DUNE MESSIAH - REVIEW 

61 billion souls sent straight to paradise by the Chadishah Emperor himself.

The navigators, the floaty fish man breathing spice, are humans. Just a unique breeding of humans subject to extreme amounts of spice. A running thing through the Dune books is the extent that humanity can be pushed to. Bene Gesserit and their training and breeding programs producing Paul is one of those, but the first book has the Mentat, the spacing guild is another, and the shape shifters are the Bene tailax are another.

The ending of this book is one my favorites in any media ever, Paul basically becomes what Messiahs of our world are: Myths which fate itself is unclear and left ambiguous for religious veneration

One of my favourite things about the Dune fandom is how everyone basically has their own pronunciation of names and weird shit Herbert made up. Even the movies can’t agree on it. 🤣

My favorite part of the book was when Paul started to compare himself to Gengish & Hitler. The fact that he felt somewhat sympathy for those tyrants before him was a mind-blowing thing to read but just goes to show how tragic his ascension to power was

Can't wait until you finish book 4 it's my favorite along with the first

I finished this book in just a few days, I was hooked from start to finish. It felt more like an epilogue and wasn't as grand or "epic" as the first one, but I loved it regardless. The stone burner scene was super intense, and I loved the ending so much. I saw Paul as a slave to his prescience and upbringing, and his dependency on it was way too much for any person to handle, and it took its toll, it brought him down a really dark path. That's why I love the ending, where he gives up the prescience, and ventures out into the desert alone. He's blind, has nothing left, but he's finally free from everything, and I'm assuming it's the best he's ever felt in a really long time. Power corrupted him, and being brought down to "just a man" out on the desert was something he happily accepted. Whether he lives or dies out there doesn't matter, his Jihad left its mark and his name will forever be etched into humanity's history. It's such a beautiful end to Paul's character arc, and I can't wait to see it adapted, and I'm curious how people will react to it. Gonna take a small break then going onto Children of Dune, I'm not as hyped to read this one if I'm honest since I was really invested in Paul's story, but I'll give it a chance. At the very least I want to finish the books that Frank Herbert wrote, I'm not sure if I would want to continue on with what his son wrote after hearing about some of the stuff that was changed, like the butlerian juhad being an actual evil AI terminator threat instead On a side note I wonder if Eren Jager was inspired by Paul, there's so many similarities it's crazy. The visions, the genocide, wanting to be free. All that

I find Herbert's descriptions of the religious bureaucracy that has built around Paul completely fascinating.. Most of which isnt actively being pushed by him.. but rather alia and the Qizarate.

I think a lot of people who praise Villeneuve's change to Chani in part 2 have never read Dune and/or Dune Messiah. They apply this modern atheistic thinking to Arrakis as though they have universities and colleges where ideas can be discussed, but it's not like that at all. It's basically feudalism in space, if you look at the toughest places on Earth they are all majorly religious and people do not have time to philosophize or debate ideas, freedom of speech etc like in the west. Arrakis is hardcore, but I feel the screenwrites and Villeneuve wanted so bad to reflect current times so hard so as to not lose the audience.... If Chani bowed down at the end against all her own feelings and issues if the prophecy I would've loved the movie so much more. Just that single act has changed the events of Messiah so much so I think part 3 is going to be 50% completely made up BS and more popcorn action scenes, fighting in space... They're taking one of the most philosophical fictional sagas ever written and misconstrued it to "Colonizers bad, Indigenous people good" "Paul bad, Chani good" removing all the nuance in the books and reducing it to caricature action movie. Got the book totally wrong.

The author wrote this book because fans took the first one at face value and he really wanted to drive the message home. This is also probably why Tolkien didn't like Dune, because it warns against messiah figures while LOTR embraces them.

@RealLifeRyan Edric was a Spacing Guild navigator. He was human and wasn't just sitting there "getting high" off the spice, navigators are so addicted to and mutated by it that they literally need to live in tanks full of concentrated spice gas. These mutations and super concentrations of spice are what give them the abilities to predict (with prescience like Paul, but not as capable) a safe path through folded space. These abilities are also mostly why he was included in the meeting, his abilities create a kind of shroud around him that keeps other prescient people (like Paul) from being able to "see" the meeting and people involved, He was a high ranking member of the guild but his inclusion in the conspiracy was just as a shield to hide the other people so Paul couldn't use his prescience to find them out.

Im particulary curious seeing the navigator in the next movie. It has the potential to look extremely disturbing and memorable.

wait until you get to GOD EMPEROR and he doesnt die

Currently the last book I read before I took a brief break to read another book series I started. Seeing this is fun as I get to see someone else's thoughts on the book to see what matches mine.

Loved Dune Messiah and love seeing your enthusiasm for Dune! All the characters in Dune are human, there are no aliens. Keep going and prepare yourself for much more weirdness and unexpected turns .

I am so glad your experiencing dune bro I love your channel please keep reading !!!

Excellent recap Ryan! Makes me want to reread the book again!

I am about to start book 1 I am very excited, however it is taking ages for them to deliver it because it's delayed..

Fish man is one of many Spacing Guild Navigators. They consume spice to look into the future and plot a safe way through space. In Denis movie Chani is going to be Paul’s enemy. Idaho is not returning as a gholem or at all. No Mentants. No Spacing Guild or Navigators? No Face Dancers. No return of the Baron through Alia’s past memory exploration. It is going to be woke girl boss Denis Dune 3. Before Paul goes into the Desert he kills his mother Jessica.

