I bought the SuperSport 939 S, and have no regrets. I was charmed by the new CBR1000 RR SP after a track test ride, but the ducati salesman promised a track test for the new V4S. A couple of my track friends bought the new V4S, and both gave glowing report. Ducatis are getting to be more reliable than previously. You have to own one, to appreciate it.
Yes is true. But it is like saying a Honda civic (fast and the furious) is more reliable than a Lambo. Or that an SUV is cheaper to maintain than a rocket ship. They are really in a different category. The feeling of riding a Ducati and the sound is so different. Harley riders will never compare a Harley with a Gixxer. It is a completely different experience. I have owned 8 motorcycles, but I am glad I bought a Ducati Supersport 950s before I turned 50. Man that is by far the best bike I have ever ridden. It is not only fast, but its handling and steering feel like telepathy. The bike reads your mind and does what you are thinking. It feels like you are skiing down the highway. Every move and every gesture you make - the bike picks up on. It is just feels like a very obedient and subservient Margot Robbie.
A ducati is a ducati !!! you can not compare it with other bikes. You love it, or hate it, with nothing in between! The torque, the sound, the power is absolute unique. I was riding the SS for a whole day on a handling track in Italy. Unbelievable!!! Thats my next bike without any doubt!!!
Eh, I've owned a Supersport S for two years now, and I test rode the 899. They're extremely similar, the biggest difference I noticed is the riding position.
The interesting is where and when you get your Hp/Torque and I believe the Ducati twin engine delivers it faster at lower revs makes it a fun street bike.
Stupid comparison, the Duc is a laid back sports bike which no doubt is lighter and handles far better than the Kaw. The Kawasaki is more of an over the road bike, a Multistrada would be a better comparison to the Kaw.
Yes, Ducati are not reliable. But they just look and ride great. Given that I ride on roads 99% and on racetrack 1%, I need to ride within speed limits. Ducati also has that flat torque so it feels great and that max torque is actually where you need it and use it daily.
I definitely wouldn’t want cruise control, don’t like it on my car let alone a motorcycle, infact I’m not bothered about any modern electronics , I’m old school I’ve anti wheelie and launch control in my wrist , all this shite just knocks the price up and more to go wrong , but what do I no , only been riding for 40 odd yrs. cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧
Kris-B-Crunch ! And? Thats 35 more hp! And more torque... Funny when people talk about this! When I upgraded my supra to have 20 more hp i felt the difference! Same weight! And thats a car! 3500lbs and 20 hp are noticeable! So 54 lbs on a bike with 35 more hp is still way better!
I just bought the Ducati Supersport 950S and it is the 9th motorcycle I have owned. It is by far the best. I missed the rumble of the Ducati engine. I ride on this bike for 5 seconds and I get a smile on my face like I just had a baby. Never felt so connected to anything or anyone as I feel connected to this.
I'm in the market for a sports touring bike so this is a great review and really helpful. If Kawasaki added cruise control, heated grips and TFT display it would still cost less than the Ducati S model and an absolute home run bike that I would buy in a heartbeat. Thanks for doing this comparison!
There is a reason for the price diff, it’s called quality. Break it down part by part and you will understand. 113HP, handles incredibly well and holds its value. Ride them side by side and you will get it. Balance trumps HP all day long
Depends how far you want to travel, i rode 1600 km in a week with my Daytona 675 3 years ago, 2 weeks ago i did the same trip with trip with my second bike, a cbr1100xx blackbird. Quite a big difference on how many breaks i had to take, how fresh i felt upon arrival and the time it took getting there. The first 800km was more than 3 hours faster on the Blackbird, much more comfortable and better windprotection. Didn't stop for more than gas and a fast snack.
Hello there good people of youtube, since you all seem very helpfull and ready to aid i was wondering which one of the 2 you might recommend. I currently ride a Honda X11 ( naked blackbird) ? thanks in advance
With so much attention these days drawn to the categories of Nakeds, Supersports or Tourers (to say nothing of dirt, adv, cruisers etc) I for one am simply glad that manufacturers still recognise that there are a lot of us (dozens!) that want it all! A road bike that handles well, has grunt and a fairing but with ergo's that make touring a joy. Viva la Sport Tourer
+rgd1977 No, that isn't bad. I nearly bought a used 1000 Monster because it had a two valve engine. I figured it would be easier to adjust. It was a 2007 model.
