@@woofzynskier not true, she manipulated people and had a love triangle with both brothers knowingly, just like Katherine. Her humanity was on. She killed people and was mean with her humanity off, that’s all.
I wouldn’t compare Elena to Katherine. They’re no where near the same. Their actions and situations are so different. Y’all gotta pay closer attention to these characters cause no, Elena is not exactly like Katherine at all.
her uncanny ability to make everything about her astounds me. like her best friend's mother nearly died and she tries to draw the attention to the fact that she was there.
That is not true. Like at all. Because when Stefan was saving her, he saw that she looked EXACTLY like Katherine. And he didn't love her because of that. Because when he wanted to know how she looked like her, he learnt everything about her, so he didn't fall in love with her because of how she looks it was her personality. I mean he himself said "yes the Resemblance drew me in but she's sweet, she's warm, she's kind"
@@all_bangtan I mean, yeah, he didn't fall for her because of her looks, but I'm not sure if he would have really noticed her if she didn't look like Katherine.
@@anushkasarda5801 meaning he did sleep with Rebekah to hurt Elena and she just verbalized it. People hate Elena and quick to say she makes everything about herself but most of the time she either made an honest assumption or was right and it was about her.
@@olavihekandjo2928 but she didn't have the right to question him bcs she slept with Damon already so, it was obvious he'd act out. What else was he supposed to do lmao
Killing that waitress was literally so stupid even for a vampire who has their humanity off. Thats why Caroline literally had more control tham any of them.
It bothered me how they tried to control Caroline, and tell her how to deal with her grief. When she turned off her emotions, she was doing fine before they started bothering her about it.
Yeah, emotionless Elena was running and drinking fellow students, collecting memorabilia and simply bloodthirsty too risky. While the worse Caroline did on her own accord? Dismantling Stefan's motorbike 😂 We all forget that vampirism emphasises who you are (which is why Caroline run three commitees instead of one 😉) and humanity switch separates you from feelings. But you can still choose your actions, what is wrong or right. In short - Caroline was good to the core.
when she did ever get mad at stefan for moving on? you call her a monster for not being able to choose, but when she finally chose damon, and supported stefan’s relationship with caroline, you have a problem with that too?
@@gm.8805 lmao you're everywhere defending her actions. she was clearly jealous of stefan moving on with rebekah, katherine. stefan dancing with Caroline bothered her even when she had no humanity. she was jealous of tessa too. not to mention she led an amnesic stefan on and almost kissed him- while she's supposed to be "deep in love" with damon. the problem isn't her doing all this. it's her hypocrisy when someone else does it. it doesn't take half a brain to understand that
@@huh4206 lmao and you’re everywhere trying to bring elena down. stefan was insecure and jealous as heck when she wasn’t even dating damon, elena has every right to be concerned with stefan sleeping with rebekah, an original vampire who has betrayed them before. secondly, she was never jealous of stefan sleeping with katherine. and it’s clear that it was stefan that tried to lead her on, when she spent an entire day helping him regain his memories. that was probably the only time she’s got led on by stefan while dating damon. if i point out the crazy number of times elena has flirted with damon/ almost kissed him, while she was with stefan, it would be a never ending list. also one of elena’s main qualities is literally forgiveness. she only “bent her morals” for damon once, and then again, trying to believe that there’s a part of him that can do better from next time. you never saw her use the sentence “bent my morals” ever again in the series. especially in season 6.
@@gm.8805 Stefan was single and Elena was with Damon she had NO right to be mad. She was with the guy who killed her brother Elena is a pick me and makes EVERYTHING about her Rebekah is better than anyone else in her family Katherine is Stefan soulmate and Tessa was smothering him but guess what? HE WAS SINGLE SHE BROKE UP WITH HIM SHE HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHO HE SLEEPS WITH
@@Depress.ed_Mvsic as if dating stefan would be any better, because she’s with a guy that almost killed her twice and stalked her for months? and how tf is elena a pick me if everyone just picks her. the problem is, stefan is stooping to elena’s level if he’s sleeping with an powerful 1000 year old original vampire. so technically they’re both equal, right? because they both slept with different ppl after they broke up?
