Eastern Christianity, St Thomas Aquinas & The Immaculate Conception w/ Fr. Christiaan Kappes 

William, did you ever figure out that Epiphanius was “not” teaching about the bodily Assumption, but since there are more than one “Elijah” in the Bible, he was simply describing his Assumption into Heaven to distinguish him from other Elijah’s in Scripture? Just as he describes John as laying his head on the Lord’s breast to distinguish him from other Johns in Scripture? If not, this is why James White calls you “the king of eisegesis.”

@@BornAgainRN ​ I’m not William but it seems you are just trying to be the Mr. Unpleasant Guy when Albrecht is making a compliment to Fr Kappes, his friend I guess (and a theologian we can and must all appreciate). So your comment gets to the level of being infantile: “if not, then you are (fill in the blanks)”. I’ve addressed myself your claims about Eastern churches allegedly denying the Immaculate Conception in a comment you made on a video on the “Counsel of Trent” channel and I was not answered, so why William (or anyone) should respond to you, specially in a provocative post? Besides, I would blindly affirm William probably knows more of St Epiphanius of Salamis than you. All day. The discussions St Epiphanius propposes about Mary having died or not - calling it her dormition without defining it -, the way this Church Father discusses it would make you fail to even scratch the surface of his theology with this sort of counter-historical and shallow evangelical Protestant mindset, let alone his Mariology. May the Holy Spirit soften your petrified heart. *EDIT:* I took the word “pastor” out. Thank God you are not a shepherd, as someone so guided by hatred towards the Catholic Church (as American Protestants are commonly indoctrinated to be).

@@masterchief8179 and as I expected, instead of being objective, you just assumed that Albrecht knows what he is talking about. In reality, all he does is take a snippet from Panarion 79 from Epiphanius, taking it completely out of context, & ignores the surrounding passage to discern what Epiphanius is actually trying to convey. That is why Albrecht cannot exegete out of a paper bag, because he is beginning with an "infallible" dogma that was unheard of nearly the first 1/2 millennium, other than from an apocryphal text - that was anathematized by an early pope (without separating the dogma from the work it originated from). So, just as your assumption about me being a pastor is wrong, your assumption that Albrecht's eisegesis of Scripture & ECFs is as well. And that is all the Assumption of Mary is - just an assumption, based neither on Scripture nor "sacred tradition," but on the Magisterium alone. That is why guys like Albrecht are forced to use false Marian typologies, no different than Muslims have done with Jesus to deny His deity. Fr. Kappes is no different. I have listened to him before, and his explanations are substandard at best, reading his theology into Scripture, like Mary's comment about God being her Savior meaning something other than what the Greek ACTUALLY reveals. Yes, it is THAT transparent.

christie is banned on all top catholic channels. plz ask gary michuta william albrecht erick ybarra and michael lofton and they will tell you he is a troll that no one takes seriously. he is also banned by some orthodox. he trolls catholic apologists. you just have to reach out to fradd or one of his mods since this creep is starting to fill the pints shows with his anti catholic hatred. he is so mad that he isnt taken seriously.

@@juancrusader3590 OK, now the truth. A troll is someone who just leaves comments or Internet links, without taking the time to watch videos and then assessing them. This is what Catholics do on my channel. I did not do that on Gary’s and William’s channels. I actually take the time to watch their videos in their entirety, and then make comments. The problem is William doesn’t like that, because he doesn’t know how to address my arguments, so he just calls me and other protestants who do the same “trolls.” In reality, William is the one who is “anti-Protestant“ because he personally insults people who don’t agree with them, including calling me “mentally challenged“ because I disagreed with him in a live chat, which he put me in time out. He also calls people “stupid,“ for the same reason. William had contacted me a couple years ago and wanted to debate me on the canon, which I was going to do, but a family emergency of his came up. It never got rescheduled. During a live RU-vid program he was having with Gary, I had called in to discuss the topic they were talking about, and William hung up on me. He then publicly told his listeners that him and I were going to debate, without checking with me first. When I refused to debate him, this is when he began calling me names, and allowing his so-called “moderators“ to block my comments from the public. This is why you need to get both sides of the story, and not just from the one that you like. Just because William is Catholic that doesn’t mean that he’s right, and I’m wrong because I’m Protestant. Next time get both sides of the story and try to be a little objective. THIS is the REAL reason why I am “banned” on his and Gary’s RU-vid channels, as well as reason and theology. I’m a bit disappointed by Michael Lofton, because he appears to be objective, and he even stated he enjoyed having me on his show, and wanted me to come back on. But William lies so much, and since they are cohosts on reason and theology, unfortunately Michael just believes what he says, probably because he’s Catholic and I’m not.