Yeah, the technical part doest bother me much just that i'm gonna need a software to access the onboard computer to turn off the Service icon on the dash which of course only Ducati has the software to do so.
i watched this YT and other and decided to buy the Ninja1000SX 2020 but its quite a heavy motorcycle.... maybe my next will be a supersport 950S with the dual akrapovic exhaust or a 899 panigale... well keep dreaming for now :D
How does it not have Character? Have you taken one out for a spin? All Jap bikes? Have you tried the R1 or FZ10 with the cross plane motor? LOTS OF CHARACTER! Plus, Jap Bikes don't break down and leak oil for unknown reasons. Lots to consider when buying an Italian bike. Only Italian Bike I will probably ever own will be a Tuono.
fred: I agree, and I own one (2017 model). There's a lot to like about the bike; it is reliable, looks good and has good electronics, etc. But it doesn't really have any personality. It's too sterile, too clean. I'm most likely selling mine and buying something else. Maybe a Vulcan S. Only engine config I haven't owned yet is parallell twin and V4 (and 6 cylinder, but they're so rare). I've owned a Hayabusa, so nothing else will ever excite me again in the performance department (had to sell it because my wrists are fucked up). So I'll have to look at other things, like sound and general "feel" of the bike. The Z1000SX has no sound to speak of. And to rectify that you have to strip the whole bloody exhaust and slap on a full aftermarket one. The damn silencer box under the frame takes away anything resembling sound, so it doesn't do much when you change just the muffler. And, this may be because my previous bike was a 190ish hp 1300cc space rocket (GSX-R 1300), but I find the Z1000SX really sluggish and not very exciting. That said, it has plenty of torque all through the rev range, which is great for touring. But they really should have given that bike more than 142 horses; certainly considering the high price of the bike. 160-170 would probably have made a good difference, and put it more around the Yamaha MT-10 performance level. I do not agree with your general statement about all jap bikes and cars though. I also own a second bike; a Suzuki DR-Z 400. I adore that bike, I find it loads more fun than the Z1000SX and will choose that one maybe 8 out of 10 times when I'm going for a ride. It's not fast, it's not pretty, but I can beat the hell out of it and it doesn't complain, and I can ride it absolutely anywhere, from the highway to mountain trails to tractor roads (running 50/50 tires on it). Pretty sad about the Z1000SX. I spent months figuring out which bike I wanted, and unfortunately I chose wrong.
Apparently no one reviews at night. You mentioned Kawasaki speedo is hard to read!? Try to read the white tipped tach needle in front of the white lines the same size as the white tach tip and white numbers! Sure at cruising, but who cares then? Give it the beans and you cannot find it!!!
"Quite a few alternatives" I struggle to find anything else than these two and GSX 1000 F in this area. Maybe the VFR800 too. Is there anything else really?
GSX S1000F VFR800 - I think it may be discontinued, but they're easy to get cheap VFR1200- Discontinued Ducati Supersport Ninja 1000/ SX MV agusta Stradale 800 KTM- superduke GT Motus MST BMW-R1200 RS If you want something a little more roomy, but still a little sporty I guess you can choose the BMW S1000XR or Ducati Multistrada..
The Kawasaki Z1000SX absolutely owns the Ducati. It fucking owns it! The marketing department at Ducati have gotten too greedy for their own good. This generation of SuperSport is fucking terrible. The SuperSport from the 1990's were a standard.......this supersport is shit. Ducati wanting to extract money from people after a sexy bike. The Z1000SX kills the Ducati in every sense. Just my opinion just like The Bike Show gives us their lame arse opinion.
Made a testdrive on the Duc today.What a dissapointement.I drove R1 from 1999-2008.Than 7 years no bike.In 2015 I bought a Versys 1000 2015 and love to drive it(I got 40 this year)😤When I got on the SS,it felt even more extreme than my last R1 from 2008.I don't know why every reviewer is speaking about comfort and suitable for long trips??!!but not for me thanks!Pfft,Versys 1000 for me all the way than, it's ugly,I know, but when speaking about taking corners for example, the SS doen't even come close to a Versys......,ok when it comes to looks......
No. Kawa puts out 0,60 hp pr kg and 111 Nm of torque - Ducati puts out 0,53 hp pr kg and 96,7 Nm of torque. Quite the difference. Still, I'm sure the Ducati is fun to ride, but I'd still take the Kawa (I actually own a 2017 model). I will say that the Ducati is a bit sexier though, and has better sound stock. Edit: and the engine on the Kawa is about 100 cc's bigger.
