Suddenly this movie was next in line! A tale about a knight and his pals! so why don't you gather round and listen close to the lads having a bit of fun with a movie most would easily recommend! Edited by Goger
@@jaybluff281 Thou should careth even more about ye lessons of Ye Don (Kino Be Uponeth Him), for _“He who Kekblocks thy fellow Massive with Fig-O-Tree, is an even bigger Massive and fulleth of Tism”_ Yet, thou art factually correct in yer assessment and therefore, ye proper edition has been done. Much obliged, and Don blesseth thee
When I watched this movie when I was younger my thoughts were always "Why does he like that lame girl? the blacksmith lady is waaay better!" All these years later, watching this again, I feel totally vindicated lol
yeap the blacksmith and the servant girl are way better, usually in this type of movies the MC realises that the high maintenance girl is not worth it and goes for the girl thats down to earth
Yea but the whole point was he wasnt a noble and he not only became a knight and a champion but he got the noblewoman. It's like in a highschool movie from the 80s where the nerd beats up the bully and gets the cheerleader instead of his cute artsy friend that was there the whole time
Yeah, the one thing keeping this movie from being higher on my own favorite list is the main woman. I don't know if it's the character or the actress. I think someone else could have made the character more playful and less b*tchy.
@@jlogan2228 Yeah, but that makes him look like a dick though, just like in those highschool movies where the cute artsy friend did everything right, but gets passed over because the nerd is insecure and only cares about the vanity element of dating the superficially attractive cheerleader... Makes the nerd look like a more pathetic person. Which is poetic, considering the *point* of the film was likely to try to make him NOT look pathetic... Good graphics alone don't make Last of Us 2 *good.* I ain't accepting that line of logic for *people* either...
Fun fact about this movie. The cast showed up 2 weeks early to get to know each other and other misc things. They ended up spending 2 weeks partying and drinking. Apparently filming was very smooth and everyone got along
The Shadbaiting fantasy aspects aside, this film does actually do a solid job of portraying tournaments as the huge sporting and entertainment events of the period, with the participants being top tier athletes and popular stars. It's relentlessly good natured fun.
I've never seen this full movie, and when they were getting to the bit where lady is asking the knight to throw a tournament for her hand, I would've bet *money* that this would be a turning point, where knight looks closer to home, to his friends who are actually sacrificing things and working to make *his* dream a reality, and he'd realize he does have love, but for them, as a family. Or you could indeed do a twist, and he and the blacksmith turn out to be the couple, and the romance there is born from how they've both had to fight to let their talents be recognized.
@@kylefrank638 ehh the lady blacksmith was kinda just the token tough girl that was in every 2000's film and his whole thing is wanting to be a knight and win jocelyn represents attaining true nobility. Plus guys in general want to pine over a princess not the female friend/fuck buddy
The scene where Alan tudyk loses it whilst saying he’ll “fong you.. and there will be much.. pain..” is one of my favorite moments in all movies I’ve seen
@@bZman agreed. Doom patrol season one is such a strange thing, but he is definitely the best villain of the series. That and his Joker in the animated Harley Quinn show is just fantastic. Really wish we would get him to play the role live action style.
@@bZman Tudyk is a national treasure. The entire "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!" monologue kills me every time. Much like the stegosaurus.
Fun fact. My dad walked out on this movie and demanded a refund because he thought it was going to be a historical movie. When they started stomping to queen he got up and left.
@@Genubath1 in his words he was fine with the soundtrack. It was the participation of the audience that made him go. "No this is not what I was promised'
I also LOVE the arc involving prince edward how willaim shows him mercy in one tournament, then shows him respect saying yea i know youre the future king but i know you also want to joust and dont want to just be handed the win so out of respect i will give you my all, and then it comes full circle where edward says you show mercy and you show courage and that is worthy of knighthood
"why are they roasting a boar at this time, by the time it's ready it's going to be midnight" Never had a 1am Kabab after a night out? Whoever is roasting that boar is going to make bank.
