I liked Ken's thoughts on Paul being devious even in the beginning with the non-believers. Even if partially sincere, it's easy to forget that he and Jessica are studied on these people, as well. It certainly adds a dimension to him that I hadn't even considered.
I just don’t think it’s accurate because I think they would’ve conveyed that in the moments that Paul and Jessica had in private, but even when they did have those moments in private he expressed the opposite. They only studied because they were going to a planet they had not been to and wanted to offer peace because of the father
@@samuelcroissant87712 I don’t think it’s a coincidence that in the scene prior he explains how he needs to “convince the non-believers.” I read it exactly the same! Sure Paul resents the prophecy, but he’s definitely using it in that scene to get on the good side of the nonbelievers. They think he’s genuine because of it. After a while I do think he falls in love with Chani and the Fremen but it doesn’t happen immediately. In the beginning he’s purely motivated by revenge. Paul is not cartoonishly evil but I feel people are far too forgiving of his character. And maybe that’s the point? The audience is just as susceptible to his charm as the Fremen are!
Interesting that Rogue One vs Dune 2 was a question, as both movies are shot by the same cinematographer Greig Fraser. Who also shot The Batman and The Creator. Amazing dp
amazing what people don't listen too, what they assume things are because they too busy thinking about their day, and directors are right subtlety is lost on us Americans
Nolan is great and one of the best, he always makes super ambitious movies and Villeneuve is showing that he also can. That being said, Nolan cant do a movie like Incendies or Prisioners.
1:25:10 Paul COULDN'T have been done lmao because he has basically given House Atreides/the Fremen full control of spice production Meaning he can dole out as much or as little spice to the rest of the universe as he'd like. Paul HAD to become Emperor because the Emperor would just keep sending armies to Arrakis (the Emperor has deeep pockets) [and also he wanted revenge on the Emperor too] And afterwards the Great Houses refused to acknowledge Paul's ascension. So Paul HAD to start the Holy War because the Great Houses would start sending endless armies down to Arrakis to eradicate Paul There was no way Paul could just stop at killing the Baron Harkonnen. And also 😂 this doesn't make him evil. He's following the only path that can keep his loved ones safe
It wasn't about just keeping his loved ones safe, or just about revenge. He was partly locked into taking up the role of Mahdi, even if it was a facade. He took the least bloody route he could see. 60+ billion dead by the end of it, so still pretty bad.
I walked out of this movie having to pretend i loved it because my friend i went to see it with seemed so excited at the end and i didn't want to let him down haha. and i think denis villeneuve has made some amazing movies - arrival, prisoners and blade runner 2049 specifically. but in my humble opinion dune 2 felt too rushed. it seemed to go from big moment to big moment with so much speed that there wasn't enough space to build any kind of tension or emotion. i thought the same about oppenheimer, it was good at keeping your attention in the moment because it moved so quickly but that took away from the tension/emotion/character building and other nuances. not sure if that makes sense but i wanted to share that because i was super excited about dune before it came out, when i saw the trailer for number 1 and saw denis was going to be directing it i thought wow this just might be the best sci film film ever. but its turned out to be a bit of a disappointment in my eyes. nowhere near as good as denis' other work
Myke isn’t the dune expert he thinks he is lol the amount of times he just got something flat out wrong and the rest of the panel accepted it because they thought he knows the story
idk man - their reviews are informative and entertaining, which most other podcasts have a really difficult time balancing. you can disagree w some of the takes they have - but to say they’re wrong??? relax lol
@@goob8945 nah bro I understand it perfectly the story plot is not good in my opinion… I don’t like it at all… the cinematography is phenomenal tho fahso
