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Elite Dangerous : Odyssey Alpha - POI gameplay 

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After scanning a planet with DSS it revealed two crash sites.
Shows new Odyssey POI gameplay, not from missions

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@TheHongKongHermit
@TheHongKongHermit 3 года назад
Yeah, this is the kind of thing I wanted from space legs. Land, bit of a gunfight, do a bit of salvage, return to the stars. Enjoyed this a lot.
@DavidKnowles0
@DavidKnowles0 3 года назад
Hopefully we get large ship wrecks to explore.
@TheHongKongHermit
@TheHongKongHermit 3 года назад
@@DavidKnowles0 Oh yeah, both as crash sites on a planet, and as floating wrecks to EVA in space. I can see those most likely rolling out in a later stage of Odyssey though, once they've figured out the internal layouts for those ships. (I still believe walking around ships will be a thing, the only question is when. I'm cool with this stuff coming in phases, I still remember empty cockpits and no planet landings. It's developing nicely as a space sim sandbox.)
@gamerx112
@gamerx112 3 года назад
I feel the sarcasm.
@golden2420
@golden2420 3 года назад
Reminds me of when I first watched guardians of galaxy haha wish there are more random events.
@resonant6
@resonant6 3 года назад
i want that thing too like a find crash sites or old little settlement to explore but i think star citizen has more potential about that things you can exit from your ship in space thats cool
@IceManGav1
@IceManGav1 3 года назад
No mans sky was first, star citizen is rough, but this is it. This is the space Sim to rule them all
@heramaaroricon4738
@heramaaroricon4738 3 года назад
One Simulation, to rule them all.
@expressrobkill
@expressrobkill 3 года назад
Eh, no mans sky does allot more than flight. The planets feel like the have a purpose, and multiplayer is now the biggest part of the game.
@seanwarren9357
@seanwarren9357 3 года назад
It's fair to say SC doesn't deserve the comparison quite yet.
@nko7125
@nko7125 3 года назад
@@expressrobkill yes but for space sim, there's nothing for driving simulation, it's just go foward, shoot, landing
@seanwarren9357
@seanwarren9357 3 года назад
@Tookair Look around, earth is a gem in the rough. The special thing about Elite is nature, and the spectacle in VR... The scale and scope in Elite is the real draw, 3xplorati9n is fantastic. That said, games are what you make of them, quite often, and while got it's terrible parts, it's not utterly lacking. It's okay though, noone is forced to play it and I for one will be holding off on Odyssey until, if and ever they implement VR features for it, as I'm not interested in taking my headset off to play it.
@WebHead1996-1
@WebHead1996-1 3 года назад
I can't wait to be a Mandalorian lol but I'm loving the gameplay and the ship scale so if they ever add the feature to walk in your ship and explore it, it will be realistic honestly can't wait
@harag9
@harag9 3 года назад
Nice, looks like it's going to be fun out in the black when you see these sites now. Thanks for sharing!
@Ebolaface
@Ebolaface 3 года назад
Elite Dangerous: Make great base game, keep perpetually improving Star Citizen: Never make game, perpetually improve the idea of game
@SPZ23
@SPZ23 3 года назад
ah yes because people cannot enjoy both, fanboys are nothing but trash!
@matteoste8426
@matteoste8426 3 года назад
dunno different games for different tastes, i prefer sc over ed feels more simulatie and detailed, would enjoy the arcadines of ed
@Ebolaface
@Ebolaface 3 года назад
I'd love to enjoy the game I bought in 2015... when it comes out??
@synconjon7534
@synconjon7534 3 года назад
i prefer star citizen tbh
@wendake215
@wendake215 3 года назад
Nice ! I'm very happy to see this kind of random events in POIs ! =D
@Akm72
@Akm72 3 года назад
True, but if it happens exactly the same every time it would be far too predictable.
@1-Peter-4
@1-Peter-4 3 года назад
Those sound effects are so sick! can't wait to play this game
@chadvader974
@chadvader974 3 года назад
Why are there random npcs walking aimlessly in the middle of nowhere
@ksawery6568
@ksawery6568 3 года назад
Welcome to Elite: Dangerous
@ghekor
@ghekor 3 года назад
Looked like a crash site so probably something to do with that?
