EA Canceled Plants vs. Zombies 3: What Could Have Been (Here's What Happened) 

I didn't mention this in the video, but yes, we are still working on a game. It's a brand new IP, not PvZ related but nonetheless we are still working. We don't have anything to share currently, but always check the WCHB socials for updates.

i thought regular pvz3 got cancelled, then got severely dissapointed

Hi, 3D artist for PvZ3: WCHB here. I’d like to share my theory with the viewers that PopCap shot us down out of fear because they genuinely thought we could do better based on what the game promised (aka beyond the bare minimum of having game mechanics). With that in mind, we’ve decided to do better anyway; this time, with a new IP so they can’t touch us. Be on the lookout for what we do next!

PopCap cares more about shouting down a fan game than get rid of a sexual offender. It's so embarrassing, i can't belive this is happening at all

"See? Now you respect me, because im a threat."

EA: I can't let them make an independent PVZ project! It's my "IP" to sit on and DO nothing with!

EA/Popcap seems to respect fangames even less than they respect women. That's just depressing...

EA were afraid that PvZ3 WCHB would be more loved by fans than their PvZ Gardenscapes. It's a shame that this fan game was closed 😔. If EA doesn't want fans to make PvZ fan games they should at least listen to what the PvZ community wants for the future of the franchise but they don't care at all, they just disappoint us more and more.

It’s funny how Popcap is trying to save there image with that tweet of “YoU cAn NoW cHoSe YoUr PlAnTs In PvZ3” even though it’s one of the bare fucking minimums for a pvz game and it’s not gonna make us forget that they shutdown PvZ3 wchb and have sexual harassment issues going on around the studio. What a shit show of a company

“Don’t use our characters” their characters: **sunflower with eyes** like bro you can’t be serious 💀💀💀

These Popcap responses sounds like something a AI would provide.

"I don't even know where to begin roasting this." But seriously, it's really funny how scared they were from this fangame because they are aware how bad PvZ3 is.

I miss the good ol days when triple A studios were praised for their revolutionary games, now adays though, they're hated for pumping out basic, unpolished, and just bad games, and honestly it feels like smaller studios are the ones giving us good games cause they listen to their communities and actively work to improve their games despite having a way smaller team. Just embarrassing seeing EA doing this.

they've lost their magic

They should make PvZ 3 What Could Have Been: What Could Have been 😂

The only reason I could possibly think of why they striked this fangame down but not others is because of how peak the quality is, like broo it's just Vander's art and they dropped their balls lmaoo. You know what's worst? One employee of EA planned to use AI to do the job.

Im very shocked that PopCap actually released a tweet saying YOO GUYS GES WHAT?? YIP PICK A PLANT SISHJS- Like I thought they are doing right for there fans but no this was all a lie they just did that so people wont play YOUR team's fan game, like i have seen many fangames,mods using pvz3 characters i never thought popcap JUST HAD TO TALK TO this specific fangame insted of others.I was very hyped for this game but we all have to face a reality...

And now Popcap/EA team just added basic CYS function, “Hey y’all see we are getting better.” Even if they have the legal right, the way they used it is just so unprofessional and awful even when considering from profit level. They didn’t even ask for your team’s artworks to be used in their game or else but they insist on shutting down your team’s development instead. So ridiculous. Good video!

This whole entire ordeal is so god damn ridiculous.

You see, you aren’t the only ones actually, PVZ Fangames on Roblox have all been taken down for use of the IP, and while historically, the IP has been allowed to have fangames using its characters and even style (stuff like eclipse just rips the assist and the like), or mods to the existing games. However, the old Roblox games such as “Garden Problem”, “PVZ: THE LAWN”, and “SUPER PVZ” to name a few, have all been taken down by demand of EA and PopCap, of which, they have since rebranded themselves away from using the PopCap assist and IP, now being allowed to flourish. I do not know when or why this has been changed, but I do believe that it does begin with the Roblox games, and I’m certain your fangame can co-exists if it chooses to design entirely unique plants than the ones PopCap had already made. A more darker thought could be that your fangame is direct competition to theirs, and so that’s why they were targeted, yet I don’t believe that the case since these Roblox games were very underground and had small communities, never all that popular except for the ones who wanted PVZ games in Roblox, have been taken down at some point in time, so it could be that they really did just changed that thought process.