@YAJUN YUAN oh my goodness. Hi buddy!

@YAJUN YUAN I think the better argument is that salvation is not just an individual thing, for God to be Mary's savior is simply because she shares in the salvation and exaltation of her people, their deliverance from their enemies and sharing in the fulfillment of God's eschatological promises (the very kinds of things her song talks about).

I would really like to see validation of that, because I am to understand that African missions were experiencing growth under Marcel Lefebvre.

@@StoaoftheSouth stats would be helpful, but this seems to track sociologically (Quakers were one of the first denominations to try bring Africans into their churches as part of the same worship service, but failed because the African cultural-religious experience didn't translate well into services with long stretches of silence. This is one reason why Methodism and other forms of Protestantism popular during the Great Awakening evangelized a lot of African communities in America, both pre and post Civil War -- culturally, active worship was more familiar. Or so the thinking goes.)

@@KM-ec2qv KM, the relevant "stats" are those on which the finding by Colin Clark by 1964 are based simultaneously advised by Clark to the Pope St Paul V1's Commission on Population and the UNO Food and Agriculture Organisation of "just about paripassu rate of growth of population [cf. marriage identity in need of union] and food supplies in the developing countries [cf. eucharist as procreation gift role of helpers of the family within the family]. This simultaneous advising of this finding together with Pope Francis from his election on 13 March 2013 completing it by example as well as advice keeping their inseparability and qualitative equality withstands the extreme tensions of positions of roman catholic church role group persons on the Immaculate Conception. These positions stated from 1858 as infallible dogma are based on the omission of 'qualitatively equal' in St Thomas Aquinas' proof of the inseparability of faith and reason in his ignorance of the qualitatively equal as well as inseparable nature of the male's procreation gift role in conception and the female's union need in her part in conception of identities of her valid and proper family members as of a valid and proper marriage.

Can you recommend a particular source from Fr Kappes on this subject?

@@GuadalupePicasso his academia provides his better works. Some are simply just translations like Gennadios Scholorios’s work against Aquinas. He has really well made works though such as *The Theology of the Divine Essence and Energies in George-Gennadios* and *Palamas among the Scholastics*. There are tons of other great works by him, just check his academia for most of it, but do keep in mind he is a Scotus so that is the opinion you will find but I love that opinion so it’s good for me.

@@slocole1005 thanks! I’m a big fan of Palamas (I’ve read his Triads, as well as a collection of his homilies), and I never understood the radtrad tendency to be so negative towards him.

@@GuadalupePicasso it’s just an “Aquinas only” view many of them take, since Palamas and Aquinas differ significantly on divine simplicity, but I think Dun Scotus in the West and Palamas in the East both grasped onto a neat mystical theological view that Aquinas never really accepted that I find truly profound

No he's not, he's trotting out basic historical falsehoods. For example, he says the Council of Jerusalem is consistent with the Immaculate Conception, but Decree 6 says the Theotokos has Original Sin. Roman Catholic dogma is that the Theotokos did not have original sin. Roman Catholics should not rely on a casual relationship with truth to make their case.