@@kraven94365 I have gone out to the bars with friends, it isn’t my scene. It’s always noisy and we have to basically shout to talk. It’s not what I call a good time. Though I know my college compatriots love 1am food after partying. I also can’t handle alcohol. I’m throwing up for 12 hours the next day if I get drunk. So your advice is good, I have gone out, but it didn’t jive with me.
Very popular in the Philippines. Goes great with Beer and they do a type of baste made with Coca-Cola and Sprite and chilies that’s just to die for. Best $100 I ever spent.
@@wangusbeef86 I'm just spewing here, but in the context of "Fair lady" I think that's true, but I hear people say "fair knight" and they arent referring to visual appearance, so maybe its just a honorific?
About the music, that was actually the exact point. They picked these songs to give the audience the FEELING of what wouldve been the mood in the stadium. They *_obviously_* didnt play Queen in the 1500s (or whenever this is supposed to take place) But the feel and atmosphere in the arena would have been the same as IF they did play "We will rock you"
good music can make or break a movie (entertainment) in this 1 i say the music was good. in modern horror movies im more scared by the sounds and music than whatever the fuk happens on screen
i think the music actually kind of helps, considering the vibe the movie's going for, honestly. This isn't supposed to be a period drama, it's supposed to just be a fun sports movie that just so happens to be about jousting. The movie's clearly not taking itself too seriously, so even as a massive history nerd i'll happily give them suspension of belief.
It's actually refreshing to see you guys reacting to good films. It still feels surreal to me that this movie about jousting which has Queen and David Bowie in the soundtrack is actually one of the more historically accurate movies lol.
I mean, a soundtrack is just a soundtrack. It'd be like saying it's strange the Lion King had Elton John's music in it just because they're animals and, therefore, can not actually preform musical numbers in a human language.
I am surprised that they didn't understand the scene with the dance, where Count Adhemar calls out Ulrich to show some dance from Gelderland to embarrass him. Ulrich is obviously caught off-guard and since he only knows the dance he learned that day in the stables, he starts to demonstrate similar moves but clearly doesn't know what to do next. Jocelyn quickly understands the situation and saves him. When she steps in front of him and claps, it's cue for everyone that Ulrich's "demonstration" is over and they'll do the dance that everyone knows, which starts with this pose and clap and is the very dance Ulrich learned that day so even he knows what to do. I really like the scene because it shows how mean and petty Adhemar is, how out of his depth Ulrich can be in these situations and that Jocelyn is merciful.
Look, I'm a girl and I hate the way Joseline's actions are pardoned as "girls will be girls". The things we do for love! No! It's not romantic to make your partner beat himself up half to death to prove his love for you. Normal people hate to watch a stranger get hurt, let alone someone you love.
@@BumfluffAddlepate I never said it doesn't happen. I said it's a crappy thing to do. Men and women do stuff like this, telling their partners that they have to do something to prove their love. It's toxic and dumb
William is willing to die if he gets caught lying about who he is just to joust. William is willing to lance the prince at risk of injuring him which could land him in a lot of trouble. William is willing to take a beating to show he loves a woman. William is willing to get arrested and potentially die do to his pride. Mauler and Rags then think it is out of character for William to keep fighting after Adhemar cheats?
I think it might have been a bit of a misunderstanding. Mauler was arguing that William was being stupid rather than inconsistent. Or at least that's how I saw it.
If William dies, Adhemar wins. They can't *prove* Adhemar cheated during the first round if William takes all his armor off and gets run completely through in the next two rounds. The more damage William sustains, the more difficult it will be to prove that his injuries were the consequence of foul play, rather than simply a lack of skill (or William's INSANE choice to remove his armor entirely). P.S. Also, William being a pathetic simp willing to get throttled for the sake of an awful woman is not exactly a helpful point to bring up when trying to defend the quality of his character's *writing...* A character like William should have more self-respect than that.
@@eidolon1426 William isn't trying to prove Adhemar cheated. He wants to unhorse him. Will says this multiple times. William is willing to be battered for a woman. It shows he is willing to go to extremes for what he finds important. William thinks beating Adhemar on the field of play is important. He doesn't just want a technical victory. That's what Adhemar wanted when he tried to get Will disqualified. It's a helpful point in showing he puts his life on the line for things he wants even when it is unwise. I don't even understand how you thought your points were a valid counter. I wasn't defending the quality of his character. I was defending the consistency. Seems like you just wanted me to be wrong without figuring out why I might be wrong.