I've got a 2013, the complaints are, balance, you don't feel in the bike, you feel too high and separated. Worst stock seat ever designed, Mustang seats are the way to go. Stock seat will have you heading home after 45mins. The power is manageable and the balance is great for slow maneuvers. BUT, don't get comfortable with the power, because she can get wild! You can break loose the back tire with a full hand of throttle at 120, and it will loop out VERY EASY from a stand still. I also feel sometimes the delivery can be a bit abrupt. But mostly incredibly smooth, but its hooligan nature will entice you to blowing away all those Dodge Chargers that seem to stalk you! Got a couple Vettes too!!
Ich liebe zwar meine Vara, aber ich bin davor Sporttourer gefahren. Ich finde die Duc echt hübsch. Nur auf rot stehe ich nicht. Aber das ist ja wie immer geschmackssache.
Another omission from the N1K: 336 watts of charging. That's not enough to add much of anything to the electronics of the bike. People whined about gen-1 FZ1 for having lame charging power and it had a decent amount MORE than this.
Love the z1000sx, absolutely love it. The missus doesn't though. The handles are too low to hang on. Lots of other reviews say the same. Great bike for touring as long as it's not two up
On the basis of being only able to afford one bike and I that like my bikes to run and keep running, I'd go for the Kawasaki. If I was rich I'd go for the Ducati, in fact, I'd buy two. That way I could keep riding, while the other one was in the shop being mended.
Why the hell, you compare two bikes and say that the downsides of one of them are lack if A, B and C and completely ignore that the other one does not have A, B and C as well? What kind of comparison is that?
I own a Triumph st 955i and a Kawasaki 2016 Z1000sx, the people I ride with after 3 to 4 hours on there sports bikes want to go home they are sore wanting to stop to get off there bikes swap and ride my bike they don't enjoy the same ride as I do due to the unconfutable riding positions lol funny thing is the kwaka can keep up and pull away from the slightly older bikes . Love my z1000sx cost was less than every thing in its class.
Good video, but they don't explain the major difference between these two ducati and kawasaki. What about agility in close corners? I have a 2017 z1000 sx and she is a little lazy in close corners. That's the only bad thing I can say about her, the rest is absolutely brilliant. But if new 2021 ducati have enough agility to win to my kawasaki in these close corners, I would think about changing. Someone could say something about this? Thanks and enjoy your ride!
the supersport is the bike for ppl who are not obsessed with numbers and just want a damn good bike (good looking too). 113 it's plenty for the average user, unless you're a track addict. Also, while the extra 25bhp kept being mentioned, apparently the extra 25kg were omitted from the debate.
Heated grips aren't expensive either. My 2017 Z1000SX came with heated grips from the dealer. Didn't pay much for it. Grips are much better too than the standard ones, which are a bit skinny. Cruise control is an entirely different matter though. And considering what the bike costs, it really should be included.
You can get heatgrips from Kawasaki for the Z1000SX as well and there was Öhlins suspension for 2014 modell too, so expect to get a 2017 modell Öhlins as well in the future. For the price difference you can get everything the Ducati has but the Kawasaki not from aftermarket.
The point is that a Ducati just feels like a superior product. In the vicinity of a Lambo or Ferrari. Kawasaki is great, but somehow I have always felt a stronger connection to Italian bikes. The rumble of a Ducati is just poetry. I keep my Ducati in my living room. I look at it damn all day.
HBY hahaha! Thats funny! I own a z900 and a track specific full race fairings gxsr 750... perhaps you should apply your comments to yourself... you should come and ride with my buddy and his bussa! Hahaha
@@RobertOrtiz1015 Stop lying, you know you don't track. Your dream bike is probably a H2. Any trackday rider can tell by the way you respond to everyone of my statements that you don't prioritize weight and handling over top speed hence that's why you think the hayabusa is a good bike. The hayabusa is trash for cornering junkies - decent for touring and great for highways but it is on the low end of bikes most people want for the twisties. Maybe I'm wrong and your friend is one of the faster advance group riders that for some dumb reason decided to ride a porky ass hayabusa as their street bike. I track all year round and i have yet to see a hayabusa in advance group. I don't even think they have B group riders using the hayabusa on the track at least not in any of the trackdays in north california. Z900 is a great bike, reminds me of my dragster rr but that thing got annoying for long rides on the freeways pass 85mph. Honestly if you do track, you don't sound like it, you sound like the people that 650ib have on his channel. Nothing wrong with that (mad respect for them) but we aren't the same breed of riders. That is why my conclusion is you don't understand why weight is the winner for cornering and if you do track you wouldn't try to shoot down my statement like that.