@@ahogesupremacy Agreed. Katherine made it clear that she was out for herself and she’d kill or betray anyone in her way. Elena was worse because she tried so hard to portray the innocent girl next door when in reality, she was the true monster. The worst monsters are the wolves who wear sheeps clothing.
@@ahogesupremacy honest? Katherine and honest? Lmaooo Elena is a good human being. If that all traumatic events didn't happen she wouldn't be like that. She would have a normal life with Bonnie and care on her side.
@@T207ra Elena and Bonnie both treated Caroline like crap 90% of the time during the beginning of the show. If Caroline hadn't turned and grown more as a person (less dependent on validation) Elena and Bonnie still would have treated her poorly. It just would have been covert most of the time, Elena did get worse due to all of her trauma but they hint that Elena was still pretty self centered before Damon or Stephan even entered her life. That's normal all things considered. However, Elena lacked character development for most of the show. So even though she wasn't horrible as the show went on she her lack of growth and personal accountability made her look worse. Human Kathrine was likely a lot time pre-orphaned Elena once Kathrine was turned she didn't have anyone looking out for her and became meaner and darker as time went on.
Rebekah was never in the wrong, she was labeled as a villain because of her family, when in reality she could’ve made a great ally if they treated her well. But they did not.
@@harmaniisahri5930I’ve never once seen people say that? Do you just treat people like shit until they do something for you? Because that’s the thing we’re hating on Elena for
The " It's Stefan, it's always going to be Stefan" line Elena said to Damon had me rolling my eyes after I rewatched this show since Elena and Damon end up together. Turns out Elena is also liar.
@@anoushkaramakrishnan4582 Elena is a liar since she chose to be with Damon and that proves it. It doesn't matter that she was 17 since she was not a child, she was a teenager, since she switched brothers, she shouldn't have said those words.
Ashley Young it’s not Elenas fault after she became a vampire her feeling changed she isn’t a liar if only she was a human and Stefan didn’t go with klaus it would be Stefan and always Stefan
@@anoushkaramakrishnan4582 With these kind of shows, age means nothing. We can’t bring age into this argument because it just won’t stand. Elena was a liar. She fell for both brothers and kept it to herself until she was alone with Damon while Stefan with was Klaus and made her move.
The reason why Katherine is so much more loved is because she owns her shit and is not pretending to be innocent. Elena on the other hand has done a lot of messed up shit as well, but then proceeds to act so innocent and self-righteous, as if she is the victim 🙄
I never thought of that parallel like she gets to lecture Jeremy about dating a ghost that is like actually there but it’s ok for her to date a literally imaginary Damon🤦🏻♀️
Um how was she supposed to know. When literally everyone made shit about her, or acted out after something happened with her. Elena even told Stefan that he revolved his entire life around her.
@@skylargreen2078THIS! EVERYONE made it all about her when she wanted the complete opposite, thus putting her through unnecessary & painful shit she wouldn’t have otherwise gone through, then turn around and accuse her of making it about herself when she brings up things she’s gone through because of them making about her & not listening to or respecting her when she makes it about them. Like, seriously, you don’t listen to her when she’s making it all about you, then throw her trauma in her face when she’s relating to you/ trying to communicate with you the only way you’ve listened to her for years, and you think she’s doing it because she likes it or is selfish or narcissistic or something-she’s literally trying to communicate with you the only way you’ve let her for years now it’s a problem because you can’t stand her way of communicating anymore.
