Now this is combat. I would love to see behind the scene where the professional stuntmen do their fighting skill and how the male actors train for this part.
@@playerone9824 on the contrary, he was one of the strongest men in the universe. He was killed not because he was weak, but because he had the strength to stand up against the bene gesserit and defy their order. If you had read the books or watched the movie, you would know this.
Unfortunately, one of the best parts of this scene is cut in this video. At 1:57, Paul says: ''May thy knife chip and shatter.'' Feyd-Rautha, with an amused look on his face, replies: ''May _thy_ knife... chip and shatter.''
This was a legit fight. Paul was very close to die, even with his prescience. It appears that Feyd, as part of the same breeding program, inadvertently blocked Paul's abilities to see the future.
@@beerwine69 Paul definitely knew he was going to win. He already knew the outcome. The problem is the fight itself. Or maybe getting stabbed was the only way of winning.
@@bondrewdthenovel3598 there was another youtube video that's names like, 'Dune gets religion right'. Paul getting gravely injured is about as important as becoming a martyr for the Fremen fanaticism. Even if he died, the Fremen would commit their jihad nonetheless. The Johad and its subsequent Golden Path was inevitable
What happened to the weird shield things they used in the book (the weirding way??) they tried imagining it in the older movie when Sting was fighting.
yes, yes, the books... Heirs of Great Houses all receive an extensive education and training. Paul was 15 and was able to kill Jamis, a "hardened veteran", Jessica was able to subdue Stilgar ("of all the people"), why shouldn't Feyd be trained enough to be a match for Paul? Then again, it doesn't matter if Feyd would really have been a match or not, because he believed he was, The Emperor sure believed that and since Paul knew about their kinship, he must have been aware of Feyd's possible abilities. That might mean he knew he couldn't use any style of tricks from his BG training, because Feyd might expect them. So all he could use were Fremen tactics, something he had only little time to really master. (You could argue that this Feyd-Version is too soft. He cares for his pets and shows admiration for competent opponents. He almost seemed likable, but then he just had to test his new blades, didn't he?)
Why would Feyd have access to Bene Gesserit training? Paul’s training in BG techniques was illicit or at least frowned upon by the rest of the BG order. Unless the BG expressly trained him due to his status as potential father of Kwisatz Haderach then it makes no sense for him to have their training.
@@sonamtashi7706 yes, I see. Feyd's mother was BG, but I strongly assume she was not an intergral part of his upbringing, unlike Paul's or Irulan's respective mothers, who were BG and shaped their children's education. The Baron also didn't like the BG, so any influence on Feyd, if any at all, would have been conducted stealthily. But the BG would certainly have liked some sort of overview/control over the members of such an important bloodline, especially when they were growing up on Giedi Prime?
IIRC, he DID have training, near to Paul's! Remember, Jessica was supposed to have a female child. That child would have married Feyd, and their offspring would have been THE Kwisatz Haderach. Jessica loved Paul Atredies so much, she threw away 90 generations of bene gesserit plans to give Atredies a male heir! Feyd is a mirror of Paul. It makes sense, that was supposed to be the husband to Jessica's daughter, the culmination of 90 generations of bene geserit eugenics to make the Kwisatz Haderach and put an end to the Atreides and Harkonenn blood-fued, and their offspring would become Emperor, of course that the bene geserit had 100% control over. That.. is the whole point of everything that went down. Jessica had Paul, so the bene gesserit made the emperor betray Atreides and exterminate the entire bloodline!
@@dogsarebest7107 I was referring to the OP saying Feyd had BG training. Which is untrue because BG don’t train men in their arts. Jessica broke the rules by teaching Paul, she did that because she loved him & knew he’d be targeted for what he is. BG had no reason to train Feyd in their skills, given how rebellious & psychopathic he is he might have used it against them. They only needed him alive to sire the KH, they didn’t need him super trained.
Is Christopher Walken miscast here? Walken has special manner about him, frequently unhinged and steering his part by his own unique presentation. But here he's a Sovereign, a conservative playing the established, the governance, a Universe of politics, plans-within-plans... a chess match pitched against the Guild, the Witches, the houses, the Fremen wild-card... reemergence tactic of Atomics. Much contrary to parts played throughout his body of career work? Of course he took the job. I've only seen these previews. He seems he looks the part. Looking forward to this becoming a classic.
I think the idea is in the history of Dune screenplays, The Emperor Shadam was to be played by some out of left field actor choices. Look at the casting to Jodorofski’s vision of Dune. So Christopher Walken is Villieuve’s version of the joke Shadam casting. Personally, I would of gone for Gilbert Gottfried
I believe it was a miscast, said it right from day one when they announced the cast list that I didn’t believe him the right actor for the job and watching the movie proved me right.
Gotta say it, they butchered the ending. Paul drank the water of life and is a hardened veteran at this point, while Feyd's greatest win is against an already beaten slave. It should've been a one-sided fight. Chani's hastily rewritten into a scorned woman. Walken was seriously the wrong choice for the emperor. Alia is robbed of her appearance.
@jackburton7483 you do realize that the dune books will never be a 1 to 1 adaptation. Dennis villeneuve had to change the source material to actually get a three part movie, or else it would have been impossible to do. And guess what, other than a few pretentious people like yourself, everybody that I know that has read the books thinks he's done a great job with the adaptation hence why it's grossed 800 million and praised by Christopher Nolan, Steven Spielberg, and James Cameron. It has been well received by the community of people who are huge dune book fans. I think if you were an actual fan of the books, you'd be grateful for the exposure that this film has brought to the dune novels, even if it isn't a perfect novel to movie adaptation. Sure, you can have your opinion, but bear in mind that the general community of novel readers disagree with you. You wouldn't have done better, so let's not pretend you're the expert.
