EngineLabs LS vs Coyote Shootout: The Winner Crowned 

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No rice fart cans big 3 forever

@@kevinkotchevar2339 v6's are fart cans too so u better have a v8 boah

I just buy the best deal.

I am proud to say I have done the same. I appreciate greatness no matter which brand. I realized I was causing myself to miss out on great engineering feats just because of the name plate. I love to see the manufacturers compete because it’s bringing out greatness for the public. That being said... I think I just decided which engine is going in my project Camaro. 😎

'Murica

Welcomto America, get it yourself.

Rich Wood fuckin nerd..

I can drink to that haha

MithroJin I'm America we don't give our participation ribbons...

In the end, we car guys and gals win.

I'm sitting here asking how a winner was crowned when they both died😂😂

Buy a coyote. Put blower on factory sealed coyote. Make 1000+HP (reliable and daily driven) to the wheels. About as simple as you get.

No a coyote won't make 1200hp reliable factory stock. You are hilarious.

@@mytruthslays1303 LOL!!!!! Right up until you crack the block trying to desperately make 1000 HP from it. Daily and reliable????? You must be smoking Hunter's crack.

you said it yourself CHEAPER 🤢🤢 thats why coyotes are faster you gotta pay the price!!!

@@DiabloMEX-AMERICAN669 your right man. I grew up a chevy guy but man when these coyotes go twin turbos they eat up everything. The chevys have to be built to keep up. Still love the head to head from chevy & ford

1991tommygun finally.

1991tommygun...I say AMEN!...Brother!...I am a Old School kinda Ford Guy and I Believe that a Ford engine should be in a Ford Built Car even if its a Custom Built Ford Car with a upgraded engine swap! The same goes for the Chevys and Mopar Cars!...God Bless!

I believe that a Chevy should be in a Chevy and a Chevy should be a Ford

I think Chevy engine in Chevy and Chevy engine in ford

Why not include the Gen III HEMI in the comparison ? The 6.4 heads flow enough to support 700 hp as cast.

BOT_ROCKET agreed

BOT_ROCKET top....u said it.....so there u go....ford blows!!!!!

You're not a 'blueblooded Ford guy' or else you wouldn't be saying dumb stuff like that, especially if you know anything about the Coyote. Taken straight from a Camaro page, perfectly summarizing how the Coyote will make more HP for less than an LS3: www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=457243&page=2

@ Michelle and Chainheart, you are both idiots. For one, I never said ford blows. Ford dominates the NASA American Iron series among plenty of other races. The GT has come back and taken LeMans again. Bottom line is that Ford builds better cars. However, since I'm not a 12 year old fanboi little child, I can admit that there other manufacturers do sometimes get something right. The Coyote is the first factory Ford engine that can compete with the LS, and how long did it take Ford to finally do that? The Coyote is a good engine, but in my post, i said, "smallish package." The coyote heads are nearly as big as the block. I doubt you can realistically build a coyote for as cheap as an LS. That article compares a junkyard 5.0 to a crate LS. These 2 quotes sum it up nicely. "Simply put, a brand new, performance-based Coyote engine can’t be built for under $10,000... The LS3 is definitely an easier engine to build new. They’re a simple in-block cam configuration and virtually everyone in the aftermarket makes something for LS engines." Yes, the Coyote is a great engine, as are the Ford Ecoboost offerings. Ford engines are king when it comes to power per cube. However, when an unbiased builder wants as much power possible for less money, they often times go with an LS... in a Ford.

If you're blue blooded you should know how easy it is to find a junkyard $350 tall deck windsor, throw a carb and some AFR heads on it with a serious cam in a Fox and walk over anything LS.. which has been around decades before an LS. This marketing BS has made everyone forget everything that came before 1990

You know ive always been you can make all brands fast kinna guy, but soon as i see first shit talker against Chevy " not you" some primal shit just starts spewing from me hah

Yeah i like chevy and fords just depends on what it is but u can't beat the new version of the l.s.7 427 double overhead cam 4 valves per cylinder engine 860 hp stock .but then again u can't beat a 70 high boy with the dana 60/80 for a 4x4 strongest truck ever built . u mite say i have a lot of good rigs just i like certain rigs for the purpose that it is for like i have a 70 high boy built up for off-road and a 79 chevy short box for looks for the street then a 68 chevy short box for a street truck with a stroked 454 tunnel ram . cars i have a lot of them restored and all ways building them just never sell them chevy , fords and mopars i have some really good collectors but been building and collecting for over 40 years . just give my kids a rig each one took a 67 chevy pu the other one took a 74 baja bug that was all deck out with 10 inch speakers custom body good for street or off road has the 72 bus transaxle

The coyote IS the greatest American V8 ever made.

dont kiss ass to the LS community The Coyotes are better and faster P

Kind of built from a Ford platform but updated . 1970 Ford came out with the 351 Cleveland . Good head flow . Too bad the Cleveland died in North America because of 🛢 oil arguments and emissions. Development would have been sweet for the 351 4V Cleveland .

