Dave is talking more real world while the other 3 are talking about the media. Philly is a tough fanbase and they don't care if you have a ton of weapons or if you dont have any they still will bring the heat on the QB. Hurts and other QBs don't care what the talking heads say.
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm my favorite team's O-LINE needs to step up?!? LOL You don't watch football. Every season, The Birdz are in the conversation for best O-lines in the league. Jason Kelce is the best Center to ever play, YES MY BIASED OPINION, that said we've had others on that same line playing great. Lane Johnson, Jordan Mailata, Landon Dickerson. Cam Jurgens is good. Even the backups step-up when needed. We only agree that the back 7 of the Defense needs to step-up. CJGJ will help with that.
you have lost your mind if you think they are biased for Lamar. they have never given that man any grace. the only ones who get that biased take is Herbert, burrow, and josh Allen. that's it!!!!!! @@maskedman5657
Statistically Jalen was better than 2022 only thing he regressed to was INTERCEPTIONS. He was hurt last year and still threw 4k+ yards with Brian stinking Johnson offense
He wasn't better. He had slightly more yards, which he should've had with over 70 more passing attempts and over 40 more completions. But his yards per game were down, his completion percentage was down, and he threw 9 more interceptions with only one more touchdown. And we haven't even touched the advanced stats which are less kind.
@@napoleonj1735 Advanced stats? 6th lowest turnover worthy play, 10th highest QBR, 6th highest graded QB ALL WHILE HAVING THE WORST PLAY CALLING IN THE LEAGUE!
Wasn't Hurts literally leading the MVP convo 11 games into the season? Especially after the win vs Buffalo. They fell off after SF but to say he stunk all szn is wild lol
Imagine, in a parallel universe, Hurts ripping up his contract, forgoing his Eagles money, and becoming a FA, how many teams would ditch their QB and instantly sign him for 50mil grtd/y ? 25 !
Jalen Hurts went 11-6 and missed winning the division by a game. He won games in the middle of the season despite some of the worst offensive schemes in the league. He never made excuses and puts more pressure on himself to win than these guys on TV do. They're just rooting for him to fail. Acho once said he'd been "Exposed" but to claim that would mean HE was telling the lie. You All, the media, make evaluations and when it doesn't turn out as YOU thought it would, they've been "exposed." Jalen's never told any stories or claimed anything. All the expectations they had were based on his performance and not some subterfuge to be uncovered and "exposed."
How is this dumb conversation? hurts nearly has a roster as good as the 49ers on offense. Of course he should have a lot of pressure on his shoulders.That’s a perfectly reasonable conversation to have especially since he was just in the Super Bowl two years ago he made all pro second team and he was in the MVP conversation.
@dariusjohnson6013 Nearly??? We need to stop with this. That Eagles o line was and still is at this moment better. They have comparable players at every other skill position. A.J is better that Aiyuk. Smith and Deebo wash out. CMC is better than Barkley. Kittle and Godbert are both great catchers but Kittle is a better blocker. Only clear advantage is the niners have a full back.
@SteliosKantos Its a dmb debate. They are not the 40 whiners. And Hurts is better than Purdy. There is no pressure in him he just has to play his best which is what he should do anyway. Now enjoy ✌️
These clowns have no idea what really happened with the downfall of the eagles. The defense was riddled with injuries when they got to 10-1. There was no Dallas Goedert for 4-5 weeks of football which ruined that offensive gameplan since Goedert is crucial. FINALLY the real reason they fell apart was their OC Brian Johnson was beyond idiotic with their play calling ever since week 1. Pure talent got them to 10 wins. That DC Sean Desai failed that team & even Matt Patricia couldn’t save them with those secondary & Linebacker injuries. Maybe real analysts would figure this out.
@@jonpoetical maybe u forgot Nick literally said he’s not calling the offensive plays in the offseason & he was true to his word lmao. Dude didn’t play call the offense. All Brian Johnson.
The national media doesn’t actually watch Eagles football. Any QB with Brian Johnson as his play caller would regress SIGNIFICANTLY. Expecting a huge bounce back year from Jalen with real coordinators.
@@thegatorboys4183 Yet he made Kyle Trask and Dak Prescott Draftable. This is all Siriani. The Eagles knows this, that's why they fired Siriani from the offense.