@@ramlaabdi2272 Actually, there’s nothing wrong with hurting if your ex throws this line in your face; it undermines the authenticity of every fucking fraction of second of your relationship. In Elena’s case, it was her first foray into something she genuinely thought was true romantic love; then he pulls this undermining the whole thing shit… more than once. Stefan is that guy, the one who makes himself the centre of your universe while you’re together, more or less love bombs you, then treats you like shit the second things get hard, then when you leave & start to move on but still care about them because they were a huge part of your life they lash out even worse and will say & do anything to drive you so crazy you only feel sane when you’re with them. No one deserves that kind of mind fuck; our relationship was founded on a lie, actually it was all real, I love you, actually I don’t give a damn, hang on yeah I do because I don’t want you even thinking about moving on from me for real… it’s abusive, especially when you add in the ‘you know nothing’/‘I’m always right’ tone or similar words used to cause you to question your ability to see the reality of a situation for what it is. Stefan does this to Elena even more so once they’re separated than he does when they’re together, but he does do it when they’re together. Elena read the situation for what it was, he couldn’t deal with it so instead of just telling the truth he lashes out further & says gaslight-y things like ‘you just don’t know what I look like when I’m not in love with you’ in a tone that suggests she’s going crazy; she has every right to be hurt by that, especially because he says it to make her mad & make her hurt after it’s made clear to him that she’s not hurt by the act initially as she still knows him and has learned to expect revenge acts when she gets out of line. She knows both Salvatore Bros will stoop to ridiculously petty behaviour when she starts to assert herself & act on her own thoughts, desires whatever when it stops benefiting whichever of them feels more butthurt by the process of her asserting her independence.
I literally hate Elena for "killing" Rebekah after making her believe she was her friend and acting like she was gonna let her dream of going to prom come true (I think that's what it was) Edit: I know she's had her reasons and that many other characters have done horrible things as well. I don't condone them. But that doesn't make me like Elena any more
@@hihowuaree I know, I don't mean to imply that she's the only one who does bad things but I just generally don't like her, like her whole personality..
Rebekah made the best point when she said “maybe were not as different as everyone’s making us out to be…” the only difference is that Rebekah is badass, Elena is just irritating 😂
6:17 I will never get over the fact that Elena stormed out of the room so called freaking out about how Liz almost died in her arms. But as soon as Damon touches her face she like oh no I’m not freaking out anymore so I’m just going to make out w/Damon real quick while my best is friend is just down crying next to her sick mother RIGHT DOWN THE HALL.!!! Like wtf did she not feel bad at all!?!?!!??
@@raniyahtaylor3905 no i didn't but neither do you Elena haters with repetitive Elena jokes so why can't i make fun of Stefan for his annoying "im a ripper" quote and him turning off his emotions in the show for about 1000000 times at least Elena turned off her emotions because she was sired to Damon and he told her and it was only once
@@ssxattention7457 and what about it? Stefan had reasons to turn off his emotions and most of them were because of ELENA, and he’s right, he is a ripper, which wasn’t a good thing so you say it as if he used it as an excuse or something 😂. Stefan is wayyy better than elena, at least he’s real. She’s just a slut who fell in love with his brother when she had no business being that close to him🤣. You’re Stefan joke was corny. At least the elena jokes are real lol.
idc, Elena literally not being physically able to process the fact that Stefan is completely over her and does not give a shit anymore at 2:33 will forever be the funniest scene. you can see her mind literally freeze at him saying he really doesn’t care.
I find Elena's treatment of Rebekah aweful and Rebekah's hatred of Elena so justified. You murdered her family and daggered her after pretending to care, no wonder she hates you.
Umm...Rebecca and her brother were after Elena's life ...u expect her to be besties with Rebecca ? All she did was dagger her to save her own life ...whats so awful about that ? That rebecca missed her prom ?
@@amrita2338 not at all but I expected SOME class or you know compassion from the character who apparently was compassionate and allegedly cared so much . Rebekah started to trust Elena and she daggered her then wasnt allowed to be pissed about it because for some reason Elijah gave a damn about Elena. Its hard to continue to like a character or respect their choices when they do not then extend that understanding or the compassion (that was basically her entire character) to others.
@@daniellesequeira8201 Her own brothers daggered her for less serious reasons...isnt it a bit too much for Rebecca to want to be friends with the very person her brothers are trying to kill ?I love her in originals but in tvd she was acting like a spoilt brat. Anyway she did something even worse to Elena so there is no justifying her
@@amrita2338 Lmao did we watch the same show? Yes 100% agree she was kind of a bratt in TVD but so was Elena. And yea of course she did that to Elena it was Elena or her family died. She did what every character in TVD did, whatever it took to save her family's lives. She has a love hate relationship with her family but family has been her only constant she even says it in TO giving up on her family is like losing a part of herself. I am paraphrasing in that but you get what I mean. To be fair to her a lot of the show is based around what they called "team good guys" (dont agree with that at all) and we dont truly understand their bond till TO. And again I never liked Elena I think shes a selfish person and that she did not deserve that happy ending. Bonnie did and Caroline definitely did. I would have liked for her and damon to have met on the other side had they both passed on and found peace together like they did with lexi and stefan.
