The Six Hosts are called Obito's Pain of Six Paths. He even calls them new Pains. It is noted he could have given them the Six Paths techniques but elects not to because he wants to conserve chakra against foes that already know how to counter them, which the Animal Summons obviously cannot do. On that note, he likely would use them against the Hokage since they would not have pre-knowledge of them. They do not just have shared perception, they also have the Sharingan's kinetic vision. They also likely passively benefit from the Rinnegan/Obito's chakra flowing through them. It is not actually the same one ball from Kurama against the other six to the one Madara used, since Madara was controlling both halves of Kurama, though one could counter that Naruto's half is stronger than the half that was originally split due to being with a host (even if Naruto was mostly out of chakra) or just growing over nearly two decades. The strongest Uchiha statement seems to be referring to the Sengoku Jidai. Retsu no Sho lists Obito and Madara as both having the greatest Uchiha power, with the chapter titles noting them as the two greatest evils (at the time), corroborates by their similarly sized Fire Release and similar speed projectiles. The official Naruto website actually suggests Madara is stronger as an Edo Tensei than he was in life (though his Rinne Tensei is stronger than both) which would make Obito stronger than Madara was, previously. Likewise, it is possible Hashirama continued to improve after Madara's death, given he can enter Sage Mode instantly as an Edo Tensei whilst paused for a bit longer against Madara (thus, Hashirama's true prime is never actually seen). Hiruzen's age is not actually known when Tobirama died, though assuming he is of similar age to Kagami, he was no younger than twenty-five which would make Tobirama in his early fourties. Taking the anime, Hiruzen is even faster than Tobirama, for what that is worth (I actually think he is, but that is an unpopular opinion). The Mangekyō does not make Itachi faster. It is the Susanoo itself that is super-fast as said by Obito. If Itachi threw the Susanoo at Naruto and B, Samehada might have absorbed it, so not the most comparable, there (he needed a distraction before hitting Nagato, otherwise he might have done the same). Hiruzen's political success is not just due to perfecting the Academy. He is actually the one who named it from Tobirama's Ninja Training Institution, expanding it three times, but he also brought the bureaucratic side of Konoha under heel which is noted to be difficult compared to other Kage such as Gaara, and he also kept the peace via his ever-present watchful eye via the Telescope Technique, amongst other accolades. I imagine Obito would start employing Gakidō against Tobirama would would negate his attack potency advantage; the Rasengan are able to disable Paths of Pain but even Jiraiya giant Rasengan was negated by being absorbed. Tobirama might not have any Edo Tensei left by the time he died, so he might not be able to use ancillary techniques if he is alive. It was not a C2 fish. C2 is the dragon. It is C1, though explosives are more potent underwater. VIZ are not the ones that do the collections, those are the tankōbon in Japan which VIZ just translates, and some errors still slip through, such as certain hitai-ate having the wrong designs. Even in the volume release, Hiruzen has grey hair during Obito's exams, for example, when it should still be black. For the sake of the anime, Hiruzen could both halves of Kurama out of the village with Enma, so he could likely just overpower Obito's Paths altogether. It is suggested he might have stopped one bijūdama before Minato arrived, as well. The second step Hiraishin is not exactly movement/combat speed since it is teleportation. By the time Obito did notice he had teleported, it was already too late. The second databook file of the Hiraishin claims it is invented by Minato, which is later wrong, so its description in general might be off. The Edo Tensei cannot be blinded since if they have their eyes damaged they will just regenerate. It is possible Hiruzen was actually younger than Minato when he became Hokage. Early twenties is not that unheard of for Hokage. Poor Tsunade does not stand a chance.
Great video as usual. One thing I would say you left out and disagree when comparing Minato and Tobirama… they BOTH can teleport things bijuudamas away. In fact, before Naruto came up with the idea of using Minato’s FTG to get everyone outside the barrier that Juubito set up, Tobirama notes that him and Minato can each can teleport a juubidama away but need Hashirama to handle the other two. Also to note, Tobirama is also capable of teleporting chakra mass as large and larger than Kurama like Minato since he teleported both halves of Kurama which also does include connecting with Minato and Naruto’s chakra (at that point Minato and Tobirama’s FTG and one can argue chakra was synced as well as Naruto and Minato but the feat of using FTG on a Full Kurama just split between two bodies still remains) Another thing to note (especially to show that he doesn’t even need sage mode it’s overkill), pretty sure Edo Hashi was going to use deep forest emergence to stop TWO juubidamas. All 6 Bijuu Obito has combined aren’t even half of the Juubi’s power. BASE Hashi is no diffing
I legit never thought of this. Also, the Jinchuriki should have been the main cast of Shippuden. Since the whole second series was about them. basically.