Never thought he was that good. He balled out in the Superbowl tho can't take that away from him. He def earned a eyebrow raise. Other than that tho he hasn't really impressed me playing as a QB.
Trashing players and coaches alike is their bread and butter. They salivated when Russ embarrassed himself in 2022. They're salivating over Daniel Jones's ridicule contract, or Mac Jones's demise. They can't wait to see Tua, Russ, A-Rod, Dak, or whoever "fail". I wanted to hear what Saquon could bring to Philly, all I got is some Hurts bashing. Whom they idolized 14 months ago.
Whether you make excuses or not, losing games is unacceptable to your fan base, especially when most of the lockers fall on your shoulders and we’re watching what we thought was last year of talent around the league win games
Jalen Hurts was graded the #6 QB in production last year according to PFF. That’s coming off a superbowl loss and losing both coordinators. It’s pretty clear Acho and James Jones have a vendetta against him. Jalen Hurts is a top 5 QB NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
The loss of the coordinator can't be ignored, but Jalen's production in 2022 was eye opening. And so in 2023 you expect him to exceed that, even with the loss of a coordinator, especially because the former QB coach was still there and the head coach who is offensive minded is still there. Jalen was paid to be more productive than #6, particularly with the skill guys he has. Also when looking at the games, the production doesn't tell the whole story. His mechanics and reading of defenses was lacking.
Jalen did not stink, he was the 6th graded qb on pff, he was 7th in EPA, 7th in success rate, & 10th in QBR, the previous season he was top 3 in those categories. The team went 11-6 despite the defense being ranked 30th in everything James & Acho are just haters
hurts didn't play great, nor did the team after a 10-1 start, but after that buffalo game we were talking hurts for MVP. He was also tied for 2nd in total TD's in the NFL.....that is not a MAJOR step back. Yes, Hurts underpreformed down the stretch but the entire team folded. With better coaching I think Hurts will throw 25-28 TDs and run for another 12. Hurts is right on schedule. With better play design I see him having a great year.
Pretty asinine to think he has more pressure when clearly everyone knows the pressure was on this season trying to overcome coaches/coordinators who had no business coaching. Hurts still was very much rated top 10….dont know WHAT James is smokin, he just said out his own mouth Hurts was still second team All Pro
The logic on this show forever confuses me … they said based off last season you can’t call hi a top 10 QB this year. That’s just dumb because by that same logic we gotta not call Burrow a top 10 QB and that’s also dumb
I watched the eagles run 4 verts on 3rd and 2 almost every game last year. If you looking for why jalen didn't play well look no further than the coaching staff.
I hate how they say hurts had such a bad year but then turn around an say josh Allen had a good season 😭😭 they said u can’t put him in top 10 qb play but put josh in the top 5 the biased is so real
It’s true, No Excuses for Hurts and he has Kellen Moore who is a very smart and experienced coach. IF I see the same dumb mistakes, then He is what he is and the Eagles will have to consider drafting a future replacement in a future draft..
There is almost no real pressure on Jalen Hurts because of his contract. He doesn't have a reasonable dead cap hit until 2027. All the pressure is on the head coach. If Jalen doesn't perform with all these weapons there will be a new coach in Philadelphia.
100% it's on Sirianni. Jalen has proved he could rival Mahomes on the biggest stage. Only Burrow can boast that feat, simple at that. As for decent dead cap, I would even say 2028 (2027 is still 44 mil...). Peace, Nap.
Fascinating, and fundamental, divergence in attitudes and mindsets: Joy "If I have more weapons, I am under more pressure because I run out of excuses should I fail". Dave: "If I have more weapons, I am under less pressure because I have more chances to succeed". One looks for safety in excuses. The other looks for safety through success. Should I hire or trust one of those two, my choice would have been made right there.
Offensive Coordinator*** And I wouldn't say he couldn't call plays, I think his system just didn't mesh with Hurts' play style. Also, he wasn't "fired" per se, but just isn't returning for the 2024-25 season.
Hurts is young, black, paid, QB of the Eagles. He knows it’s pressure but y’all are haters. His cap hit is lower than 165 other players. It doesn’t hurt the team, yet. Can’t be mad at Hurts that Howie is investing in him.
The pressure is on the coaching staff. Jalen already showed he can ball out but took a huge step backwards when his coaches left. Now the coaches need to show that they can utilize the weapons they have which they could NOT do last year.
