Eibach or Geiser Raptor Springs?? 

Your attention to detail through all phases ( analysis, repair, reporting) are without reproach. I think I can safely state that you are the gold standard on youtube when it comes to content. Short, sweet, relevant material packaged in a way that all who seek pertinent info will find easily digestible, THANK YOU!

My man... Just purchased my first Raptor a few weeks ago and have been glued to your channel. Great content! Eibachs springs en route

Another great video, thanks for the review 👍

This was important because the forums were all over the place on how the two springs handled. Your review was more accurate because I know how you drive...A big thanks for all the extra time I know it takes to set up the video shoots and editing..

Thanks for the great info

Really great video thank you very helpful

Great video and I purchase a set of Geisers from TSW. Great info I thank you! God Bless

Great video! Thank you.

Great video Helio!

Great channel and video content. Just picked up my first Raptor, 2020. With the Eibach springs what leaf pack would you recommend I upgrade to? Don't tow or carry more than 200-300 pounds in the rear on occasion. Offloading is mainly fire roads with a lot of ruts and washboards. Stock springs seem to have trouble handling the washboards and truck tends to wheel hop and skip out a bunch. Interested in your recommendations. Great channel and video content.

I took your advice and purchased the eibach springs to keep it soft and level the truck out and it still rides great. I take the truck off road every other weekend and these worked out perfect. My only complain is the truck sits about 1/4" taller compared to the rear. I don't like other people working on my cars so I rented the spring compressor from orileys and boy let me tell ya that was sketchy compressing the eibachs lol

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AMAZING VIDEO!! I’d love to see your opinions on leafs for it!

Great video. Thanks for the real world input. It looks to me like the Live Valve shocks are not any good. Maybe they are ok for most drivers but you’ve clearly exceeded their capabilities.

The geisers did a slap wheelie after that 84mph jump

Great video and channel. Much more informative than a lot of the stuff I’ve seen online. Also another good part... no pissing matches!! Lol I drive my truck 99% of the time on the street at the moment and will be upgrading to the 3.0 LV when time permits me to use the truck for what it’s meant for. In the meantime, I want to add some height to the front but want to preserve the ride quality of stock. How do you feel the on-road manners of the Eibachs compare to the stock setup? I’m primarily interested in the ride quality and comfort.

Great video. I have the geissers and as of last week got Deaver hd 3. My problem with the geissers is how harsh they rebound over something like a speed bump. I actually have to drive slower over speed bumps then I did with the stock set up because of this. Other driving characteristics are fine. My friend got the rpg collars and his rides much smoother

6:57 landing with the front first might be the reason for the bunny hops, the jump seems shorter than the Geisers at 85mph. The gen1 had all wheels on the hip, left the hip, and landed almost at the same time. I think you can try them with the same jump and speed, also the spare tires because it may affect the center of gravity. Just a little bit of thoughts. Thanks for sharing this, I was thinking about the Eibach for my gen2 live valve, but questioning the performance.

overall which one is the better option for all around purpose? I also want more height so i can fit 37’s in the future. i pretty much do everything with my truck. looking for for new springs that add 2” height and provide a better planted feel and a soft feel on and off road.

One thing to note is on the Gen 1 Raptors the Eibach raise the front a lot more than the Geisers on low perch. Also, I had to take off the Eibachs and put on the Geisers because I was going through CV Axles due to the boots tearing. I talked to others on the Raptor Forums on Facebook and they said the same thing happened to them.

I am installing the Eibach’s in AM.

There is a big difference between the 2017 Gen2 suspension and the 2019+. While the 19+ have the live valve, it cannot keep up with the terrain offroad. Also, the Eibach springs were softened up quite a bit because people (parking lot drivers) complained about them being too stiff. Eibach makes some of King's springs and I can tell you that 540 is too soft. You need a 600/650 spring with the 3.0 to be able to get a better ride from the front while off-roading. Another thing to point here is that the Geisers are too tall. I lost count of how many tore up their CV boots with them on. Neither setup is ideal. When you start messing with the ride height, you change the entire geometry on the truck and you need to make sure that the UCA's, LCA, CV Shafts and Tie rods are properly matched up. One last thing to consider, on non-live valve and on the live-valve shocks, once you change the spring rate, the valving is not longer ideal for the setup. Great video as always.

Have you had any issues with the moon roof since you are running the truck pretty hard off road? I'm debating whether to go no moon roof or moon roof. Amazing videos, keep up the great work.

After doing a heck of a lot of research on this and watching all of your videos on this, I decided to improve my 2018 Gen 2 Raptor. When new, the dealer added RPG 2.25” collars to the front. I’m doing Icon’s Option 2 to the back, and Geisers to the front. The shop doing my work actually added the Geisers on top of the RPG collars, after being told to remove the RPGs and add the stock collar clips to the struts (why listen to a customer???). They broke SIX compressors (all at different offroad shops) trying to get these installed. They called me and told me that they were having a problem. I asked what kind of problem. They sent me pics. When I saw what they did, I went nuts. I told them to fix it and if the shocks are dead, they’re buying me new ones. They broke another compressor yesterday trying to get the springs and collars off!!! A week later, my truck is still out of commission. I saw a thread in here about a guy wanting to add collars to his Geiser springs. That would be a hard NO. The truck is un-drivable and dangerous. Not quite sure how this is going to work it’s way out…but the shop is going to try another compressor on Monday. UNREAL.

