Engine size doesn't matter - Why a 636 is faster than a 650 

I have a 1000cc Thermos bottle. Can carry plenty of hot beverage in it while going on a winter bicycle ride.

636? 650? ... I have a 998cc car

Harley guy.... what size is that me... 600 Harley guy..... pfff mines a 1200 when he caught up to me at the next light I explained it to him! lol

I’m glad I started on a ZX6R, the 600’s are fine starting out imo because as long as you keep it low to mid rpm’s you won’t get any crazy power and you can slowly start accelerating faster till you’re accustomed to it. My worry with people starting out on slower bikes is they will get too comfortable on them and when they get a 600 or 1k they will be overconfident. To each their own, do what you know you can handle

I am from Asia and due to the narrower, much crowded and very little maintained roads I believe a 150cc bike but with a decent acceleration like Yamaha R15 is ideal for starters. Mainly because you learn to use and maneuver the power at your disposal responsibly due to the forced constrictions and dangers of the road but after a year or two or extensive riding you can gradually progress with a very stable learning curve as you move towards higher displacement engines.

'Ninja 650 is a slow beginner bike' still goes 0-100 in like 4 seconds lol

Larger engine size doesn’t necessarily mean more power. Case in point: every harley

Idk why i love your voice HeroRR. Your voice is like a cool guy or calm guy

Good video. This “cylinders-hard-to-understand” problem is also the reason, why people usually struggle to understand, why they cant get such a sweet sound from their Ninja 650 even with a new exhaust, while the 636 sounds like a God.

I have a Ninja 650 and I agree. It's a great beginner bike that looks awesome, and it's possible to have a bit of fun on it without being taken by surprise by the power.

Really really good video, I’m happy to see someone do a video about this topic because I hear people talk about this all the time, especially friends who are new riders and I’m glad to see someone explain this. I’ll definitely send people this link to this video if I hear them ask questions about this topic!

My start wasn't ideal. I purchased a 636 as my starter. I know this is gonna trigger possible insults but my father told me that if you start out with a low power bike, you are shortly going to thirst for more power, get bored and want to sell the bike before riding season is over. Now bikes, displacement and power were different decades ago and he was more into Harley's. I high sided on my bike. I wasn't going very fast at all, the bike definitely has that top end even on low power mode. I was cut off by a car in a residential part (I wasn't going to main streets yet), I grabbed for too much front brake, didn't pull in the click and grazed the the throttle and the result was an endo with me eating sh!t. In hindsight, it's not the bike, it was me and I learned from that mistake. I always intended on MSF courses, they were't available just yet and I was taking it easy with a permit in residential areas only. I'm getting back on the saddle, pursuing the MSF licensing course and will learn my bike, taking the learning curve into perspective as the bike isn't going anyway. I reiterate, it's not the bike it's experience/skill lvl. Ride within your limits. If you don't feel confident, park the bike and think it over, watch videos, take classes and focus on what will make you a better rider.

Lol I started on a GSXR750. Absolutely love the thing, it taught me really quickly to respect its power and ride cautiously

This is probably THE channel I searched for the past 6 months, good that I just wound it as the motorcycle season begins (doing my license atm)

started on a cbr250r, now have a 08 GSX650F next up is a 07-09 GSX-R 750 by the middle of summer next year :)

This video is overdue... Thanks for clearing some of that up with new riders.

Hahahha this reminds me of when my ex girlfriends dad tried to act tough on his Harley after calling my Ninja 250 a girls bike. The little 250 whooped his ass, screaming at 13,000 rpm the whole way but it won😂

long story short life wouldnt let me afford a bike for 15 years after I wrecked my old 750 vulcan in 2000. I got a ninja 300 a few years ago as an ease back into riding bike. my plan was to replace it in a couple years but she is so fiesty and fun I am just keeping her. she's light flicky and very forgiving. she tops out between 108 to 125 depending on weather wind and the seemingly random quality of gas that gets put into her tank. at the same time she can be at max speed by the time I get out of the parking lot and I have straight up smoked a lot of the bigger cruisers off the line. 600s and up leave me pretty quick though. its all good though love my lil 300 she is awesome.