Ok ...i understand u dont like her...i'm not completely on her side either she did bad things too but i dont blame her for daggering Rebekah. How can u expect her to show class and respect to someone who's after her life ? That is what i'm trying to convey..Elena is no angel but her stabbing Rebekah was a whole plan on which a lot of others were also involved
On the one hand I think everyone forgets that Elena does not turn off her humanity by her own choice, Damon told her she will turn it off and she did it by the sire bond
@@thisnigerianlovesdrinkingg4522 it's proves how she is much stronger then your precious cry baby Stefan who turned his humanity the most damn what a pussy
of course because she was literallly portrayed as the "saint" which is why it was more frustrating cuz she obviously wasn't and everyone's lives literally revolved around her
Honestly, I have no idea how Rebekah, Klaus or any other original didn’t kill her she was literally a human trying to kill the most powerful immortal creatures in the world Her and Jeremy actually killing kol was the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen like dude come on
Facts. Like I would hate when they would have soooo many chance to kill Rebecca. Like quit talking and rip her head off before the brothers come save the day
If anything the Salvatores are pick mes... the bent over their backs to try and desperately impress her and get her and let Elena string them along like toy...
@@swiftie4ever2010 she was a teenager girl who accidently got stuck in the middle of 100+ year old Vampires. She's obv gonna be scared to loose either of them, which she says in 3x21, bc she's already lost so money people, which is why she didn't choose at first.
7:54 I love how Elena is talking about how “there will be consequences” to two guys who are much faster, stronger and more experienced, yet somehow don’t just grab her and throw her in the mansion’s cell until she calms down.
The fact that she was trying to make Stefan look bad for having a thing with Rebecca was a joke. Elena is so self centred. Damon literally attempted to kill Jeremy twice and, in season 1 he tried to kill Bonnie
Sucks what her character turned into. I liked her during the first two seasons. But season 4 made me hate her cause she was so unlikable and obnoxious.
Honestly saaaameee. She was OK character ealry in the show but I hate s4 so so much. If it wasn't for the plot armor for main characters they would all be dead so long ago
I disliked Elena after she had Damon compel Jeremy to stop grieving and then had the audacity to be upset that he was angry about it afterwards. I can't even remember if she told him or he found in her diary since he was looking for answers. Then she turned around and had Damon compel Jeremy to Denver and straight to Kol, as if she hadn't learned from it. Elena was always selfish and controlling, even in the earlier seasons. It's just when she became a vampire she became even worse.
Elena: “Stefan, what are you doing with Rebekah? She tried to kill me!” Literally everyone she knows: “Elena, what are you doing with Damon? He tried to kill me!”
Katherine became what she was because of her being disowned, her whole family being killed and having to survive for 100's of years and no doubt elena went through tough stuff too but she always had someone to help her but Katherine had to do it all on her own for a really long time without turning off her humanity, katherine became who she was cause she had to to survive but elena always had someone helping her even when she screwed them over time and time again.
Not to mention Katherine had to give up her own baby, not even got to hold her once, Klaus tried sacrificing her and she has to run for like 100s of years and her family got killed.
Caroline's mum: almost dies Elena: Yeah but she almost died in ✨MY ARMS✨ I need a hug now cause ✨ i was ✨ there. I saw it with ✨my eyeballs✨ did i mention that she almost died in ✨MY ARMS✨?? Kiss me.