@TroLLoughlin
@TroLLoughlin 3 года назад
Just popped out their ship for a smoke
@ksawery6568
@ksawery6568 3 года назад
@@TroLLoughlin "Well goddamnit Bobby, there's no oxygen on this planet! This just keeps getting better and better"
@Wh4tUneeD
@Wh4tUneeD 3 года назад
Really hope they work on the AI. Looks amazing other than that though.
@samuelbrice3699
@samuelbrice3699 3 года назад
I feel like higher rated bounties would be more dangerous?
@herrlogan17
@herrlogan17 3 года назад
6:41 that plasma cutter is so cool! Something Aliens Fireteam should have like this :)
@-CrimsoN-
@-CrimsoN- 3 года назад
Elite Dangerous is officially part "The Expanse" now
@Micromation
@Micromation 3 года назад
Elite Dangerous becoming Star Citizen before Star Citizen can become Star Citizen...
@Salidin111
@Salidin111 3 года назад
Star Citizen lost its credibility when they sold ships for more then a cars value.
@dvsi9992
@dvsi9992 3 года назад
@@Salidin111 That is sadly very true
@dvsi9992
@dvsi9992 3 года назад
@@Salidin111 The legatus pack is easily the price of a small house or a nice apartment
@soapmode
@soapmode 3 года назад
This is like when you park up in a layby for a beautiful view of the Lake District, and some f&$%^er has to come round the bend and park up next to you with his herd of screaming kids.
@NastyStankyChicken
@NastyStankyChicken 3 года назад
Lmao you implying you shot them all?
@Akm72
@Akm72 3 года назад
@@NastyStankyChicken It doesn't count if no one found the bodies! :D
@warrickmiller7651
@warrickmiller7651 3 года назад
Then he throws out his kfc bucket into the lay-by
@syntic7206
@syntic7206 3 года назад
when is odyssey available to play for everyone, and im kinda dissapointed that you cant walk inside your ship but ok
@snowgmx1264
@snowgmx1264 3 года назад
Thats one of the hardest things to do in a videogame, to move inside moving vehicles, thats why I keep supporting Star Citizen, those guys are learning a lot in SC development and that will benefit these kind of games in the future.
@Myraarc
@Myraarc 3 года назад
compare how big the imperial cutter is, and imagine modeling inside one of these, that's like creating a whole new map for just 1 ship
@spynorbays
@spynorbays 3 года назад
@@snowgmx1264 Agreed
@arunaschlevickas322
@arunaschlevickas322 3 года назад
@@Myraarc star citizen did it.. 890j is probably larger by volume, not to mention all the bigger ships coming
@Myraarc
@Myraarc 3 года назад
@@arunaschlevickas322 yes, and has the game fully released yet? im not saying it's impossible, but the time it will took is what im talking about when u have much other better roadmap in front of u
@dvsi9992
@dvsi9992 3 года назад
Somehow im getting extremely bored of games where you have long healthbars and getting hit by weapons does nothing but lower your health Want to see more games where being hit by bullets (in this case lasers) actually has consequences If everybody dies a lot faster, players are gonna be more mindful when engaging enemies on foot
@JuanGarcia-fb2wb
@JuanGarcia-fb2wb 3 года назад
Escape from tarkov is the game you are looking for xD
@TheSHJGaming
@TheSHJGaming 3 года назад
I don't really think this fits with elite IMO, most PvP ship fights take a while so the TTK on foot shouldn't be too fast
@joelhasson6268
@joelhasson6268 3 года назад
Wowo even just the diamond back looks huge lol. Can't wait to see the big ships
@Akm72
@Akm72 3 года назад
There is a youtube video of a player walking under an Anaconda.
@ethandehoff3517
@ethandehoff3517 3 года назад
Sound design excellent as always.
@heramaaroricon4738
@heramaaroricon4738 3 года назад
I hope the AI gets improvements. I play Destiny a lot. This is basically the easiest Ai I have seen since years.
@multirate1HDX
@multirate1HDX 3 года назад
The star jumping beatle :D i love that ship.
@TheZweeez
@TheZweeez 3 года назад
Hopped to Sagitarius A on that shippy. Also my favorite.