I have both a CBR500R and 675R. People say they started on a 600 inline 4 and did fine, but I can tell you from experience that the lower displacement has insane handling at low speeds and I believe helps to make you a better rider even in the long run. You don’t really appreciate the power and speed of a faster bike or notice the huge agility difference of a smaller bike until you’ve practiced on both. I don’t even know how people ride liter bikes sometimes. I’ve taken the 675R to 154 mph and pushed it to my very limits on corners where I’m exiting so fast the front wheel is coming off the ground and you can feel the chassis bending then hit air cuz of a tiny bump in the road.

I appreciate this video. It finally makes sense now. I was wondering why the Ninja 650 was selling cheaper than all the other 600cc bikes. Makes sense now. 🙌🏾

I agree with this. I own a Honda St1300. Today I test rode an Fz1. This Fz1 has the smaller displacement but was a lot faster than my ST1300. Great vid brother.

I just bought a Harley Sportster 1200 cc. I did know that they don't have much power (and also mine is limited to 35 kW/47 hp due to European bike license reasons) but man, that torque. I clocked 0-100 km/h in 4.5 s and with the margin of error I dare to say that in reality it's under 5 s. The horsepower doesn't tell everything.

I have a 650 right now and I love it, definitely gonna upgrade but I’m going to enjoy it while I have it

this is like motorcycle for dummies.. which is great. nicely done *thumbs*

Your recommending 600ccs but id recommend a 400 or a 250 so you can actually get to know what a motorcycle can do

Nice video. I find that torque and clutch “weight” also makes a huge difference. I ride an 1100 Ducati and it’s got so much damn torque it’s unpredictable. Also some bikes (especially older) have very heavy dry clutches which can be a nightmare for new riders.

Great basic video. Straight to the point

My first bike is a ninja 636. Im glad i didnt listen to other people telling me it wasn't a beginner bike as i almost bought a 250. Im glad with the decision i made and the bike is perfect for me.

I started on a '14 636 and in all honesty, it was extremely difficult to learn on especially when I consider the fact that I earned my license on a 31hp 300cc bike. It took me many months to get used to the top end pull and at the end of the day, if that bike didn't have lower power mode, I might not be here right now. I agree wholeheartedly with HR2 and if I were to do this again, I'm not even sure I'd start on a 650, I'd probably consider a 390 duke as I wouldn't have had to fight the feeling of utter fear while getting acclimated to riding which I often did on the six tre..

I started on a 636. Did just fine. Respect the bike, and don’t be a squid......

The right of passage to the litre bikes is fast disappearing 😕. Okay the period of 2 strokes is over but there was something nostalgic about starting your journey on a small 2 stroke and working your way up. I'm 44 and my own personal climb to an R1 started on a RG80 followed by an RS125 and then a TZR125RR. Next came 2 x CBR400's an R6 and now an R1. I don't know maybe I'm showing my age but I'm kinda proud of my right of passage to the big bikes.

you are the man, HeroRR you're the only motovlogger i watch now

Man.... I never rode a street bike. And I bought a 636. Throttle control man. You have the power if you need it. I'm glad I didnt get a slow bike. I love my 636. Everyone's always in my rear view

Literally picking my 650 up in half an hour

I LOVED my 2014 650F. I like how it sounds like the Supersports. Rode it for about a year before upgrading

My first bike was a gsx650f. Hard to get that weight around but it paid massive dividends for the rest of the bikes after and ever more.

Started on a ninja300 last month. Got tired of it after a week. Then traded it in for an 04 r6. Love that thing.