Pop Cap wants your team to do unique pvz game without zombies , peashooters , sunflowers , Crazy Dave ?! What ?! Have they gone insane ? PvZ game without them is no longer pvz fan game ...

Popcap try not to ruin their reputation challenge.

EA should honestly apologie for this and you should continue your project regardless probably as a private project on a Discord, you can't let them treat you like this. If not try to get hired by them, your art looks 10 times better than theirs. Shame on EA.

This entire mess is just a horrible precedent that every AAA developer that I’ve seen supportive of the take down is ignoring simply to prove their point

Honestly, some exhaustingly worded messages from Popcap. Can't believe they would suggest they "support" you when they're taking down your unmonetized fan works. Really wishing you luck for the future, in a brand that DOESN'T bite back...

It's so ironic that after they said that PopCap / ea is planing to add choose your seeds😂😂

I like how there taken down fan games but they don't care about those bad pvz youtube videos for kids.

Hopefully after this video, people will repeat themselves less. There were so many of the same questions and statements to the point of being annoying. Here, everything is told. Just watch the video and that's it. Kudos to everyone who participated in the production of this video!

Why, just why? This whole thing and the way PopCap treats the PvZ community feels like a kick in the nuts. They’re shutting you down before you even get started. They´re scared that a bunch of passionate PvZ fans can create a better game that will be loved by the community before they do. And that whole thing about using their IPs… This wasn’t even going to be monetized. None of the other fan games are. And to be honest, mods are the ones keeping the franchise alive. I’ve been playing Pvz 2 mods for years now and a PvZ 3 Remade or Reimagined kind of game would’ve been the perfect addition. This is just sad. Keep it going, Project Bloom Team!

Also, i heard that a RU-vidr who posts PvZ Heroes content got into legal trouble by EA themselves, for some reason. I don't know anything specific like why? But if that's true, then at this point, EA has become like Nintendo. Also, the fact that EA just copied a pre-existing mobile game made by a different company/studios/team is just stupid. I know ideas aren't 100% original, but there's a difference between inspiration and plagiarism. EA and PopCap are committing plagiarism, in this case. Plagiarism is the act to take someone's idea and passing it down as their own. Like there was a Japanese film called Yojimbo, which ended up unofficially copied as "A fistful of dollars". Toho was aware of this and they weren't happy, so legal action took place, and A fistful of dollars's money is all lost. Inspiration involves inserting ideas from others and your own ideas to make something original, like Five Nights at Freddy's, which was made with multiple ideas from others and Scott's own ideas in order to make an original product in mind. The animatronics are inspired by Chuck E. Cheese/Showbiz Pizza animatronics. Also, since those animatronics carry an uncanny look, this fits with the them of making it a horror game. Also, Scott had a reputation of designing humans in an objectively not good way, like their designs being off, which is used to make the animatronics more uncanny than usual. Last but not least, there was his own idea being Chipper and Son's Lumber Co., which is meant to be kid-friendly, but was criticized for being unintentionally creepy with the designs of Mr. Chipper and his son, Tyke being compared with animatronics which again have an uncanny feeling. At first Scott was depressed and planned retiring from game development for good, but something clicked on his mind. He took that criticism to improve by making something intentionally creepy out of something that's unintentional. Even the idea of William Afton, the overarching villain and antagonist isn't 100% original. PJ Heywood said that William Afton's voice was based on Hannibal Lecter.

The US Copyright Office specifically states that “Copyright does not protect the idea for a game, its name or title, or the method or methods for playing it. Nor does copyright protect any idea, system, method, device, or trademark material involved in developing, merchandising, or playing a game.”

EA is stupid af thinking we the community are stealing from them like wtf is there reason for them either getting offended or take something important from them while others were left untouched (yea it is about time we leave EA intentionally to play something else)

I believe their real reasoning for this was the same reasons why the old Angry Birds games were removed, that being that the old games were more successful than Rovio’s new titles. I think that EA/Popcap is too scared that PvZ2: WCHB would’ve gotten more attention than the actual PvZ3, and they’d lose more money/attention. However, this isn’t an excuse for what they did tbh

The entire time, I was thinking about the Fnaf community. There are hundreds of Fnaf fan games that use characters from the official series, (original models of course). The only time the creator went after a fan game was when someone made "Five Nights At Freddy's 3" before the real fnaf 3 came out. This game used tons if stolen assets and characters, and confused many people, making them think it was official.