@greenthunder1000
@greenthunder1000 3 года назад
I really hope the connection isn’t shit so you can do this with someone else without disconnecting every 5min
@Pwwh0711
@Pwwh0711 3 года назад
Magic 8 Ball: Outlook Not So Good
@talscorner3696
@talscorner3696 3 года назад
I like the little diegetic UI around the pistol ^^ very Shadowrun like
@jasonfrost5025
@jasonfrost5025 3 года назад
RIP Star Citizen. It was a fun experiment. You're toast.
@yassinethegrey3945
@yassinethegrey3945 3 года назад
F
@gregorymazulli4854
@gregorymazulli4854 3 года назад
Star citizen was a big scam from the very beginning, they promise way too much and barely get anything finished while having 300+ million budget, meanwhile elite dangerous devs are taking baby steps and actually releasing finished content, in a few years ED will most likely surpass star citizen at this rate
@darkvortex2753
@darkvortex2753 3 года назад
To be fair, right now they have just put space legs and that's about it, it will be a bit more time till they pass star citizen due to its super high detail and the depths of features....but every year ED is getting closer! :) best of luck to both games!
@jasonfrost5025
@jasonfrost5025 3 года назад
@@darkvortex2753 Star Citizen is starting to look dated, and it has zero depth of features (it barely even HAS features). I believed in the dream back in 2016, but I'm done being bamboozled.
@darkvortex2753
@darkvortex2753 3 года назад
@@jasonfrost5025 Honestly I agree with the statement of it not having many features right now, but graphically speaking it most definitely does not look dated
@COUCHPOTATO_94
@COUCHPOTATO_94 3 года назад
No mans sky is in trouble
@hobomisanthropus2414
@hobomisanthropus2414 3 года назад
Odyssey has so much potential. I doubt it'll be good at launch, but probably closer to the console release, it'll realize enough of its potential to be truly amazing. I'm still looking forward to it it though, the Alpha is fun, and just the sense of scale being able to putter about in your booties around the Aircraft Carrier sized ships does wonders.
@matthewflorianz_gameaudio
@matthewflorianz_gameaudio 3 года назад
Fantastic video, thanks for creating and sharing your story.
@millstonebarn
@millstonebarn 3 года назад
What a brilliant find! Well done. This is great.
@roaringbeardragon4531
@roaringbeardragon4531 3 года назад
Damn well, when they drop the price to something reasonable I'll get it
@thevoiceofreason937
@thevoiceofreason937 3 года назад
What is not reasonable about the price?
@roaringbeardragon4531
@roaringbeardragon4531 3 года назад
@@thevoiceofreason937 the fact I can't afford it
@lntermark
@lntermark 3 года назад
@@roaringbeardragon4531 Shoulda gotten it on epic when it was free
@roaringbeardragon4531
@roaringbeardragon4531 3 года назад
@@lntermark I mean the DLC not the base game
@roaringbeardragon4531
@roaringbeardragon4531 3 года назад
@@kraithUmbra ok
@epicfail5473
@epicfail5473 3 года назад
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why anyone would exit their spacecraft. Which presumably has much more firepower, shields, detection, and maneuverability. To engage which a ground target they could have blown into pieces from their ship.
@Kuldirongaze1
@Kuldirongaze1 3 года назад
Yup. I do like these myself. Issues at the moment are with the rewards and some bugs. When you kill skimmers, you can sometimes download data or salvage parts by cutting panels. But panels don't always cut smoothly. I once had a panel parallel to the ground all when I cut it open, or fell into itself and converted the loot.
@1robinjr
@1robinjr 3 года назад
You are reporting those bugs right? Literally the whole point of this.
@Kuldirongaze1
@Kuldirongaze1 3 года назад
@@1robinjr every time I go and report a bug, I find it's been already reported before
@LPSilentHunter
@LPSilentHunter 3 года назад
They really must have messed up with the code or something between the Alpha and Odyssey release. Otherwise I can't explain why ED is in a state we have now, especially when you look at it in comparison to this video.
@kylesaing4787
@kylesaing4787 3 года назад
The first guns we see looks like a 3D printed blueberry jam dispenser. Those devs sure know how to make a good game
@zulwe
@zulwe 3 года назад
This is a great vid. I am looking forward to this.
@arcueid980able
@arcueid980able 3 года назад
Those are the stupidest AI I've ever seen in a game.
@bryanaustin8362
@bryanaustin8362 3 года назад
Cool gameplay but that Ai was pretty bad.