There is pressure on everyone. Its Jalens job to manage the pressure as the leader, but the pressure is on everyone from all of the players on offense to the offensive coaching staff. But I believe Jalen and Kellen Moore will be a match made in heaven. and Jalen is gonna have his best season
In Jalen hurts career he only had the same coordinator once for back to back years and the second year he went to the superbowl let’s not forget this man been learning new offenses like every year.
Hurts did a heck of a job last year considering coaches and coordinators were brain dead , on running schemes and just pure Coaching , and OH by the way he was truly hurt and yet he never complained or threw anyone under the Bus he's a true leader and stand up guy. Go Birds....... I'll be looking at the coaches this year, not Hurts, he checks the Box. Go Birds
“Huge step back” is an overstatement. His only regression was he was more antsy in the pocket. Analysis shows that Hurts performed OK, but the offensive scheme wasn’t as good.
Dave and Joy arguing but they’re both right DEPENDING ON what angle you’re looking at as far as pressure but let’s be real, with Saquan there now, the pressure just went sky high.
IF Jalen Hurts win the Bowl 🥣 this year I would not care what people say about him winning having new help in sequan. Other top teams have help , so what's the difference, get real people, that's what winning football is about. Go Birds....
Pressure = expectations x 10 or so ??? But Pressure, is also subjective.. which causes the differences. Pressure on Hurts: the better help he gets! The more pressure is on him to perform! To not let the rest of them down!
Jalen was never elite nor the reason why the eagles went to the Super Bowl everyone became delusional and annoyed him elite and overpaid him and now they wanna be more offensive but the thing that got them to the Super Bowl was that generational defense
The fact that y’all comparing Hurts and Purdy is crazy, when Purdy had the THE BEST RB in the league… and all the injuries that happened last year on the line ? These folks forget easily
James is right. The pressure is on Hurts and to a lesser extent the offense because they haven't really improved their shoddy defense. They're loaded on offense and gonna have to outgun teams, have a lot of 41-37, 38-35, 44-42 games.
The pressure is 100% on Sirianni, and a little on Kellen Moore. Hurts is safe because of his contract. Besides, Hurts is a top QB, NFC title, huge support from dawgs team mates, self confidence is intact (he's not Mac Jones, Tua or Kenny Pickett).
Every starting QB in the league has pressure & every team has weapons & some teams weapons are better than others. It’s comes down to how you setup & use those weapons, the Ravens have weapons but didn’t use them right against the Chiefs. The Eagles had weapons & didn’t use the right the 2nd half of the season, Dallas has weapons & didn’t use the right in the playoffs.
I think it does and I think if he struggles again this year, let's have an honest conversation. Is he really better than Dak or did he just have 1 fluke year better than Dak's best year with a historically stacked Eagles roster ?
He plays in Philly there's always been pressure on Hurts. There's never not been pressure on ANY Philly athlete there's pressure on the punter, there's pressure on the ball boy!!!!
Why is saying purdy was more consistent than hurts crazy? Purdy is a much better QB than most people wanna admit and Hurts is a much worse QB than people wanna admit. I think there is a steong argument that hurts isnt even a top 10 QB in this league. At least i have 8 or 9 QB higher on my list and he can rock paper scissor with cousins and love for 10th
The longer I listened to this, the more frustrated I became. Hurts is still good. The play callers/schemers had him waiting for 7 seconds in the pocket before a play developed.
The problem last year was Brian Johnsons playcalling. The calls since week 1 were absolutely awful, there was no rhyme or reason to any of the playcalls
It seems like Philly signs a new RB every year. As a cowboys fan I’m jealous of their front office. Lose a player and replace him in free agency or with draft picks acquired through trades. Congrats Philly I know y’all still have some holes to fill, but you’ve got the best front office in the league.
Im tired of the disrespect of my quarterback! He is the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles. He lives in pressure every day. He's our QB1! Our whole team took a huge step backward! No matter if we had Barry Sanders Jerry rice and Devante Adams. Jalen would still have pressure!
As somebody that lives right next to Philly so I’ve seen him play multiple times in person had to watch him play in the Super Bowl against my Chiefs. Jalen hurts is overrated. He’s had one abnormal year and everything else has been average.