Very interesting how PopCap announced CYS for PvZ3 when it wasn’t even done after this happened.. very interesting. Great video by the way, thanks for clearing everything up properly cus I think a lot (including me) were unsure about everything.

Hello, I am a fan of Plants vs. Zombies from China. Can I repost this video to bilibili? In China, there are many fans who also like the project, but they may not see the video and have no idea what is going on. Thank you for your reply.

To quote of a certain charter from a certain train game beyond the stars. "You already know that PopCap has already deviated the harmony. But in the end, they will all end up in nihility."

When I first heard this I thought it was a troll but no and I'm really pissed off about this

Guys what if we tell this to gardenscapes to demand pvz3 LOL

Definitely singling out this project out of the thousands of PvZ fan games just because you're calling them out on their BS. Absolutely insane. I can't believe how far PopCap has fallen.

Jesus christ, how petty can they possibly be? They won't do anything about sexual allegations yet will strike down fangames because they're better? I'm calling it. Despite the unfinished tragedy that was Battle for Neighborville, I personally see it as the last hurrah of the franchise. Whatever tf PvZ3 is isn't real. Get the funeral clothes ready. I feel like Popcap is digging their own grave. PS: On the topic of those allegations, I think people are going to have to put a disclaimer for fan projects going forward. Something along the lines of "While this project is based off of the PvZ shooters, none of us endorse or support the allegations of Popcap. This project is purely for fun and does not support them in any way."

I am a pvz fan since the first game ever existed, this truly breaks my heart seeing everything going on especially the outcome.. I still wish and hope for the best of pvz even if EA/Popcap slap us alot

Did they think that the project would cause pvz3 to do worse or something?

Hey, Lawyer here, they can't legally do anything to you if your game isn't monetised.

i think popcap legally is correct, they let other projects go through cause it doesnt affect their profit margins, but pvz3 is a new game they havent get the return of investment and a fangame that is better than it threatens their profits.

This is the only fan project I've heard of them shutting down. I'm thinking it's due to PvZ3 not being fully released yet and them being worried more people would play WCHB than PvZ3, but if it released afterwards then it wouldn't be a problem.

PVZ3 ONLY 19K THIS MONTH WTF THATS BARELY ANYTHING

What's truly sad is they could have given what fans wanted and been asking for since PvZ2, make Premium Plants be plants you can get from worlds are challenges, all we wanted was a higher quality PvZ2 that had less or no buyable plants that makes the game boring or unfair to people who don't buy those plants.

This just boils my blood. The fans were making a game people actually want because they want to squeeze what's left out of PvZ3 while they refuse to do anything about the quality of the game

15:16 - 15:20 and 16:54 - 16:58: I legitimately want sources for those so bad. Both sound crazy.

You should make a game about a legally distinct zombie who REALLY likes tugboats and talks about them all the time while his boss tries to end the world for definitely NOT spite-related reasons

A bit unfortunate this happened, I did saw a couple things about PvZ3 WCHB but this sudden cancellation was more of a shocker for me. So much good concepts and Popcap (probably along with EA) had to shut it down, man

THE POOR PLANTERN IN THE THUMBNAIL

The main problem with this situation seems to be that they singled you out But I feel like in your last message to popcap you didn't really focus on that fact. To me it felt like you briefly mentioned it, then said again that you're not using their artwork (which doesn't matter since that didn't seem to be the issue with the project) and then basically insulted them (which probably killed any chance of them wanting to respond back)

This is outrageous and I can't believe this they are doing so bad they have to take down fan projects . I thought bringing a new community manager would make this better and now this is something that they can never repair

4:32 Never expected to hear a PVZ version of Dust Man’s theme from Mega Man 4

Honestly EA was better at making plants vs zombies because the thing is we know popcap is greedy because all of the good plants in pvz2 cost money when EA was in control there were never transactions another thing is the people who work at popcap must be stupid how do they turn pvz3 into a freaking puzzle game they’ve just ruined their reputation

I’m so tired of any video games being made because they forgot why they got money from their first game to begin with. Absolutely disgusted.

