry coat in preparation for drypack installation?

@kaikaimeha2027 3 года назад

Californians are better at everything! No matter what the haters say... 🤣😂😅

@averyserrano3242 3 года назад

How many bags did you use to finish the pan!!!😎

@luisy214 3 года назад

This is a question I need answered too! 😬

@averyserrano3242 3 года назад

It’s probably like around 4 or 5 bags. But 5 bags

@sharongoris2940 4 года назад

How do you take out the shower floor and put it in and I'm a woman need help I took out the walls already help me

@boulengerochromis Год назад

How much of a slope do you make and what water/mud mix ratio?

@jasonvogel6142 3 года назад

Dry pack looks just too dry. How is there even enough water for the mix to bond well enough to become a slab? I understand it is easy to work with, but it still just looks like barely moist sand.

@trabajadoraenconstruccionu739 5 лет назад

Good job!

@trabajadoraenconstruccionu739 5 лет назад

@@TileCoach keep it up!

@fatboyfatboy8937 4 года назад

I have a rigid 7 inch tile saw and it cuts all my 24 inch rip cuts 1/8 apart what saw you recommend (not too expensive ) or is there a fix ? Thanks isaac I been tiling for year but never really learned till I payed attention your your channel thanks 🙏

@fatboyfatboy8937 4 года назад

Thanks for the reply i was thinking of that one for a bit and now that you recommend it I will get it 👍🏼

@588158 5 лет назад

are you using mason sand or sharp sand? it looks to smooth for sharp sand.

@jcs5790 5 лет назад

Exactly. Nowhere seems to specify which sand to use, only "sand".

@juliopenagos7969 3 года назад

Is the process the same if the subfloor is plywood?

@steveodean9128 5 лет назад

Love your videos, they have been a lot of help to me. Is deck mud the same as sand topping mix?

@askthisoldtileman5401 5 лет назад

Isaac you remind me of my younger days. Try to do things buy the book .and take pride in what you do. Hey buy the way have you use I believe it call mixer bucket,it’s like a agar. I sold my 2 steel mixing pans one lg. And small one. Never go back it’s awesome. Love the mud work. It’s the only way. If I ever get to go to California.i will look you and play around of golf. I see you were a Titleist have. Not a great player but love the game,I shoot 80 to 85. Keep up the good work.

@Apexjasonmorganllc 3 года назад

Hey old tile man how you been?