@muitosabao
@muitosabao 3 года назад
Yeah I think it's the worst of Odissey so far. such bad AI!
@roaringbeardragon4531
@roaringbeardragon4531 3 года назад
True, but those weren't very high level enemies, so they weren't meant to have great AI
@TSINIproductions
@TSINIproductions 3 года назад
What lead you to the POI? Was it from a surface scan or FSS?
@TSINIproductions
@TSINIproductions 3 года назад
Never mind read the description haha.
@CommonSenserules1981
@CommonSenserules1981 3 года назад
The Ai was not firing back ..
@xsuuuuuuuu
@xsuuuuuuuu 3 года назад
they had 7 years and yet they haven't modeled the interiors of they fucking ships what a shame, my god
@abagigio
@abagigio 3 года назад
Hey mate nice video! how do you switch the camera in third person?
@evilchert9736
@evilchert9736 3 года назад
So.. When they landing, they don't see ship landed nearby?
@viper56tl36
@viper56tl36 Год назад
Does odyssey’s graphics look incredibly better than horizons or is it because I’m on console?
@krackrk7302
@krackrk7302 3 года назад
it would be cool to add Earth from Microsoft Flight Simulator ...
@bunkiebunk
@bunkiebunk 3 года назад
Ship interiors ffs pleaaaaase
@Kazrel
@Kazrel 3 года назад
Something I noticed at 2:57 the shadow is a bit off.
@editedwig916
@editedwig916 3 года назад
I don't see anything wrong
@hyperiushd5910
@hyperiushd5910 3 года назад
Wait you can get out of the ships in elite dangerous?
@Null24
@Null24 3 года назад
How do you find these? I've tried fss and dss and neither works
@m.amadeo3434
@m.amadeo3434 3 года назад
Does atmospheric flight feel different from normal planetary flight?
@ezequiellopezmontoya
@ezequiellopezmontoya 3 года назад
hi! what´s your pc setup? THX!!!
@samuelbrice3699
@samuelbrice3699 3 года назад
What happens if you die out of ship?
@arrynroyce72
@arrynroyce72 3 года назад
What gpu are you running?
@wisewizardtreechannel500
@wisewizardtreechannel500 3 года назад
Yap same here, space legs for this kind of action.. elite it will be better than ST, as we got our milk way to travel. Well done Elite
@wagfeliz
@wagfeliz 3 года назад
The price of a full AA game for this ? Kidding right ?
@fascistphilosophy5649
@fascistphilosophy5649 3 года назад
I don't know, if I was running the company I think they could add more content. ship interiors for one. better portraits two (everybody unisex transvestite in 500 years? if I see another black guy with purple lipstick...) and, really I think it should be fully VR compatible. Surely they could get a fixed-interest loan from a major bank or something to hire developers? maybe use some of that china money? maybe use that tencent connection for code work or something?
@hobofromsoho
@hobofromsoho 3 года назад
Wow did they release odyssey?
@Endio_Star
@Endio_Star 3 года назад
This has potential
@eccodreams
@eccodreams 3 года назад
Wow, the AI is really bad...
@BeefSupreme30
@BeefSupreme30 3 года назад
Can i play odessey if i have Elite Dangerous from Epic games for free?
@ryancurry6882
@ryancurry6882 3 года назад
if you buy the Odyssey Expansion yes
@paulmclaine6413
@paulmclaine6413 3 года назад
Non of the beta testers are stating their PC specs yet. Don't write off other games before you see how this performs on your hardware. Unless of course you and everyone else has a GTX 3090.
@lunarshteve
@lunarshteve 3 года назад
were they ai or other players ? very cool either way
@iamkeegs3651
@iamkeegs3651 3 года назад
What’s your setup? I have TERRIBLE FPS on planets
@TAWEEYZZ
@TAWEEYZZ 3 года назад
This gunplay is more satisfying than most triple A shooters today.
@possiblyadickhead6653
@possiblyadickhead6653 3 года назад
This is a joke right
@TAWEEYZZ
@TAWEEYZZ 3 года назад
@@possiblyadickhead6653 let me be clear, I never said all shooters. I said most. The gunplay off BF or the new modern warfare are still my favorite.