You can still continue with your own fangame if you don't sell it for profit. Whatever they say isn't relevent. Just take the photos and records of the conversations and you can take legal action against EA and PopCap if they try to take your fangame down. Have fun with creating your game and do it however you want.

petition to name pvz 3 [the ea one] lawnscapes

So why not just... Keep making the game? They don't have any legal grounds over this, correct? The fan game is fair use. Why should you respect popcap and EA if they haven't respected the community in years?

Fun Fact: you can play Plants Vs Zombies on the ds

HAPPY TO HELP AND SCREW EA/POPCAP!!

As a long PvZ Fan , I am heavily disappointed about what PopCap and EA did to WCHB . Honestly , EA and PopCap should just start listening to the community because PvZ 3 is HEAVILY DISAPPOINTING ! And the fact that they do not even listen to the community that KEEPS THE GAME ALIVE ! Like honestly , without the hardwork of the community ( e.g making fangames , animations , pvz mods , etc ) Plants vs Zombies would just die , and here they are , not giving any damn about the community and just being another generic and unoriginal company making PvZ3 a copy . The first time I played PvZ 3 was during its softlaunch , it was the most disappointed I have ever felt . The fact that you had to play it vertically ( thankfully it was changed to horizontally in the latest updates ) , cannot use a custom loadout , having lots of microtransactions , power-ups , and all that crap , and lastly needing wifi to play the game ( the first time I played this I required wifi but I was out of my home ) , it was just disappointing . I hope WCHB will avoid lawsuits against the corrupted companies , best wishes and luck to you , the developers and staff of this fangame ! May you all have great future , thank you for making a mod like this where you show effort and hardwork to allow the community to feel happy and alive from playing PvZ3 , thank you so much !

There is no way this is similar to my singing monsters the lost landscapes incident

God EA just corrupted Popcap. Yeah im sticking with the old games

I've seen many PVZ fan games; like "its versus time" which copies the pvz 1 versus mode, but they went for a game that wasn't even done yet?

read this not knowing what WCHB was and got legitimately psyched up thinking they'd cancel PVZ3 lol. ABSOLUTE best of luck on making a brand new IP, plants vs zombies or not! Always a sucker for the artistic process of MAKING something in general! I mean on the bright side you can actually monetize that too, if you want ;)

I just found out about the lore of drybones and I felt like I gut punched in the gut but seeing this not only double the pain i felt but also I felt like I got kicked in the shin's so thanks pop cap for giving me this pain

Well ,you can make someting like msm: lost landscapes ,instead of deleting the whole project you could reimage the plant ,making them your own plant ,so they can t say anithing since are plant created by you , (ex ,making sunflower a three that instead of producing sun produces apple ,that still have the same mechanic as the pvz sun) I dont know if is a possible solution ,but since for msm: lost landscape worked ,you could do that ,if you still whant to work on the project

My strongest suspicion here is that your PvZ3 was shot down because to an outsider's perspective it looks like it is, or is trying to be, an official game. Those kinds of things *always* get shut down and you're not special in that regard, regardless of the visibly high quality present even in the minimally shown assets of the video. It's not because you threaten their fanbase, it's not because you could "do better", it's not because you might be taking their customers' money away from them. The fact is there are PvZ fangames out there that have lived and died at a higher quality than popcap's own works, some of them even sexually explicit in nature which is all the more reason for popcap or EA to want to shut them down but instead they let them be. Even Valve will shut down fan projects if they attempt to toe the line into pretending they are or could be mainline, despite being known for fostering a modding community- the only difference is they'll ask you to change the game name or promotional imagery first rather than just shooting you down straight away (as they did with Black Mesa originally being called Black Mesa: Source, somehow causing confusion despite "fan game", "fan mod" and "not affiliated with Valve" being plastered all over their website at the time.) On the flip side though, continually saying "we're better than them" or "they fear us" is kinda childish, and you don't want to make that the lasting impression of your product. Even if it's true (and it is), please try to have a more professional tone when shit-talking popcap, because there's a lot of godawful products that insist they're the best thing since sliced bread and put all negativity or criticism down to those exact same two lines. You're clearly not one of them, so please try to better distinguish yourself from them in attitude to match how far apart you already are in quality.