1:26:00 count Adamar beat William in Williams' second tournament after 1 month of training, then while Adamar was at war, William won a bunch of tournaments in a row, gaining a ton of jousting experience. I am not saying Adamar was 100 % sure he would lose, but he was clearly not confident he would win. If Adamar was sure of victory, he wouldn't have bothered to follow William and would not have seen Williams dad.
There's also the scenes where Adamar and his friends analyze Williams jousting as fearless and how adamars cohort says "on a horse with a lance that man is unbeatable"
I never felt he followed him to find a weakness or way to beat him, more that he suspected something wasn't quite right with Sir Um and wanted to find another way to publicly embarass him.
They unfortunately miss it but Adamar’s harold learning from Jeff how to spice up his introductions is a precious little mini-arc to me. “My Lords, my Ladies… and- all you other people..!”
While I'm not a fan of the character of Jocelyn overall, the "lose to prove you love me" is perfect for the movie. The simp/thot comparison doesn't work here because of motivations. Simps/Thots are looked down on because it is a largely one sided parasitic relationship where the unattainable goal is used to milk stupid men of their money for little to nothing in return. Jocelyn is clearly not entertaining throngs of men with a scam and William is forced to act against his own self-interest in a way that doesn't actually benefit anybody to prove a point. Actually... if there is a thot in this movie, it's William while the simps are his retinue. They largely put their money and well-being at risk for William's personal goal while he doesn't think about them at all (excepting Jeff's gambling debt). Any time the good of the group comes into question, William will often take the selfish path (like with losing the jousts or giving up swordfighting).
@@Neon-Puritan In fairness Rag's has the big gay, so him not understanding how femoids function is not surprising, and Mauler is too long for any woman to handle, so that explains his own ignorance.
Also, at that part in the film Jocelyn does not know who William is and thinks he is just another thirsty knight trying to seduce her. Which he kind of is... love at first sight is just lust afterall. So what's wrong with Jocelyn giving William an ultimatum before she is willing to pay attention to him? He doesn't have to do it and she doesn't lead him on for the rest of the movie. She actually seems to care more about William than he does about her. Oh well. At least Shad and Sargon defended her a little.
The music choice is purposefully done, and it's like Sargon was saying. The director said these tournies were the arena sports events of the day, and he wanted to convey that with the music. It is the same with the Bowie song at the dance. It's translated so that a modern audience gets the "vibe" (as the kids say), not necessarily the accuracy of it. It's a great choice and a strong creative decision.
Yeaaah you can edit copium masks on them all you want guys, but in that last bit at the end Shad and Sargon are completely right. William doesnt want a win by disqualification, he wants to BEAT him, definitively, it shows a clear difference in the characters of him and the badguy that William is willing to put his life on the line to prove he's worthy, while the Badguy would rather cheat than to risk even the possibility of losing.
Yeah imagine if the movie ended with William crying that the bad guy cheated. William fighting even when it is unwise to fits his character throughout the entire movie
Seriously. He stops doing the event he's best in because he only values tournament champion, and then when he wins after Adhemar forfeits, he says "but I didn't beat Adhemar so it doesn't count."
@@pulidoa1978They're in a big group riffing on it so I afford some mistakes. But they do get tangled in their own perspectives at times without considering alternatives. Their idea of William reporting Adamer to the authorities would work if William was the type to win at any cost, glory be dammed it's all about the W. But he's not and he's shown several times to make irrational decisions because he wants the honor, like him charging the Prince of Wales.
I am with shad and sargon on this one William is not logical, he is heroic and romantic. it's inline with his character to be willing to die to prove he's better than evil man even at a disadvantage Comparing the situation with lances To someone cheating with a gun in a swordfight doesn't account for it being a tournament with judges. The cheat, It's more subtle than that but ok, good meme.
I did not expect to agree with Shad the most, on this movie in particular lol. I honestly thought he would've found it way too anachronistic and non-realistic. I was very pleasantly surprised to find he completely gets this film, and knows what makes it so fun and how it approaches using the anochronisms as a way to link the modern audience to the scene more.