@eldente
@eldente 3 года назад
gotta be sarcasm
@smurfsupreme9634
@smurfsupreme9634 3 года назад
What's your pc setup? Looks good
@threeomgthree
@threeomgthree 3 года назад
LMFAO THE ANIMATION FOR GETTING OUT OF YOUR SHIP IS SO FUCKING PATHETIC
@zielas97
@zielas97 2 года назад
Hello ...? What's Your name?!
@lordzuzu6437
@lordzuzu6437 3 года назад
Lol this ship looks like a space bike lol
@thedawgg7207
@thedawgg7207 3 года назад
My dude needs some cardio
@whostygryscub
@whostygryscub 3 года назад
It looks like subnautica lolol.. imagine water worlds! Being able to have ur ship in water
@CptFugu
@CptFugu 3 года назад
Pretty cool.
@hurlbag559
@hurlbag559 2 года назад
I sincerely hope that AI is in the extremely early alpha phase.... because that is some dogshit AI right there. Not a good look considering I gave up playing a long time ago since there was a real lack of challenge.
@votpavel
@votpavel 3 года назад
took you fukin long enough frontier
@aktin6011
@aktin6011 3 года назад
does the AI even shoot back?
@AutoSia
@AutoSia 3 года назад
Man the AI is dumb!
@Pwwh0711
@Pwwh0711 3 года назад
Good to see these commando (really?!!) NPCs are just as fearsome as their ship pilot counterparts! #MiddleAgedLCD Edit - Has anyone checked if they're wearing pants yet?
@ChefHeisca
@ChefHeisca 3 года назад
The npc pilots don't shoot back either? Just kinda stands there bobing round lol
@SEPK09
@SEPK09 3 года назад
No HUD for crash site on foot, another poor design fault by frontier.!!!!!! Hate to think what threat level 5 would be looks like balancing off already.
@Honda-c9c
@Honda-c9c 3 года назад
Destiny 3?
@furlockfurli2719
@furlockfurli2719 3 года назад
So far, ... I do not like what I see. FPS... only to satisfy the masses. There could have been another qualitative jump, or many others rather than that.
@user-gy4yf7cz8w
@user-gy4yf7cz8w 3 года назад
No need for Star Citizen anymore...
@qPlung
@qPlung 3 года назад
How do you find these?
@Viejoviajero
@Viejoviajero 3 года назад
You need to use the surface scanner from orbit. It will show you all the geological sites etc and also the POI
@intermsofreality
@intermsofreality 3 года назад
God I can't wait for official launch
@Pwwh0711
@Pwwh0711 3 года назад
Yeah I'm really hungry too ...oh. .."launch" ...my mistake
@_SiriusM_
@_SiriusM_ 3 года назад
EVE online bb
@stefanom97ify
@stefanom97ify 3 года назад
ED Need more GTA online style event's
@lorenzodk3124
@lorenzodk3124 3 года назад
No, it is not gta.
@WarlordFlanker
@WarlordFlanker 3 года назад
Wow, some pretty brainless AI. This game has just always looked like a turd.
@naughtypickle
@naughtypickle 3 года назад
well thats just lame, teleporting outside the ship "good job" ...
@nickgelbrecht4367
@nickgelbrecht4367 3 года назад
damn your game runs smoothly. I only have around 30-40 fps with a rtx 590 and fx 8350 xD u mind telling me ur specs?
@nickgelbrecht4367
@nickgelbrecht4367 3 года назад
@61 Cygni do you think after the alpha and after all the optimization the 8350 could handle it?
@nickgelbrecht4367
@nickgelbrecht4367 3 года назад
@61 Cygni almost 60 fps on mid or low?
@nickgelbrecht4367
@nickgelbrecht4367 3 года назад
@61 Cygni well rn im playimg on low with 0.85 supersample and i only get 40fps on stations and only 10-20 on ground with combat. But after looking at the usage my CPU only gets used to 50-60% wich is kinda wierd
@nickgelbrecht4367
@nickgelbrecht4367 3 года назад
@61 Cygni ohh boy thats... Quite upsetting for me rip
@MsHyeven
@MsHyeven 3 года назад
Just an opinion of an outsider that don't play this game, nor any similar game for that matter. This look boring as fuck. How long is it supposed to take to kill someone in a world of spaceship with lasers and shit.. ? It's alpha, so I won't tackle the non-existing ambient anything..