To anyone looking at a beginner bike I say go small. Will you get bored of the power in a few months? Yeah probably but when that happens you can start learning how to turn hard and brake hard and push the limits of the bike and really learn how to ride well so when you do upgrade eventually you'll be better than all the guys who started on 600s or 1000s

ive gone from a 180bhp ZX10R (which was stolen) to a 70bhp SV650 and yeah the power delivery is very noticeable but with that being said the SV650 tears it up at the lights as it has tons of torque

Mine was a kR1S 250cc & it taught me a lot about holding good corner speed & that stood me in good stead for the 636 2004 a year later , & i still have said 636 & still use it & love it , its as reliable as the day i bought it new all those years ago ❤

Any bike is a good starter bike. It’s all about self control. After all, the rider rides the motorcycle, it doesn’t crash on its own

I looked at the CC`S when I first started riding because I was a novice and as a learner I wanted the biggest CC I could LEGALLY RIDE LOL, I bought my bikes on physical size and type(race/offroad) only when I had been riding for a year or so, BUT! It was not until riding after a few years I discovered different engine designs and type. This discovery made me search for the best engine too power delivery and that my friend WAS THEE TRUE EYEOPENER!!:) The 2 stroker is light and powerful BUT the INLINE 4 is powerful and revvy,the V2, twin is torquey, the V4 is the best of both inline and v twin, FFS please choose wisely lol :) I now ride a HONDA VTR1000F FIRESTORM/HAWK and I love it:)

You say a Honda CBR650F is a bad beginner bike but here in the UK we learn and go through our DAS course on these bikes???

I have a 650 and in getting the 636 for my next bike

go with inline 4, you will love the sound it make

Very informative videos haters gonna hate i been ridin for years so i know what ur sayin is true

I started on a 600 about 3 years ago, and changed to a 1000 after a few months. Wish I had just bought the 1000 first. Apart from tyres only lasting 4000 miles, the running costs are about the same. Also the power on the 1000 is easier to control, because of the greater low down torque.

Great video, I started riding last your around the start of spring. First bike was basically a freebie since just got a salary bonus, $800 for an 85’ Suzuki GS550L- after adding a couple thousand miles ended up buying a 05’ Ninja 636; well I brought the bike out after the winter is over, TOTALLY FORGOT HOW POWERFUL SHE IS ❤️

This video is very informative and helpful.keep up the good work!

It always depends on the rider. Some people can get into trouble on a 250 rebel and others shouldn't even be on a bike. Testosterone and arrogance, you mix these two together in just the right way and it's a great recipe for making road crayons.

Even I use think the same way ..I always thought the more CC the bike has, the faster and stronger it is., but turn out I was so wrong, once I own a bike myself gradually started to understand about bike and its engines ... You know, you'll almost never know or understand about engine or bikes until you own one yourself....

I started in a 2016 636 as my first bike, now I’ve been riding it for the past month and I honestly feel like I’ve been riding for years. I took it very slow at first only riding around my neighborhood then hoped on a 50mph highway get the feel of accelerating and breaking at higher speeds and just kept going from there. At the end of the day YOU are in control of the bike it’s your choice how fast you wanna take it. Ohh and the 636 makes no power until 9,000 RPM so you can do what I did and shift early for the first few weeks and I can guarantee that you will not feel like it has to much HP to control. Good luck squids! 😈

Haha the Ninja 650 doesn't get anywhere near 12000 rpms. Rev limit at 10, and really you're shifting at 8 anyway.

I just wonder if traction control and low power mode (potentially ABS as well) on the 636 help to close some of the rider friendliness gap.

Started on a 2015 636. Love it and don't ever see myself getting a different sports bike. 🤘 It's all about what makes the rider feel comfortable

Another thing to watch out for is torque. I know a lot of folks starting out grab onto the throttle when they make a mistake, going into a turn, feel a bump in the road, etc as a natural reflex. Having a big harley, which not having much power up in the higher RPM's, they produce quite a bit of torque when taking off.