@@AnassLouisOfficial I think tobirama is relative to base hashirama, but sage mode negs. My personal reasoning is because I'd scale tobirama at his strongest as equal to ems madara level (ems final valley). Before you say he cant beat ems madara, my intent behind those words is that as time they get stronger so by the time tobirama gets to ems madara level, madara and hashirama would have grown further in power, so tobirama would still be behind
@@manny9191Yeah I can see that.I mean those guide statements about madara and Hashirama being equals is blatantly false.If Madara didn’t have the entire 9 tails he’d likely get negative diffed by sage hashirama.After all the years of constant warfare Tobirama and EMS Madara(no 9 tails) were probably around the same level.
Dope idea brodie, I think each hokage walks away confindently, bar Hiruzen, like you said. A video on full power white mask Obito would go crazy btw and stop the wrinkle scaling bro. 💀🤣
@@DeletedUser232Probably not cause Sakura surpasses her in the war. Given the databooks and series, I am of the interpretation that she did “catch” up to Naruto and Sasuke specifically in the moment she said. Of course, they get MASSIVELY more powerful and weren’t even at there full power in that scene, but her being at that level with just base byakugou is superior than full 100 healings Tsunade. Tack on her own 100 Healings and she’s clearly stronger even in the war. By the events of the novel and the Last, Sakura should be at least a couple tiers stronger than her war arc counterpart
@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 Even though by Catching up to (KCM 1 Naruto and EMS Sasuke) them she meant that she can fight alongside them without bieng a burden, She definitely did Surpass Tsunade in the war arc but not by that much in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke surpassed Their sannin counter parts (which is astronimical). Tbh I would love to see a fight between sakura and Tsunade, It will be interesting as both have the same abilities but I think of Sakura as an upgraded Tsunade.
That was a tobirama shadow clone that speed blitz & grabbed the truth seeking orb. So yes, he is far superior to most shinobis, including early war arc sauske & naruto.
Ngl we might have to throw a god somewhere in your name too just to keep it consistent 🔥🔥. I was shook last time you pulled out a plain sight, golden topic like this time but at this point I’m convinced you’ve just been suppressed this whole time or you’ve long since hit us with that finger genjutsu.
You already know brother, I have many more topics no one’s done, my next vid is a Hidan vs Jonin gauntlet which no one has done b everyone has requested for years. Not super sure why, but your boy gonna cover it
Ninjas often rely on strategy & team work. But lately i've been seeing some implying that tobirama only sneaks up on his enemies 😂. We literally saw hashi using a woid clone & then stabbing madara from the back. Tobi was a beast on the battle field, & had many ways to go about destroying his enemies.
@@Virhtue Naruto is a story about ninjas constantly using strategy. Its everybody motive to have the upperhand. 👍👍. But he only needs it if the person is super super stronger like madara or hashi 👍
@@Virhtue dont forget, that even after seeing sauske mangekyo, Lord Second was instantly ready to take him on, not even relying on hashirama. There is just so much tobirama feat/statements/abilities that just put him above guys like itachi, raikage, minato, early war arc naruto & sauske, etc. 👍 He literally sent a shadown clone to go grab the truth seeker orb 😧👏. I really do enjoy these discussions. Keep up the great work, your videos are kool, ur analysis too, u got potential. 🙏👍
I do believe that Tobirama is beneath Bijuu Sage Mode, but not beneath KCM2, if anything, he’s on that level of KCM2 Naruto or a little bit above… But as you said, Tobirama’s AP feats are wacky. But let’s say he does manage to overcome the V2 Jinchuriki?? I think White Mask Obito is relative to that Early-Bijuu Sage Mode Naruto, or at least a mastered KCM2, since he blitzes him with wood-style, is shown relative to a suppressed Edo Madara. Also about the Daze, I can understand some arguments for Dazed KCM Minato being on the same level or a little beneath Hokage Minato…. I think Minato or some sort of statement about him, said that the Ninetails provided him with such a heavy chakra, like so much MASS, you could argue that all that mass slows Minato down? But it never slowed Naruto down, all because it, Naruto is part Uzumaki, so you could make some sort of argument, but that’s reaching…. So it was really just the Daze. And if I hadn’t made it obvious by now, I do believe KCM Minato is above KCM2 Naruto.