@alfredobelloni3258
@alfredobelloni3258 3 года назад
Would be nice if you could salavage their ship. Or just keep it. But man the IA is terrible.
@PageAaron
@PageAaron 3 года назад
Roblox has better A.I
@microwaveenthusiast7410
@microwaveenthusiast7410 3 года назад
the AI is so bad...
@Search_In_Google
@Search_In_Google 3 года назад
AI here is very dumb and easy. Not the Arma 3 level
@miladrsi706
@miladrsi706 3 года назад
this game copy from starcitizen :)
@urielbeaupre9151
@urielbeaupre9151 3 года назад
how can you copy a game that havent even come out? sc doesnt even have gameplay loops like this one.
@CrowquillsCrowquillz
@CrowquillsCrowquillz 3 года назад
worst npcs ever
@spaceaxi3392
@spaceaxi3392 3 года назад
imo Elite: boring af, grind forever while devs nerf things that make money, n64 graphics, good netcode, n64-tier fps gameplay, planets lol, magically teleport out of ships, mile wide and inch deep on release and after SC: do whatever you want, 30ks, p2w, infinitely better graphics, lag, crysis-tier fps gameplay, planets photorealistic, broken every time patch releases, walk out of ships or magically bug out of them in quantum, will be released when hydrogen is depleted from the sun I tried. my friends will bait me into buying odyssey but I already know anything worth having will take longer than my attention span and I can't ignore how boring the planets look. Both games have their place on the continuum of No Man's Sky (for toddlers, minecraft expats, shroom users), Elite Dangerous (normies, console peasants, casuals that like grinding), Star Citizen (wizards, griefers, boomers, whales, masochists)
@Raylker
@Raylker 3 года назад
AI sucks, omg
@TechCarnivore1
@TechCarnivore1 3 года назад
Honestly looks bland... how disappointing.
@SuperTime2Change
@SuperTime2Change 3 года назад
This game is so boring. Now you land and run around on lifeless planets to fight for things. Elite FPS now? Face palm...
@roaringbeardragon4531
@roaringbeardragon4531 3 года назад
Hm so you DONT want the feature literally everyone has requested for years? Maybe blame people that aren't the devs
@SuperTime2Change
@SuperTime2Change 3 года назад
@@roaringbeardragon4531 nope. Looks lifeless and boring. Land, FPS a bit, take off. Woo. Such fun. Elite Dangerous is just trying to capitalize on PvP FPS elements along with No Man's Sky's success with planets you can land on. Only difference is Frontier has done a pretty poor job of trying to mimic that same atmosphere of planetary discovery that No Man's Sky brought to the table. Elite Dangerous is just boring. Fly through space, mine stuff and land on desolate planets to FPS/PvP. That doesn't interest me. Frontier is way too late to the game with this stuff. They had their chance to shine long ago and blew it. Now they're just scrambling to make people happy enough (the ultra-fans) to stick around.
@urielbeaupre9151
@urielbeaupre9151 3 года назад
@@SuperTime2Change although n mans sky has many dlcs, still pretty meh. flying their ships is a whack, way to cartoony, arcady, and every systems has a planet that has alien life which gets pretty repetetive and annoying. also frontier had spacelegs planned for their future updates since the kickstarter period, back when nms isnt even a thing.
@SuperTime2Change
@SuperTime2Change 3 года назад
@@urielbeaupre9151 am I supposed to care whether NMS was a thing or not at the time? I don't care if it was or wasn't. Fact is Frontier took so long to get to it that it's pretty much missed the time to shine. Furthermore, NMS has no DLCs. ED does though and they're paid. NMS updates are all free thus there is no paid DLC to add or buy. Way too cartoony? Oh come on. Seriously? So it looks a little different graphically and that somehow is a negative? The aim of the game isn't realism / simulation. You know that right? Just because you don't like the toon graphics doesn't mean it's not a good art style. That's a you problem. As for the planets having too much life for you too - well, again that's a your problem. At least their game has life filled planets with things going on and lots to do. Can't say so much for ED at present and that game has been around since 2015. I'd say they've had plenty time to show up NMS especially considering Hello Games had a hell of a nightmare to resolve before they could even finish their game because of some other company's decisions. Frontier hasn't had to go through anything even close to what Hello Games had to during development of their game. So really, it's fairly easy to spot which company is a slacker and which one isn't.
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