I was always taught that the replacement for displacement was a way of thinking about tuning engines and how when you get to a certain horsepower a bigger engine is going to be better. Sure you could tune a 600 to 180bhp but it’s better to have a bigger engine handling that power easier and having less stresses therefore more reliability that then 600.

If you have the bucks and the guts, the H2 is your starter bike.

A lot of people do not seem to realize that technology has improved and the age/type of the bike makes a difference! My 1987 BMW K100 is a 1 liter inline 4 sport tourer cranking out 90HP, which is a lot less than even a modern 600/4 sport bike can do. My buddy is nuts for thinking my vintage beamer is anywhere near as fast as hit 06 Z750S lol

For a broad explanation, your video was great. Well done mate.

Harley's BTFO >1300CC >70 HP I guess its true harley riders like to make a lot of noise and "cruise" slowly around

I'm going to buy a 636 as first bike cause I'm not rich enough to change bikes after a couple of months

In my country , to get a license, you got to do a riding course on a 150cc bike, and if you pass,you only get to ride or buy 200cc and below. A year later you get to retake the course with a 400cc, and you can ride or buy bikes up to 400cc. Then lastly another year later you retake it with an 800cc bike and now you can buy and ride any engine sized bikes. Starting on a 200/300 is the best thing to do.

I started on a 300 and moved on to a 600 after about 5k miles of riding (which is a little quick). You can definitely start on a zx6r or similar but if you're someone that likes pushing your bike, it's just safer to start on a 300. Personally I'm not someone that's going to be super light on the throttle with these bikes; if I was I would've gotten more of a cruiser. I had a number of close calls navigating tight turns that definitely would've resulted in an accident had I been riding a 600. Like everyone says, there's no right or wrong answer, just know yourself.

Bore : Stroke ratio tells you most of what you need to know about an engine

Me: does size matter My crush: nooooooo

It’s nice to see an actual video explaining this. now I can send it to buddies who ask me about this.

My inventory is as followed. 2017 Hawk 250 with 1 cylinder engine 219cc and 14hp. 2007 Hyosung with V2 engine 649cc and about 70hp. 2005 Triumph St 1050 with 3 cylinder engine 1049cc and about 125hp. 1980 Yamaha XS1100 with 4 cylinder engine 1102cc and about 90hp.

That is not a great argument for debunking "no replacement for displacement." The ninja 650 and 636 are apples and oranges. One is a commuter motor and one is a track motor. The saying means that the ZX10r is superior in power than the 636 which both have similar engine configuration and purpose. You mentioned a 1300cc Harley struggles to make 70 horespower, but it makes around 80 ft-lbs compared to a 636 making 46 ft-lbs at over double the rpm. Manufactures could have their bikes produce more power but it isn't appropriate for the target market. You did a good job talking about the factors (cam profile, etc.) that change those figures. My two cents here is just that the bigger motor is always more powerful (or capable of more power due to tuning) if both it and a smaller motor are developed for the same task.

Harley is the best because it has the loudest pipes...right?

I started riding and taught both my kids how to ride on a 2018 Indian Scout, 1130CC, 100HP...fantastic beginner bike

I had the 06 650 as my starter bike nice to learn on but was most def a touring bike.

Good vid. I feel sorry to see that you guys in the US can't overtake the cars in traffic. It kills half of fun driving a motocycle.

#love from India *love you hero*

First binge was a 2008 CBR600RR in 2008.... loved it ! Now I ride 2017 XR650L & KTM 690R enduro SM & Harley street Glide stage 4screaming Eagle 13k in upgrades.