Unless he is a member of a consecrated marriage whether as a consecrated celibate vowed to the Holy Spirit in Christ or a male female couple marriage vowed to God, Fr Christiaan Kappes cannot keep or allow in uncertainty of belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his procreation gift, helper of the family within the family, 'do-ing' "intellect..." thinking and his 'be-ing' having faith in the meeting of the need of identities of his family members for union (cf. Pope St Paul V1's Encyclical Letter: "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12: marriage has 'Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation")

@@cyriljorge986 I might have a reading comprehension issue. I’m reading degree 6 of the synod of Jerusalem 1672 and it begins by stating original sin is a real thing, something that gladdens me since it’s a pet peeve of mine when EOs reject it. The decree reads, “We believe the first man created by God to have fallen in Paradise, when, disregarding the Divine commandment, he yielded to the deceitful counsel of the serpent. And as a result hereditary sin flowed to his posterity; so that everyone who is born after the flesh bears this burden, and experiences the fruits of it in this present world.” Excellent! As to the Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God, it says: “especially the Mother of God the Word, the ever-virgin Mary, did not experience these [sins], or such like faults.” Is this not the immaculate conception? I’m using this translation: www.crivoice.org/creeddositheus.html Please correct me if I’m wrong, God bless you brother.

Old Irish Proverb : "Tis sad to see the sons of Learning doth in Ever lasting Hell Fire Burning, while him that doth never Learned a Word doth Now in Eternity ever Shining" !

John Harmsen, I believe it is a case of the "intellect" of Fr Dr Kappes of not having its inseparability and qualitative equality kept with having faith. To 'out occult' "knowing good and evil" (RSV Genesis 3:5) in do-ing gift procreation role as a helper of the family within the family and 'be-ing' in need of union identity as a valid and proper family member of a valid and proper marriage, one must not know one's role and identity but keep or allow in uncertainty of belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of one's role and identity to exercise an absolute power of authorisation of applications of procreation role ensuring and union identity insuring. If Matt Fradd in another person's post stating Matt Fradd "had him on! in a vernacular sense of fooling him in referring to Dr Kappes, was a valid and proper family member of a valid and proper marriage he exercised an absolute power of authorisation to have Dr Kappes "on" by out occulting the occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, falsehood of Dr Kappes position on the Immaculate Conception. Dr Kappes' faulty, I believe, both Mariology and Christology is revealed in Matt Fradd consciously or unwittingly drawing out the error in the position of Dr Kappes on the Immaculate Conception of Mary that in error is consistent with I believe false roman catholic role group dogma. Roman catholic role group thinking about "Conception" is in error up to Pope Francis (who from his election on 13 March 2013 has been prudently correcting this error) in either not understanding or acknowledging the 'qualitative equality' of "procreation and union" in marriage in only asserting they are "inseparable" (Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12). This thinking is infected by the C13th AD St Thomas Aquinas holding that faith and reason were only inseparable and not also qualitatively equal as required for believing as in uncertainty the keeping or allowing of the inseparability and qualitative equality of thinking reason and having faith. After economist and statistician as Director of the Oxford University, UK Institute of Agricultural Economics, Colin Clark, simultaneously advised in 1964 but without also example Pope Paul V1's Commission on Population and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation of his finding of "just about paripassu rate of growth of population [cf. marriage] and food supplies in the developing countries [cf. eucharist], Pope St Paul V1 on this reference point through only advice was not able to add "qualitatively equal" with "inseparable" for union and procreation in marriage in HV, 1968, 12. From his election on 13 March 2013, Pope Francis de facto corrected this omission of "qualitatively equal".

Schismatic behavior.

Michael Reyes, I believe that this Ordinariate role group was only able to have all its activities advantageously combined with all the activities of the roman catholic role group on Pope Francis de facto from his election on 13 March 2013 completing, particularly in the cases of alleged embezzlement by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others of procreation gift charity donations by helpers of the family within the family and the "Zan" bill before the Italian Parliament as an unacceptable risk if passed of fraud on union need of identities of family members of valid and proper marriages, Pope St Paul V1's Encyclical Letter: "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12: marriage has: "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation" by adding "and qualitatively equal" with "inseparable".