Jack Carroll yes it’s Steve

No, it's Steve from Westech Peformance.

no its Steve from AllState

I literally said exactly this when I saw him

Also right around 0:58 mark, the guy with the long hair has done tuning in a couple episodes of Hot Rod Garage...I don't recall his name though.

Thanks. I knew that guy looked familiar! I'll bet people say that to him all the time. Well Old people do.

Well he was a restorer in Gone in 60 Seconds.

Dude I was thinking the same thing

BOO! That's Steve Brule!

I'm dropping the hammer Harry! No you're not. ...(hammer dropped)

"Right behind them"? Ford is leading the way by far. They create more power with less displacement. The LS in this test had more than 70 more cubic inches. Shit, a Ford 2.7 V6 outpulls a 6.2 liter LS.

Ford is right behind them because Gm uses half to make just as much hp and still will always make more torque

@@jameslandon4126 Less cubic inches really means nothing when the physical mass of the assembled engine is still larger. In the long run, what good is it to say ‘i mAkE mOaR pOWeR oN lESs cUbIc inCh’ when your engine is larger, heavier and needs 1000 more rpm to make less power? And DOHC is undeniably less reliable than simple pushrod technology. That torque curve of the LS is flat as a kansas highway and it makes gobs of torque early in the power range. That translates out to a better feel and a more reliable design

@@prod.yayo5715 half of what again. Did you know in engine masters that the dohc engines made so much power they were outlawed in the next series lol!

@@WolfPackM98c your argument is based on bullshit buddy, heres why dohc engines are bigger take 4 example a sohc or an ohv 4 cylinder engine the dohc engine is bigger in head design by some margin at the same a no sohc or ohv engine is going to be comparable in power, power delivery to say for example a vtec or a vvt or vvl when it comes to same cc no matter what or where your 2valve engine comes from these engines rule because of this. For this reason the coyote is superior in design and efficiency. Yes the ls can ve had in bigger cubes but it cant compare at the same cubes if you can then take a 6.2 ls dohc it would outperform 6.2 ls this is wgat was said and by te way putting vvt on the dohc one will yield even power than the straight dohc.

Stephen C. Not being funny at all. Please show me where I can get these for these prices.

Mike Rollins​ eBay has a LQ4 block for $675 and junkyards sell them for around the same price,, I also found a set of 799 heads for $400 on eBay. You can probably get better deals (like ported heads) on forums as well.

Stephen C. Thanks! I honestly haven't searched and those prices are very reasonable. I'll check it out!

I've seen a coyote swapped Miata... just saying.

put it up against the ls miata in a road course and get spanked due to the bulky unbalanced weight distribution not to mention lack of power. The ls is a smaller in physical size engine making more power and is able to sit farther back in the engine bay to improve weight distribution and handling which you wont have with that coyote crap miata

So would we!!

Some truck im sure hehe

Got one with heads, decked and bored for 1500. It lives in my den. Can’t wait to build the damn thing.

Junkyards ftw

I said the same thing.. maybe that’s just short block..

@EpiDemic117 its because pushrods are small for there displacement

This.

That would be really cool. More of an apples to apples test since both engines are pushrod design and they have similar displacements.

why not the lt1?

+Devin Adams these two engines were picked because they are in two vehicles thay compete the 5th gen SS camaro and the last mustang GT. they wanted to see what you could do with a $10,000 budget. for both engines if they wanted to they could have gone a lot further with unlimited budgets.

+Duane Craig that's not why I said that....

Couple monsters

Yea, that wouldn't even be a fair fight, that new coyote puts out over 700hp. #coyotepower

@@jeffreywillis3066 That's the predator engine, but regardless the coyote is an absolute monster from factory

@@weilandcock yeh voodo engine is good to or? the engine that gt350r has or?

LT is same as LS, All the fast Fords have one!