HBY hahaha! Its all good bro... i font have to convince you or anyone! You should come to Las Vegas and track with us here... you will even see harleys on the track ... i do track and my fifth bike is a track only bike... maybe not as much as you claim tho! Hahaha... you definitely are a better rider than me if you are crying about 40 lbs extra even tho you have 35 extra hp... Great thing you talk about track bikes on a video of bikes that have nothing to do with tracks
For me riding a bike means just enjoying the corners on a mountain road... Kawasaki is not a match of a sweet handling Ducati... So for me kawa is no go...it is like a fast motorway cruiser with your old lady
Beauty is in the eyes of the Beer Holder, Boz! It certainly is polarizing. I love the thing, but I can certainly see why many do not share my feelings. I have not ridden the 1290, but i have ridden the 1190, and oh what a machine it is. I could ride ugly when ugly rides this well!
I agree with the cruise control part. It is one of those things that, once you use it, cant live without it. Do a 1000 mile road trip in a day with one and without one. You'll know what i am talking abt. And these days even superbikes have it. So on a sport tourer, it is absolutely necessary.
I have done 200 miles on a Ducati Supersport 950 S. And I have done 1300 mile days on BMWs. The Ducati ain't no sport tourer. Anything more than 200 miles, I am missing my BMW.
I was looking at both these bikes, thought the Ducati Sport was my dream bike. Until the more I learned the less I liked. The Ducati is a parts bin bike with an ugly rear end seriously lacking in HP. Ducati this bike is an epic failure in an attempt to bring everyone to your table you embarrassed yourself. I ended up getting a ZX14R SE for anyone wondering and loving every minute of it.
It really is not a parts bin bike. Ducati doesn't really do parts bin bikes today. They have platforms. Usually a bigger and smaller motor size defines the platform. This allows them to have a much more reliable bike. A lot of manufactures are switching to this way of doing things. It's a much smarter way of building a bike. You start with a base platform and make additions to make the bike unique. One, unique feature to the SuperSport is the fairings. They are designed to fit really tight to each other, have very clean lines and NO visible fasteners with the matched color so it looks like one flowing piece. But at the end of the day you looked at 2 bikes that aren't even comparable.
Donovan Lewis no offense but you just said Ducati doesn't do parts bins bikes anymore but they just use stuff from other bikes. That is what a parts bin bike is. The only reason you wouldn't consider these bikes comparable is because you don't like that this crappy Ducati bike got destroyed in this comparison. I can throw some ohlins on a piece of crap bike and it will still be a piece of crap bike. I thought this was my dream bike but I learned all about it and it sucks. Ducati made a poor decision with this bike. Hopefully they will upgrade it and make it the way they should have in the 1st place.
I watched countless videos checked forums on this bike I really wanted to buy it. When I learned all about it I was very disappointed. You have videos on your channel so I figured you owned it maybe not. Since you wanted to defend it, I wanted to see if you could tell me something I don't know or something from your experience. If you can't than why are you wasting my time on here commenting to my comments?
I've ridden it and, if it weren't for me not ready to sell my Monster, I'd own it. I don't know what makes you think it's a parts bin bike. It's design and look are unique and ergonomics feel different than any other Ducati they make. All manufacturers make bikes that share motors and other major components such as suspension and brakes. All you have to do is compare various components across different bikes of the same maker to see this. What other things did you learn that made it such a bad bike? Personally, the power delivery was smooth during take off then fast and hard when I cranked on the throttle; I like that. It was also very light and had a smooth ride, which is great on longer trips with winding roads. This made up for its shorter HP. Most riders won't really be able to use the additional 25 HP in the Z, anyway, and in that respect, agility is what makes for a better bike, IMO. Also, they didn't compare weight and distribution, which makes or breaks a bike's feel. The SS does have it's quirks: rougher shift than a Japanese bike and shaky mirrors, but I've ridden Ducati long enough and have adapted. If you went from a SS to a big, heavy, and HP packed zx14 then it's probably that the SS didn't offer what you wanted in a bike, not that the SS was a bad or inferior bike. It just wasn't the bike for you. I'm not being bias in my review; I owned Japanese for way longer than I've owned Duc and appreciate and respect Japanese engineering. I still own a Honda, in fact.