A pitty you didn't talk about Tsunade on this one as she is a fantastic hokage as well but it's still a dope video and concept I think with the 100 sealings Tsunade has enough endurance and strenght to take them on fr
@@Spexz07Well when I say take them on I don't mean win or anything ofc, she can fight them up until being oberwhelmed by all their biju forms The other thing that would really trouble her is their rinnegan shared vision but she can still fight them in their human forms, but anyways the point is that she should have been analyzed and deserves it as well
OMG. We never saw Sage Hashi throw hands with Madara. Hashi only use sage mode to block the ninetails & susano combo. Also, hashi is like naruto, so he might have been holding back too, against his best friend/enemy 😂.
No he directly implies he’s no longer holding back, madara pointed it out and that’s why he went into sage mode, and just like we never saw Sasuke walking in the desert, we can assert that he was walking for x amount of distance enough to draw sweat upon himself, just like we can use the initial engagement and final pages to determine how they fought which is only supplemental material for the databooks blatant statements
Granting Tobirama edos summons while alive. Those tandom paper bombs can at least kill one or more tailed beasts, successfully ruining project tsukinome and rendering Obito’s war pointless, even if Tobi falls after. I was sleeping on what he could pull off here till realizing that.
Minato’s nerf is pretty similar to how Naruto was acting at the final valley in part 1. he realized Sasuke was actually trying to kill kill him, and was just lost in his own head 😞. Luckily nine tails snapped him out.
If Minato in base is very close to, or equal to KCM 2, why was he on the same level as KCM 2 Naruto with his own KCM cloak? Shouldn't he have been much faster?
Tobirama dont use FTG as much as minato because, tobirama aint dependent on it. Only uses it when its really required. Minato's body flicker is so so fast, that he always have to rely on FTG, literally. Tobirama should have gotten stronger too, after madara died. 👍
Don’t think you meant to word that top part the way you did but yeah Tobirama isnt dependent on it and that’s why he’s much worse at it. Also you will never prove Tobirama got any stronger or weaker following the start of the leaf. There is no valid way to assert any gap in power
@@Virhtue I understand, i really do. I blame it on Kishimooto writing. In part one, as well as war arc, we saw tobirama showing same reaction, combat & travel speed as (Hashirama). Im pretty sure hashi or madara wont need FTG to beat younger younger obito. Neither is raikage blitzing them. And they wont need FTG for literally everything. Tobirama is like them, he dont need to rely on FTG for just any & everyone.
@@Virhtue I understand, i really do. Hope u dont think im angry with ya, im not 👍. Tobirama Usage with FTG is so so good, that he was perfectly being relied on by minato & others, even able to switch instantly with kcm minato at the same time.
KCM1 and KCM2 aren’t real terms ever mentioned in the manga, anime, games or other guides. They are simply terms to better grasp what we are talking about, KCM1.5/MKCM is the base KCM1 after Naruto mastered Kurama’s chakra and the link for KCM2 is better making the KCM1.5 > KCM1
I got one if you guys haven’t done so already. A free for all with dynamic duos itachi x kisame vs Madara x obito vs Kakashi x might guy vs Naruto x sasuke vs hagaromo x hamura
Minato notices it's the masked man tps and slices him, the mask is still on so he doesn't get the mental nerf. Obito dips and Minato fights tailed beast. As he is about to seal one obito retreats since if one gets sealed it's gg to his plan
hey V, I always understood Tobirmama went down to "a group os S-class shinobi" which sounds closer to a group like the Akatsuki more than just 20 Jonin ?
No it’s never stated S-class shinobi, every main translation comes out to “master bounty hunters” or “the highly skilled” so to assert a level is totally arbitrary
Question: I really wonder, as the tailed beasts often have certain chakra natures and kekkei genkai, which does kurama have? I think I read on narutopedia or somethin that its wind and fire (probably reasoned as on the ninetails attack he boasts flame like bursts and during the pain fight vreates tornados...). Bro do you know maybe?
@@Virhtue We have seen both Hashirama and Madara fight. We have also seen Tobirama fight. So unless there was a fight where Madara or Hashirama were moving at teleportation speed, YOu are wrong
Loved the video but I have to disagree on Madara being as strong as Hashirama..... Reason being that Hashirama was trying to reason with Madara .... They were friends. But when he saw that there was no way to convince him.... He actually got serious and killed him easily! Also the fact that Madada never won a fight against Hashirama.... Not even once.... And Madara had to loose one of his eyes and run away..... Other than that I agree with everything you said brother.