Especially since Adamar had been a massive dick to him, was going to take Jocelyn, and also as stated earlier he wouldn't REALLY be champion until he beat Adamar who was the only person he had lost to
Mauler and Rags have shown a consistent inability to escape the modern safety culture mindset. The other core values, liberty, purity, authority, loyalty, and fairness are all behind saftey/equality/care/harm(all the same core heidt moral axum) for them
@@eidolon1426?? What’s the point of this reply? You’re just insulting this dude for no reason? I get it’s the internet but you literally provide no substance. Just keep quiet will you.
The chemistry in this movie is insane. The actors are just a group of bros, the lady included. I seriously consider it one of my favorite movies because of how accidentally awesome it is.
LOL you can tell who the married men on the panel are. Not hating, btw. Just thought it was really funny to hear the lads bicker over the whole courtship subplot. It's a hot topic these days, and I enjoyed the way it weaved into their coverage. My heart says Shad and Sargon have the right of it. If the woman is chaste AND beautiful AND intelligent? She can demand A LOT from her suitors, and rightfully so. But my head says that if a chick asks you to wound your career and public image - and maybe even your literal body - she ain't worth it. No chick is. And MauLer raises a really good point, in that William's stunt could cost others their livelihood. It's not just his reputation and own life he's risking - its those of his friends. And that's fucked up. XD Also I loved the pure silence from the panel during William's reuniting with his father. That really is still a terrific scene. Not just because of its kickass performances from both actors, but because it really ties the movie together, past, present and future. It brings together all of William's development to a single point, and sets up his greatest challenge in the scenes to come. So narratively this scene just SLAPS. AND, as for the ending, I agree that Ademar's plan doesn't really make sense. You could've removed that part of this sequence, and the entire thing would still function. Especially when they find a way to get William to joust WITHOUT armor. That'd be insane enough against blunted lances. Why do they also need to be SECRETLY POINTY? Definitely an overstep, writing-wise. Anyway, A Knight's Tale has always been one of my favorites. Back when Hollywood movies still had that magic.
This used to be one of my favourite movies when I was a kid... I still enjoy watching it from time to time, and even though I tend to dislike comedies or romantic comedies more specifically, this movie still holds up decently well. Also, I'm not sure how that's possible but A Knight's Tale somehow managed to depict its medieval elements more realistically than some of the modern, big budget productions, even though it doesn't take itself seriously at all. Overall a very enjoyable piece of film.
William choosing to sacrifice is to prove to her that he will back up his words and prove that he is serious since it is easy to just say something. Once she has seen that she rescinds it and tells him to win.
Yeah, from Jocelyn's point of view William is just another thirsty knight trying to seduce her, so her ultimatum makes sense. Once she realizes William has genuine feelings for her she treats him well for the rest of the movie.
@@stevealford230 idk googling her not only was she an amazing looker (as showcased here ofc) but she has aged quite well, BB seems to have done a nice job making her up to match the insane and paranoid vibe of the character
@@mordirit8727 I'm not saying she was ugly... just that she didn't look familiar to me and certainly not like the gorgeous and well-built lady blacksmith. Maybe her acting (the character) or the way she was filmed or the way the wardrobe fit her made her unattractive to me... but I never connected that face or body to the one in this movie.
@@stevealford230it is def the haircut and the wardrobe bc Lydia is all business and incredibly uptight. Kate in this film is way more relaxed and laid back and has long beautiful hair and clothes that hug her figure more
@@stevealford230 oy mate you may not have been saying that but I was 100% saying Lydia was an ugly bitch lol Just good for the actress that it was basically all makeup and acting
Top 5 for me! Shad our hero, vindicating William! Iv'e only ever seen the extended version, and the paul bettany speech is ingrained in my memory, I can't believe they cut it! (ps. Iv'e done a horse mounted jousting experience with the company that does some of the HOTD jousting and horse stunts, and those lances will fuck you up even at half pace).
Mauler and Rags are wrong at the end. Makes sense for William to go that far. The guy is super into honor and virtue. He wants to beat Count Adamar by himself, not by cheating disqualification.