So EA just doesn't want to be shown what happens when you actually try to make a good game that isn't the bare minimum/ cash grab Cause EA are acting like they still known have to make games now

That Reddit message had so many loud incorrect buzzers it actually pisses me off that they spend more time monetizing and milking Pvz then actually wanting to see it thrive. I’m not even a pvz fan and I’m frustrated

I have never seen so much bullshit packed in one single email before. That community manager email was genuinely infuriating, using all the buzz word to pretend they cared about the community at all. And good job to whoever dubbed that, that voice was perfect for it. 👍

Yk maybe this whole argument could’ve been avoided “not blaming anyone at the the team who were working on Pvz 3 what could’ve been.” If modern popcap actually gave the game people wanted instead of a Pvz knockoff on gardenscapes. They blame the team behind here for copying there assets when they are litteraly copying gardenscapes. Popcap is literally being a hypocrite.

To me at this point... Popcap was like Plants... New ideas and didn't destroy it, they were fun and made wonderful projects and games to keep us away from the zombies (A.K.A. boredom) But now Popcap is like a zombie, being milked by EA for money and isn't original anymore. Stumbling with horrible project even a person with common sense knows not to do. But they don't have common sense... They are just zombies for money... Either a new refined PVZ game will be taking down the Popcap we know today and replant a new seed. Or they will be more mindless to the money... It's only a wish and a prayer for a good PVZ game to come out... Maybe one day... But I'm not that high about it... Times ticking...

Know something? what makes me angry is that after that they announced choose your seeds on PvZ3, thinking that everyone will forget them just because a single feature that isnt even the main problem

question about fan games/mod not being for monetary gain: does Patreon count? I'm (some what) working on a mod, and am wondering if such a method is legitimately viable or not, as i want to try and avoid a terrible fate

Probably because: -It was announced like a "better version" -The game is in a soft-launch when in many countries isn't released so it probably would provocate piracy (not directly but still...) -Pvz 3 wants to make, and for a soft-launch, is making money, so they are going to care for the most recent game in contrary to older games like Pvz2 who, still makes money, but not the same as past years

Sigh what a bummer :( Thank you for the update

Next thing you know they're gonna target other mods like Reflourised. I've already lost plenty of faith with EA and PopCap, but if something like that happens, I'll lose it.

I am not familiar to pvz community, but I have to say it’s stupid that they say that don’t use sunflower even though it’s just a sunflower with her face you can’t copyright that you can’t copyright plans with faces or zombies with random things on the heads like a cone pot, etc

It doesn't sound like they don't care or want to insult you, PopCap and EA just want to steal your credit. It's super infuriating to see them attack you like that😡. In my personal opinion, your work is awesome , so don't ever give up, no matter the pressure. Love you guys❤

Didn't even hear anything about this project until it shut down, that's some insane timing

I imagine it’s because it was based on PvZ3 instead of 1 or 2. There are a dozen PvZ 2 fan games, none of them have been taken down despite all of them being offline, free, no microtransactions, and generally better in every way with their own unique twists. But we are still in the PvZ 3 financial cycle, which means anything that interferes with PvZ3 specifically can be seen as possibly taking customers and revenue away, and making fiscal reports look worse. It would be like someone modding Battlefield 3 (real example) vs modding Battlefield 2042, one is still financially relevant and is still being milked while the other only makes pennies and isn’t worth bothering. In an ideal world you’d have Pop Cap pull a Valve and try to learn from modders, invite them in, hire them possibly, and create a better experience for all while still generating profit. OR you can pull a Nintendo and keep everything under lock and key guarded by rabid lawyers, even the smallest of small projects like Gmod workshop items be hunted down and terminated. They already don’t allow the use of PvZ1 music, next will come fan games, then mods, then youtube content.