Great video, just what I was looking for, thanks. I'll wait till I see your video on the Geiser springs with the live valve shocks. Also, with the extra lift from these springs it changes the upper A arm angle correct? How or does this affect or limit travel or cause excessive wear? I know you could install a newer upper control arm but the you would need new wheels with a different offset for a Arm to tire clearance.

Great video! Between the Geiser’s and Eibach’s…have you tested on wet roads, and muddy conditions?

Waiting for the G springs review on the live wire

Great video thanks. Do you have any experience using collars with geisers? My truck was level with Icon leafs in the back and Geiser in front. But I recently added a winch up front resulting in the front sagging, thinking about adding icon collar or shim up front to level out. Curious what your thoughts are on that solution? (I can't afford new full suspension)

Nice video. Do you how know the eibach springs compare to stock in terms of off-road capability?

What about for a gen 1? Idk if you made another video. I’m stock on my terrain in SoCal. Had a black 2013 with fox 3.0 dsc and HATED them for daily.

Have you put the Geisers back on? Also i want my truck to be about an inch higher on the back. I have about 300 pounds I put in the back for offroading, so what deavers shoulder I get? also HD or regular?

When adjusting the pre load of a spring you most always play with valving to compensate. The stock shocks are valued for the stock springs. I had eibach springs on my 17 but was still unhappy with the shock valving.. with fox's internal bypass design there are 5 big bleed holes in the bottom shock body that don't really control the rebound valving at all,and doesn't allow any valving changes...went with the 3.0 oem king and they made a huge difference and turned it into a different truck..with the kings ibp there's 2 pistons and 4 shim stacks to let the owner really dial in the shock valving..way better shock in my opinion..

Do you need the hd cam suspension part when you install new springs ?

Can I put a 6” strut spacer on the Eibach? I am installing a 6” super lift on my 16 f150 I don’t want to use my factory struts I am looking at the Eibach pro truck adjustable Coilovers. Wondering if strut spacer will fit ontop.

so just a quick question, do the eibachs do worse off road than the stock 19+ springs? I dont really notice the bunny hopping with my stock raptor and i have eibachs on the way.

Any Geiser testing on Gen 1s? I do not want street ride getting worse. Just bought some and haven't installed them yet.

What would you say performs better offroad? Stock raptor or raptor with eibachs with Non-live valve shocks?

For mainly street performance, but with Icon Dynamics out back (400 lb setup) would the Geiser's be the way to go given the Icons and constant weight out back?

I’m curious where are the trails are you guys hitting? I’m looking for off road places to hit

Which shocks would pair well/better with an SDI E-click system? Stock springs(the ones I bought off a guy have RPG perch collars), Eibach, or Geisers at that point? And would I need to upgrade leaf springs with Deavers or Icons?

Only the factory spring is changed for the eibach? nothing else needs to be changed?

Did u ever do the geiser shock review with the live valve ??

For wear and tear stand point will i have problem having 3” rake? Which will wear out quicker my pinion for having a rake or installing eibach/geisers up front and wearing out the axle seals.

What about off-road performance on eibach vs stock?

I had the Geisers on my 17 Raptor. I blew a CV axle on the passenger side within 50 miles. Ford claimed it was due to the springs and wouldn’t cover it under warranty. I had to try another dealership to get it covered. Other than that, I loved the geisers. On my 20, I think the 3.0s are the way to go. A lot of coin but worth it

I have the 17 so no live valve and I honestly don’t feel the geisers are any tougher on the road than my stocks. However like you said off-road omg I can go so much harder on the trails and feel more confident and comfortable in the truck and I rarely bottom out in the front (ie hit the front skid plate) like I used to. I have the Deaver +3 HD in the back but like you have a crap ton of gear. Since you have been to deaver is it possible for me to add leaves to make my Deavers +4? Now that I have broken it in even without my gear I still sag a bit in the back.

Have you had issues with noise? I added eibach springs and am reading a ride height calibration will be needed to reset the live valves to 0. Currently, I hear a clunking noise on smaller bumps.

So with a 2019 raptor with live valve the 3 inch Geiser springs lifts the truck 2.5inch or 3 inches?

I’ve seen your videos on the SDI eclick system and being that this video is a couple years old, do you have any experience with these two springs in conjunction with the Elick system? I have an ‘18 raptor with Geisers and k02 37’s on it right now and love it but I’m going to be installing some gen 3 live valve take off and what to maintain the same stance/clearance. Not sure if I should swap over the geisers or go a different route in terms of eibachs, collars, or SDI’s new top hot.

That video of the Geisers at 85mph is misleading. Yes, it didn't bottom out. But it did pogo. Hard enough to lift the front wheels off the ground while the rear wheels stayed planted. And before someone says it was terrain, the rears stay on the ground. If it was an additional whoop/jump, they would have lifted as well. So the pogo is still there. And still strong. But the progressive rate of the Geisers did help prevent the front suspension from bottoming out.

Is the Geiser that really bad on road? I’m off road a lot, but really dont wanna give up the ride comfort on road either

This might be a dumb question but I’m a noob. If I buy the eibach springs is that all I have to buy to get it installed? No other parts or anything I need to be able to put them on?

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Serious question. Why not a fox 3.0 coilover?

What is the name of the ramps?

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