@watch-Dominion-2018 don't know. Cause its cheesy and corny. But I love it. I remember bringing a girl the cinema to see it and by chance ended up sitting beside my brother and his girlfriend.😂
Ragz and Mauler are 1000% wrong about the ending stakes of the film. It would be a massive let down if William won for tattling on Adamar. It's so much more satisfying to see the hero win, even when the villain is cheating to get a one-up on them.
And it's for that shallow reason that you fail to understand the great storytelling here. The film is even aware that her beauty isn't spectacular (the bit from Kate where she calls out Jocelyn's breasts for not being that impressive); however, in the very poetry scene wherein much of the "love story" is discussed, it's not purely about beauty. William and Jocelyn are both outsiders in many ways: William a peasant masquerading as a noble, and Jocelyn would be considered very shrewish and a black sheep for how she ridicules the church openly. More importantly, the film is trying to capture medieval romanticism wherein people sacrifice, rise above themselves, and perform in a way that considered honorable and worth embodying. This isn't GoT where sex and physical attraction is the root of every encounter, character motivation, or plot point.
You raise some good points. Where I think the EFAP crew has a solid argument is that the ending might be improved if the villain wasn't cheating, if his cheating wasn't obvious, and if William was shown to be slightly more reckless or egotistical earlier in the film. That all said, you could say the ending has problems and the movie has a few issues throughout but it's still a great, simple comedy.
Part of the hesitation is that the music is immediately shown to be "diagetic" as the audience is dancing and singing along with it. I'm fairly sure that was intended by the director to show how fun the music was at that time, and how 'new' it was because it actually was a time of musical advancement/experimentation.
Had to stop this video almost right away to watch the movie. It just looked too good not to experience firsthand, and damn, it's one of my favorites now too. It's essentially a total opposite of the garbage we get today where the superficial aspects are left somewhat intact while the core of a character or an entire setting is warped beyond recognition. Here, the writers take ample liberties with the former but actually respect the latter. That's why I'm with Shad and Sargon. Under all the jokes and anachronisms, this is still a medieval romance ballad about staying true to your ideals. William gave Adhemar his word, as a knight, that he would unhorse him next time they met. It would've made no more sense for him to win by citing rules than for Gawain to stand the Green Knight up or for Lancelot to find a less dangerous husband to cuck. It would be the rational thing to do, yes, but that's just not who they are.
I got this on DVD as a birthday present when I turned ten. I expected a cheesy knights and swords movie. Within the first ten minutes I was pleasently surprised. Still love this movie.
I’m so excited for this!!! Everyone loves a Knight’s Tale. It’s meant to be ridiculous but a good story. And I feel the gang will respect it as soon as Shad realizes the didn’t give a f*ck about historical accuracy.
The point of the "Proving love" is that he's WILLING to loose for her. But she would never demand he ACTUALLY loose for her, because that would be too much for him to bear
How do you know someone's willing to do something until they actually do? That said no jousting round is 14 runs long, 3 max, so it should have just been 3, more than that was excessive. After that he would have lost for her.
There was a time between 1999 and 2008 when Heath Ledger was the biggest heart throbe in Hollywood. Leonardo Dicaprio was stuck as the Titanic pretty-boy, even with all the help from Scorsese, but Heath meanwhile was heralded up with Day Lewis as the great method actors while also doing blockbusters and rom-coms. And even before being immortalized by the Dark Knight he was deemed with James Dean as the greatest 20-something actor in film taken too soon from us.
Wow thanks for waiting like a quarter of a year to review this movie EFAP. Fuck I have DREAMED of you guys doing a watchthrough of this even before the war arc. This is my favorite movie ever. Since I was a kid.
I think Mauler and Rags found the key point that convinced a lot of men to simp for a woman they like, while people can find it charming and romantic. In practice, it's having the man willingly sacrifice themselves for what they desire instead of thinking rationally what it would mean
@@Arphemius No it is not. Beating your opponent in spite of his cheating is the ultimate victory. Settle it as a man, not go crying to mommy. Honor is yours twice fold, and shows that true honor wins out.