Besides the biggest thing of all, displacement. Not to mention reliability

@@traxxasrcfun and ls still wins in that part to so u can push u stang back to the shop and get an ls

You mean *crateful* hehehehe amen

Love me some Ls.. Choosing ford would just be "decrating"...👊🏻

you should be thanking Ford for the Ls bud it was a Ford engineerd motor so thanks Ford for screwing your selves just to keep the classic V8

"Thank you for providing us with the direct-port nitrous, uh, injection, four-core intercoolers, an' ball-bearing turbos, and titanium valve springs. Thank you."

Power Automedia, great video. PLEASE!! Do the exact same engine dyno comparison with a LS3, & a 6.4 392 Hemi.., or a Stroked but Left N/A 6.2 LS3 to 7Liters vs an N/A 6.1 370 Hemi stroked to 7Liters

mpg and durability/reliability is more important for most people then tq/power. personally I have a feeling the dual overhead coyote wins in both categories

How tf does a ls3 look factory in a miata. It’s like 3x the size.

@@Star.Chaser The LS3 is only slight larger than the Miata I4 and the weight difference compared to an aluminum block LS3 is very small. Having 3 times the displacement doesn't mean it's going to be 3 times larger physically. Pushrod V8's are insanely compact, which partly why they are such a popular engine to swap into nearly everything. They don't have massively large heads with lots of cams and timing chains. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LAcXtvhqTaY.html

1967davethewave Hemis are shit all Chrysler products are.

Rob Roy that'd be a good build if the money was endless. Mopar can be wicked but takes a deep pocket.

Ive built both.... 6.4 would destroy an LS3. The problem with the Hemi is the cost... way more expensive than a GM Ls as we all know. Im more of a GM guy but people dont realize how good and strong those Hemis are.. they get a short stick due to the cars Dodge puts them in!

1967davethewave I

Frank289100 Why are you yelling?

Not going to rev higher than any new technology 5.0 ford mustang

foad 5981 I don’t think that’s what he asked at all😂😂

@@pophamlarry LS doesn't need to rev high. It gets its power from lower rpms amd brute size.

@@drewinhou Brute Size?Yawn.

Steve has Dyno hundreds if not thousands of engines and KNOWS with a valued honest opinion. Truly 30 years or more experience he is a scholar of knowledge and experience. Outstanding teacher for Old and young.....

Wonder if he keeps track of the motors after they leave?

first : it s not a ford second : ls parts are way easier and way cheaper than the turd parts

Steve is the MAN !

Now take that same LS3 and put a 4.8 crank in it and you'll hear a sweet revving motor spinning at 8000 rpms and 600 N/A hp

I was just reading about that in Car Craft magazine. cost was a little over $12k for their build

+christians131 i would have expected more to hit 8000

It could be done much cheaper but everything except the 4.8 crank was bought new

It's not really the bottom end that hurts the LS when it comes to revving, it's the fact that the valvetrain in a pushrod engine is MUCH heavier than with an overhead cam engine. Now, you CAN make a pushrod V8 rev well beyond 8000 RPM but you have to spend a LOT of money upgrading the valvetrain to make it stronger and lighter. Still, I DO love short stroke, over square engines, and putting the shorter crank in WILL make the engine rev higher easier because of lower piston velocities, and there IS a point where shortening the stroke is necessary in order to allow the engine to rev higher, but in the case of the LS3, it's the valvetrain that limits how high it can rev.

Frank Smith There are some “small” displacement V8s that spin astronomically high. There’s a video floating around of a old Nova with a 265 cid V8 that revs well over 10k... supposedly to 13k. I can’t verify the rpm, but it sounds like it’s revving faster than a NASCAR engine, and those hit 10+k rpm.

Ford is going back to the Pushrods on their new Gasoline Super Duty trucks. Mainly for reliability, lower CG, less weight, less complexity, & better torque.

Not really amazing in any way shape or form. The Coyote had twice as many intake and exhaust valves as well as independent variable intake and exhaust valve timing. Not only that, but the Coyote engine is physically larger than the 6.2L LS3. The LS3 curb stomped the 5.0 Coyote using 1 cam instead of the Coyote's 4 cams, 16 valves instead of 32, and 1 cam phaser instead of 4. All while doing it for less money and using the same amount of fuel.

I've never understood why people care so much about the first one and totally neglect the second, makes no sense

Let SAM racing have a shot at the LS to see what happens...oh wait they're on a budget.

It made less torque because they put big cams in it. I suggest you look into what increased duration does to torque curves.