So no disrespect, but just for your info, Hashirama implies he’s no longer going to hold back when Madara said as much and then tried to kill him and engaged him in Taijutsu, so no
Tobirama possibly died due to low chakra, why else would he not teleport his team back home?? So people are just quick to jump to conclusions, even though we literally saw him & team looking dirty up, like they were already fighting. 👍
@@Virhtue the fastest man in the world at the time getting blitzed ?? Its possible he died due to low chakra, in the manga both him & team looked roughed up, as if they were already fighting, & fought before. Why else would he not teleport himself & team. 👍
Honestly tobirama’s skill with the ftg is very good is has ftg slash which is basically ftg level 2 he has ftg round robin he’s able to teleport 2 kurama avatars at the same time he also said he could teleport a ten tails biju bomb he was able to teleport sasuke alone to madara his clones could use it too the only thing he doesn’t have is guiding thunder which is the main reason I think minato is better at it than him
@@Virhtue people think tobirama is garbage at ftg but he’s not he’s very good at it he can do almost everything minato can do with it he just doesn’t main it as much and uses other techniques
Is their a reason why the 3rd lasting against edo 1st and 2nd isn’t viewed as impressive? even if they are atleast half their original power These are still 2 generational shinobi and he is fighting and reacting to them at the same time Against a former student
@@Archer170 How not? Naruto and Bee managed to fight against Obito and these jinchurikis, it would be extremely easier for Minato or Tobirama to fight against them, since with 1 touch they can easily separate Obito's jinchurikis and send them away, not to mention that Minato is a master in sealing , it would be easy for him to break Obito's control over the jinchurikis, and they would probably join Minato to defeat Obito
OMG. Madara would have heard about tobiramas instantaneous FTG. So it dosent have to be about the Izuna fight. He can literally teleport, hashi & madara cant. So obviously madara would know this, so it aint gotta be about the Izuna fight. Also, madara spent time in the village before he finally left, so he would be aware of ninjas like tobirama, etc, & their abilities. 👍
I never made that a point brother, you need to listen to my arguments my friend, I said on the basis Izuna was close to him in power or viewed atleast as formidable and Tobirama blitzed though him in a manner at whihh ch Madara did not see, Madara has a basis for a conclusion, take this away Madara then has no basis to claim Tobirama’s speed and hence it falls apart.
Video Idea Tobirama vs Every Uchiha 💀. It will be intresting to see tho. But have suitable versions like For Sasuke: EMS Sasuke For Obito: Orange Mask or Yellow Mask For Madara: MS Madara Any Version above these, Tobirama doesn't stand a chance in my opinion. Tobirama vs EDO Itachi and Tobirama vs EMS Sasuke are interesting Match ups.
This is only true if Tobirama knew Edo Tensei at that point in his life which I don’t believe he does 11:30. Doesn’t Madara knows Edo Tensei is one of Tobirama techniques so he had to witness him using it in a fight. This would indicate that either Tobirama uses this in his fight against Izuna or earlier or in later fights like other clans or a shinobi world war which is also near peak Madara/Hashirama. If the latter is true then Madara would’ve saw peak Tobirama as well
Hashirama- wins high diff (war arc Obito was around the same level as ems Madara) Tobirama - Obito wins mid diff Hiruzen and Tsunade combined - Obito wins negative diff Minato (KCM 2) - Obito wins high diff Kakashi - Kakashi wins low to mid diff if DMS but Obito wins low diff if any otehr version Naruto - Naruto wins low diff. Prime Hiruzen might give some of a fight but still loses.
@@Virhtue Vs tobirama, I feel like Obito might win high diff as Tobirama really gives his 200% when fighting Uchiha, but jokes aside his speed might challenge Obito. As for Minato, a fight between them could go either way (extreme diff) just cause Minato's raw speed exponentially increasing after KCM.
Listen, brother, I was going to do her but then I said “screw it, it would be like Hiruzen and I want to talk more about Tobirama and Minato respectively😭😭
Lol you think alive Minato is some how winning 9 out of 10 is funniest take i have heard first theres know way for him to seal them they needed special sealing jujsu to do that.second he doesn't have the power to damage them rasng is not doing shit. Third most important there all keeping up with kcm1 Naruto who alive minato is relative to so unless you're saying obito who knows everything minato can do is just incredibly stupid. I think he's chances is edo wasn't obito keeping up with kcm2 naruto i guess his a none factor.
Itachi blitzed Nagato? So now in 1 v 4 fight sakura punching Kaguya scale above All previous kages? 🤣 it's 1 v 4 it doesn't matter... Itachi took advantage of The 1 v 3 fight it's not some god level feats...
So if you actually look at the lore around kin and gin were not a part of the kinkaku force because they were made to kill them as they were rouge ninja at this point. They are not real jinchūriki by the way. They possess the chakra of kurama though eating his flesh, it wasn't sealed inside of them like a true jinchūriki. It's also weaker than a real jinchūriki of the nine tails.
And if you would like to know more of how their dna binds with an aspect of their DNA so they didn’t die when eating the innards check out my Hagoromo, Indra and Ashura video