@@BogaSlawa Ego and honor are two different concepts. Certainly the more handicaps you put on yourself, the more skill you need to have, that much is logical. However, honor is involved with virtue and duty. Exposing him as a dishonorable cheater is more important than winning, because it sets an example. As a man, not a child, swallow your pride and make him an example. Then you can request to fight him and win.
I really loved this movie growing up. Hopefully its as good as I remember. Edit: It was. Also at 17:20 to 17:30 that musical transition from the upbeat sorta festive tone to a more gothic religious one as they entered the cathedral was great. Love little details like that.
1:33:20 "I wouldn't be against, uh... maybe trimming scenes - a lot of them - and then... we end up with just a shorter run time. I dunno." -Mauler, the "Longman" Irony.
I love this movie my gran got me it when I was like 7 and it made me want to be a knight she also jokingly called the movie nanny's knights and I totally thought that is what the movie was called for like 2 years XD
The dancing scene actually has a deleted scene where Adamar freaks out because his plan to make Ulrich look stupid fell on its face. He mentions he's tone deaf and cant dance, sing, or play instruments.
It's so strange to see Mauler & Rags (& editor) dismiss the music/language argument when it's just objectively correct. It really feels like "I didn't like the music choice so it can't be good." Mauler even says "oh but you could justify so many other things with that argument." Like _what?_ Genuinely what? Historical movies, even good ones, are already full to bursting with anachronisms, why complain that one of them is actually well-explained and justified (and played for laughs) for once?
Yeah, they were wrong this episode. Always good to see a healthy back and forth, though I'm sad they didn't seem to understand Sargon and Shad's arguments.
A bit of trivia: This movie's home release was delayed because it was to be released right after September 11th, 2001. It was delayed because the home version had the trailer for Spider-man on it. That trailer was pretty cool, but it was removed from all platforms and caused the delay of this movie's release because it featured Spider-man webbing a helicopter in mid air right between the twin towers. The home release videos were already in hand for purchase and rent ahead of release. All videos were to be returned to the distributor and destroyed and a new version, without the Spider-man trailer, was quickly redistributed. I have the recalled version.
*War Arc Request: The 13th Warrior* An underrated gem, that Drinker will attest to, and one of my absolute favourites, think it would be a great fit for the channel.
I find myself siding with Shad. While there is definitely a case to be made for exposing the cheating, I don’t think that is how a man like William would want to complete the goal which he pursued with single-mindedness. William is a risk taker in pursuit of his aims. Even Adamar comments in the film that he does not avert his gaze while jousting as other nights do which is risky, but helps him keep his eyes on his target. Tons of other examples as well. That being said, totally understand where mauler and rags are coming from
For the type of film this is, the scene where William reunites with his Father is weirdly emotional, and very well preformed! Always got me in the feels when i was a kid!
If Rags an Mauler would have a point here in "Brain over believing what is the right thing to do (honor)"...literally not a single young man would have left the landing crafts on D-Day. They were called the greatest generation for a reason guys.
In no other movie can you see the Joker, Robert Baratheon, Steve the Pirate, and the Vision team up to fight against John Smith from Man in the High Castle.
I thought the cheating aspect was obviously easy to refute. You could easily UNO reverse that to make you look like a bad loser with stupidly thin armour.
Yea especially when they did make a VERY big deal about how the armor was too light and small and how even the other knights laughed at him for it til they saw him hop up on his own horse and then take the beating of several thrown matches
they'd already seen the armor work though and he's been using it for ages, also they could just use their eyes and see the wound and the hole in the armor obviously couldn't have been done with blunt wood.
@@moe5020 The lances were designed to shatter and splinter. It had took a pounding so no doubt had weaknesses. f you look at the design of medieval combat armour you see wood splinters were often like bullets, they could hit armour and shoot off into a weak spot which is why many pieces had additional raised ridges around the arms and neck region to help redirect shattered arrows and splinters.
@@Jack-uy7ie there is a hole in the breastplate though a splinter can't punch a massive hole through steel. They all immediately could tell the lance was tipped just by looking at it, the prince and all the other knights are all jousters they aren't dumb they could look at the pieces of the lance and the hole in the armor and immediately come to the same conclusion.