You’re burning right through these books, I know God Emperor is the meme one but I’m actually most interested to hear your thoughts on Children of Dune. Also, I watched the Lynch Dune after reading the first book but before reading Dune Messiah…I immediately imagined Edric as being just like he was in the film because of that. Also I visualized the dwarf as The Arm from Twin Peaks because of that Lynch connection….

Even though it's tiny compared to the first book. Messiah is glacially slow. You get about 2/3 of the way through and you realize it's just been endless scenes of people talking in different rooms. Then all of a sudden it's pandemonium. lol

I know this means very little because you don’t know me. I just wanted to say that I really hope RU-vid starts treating you more fairly. I admit I only watch the vids I’m interested in (I’m not an anime, manga fan). Or I should say I haven’t given it a chance. But the videos I watch from you are always full of passion, I really like hearingg your takes…the amount and effort you put into things is awesome to see, but makes me feel for you because the amount of stuff you release is crazy, the hustle from you is beyond impressive. I really think your retrospectives are the key for a more consistent view count. I love them, and I can see a lot of people do! I’d love to see more from other genres, but horror ,slasher are great! Thank you for all your effort

Denis Dune 3 is girl boss brings down Paul. “ He is not of the Desert.” Total re-write except a few points. No offspring, so another Director couldn’t do Children of Dune and continue all 6 Frank Herbert’s books.

Great stuff. Thank you!

The book felt short enough that it could have been part of Dune, like this could have been the fourth section of the first book.

I don’t plan on reading any dune books, but I will watch and like Ryan’s videos about them. Gimme them tldrs

Glad to hear and see so much appreciation for Dune Messiah. I had literally devoured it, not just because of it being shorter, but because I was really fascinated by Paul's character journey, the plot with all the scheming, and the commentary on power and faith. I believe you should also like Children of Dune and definitely God Emperor of Dune.

You are not wrong to be confused about the navigators. In the first Dune books there are two navigators in the Emperor's entourage, there only unique trait is that their eyes are more blue than Fremen eyes. Obviously, Edric is portrayed quite differently, but is still human. One of several retcons that occur across the first 3 books.

Finished the first, found the first 3 for $15, reading Messiah now. Super into it already, with the conspiracy scene in the beginning

Hey man sorry for coming into another comment section but can you continue the one piece reviews? i really liked them and was looking forward to hear about it

I really like that Dracula is in this video.

He’s a guild navigator

No chani died cuz she started taking spice remember in the fremen ritual not from Irulan poison.

I enjoyed Messiah, but it's not a patch on the original.

I knew you were reading it!

Children of Dune is my favorite so far. I think you're gonna like it more than Messiah. xD

Enjoyed the book as well. Heard Messiah was considered a low point in the series. If that is the case then I am excited to keep reading. Good recap.

Damn this book is crazy, theme wise.

I totally agree with what you said how it would be a movie it is very dragging and I found it boring since I like more action

It definitely sounds like a very interesting story, so the next book doesn’t even follow Paul anymore? So this is really a massive story spanning many lifetimes.

18:34 well, about that...

I haven't read it. But I can't miss your video

This was written ten years before Star Wars.

❤

Frank Herbert is god tier. I love his series the most. It’s a bummer the his son Brian, finished the story with two book. It fell off so much that I felt a bit ill after finishing. I wish they can make a anime of Frank’s work. 🤗

Movie ain't even out yet

3:56 People keep saying that word in reviews, but what does that mean? No one actually says what it means, is it just a title? I can’t even spell it but I don’t even know what you’re saying.

We finished at the same time. Pause. Good review

Please read Children of Dune the next novel.

The way the stone burner scene was described was so cool. Can’t wait to see how they handle that in the eventual film.

I'm same as U bro makes no sense I hope Denis Villeneuve doesn't ruin this book I love this story.. I finally see Paul as he is a human being like everyone else who just wants to love n love such a tragic story of Paul and chani in worried for dune part 3

Ryan this is cutting into manga time, we’re very displeased, you could have read Worlds End Harem Fantasia, just think about that.

Yo, I have 40-yr old news for you... there's another book that will solve about 150% of you'd doubts: Children of Dune. Honestly, you really, really, REALLY, should read the book again, then, read Children of Dune, then see this video again, and make a review of the review.... I would really like to see it.

30 seconds in!

Sounding kinda Gholaphobic bro. 😂🎉

Starwars came after this brother

Yeah, 3rd one won’t be anywhere near Messiah - it’s too impractical and with the changes he’ll have to make their own and own story except for Paul’s arc / story/ foundation. Won’t be surprised it’s called part III. Not even Messiah. Interested in seeing Scytale but feels like that’d be more in their heads than real shapeshifter. No way in hell Duncan is coming back lol

When I was a young man, after my first battle, I thought the idea of a "Jihad" was ridiculous. Nothing was holy about war, it was a nightmare. Now, that I'm the Lisan Al Gaib, I'm like a "Holy war-Sure!" I will have plenty of time to... win it and come back home to my wife. Lets send them all to paradise! They refused my ascendency! "Lisan Al Gaib!

There are zero aliens in dune zero

ah messiah the book were the protagonist failed

Dune miniseries n children of dune miniseries both adapt the first 3 books made by SciFi channel. It's pretty good. Came out 2000 and 2003.