You know, if I were to put myself in pop caps' perspective, this is a REALLY stupid move by them motivated by closed-minded thinking. PVZ3 isn't even half the success as its predecessors. It would be hard for pop cap to see how not many people know about PVZ3, but the revenue should at least speak for itself. Then, as popcap, I see an upcoming fan project on the internet that looks to have people excited. Well, yes, popcap, pretty much anybody's, really, first instinct would be to defend their IP using crappy PR peashooter responses. However, I don't see how, for most, at least the thought of an opportunity wouldn't rise. You have passionate fans who are willing to even to take the risk to appear like they could be crossing copyright IP. Its also very clear from the quality, to me at least, that this isn't being made by a teenager or child who doesn't have a firm grasp of copyright, (which i kinda got that sense from how they were talking in the email.) These people show talent, they would have really great skills. Although I imagine popcap and EA want to be careful about this kind of thing, a win-win solution for everyone would be for popcap and EA to see some of the game progress in development, just to comfirm its the right idea, take the opportunity, and work with the "Project Bloom team," who make the fangame, but license the game under EA and pop cap, possibly marketing the game as a spin-off. EA and pop cap get the revenue generated from all that hype, while the team gets to make a game they feel satisfies the community. Its not unheard of in the industry, but pretty uncommon. However, while that would be a smart thing for EA and Pop cap to do, in reality it is exceedingly unlikely, as it involves some risk, which I believe AAA studio executives are allergic to, it would require a certain amount of openesss on part of EA/pop cap, which most, if not all AAA devs were raised specifically to be afraid of, and it would require faith that the team would make somthing that turns a profit without strict control over the game making process... oh wait, I think I just heard an ambulance I believe that they singled you out because what you were making looked very good, too good, and it was somthing EA/Pop cap couldn't even chance it be made, much less be playable for free. Of course, they wouldn't dare admit that, because that would be "defeat," In their eyes (even if its an opportunity in mine), and like most jealous beings, they would rather strike down what they see as better than be forced to play inferior to somthing else. In the meantime, EA will probably keep making PZ3 better with subtle, more under the radar updates, because you made them see that PVZ3 isn't like people wanted, however, that, when played right, the brand in it of itself is far from dead and can continue to generate revenue and influence pop culture, and for that, you and the team deserve to feel proud!

"hey! Dont touch my ip!" "Are you gonna do anything with it then?" "...no"

Dayum man this mod looked so good!

We should shame PopCap & EA for this.

I really love how companies these days killing them selves (aka Microsoft with mojang and Es/popcap and many more) instead of actually doing something with their games wich litterly could never get popular without fans they always decide to leave the community on *Read* and say *we like listening to the community*

The future of the PvZ franchise both by the franchise's story/lore (New PvZ3 was a continuity reboot) and the current state of the franchise's current crews creators (Modern PopCap and EA) toward the community was just... I have no words other than worrisome unfortunate... Plus even since New PvZ3 was released in chosen countries (3 months ago), I was completely felt mixed to see the game act like a continuity reboot along using the comic characters there but it felt like it's too late way to creating their official introduce them in the game... This somehow completely insulted both of the long-time PvZ fans and the PvZ Comic's story and characters... Ouch... Because of the current state of EA and PopCap, we never had a chance to seeing official interactions of Patrice and Nate toward The Plant Heroes (minus Comic Rose/Agent Rose/Heroes Rose and Comic Cirton/Agent Cirton/Heroes Citron) in the future of the PvZ franchise... It's took like 3 bad things the PvZ community aware about last month until they finally added Choose Your Seeds (somehow known as Pick-a-Plant) at New PvZ3 was just a salt of the wound... And to Vander Graaf, Jay and the WCHB crew, you're deserve better than this. I hope your spiritual successor fangame project doing well, my friends.

Here's a name: Flora vs Undead

With the amount of effort, dedication and actual passion you guys have you might as well make an entirely new game. It doesn't have to be a PvZ fan game (although I ackowledge that that was the point of the project in the first place). An spiritual successor would be better in my opinion since, in my eyes, PvZ died shortly after EA bought Popcap.

Is that dustman stage from megaman 4 on the background?

What Coulda’, Shoulda’, Woulda’ Been

bro gardenscapes isn't even that bad it just doesn't need stupid clones

This truly is the death of popcap, It seems EA finally killed them. Once you get bought by EA? your days will forever be numbered. I feel bad for the guys who originally made PVZ, and fueled their love and time into it, now for it to have become as shameful as it is. A vigil for them. 🕯️ A vigil for the fan-game 🕯️ And a hope for the future of this brand new IP! 🎉

My honest suggestion is to make a spiritual successor, the yooka laylee to their banjo kazooie, you have a team of people all itching to make a game for the community, and what better way to make it rival them with an actual good game! Maybe even publish it for 5 or 10 bucks (example prices) just so we in turn can show them how money talks. Youll be an undeniable threat that they cant do anything about Regardless, best of luck in any future endeavors

Omg ur fan game looks so fun I’m mad that they stopped you from continuing it

Pvz neighborhood defense be Shakin 💀