elena makes the show so much harder to watch, especially since carelonie and bonnie (who never gets any credit and is left all alone in a prison world for like months) are so much more interesting
"I am not Katherine" - absolutely right. You are worse than her. You do the same things she does with the only difference that Katherine knows that she's bad while you're pretending to be an angel
Can we talk about the whole ‘Turning off the humanity switch’ trope and how it fell through in season 6? I’m not against Elena trying to talk Caroline down from turning her humanity switch off because…every time someone turned it off crazy s**t happened. It didn’t make sense that the writers decided to make one vampire out of _thousands_ be able to control themselves without their humanity. It’s just not realistic because how was Caroline able to contain herself? Having no humanity in this universe is similar to not having a conscience. If Caroline no longer has a conscience to prevent reckless behavior then…how was she able to stop herself from being reckless compared to the others when they turned it off…? The way Caroline was acting with “no humanity” was basically how any normal person would act if they desensitized themselves from pain and suffering. So…there was no point for the writers to have her turn it off. Imo, the only reason they wrote this was to show the audience that Stefan, Elena and Damon could’ve controlled themselves without their humanity if they really wanted to. But again, within this universe that’s _not realistic_ and makes _no sense_ . The whole point of losing one’s humanity is to do dangerous and evil s**t. If they were capable of controlling it then there would be no point to turn it off in the first place! Sorry for the rant but I needed to get that out cause no one else ever talks about it.
Because she may not have a conscience anymore but she still cares about her own self preservation she knew that acting recklessly would put her in undesirable situations every vampire without a humanity still wants to be left alone like Elena from the clip above and Damon when he locked Lexi on that roof so if not being reckless kept coralline from being bothered or having to compel police men to ignore her murders she’d choose to act normal all the other characters didn’t care about the consequences and how that may affect them later on
because turning off the humanity was just an excuse honestly. like it turned off the emotions so you didnt feel bad about anything but that was the difference between caroline and the rest of them. Caroline didnt have a desire to hurt people or see people punished. Damon hated everybody, stefan hated himself because he was weak and couldnt control his self so he created his ripper self self so he didnt have to take responsibility. elena wanted the world to pay for what happened to her. They all had vendettas caroline just didnt seem to want the world to burn
This whole humanity switch is a huge mess as a theory, because one can FEEL pleasure - so you switch off the bad things but positives stay? Or when Caroline forced Stefan to join her on her reel and had sex with him - she wanted that for revenge (so she had hurt FEELINGS) or because she felt lust? It was like Caroline said: " I turned off my feelings, not my brain". She could still decide what was more profitable and what would bother her after switching on. Caroline was master of self control and she proved it. And she didn't mind her friends being around and having fun with her, checking up on her. If she had messed up, even slightly, she would give in and go to rehab.
@@deneysiasmith9523exactly! Turning off your humanity is about your feelings, but you still have a moral and ethics. After all, good people aren’t good just because they have feelings, but for knowing the difference between wrong and right.
can we talk about the fact that Nina is such a great actress that she made us hate the main character but love Katherine who is supposed to be a villain?
Elena as a vampire gave NOTHING!! She was just bitchy, and confused. At least Katherine has unshakable determination to get what she wants. She truly had this self confidence about her, that was inspiring!
Every time I see that scene with Rebekah crying I just start crying on the inside and tearing up on the outside and I keep saying to my phone “Go away Elena! Go away!”
Katherine knows what she is and she doesn't want to hide it, but elena is that one girl who is guilty but tries to act innocent and has to get saved all the time cause she is too weak
This! Like, seriously! Quit it with the hypocrisy, Anti’s! Elena’s literally just doing what Katherine would to survive or Rebekah would to protect her loved ones, but go off on Elena for doing this for BOTH of those reasons, because… it, what, shows Elena isn’t the paragon of virtue Stefan & co. pedestal her as despite her being open about not being perfect just trying to be better than she used to? It shows she can be ruthless & cunning if NEED be (wake up, her daggering Elijah season 2 & double crossing Villain Damon season 1 already showed that)?
@@jessicadangerfield1539difference is, Katherine owns it and admits she's a bitch. Elena hurts others and then acts all innocent and self-righteous. At least Katherine doesn't blame the victim of her actions like Elena does.
That’s the difference between a villain and a hero… we want the villain to villain, that’s what makes it interesting. If the “good guy” does something horrible and THEN tries to act innocent and defensive and hypocritical it’s just annoying. I don’t think the fathering moment was a big deal but in other moments, like yeah, ppl like being entertained by a good villain over a backwards protagonist