I attend mass there! I agree with you - beautiful liturgy, church, and community.

I was taught to say it that way in the 90’s at University of Dallas in a masters theology program.

@YAJUN YUAN both. Abuses have been corrected before.

He's trotting out basic historical falsehoods. For example, he says the Council of Jerusalem is consistent with the Immaculate Conception, but Decree 6 says the Theotokos has Original Sin. Roman Catholic dogma is that the Theotokos did not have original sin. Roman Catholics should not rely on a casual relationship with truth to make their case.

​@@cyriljorge986​​What are you talking about? The Council of Jerusalem is found in Acts 15, there is nothing even remotely close to the lie that the Theotokos, the Mother of God and ever-Virgin Mary "has original sin" as you've asserted. Where are you getting your information?

Saint Bonaventure, pray for us!

It’s so strange many people are saying the TLM people are very snarky and prestigious but I have been going for years now and have not witnessed it even once

@@roseg1333 I didn't reference TLM, just Latin-rite Catholics.

@@paulthehanna I’m currently a catechumen at an Orthodox Church but keep trying to decide whether I want to go through with it or go Catholic instead, would you mind if I asked for the reason/reasons you decided to convert?

@@michaelvigil3436 send me a PM

travisinsiam, I hope this material that I offer you as follows gives you both eucharistic procreation gift of food and marriage need of union as population "food for thought" as inseparable and qualitatively equal. To 'out occult' "knowing good and evil" (RSV Genesis 3:5) in do-ing gift procreation role as a helper of the family within the family and 'be-ing' in need of union identity as a valid and proper family member of a valid and proper marriage, one must not know one's role and identity but keep or allow in uncertainty of belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of one's role and identity to exercise an absolute power of authorisation of applications of procreation role ensuring and union identity insuring. If Matt Fradd in another person's post stating Matt Fradd "had him on! in a vernacular sense of fooling him in referring to Dr Kappes, was a valid and proper family member of a valid and proper marriage he exercised an absolute power of authorisation to have Dr Kappes "on" by out occulting the occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, falsehood of Dr Kappes position on the Immaculate Conception. Dr Kappes' faulty, I believe, both Mariology and Christology is revealed in Matt Fradd consciously or unwittingly drawing out the error in the position of Dr Kappes on the Immaculate Conception of Mary that in error is consistent with I believe false roman catholic role group dogma. Roman catholic role group thinking about "Conception" is in error up to Pope Francis (who from his election on 13 March 2013 has been prudently correcting this error) in either not understanding or acknowledging the 'qualitative equality' of "procreation and union" in marriage in only asserting they are "inseparable" (Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12). This thinking is infected by the C13th AD St Thomas Aquinas holding that faith and reason were only inseparable and not also qualitatively equal as required for believing as in uncertainty the keeping or allowing of the inseparability and qualitative equality of thinking reason and having faith. After economist and statistician as Director of the Oxford University, UK Institute of Agricultural Economics, Colin Clark, simultaneously advised in 1964 but without also example Pope Paul V1's Commission on Population and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organisation of his finding of: "... just about paripassu rate of growth of population [cf. marriage] and food supplies in the developing countries [cf. eucharist]", Pope St Paul V1 on this reference point through only advice was not able to add "qualitatively equal" with "inseparable" for union and procreation in marriage in HV, 1968, 12. From his election on 13 March 2013, Pope Francis in not knowing his role and identity but in uncertainty believing in their inseparability and qualitative equality de facto corrected this omission of "qualitatively equal" by exercise of his absolute power of authorisation in the out-occulting of the occult evil of this omission by his simultaneous authorisations on or about 10 June 2021 of applications of observation measurement terms by his Vatican state Secretariat of State in the cases of alleged embezzlement by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others of procreation role gift charity donations by helpers of the family within the family (presently on indictments before Pope Francis' Vatican state civil court) and of alleged unacceptable risk of fraud on need of union of identities in valid and proper marriage in the case of the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament (defeated in early November 2021).