@komplex6081 nothing pretentious about my criticism. The movie grossed well because it was dumbed down for a wider audience. But there are outright plot holes and unnecessary changes.
In the books, Princess Irulan was his "wife" legally, but Paul Muad'Dib reserved his true love for Chani. But yes, that is another sign that Paul is not the hero of the story, and there is no hero.
Is it weird that I prefer stings Feyd Rautha? This Feyd Rautha is superior in almost all ways, both in character and by the actor. But Sting was how I imagined a crazy person as a kid, wild eyed and unhinged.
@@thejamesasher Its part of it for sure. Lynch's version completely omitts the fact that Paul's rise to a messiah is completelt manufactured, instead playing it completely straight. The rain at the end of that film basically confirms that the prophesy is real, and completely misses the point of the book. Villeneuve's version, however, makes the artificiality of the prophesy the core of the story.
I thought he was going to die because he kept saying "I'll love you for as long as I breathe". I thought the was going to stop breathing. I haven't read the books so maybe that's a spoiler up ahead with that? He said this a lot throughout the movie.
I think it was a red herring, a distraction. His breathing is very strained at the end of the fight, and I think Villeneuve intended for you to have that exact feeling
They made the emperor in this version such a pathetic husk of a person, I get it was to make Irulan look way tougher but he has none of the presence he should have. Then they made Chani this whiney person, in the books she knew exactly what was going to happen and knew it was needed, in this shes pouting all the time.
Out of context the acting in this scene looks atrocious. But I was pleasantly surprised when I actually watched the movie. Because Chalamet puts in a good overall performance as he gradually matures into a leader. The movie should have credited Rob Roy though because it definitely stole from that film for this scene.
This movie is a complete fairy tale... i can not imagine greatest fighter in the universe not having a knife on him... also how could a desert planet sustain 50M people if you cant grow food?
Yes there almost certainly is. What part did you not understand exactly? Paul claims the emperor's throne, but is not recognized by the Great Houses, so he unleashed his fanatical legions of Fremen to wage a holy war across the galaxy, bringing his visions of horror and death to reality. We are not supposed to see this as a happy ending.
En la versión de los 80s 90s se ve más lujo se ve más poder en las instalaciones del emperador la vestimenta está pobre en mi opinion la chica que hace el papel de Sean Young para nada le llega han querido catapultarla pero al.igual que en la Mary jane Watson de spiderman jamás y digo.jamas podrá superar a una pelirroja igual el iconico papel de Sting para nada podrán superarlo.en este remate de culto y el grito final partiendo el.piso.en dos hizo falta les daré un 3 por su pobre elección en los actores y actrices Paul Atreides llena mis expectativas le doy un 7 en fin es mi opinión
So lame, Paul literally couldn't get stabbed by Feyd. When he was blinded by the stone burner, he could see everything due to his prescience like he wasn't blind. His prescience was 100% when it around his person (also in the books he didn't get stabbed.) also he was the greatest fighter also with the Bene Gesserits weirding way. (Leto II was shot by Duncan with a lasgun, but he allowed that because he refused to look into the future of his death and he wanted to punish the Tlielaxu or Ixians can't remember which publicly) This film got so much wrong, was still amazing though but, they made obscene mistakes and omissions. I would stop wining about this film if Alia was born and killed the Baron, we say the navigators and Paul trained the fedaykin with the weirding way, also if we actually saw the weirding way. Whoever wrote the script for this, I'd find it impossible not to punch him in the face and or the producers or directors that made it that way. Such a waste as Dune and this sequel are the most incredible directed sci fi films since Blade Runner and Alien, I wish I saw it before reading the books, well not the first one, the first one was faultless and true to the novel.
Finally someone else mentions the weirding way. It was a pretty big deal in the book. And in the older movie the filmmakers at least tried to visualize it.
The entire fight makes little sense in the Book and the movies. Paul never struggles and is constantly shown as superhuman. Now suddenly Feyd comes along and can challenge him? Feyd never had any real fighting experiance and he is not the kwisatz haderach or even close. Herbert and the Dune series are just overrated in my eyes.
Paul was supposed to be born a girl and then this girl would marry feyd joining the 2 most powerful houses this also means that feyd has the potential to learn the voice just as Paul died but he wasn't trained like paul. The child of feyd in this situation would be the kwisatz. This was the plan the bene gesserits had but Jessica threw a huge wrench in this plan.
@@RootGaming-ui2qs potential that went nowhere as he wasnt the KH. He wasn't as trained or experianced eighter and Paul actuay is the KH. So Feyd should have been dead in seconds.
I think Villeneuve wanted to raise the stakes and avoid Mary Suing Muaddib. In the book, Paul could just use the Voice to stop Feyd. But he refuses as this isn't sporting
This fight sucked ass in the book LOL. The book barely built it up to make it seem like Feyd would be a worthy opponent, and when they finally dueled, he got his ass whooped. The moment Feyd mounted Paul and revealed his poison needle in his girdle (to make the fight possibly interesting) Paul immediately kills him. Try recycling a better take next time
@@h870 well the emperors blade was tainted with a sporific that when got in paul paul was able to change his metabolism to neutralise it, then Feyd had the hook in his outfit that worked against him. In the book Paul cannot see beyond the fight to see the outcome so it was down to the skill of the fighters. Both did not have their usual tricks to help them. The fight is a pure moment.
@@bayareaartist999 that’s a lot of word salad to explain that it wasn’t a fight, it was a one sided blowout. It sucks in the book. Feyd in general was one of the worst characters in the book. Thankfully Villeneuve recognized that and made him awesome with just a little bit of screen time