Very true. My starter bike is a suzuki gs500f. Probably the best possible starter bike i couldve gotten. Even at 500cc it is comparable to 300cc bikes in power and performance. So yea its underpowered but perfect for a beginner. After riding it im glad i went with this over a cbr600. Riding a cbr 600 for a first bike would make learning take longer and also less enjoyable because youre fighting your survival instincts that can easily kill you onna fast 600 or 650

People are dumb, my r6 was faster than my gsf1250

I love both Kawas💚 Thanks for this explanation💪🏽 AeroR Entertainment 🎥🏍💨🎬

Well it's just, there are some key displacement groups that are common to seek out performance over reliability and fuel economy. These displacement groups are often determined by the similar racing categories, which is why they are often so specific. The performance seeking cc categories are mainly like this: For inline 4 engines: - 400cc (for older bikes) - 600cc - 750cc - 1000cc For inline 3 engines: - 675cc - 800cc For V2 engines: - 800cc/900cc - 1100cc/1200cc For V4 engines: - 1000cc - 1100+ cc There are few performance parallel twin engines since they mainly offer low end torque and are not really good with high revs. These are mainly the ones used for touring/sports touring, beginner bikes, etc like most of the 650 class which is 80% parallel twin / inline twin engines. Almost all the 300cc bikes use this engine configuration too.

You're right, displacement isn't what decides the power but how effectively it's used. Sometimes displacement is increased to make torque rather than power.

h2 is a starterbike

There are no starter bikes, only starter riders.

I really like the features of the zx6r, but the 650 seems to be a safer choice. I have ridden dirt bikes and four wheelers in the past and while I'm well aware that sport bikes are a whole different beast I'm still on the fence about which to choose as a first bike. I know it is a toss up between these two bikes at least.

I have the Ninja 650 2020 since 2 years and probably i will keep it forever. Last summer 5K trip across Europe, no problem at all.

Back to the what was the bike designed for🤓

I have 50cc :(

I bought a ZX6R for my first “big bike” a couple weeks ago. I hadn’t rode a bike in 5 years, and even then it was a 125cc. It’s quick, very quick but can’t help myself looking at 1000s for sale now.

first mass made motorcycle 1894-1897 had 1489cc two-cylinder water-cooled four-stroke with 2.5hp did 45kmph

At first i thought its Snapdragon 636 vs Snapdragon 650 🤣

I have a hard time explaining my friends to this lol I just tell them it’s to confusing to explain

My 1980 kz750 4 banger spanks my 1978 kz1000a 4. The 1000 turns 9000 rpm and weighs more. The 750 turned 12000 rpm and hit 90 in second gear. The thousand doesn't hit 90 til 4th. Though the 750 handled smoother, it would pick up the front tire if you over revved without bellying up to the bar.

I started on a mt 07 and i love that bike, the way it delivers the power is so fun, the thing is you need to he awere of you can do because the bike will invete you to go faster than you can

In Europe all these notions are just included in "common sense" and, well, obviousness. I find interesting how Americans need to categorize everything and often get stuck in such small easy little things like if they are the most complex mysteries of the universe. Just from visual, you clearly see the 636 is a race bike and the 650 is a cheap one... And, is it that difficult to look for a technical sheet? I love you american people, you're still easy-going and simple as children ❤️ (didn't intend to offend anyone, I seriously find you all special people)

A 650cc is faster at legal speeds, or around town.. once past that, a 600cc is faster at illegal speeds.. period

In the UK I did all my training on a 90hp Honda 650. That's the sort of bike you learn on, and have to pass your motorcycle test on. It's the best way to prepare you for riding on your own. Passing a test on a small displacement bike, and then being able to ride anything is crazy. Training and a test on a larger hp bike is the best way to go.

I started on a Street Triple, worked out fine for me :D

Well I drive a 650cc single. 48hp. Loads of torque. There are 250s out there making more power. It's really not about cc alone

Remove the background music

I got a ZX6R 636 for my first bike (still own it) and nearly wrecked it on my first lap around the neighborhood. Definitely should've watched your videos before getting into bikes but I'm glad I own a great motorcycle.

Cost for cost it's usually cheaper to just buy a bigger engine than a smaller one with more complications. I believe this statement came from industrial operations in areas such as mining, processing, etc. Vehicles are different because they have emissions to deal with and the demand for an engine to use less room.