Lets bring the lt5

I think John Hennessy is the man to see about that.

+Jared Bossart I don't think that John Hennessy would do something like that. The only one who could do this is the guys from Engine Masters from Motor Trend Channel.

True...hennessey builds both ford and gm...and he sells both...so id imagine he'd rather make sure both sell.

Hennesey is good at doing basic bolt-ons and selling them at ridiculous prices to rich folks

Yeah, bro. Venom GT? 1,200hp/270mph, HA! I build those in 5 minutes for $5.

LS is about 23inchs wide at the valve cover. Coyote is about 30. Both engines weigh about the same. Coyote block is slightly narrower and shorter. Aside from the dohc they are pretty comparable. Keep in mind, motor swaps are more then just how wide the valve covers are.

Built ford tuff with all chevy stuff

@@benlancaster6535 Built Ford Proud by the Chevy crowd!

That's right guys, there's no finer ambition in life than being cheap.

@@benlancaster6535 What a load of BS.

Goldmarble a 427 aluminum block it can make +650 on stock lol

@@iraqirestoration2991 650 on stock isn't really impressive anymore

@@erikcapozzi3425 yeah it is, especially if its reliable horsepower

Why? Because Ford needs to go agents a 1980's engine to win?

Mutt Head what?... no because GM made a newer LT1 engine?..

Yea annoyingly GM named their new V8s after the old iron block before the LS. Doesn't' make much sense to me. So now there is the LT1 and LT4. LT1 is in the current corvette and new Camaro.

Oh. Thanks GM....

why not just do the lt1 vs the voodoo 5.2?

Coyote is the bigger engine in size

grabber 5.0 no homo

I want to see the LS7 out of the z06 against the 5.8.

And i want to see the ls9 out of the zr1 vs the 5.8...

I love the vette vs mustang arguments. What I never hear from you guys is vette vs ford GT since thats top of the line vs top of the line lol

Thatone_guy thats like me wanting to compare the f450 vs the 3500HD! You know the Chevy guys would bitch so fast! You would never compare them because they aren't in the same class. Get the point yet Chevy guys?!

The Chev is an amazing engine. A four valve head though and VVT is what is going to come to all of us. It will be due to emissions and so on. Consider that if you go to a four valve/cylinder head you are able to increase the valve area by 40%. The valves though are smaller so you are able to use a more aggressive cam profile. This is a major advantage over an OHV set up. So how Chevy overcame it all and did so well, is phenomenal.

right these two don't have the same cubes to begin with

There is no replacement for displacement! ;)

same motor. They changed the cam and crap, so there's not any difference

F-150 motor runs 10.5:1 compression, Mustang 11:1. It's not just the cams, intake, and tune that are different.

Also, you don't need to swap the oil pump gears on a NA Coyote, that's wasted money. Stock internals are good till like 700.

if you would have read in the article both engines are 11:1 they just used a f-150 block www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/dyno-testing/ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-results-the-winner-is/

Richard Head different heads? I know that's what Chevy did

Simple answer: 2JZ holds a slight edge due to the increased displacement. Sure, you can stroke the RB to 2.9L (Largest I saw on 5 second search), but you can also stroke the 2JZ to 3.5L. Both seem to be capable of similar power, but again, I keep seeing the 2J to have a slight advantage.

Just did some digging after running into a term I had never heard of before: Grouting. Grouting is the act of filling the water jackets in the block, to strengthen the block. I head that people have witnesses factory RB26 blocks splitting at around 680 kw to the wheels (910 hp). www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/429446-strengthening-a-rb26-block/ Meanwhile, 2JZ blocks? People are saying they can make 1100-1400 hp, before you need to look at grouting, or reinforcing the block. www.supraforums.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-536496.html So, I think that's really starting to mean, to me, that the 2JZ is really, the stronger of the two.

Fuck yr. Chev all the way.

you better check that again. sbf has always made more power. chevy has always had to make more cubic inch. hell we have 306's running 5 sec 1/8 mile times. bet you wont see a 305 chevy running that.

@@tremail12 WHATTTTTTTT?! BITCH Ford had to make a fucking V10 to try and compete with the chevy 8.1 and STILL COULDN'T COMPETE. I've never seen someone say something so completely wrong and be serious. How do you look at yourself in the mirror knowing you're that full of shit?

@james robinson - Not always, Bro. Shelby GT 350 Mustang with a little 289 beat the snot out of the bigger 327 Corvette for SCCA B Production Championship 3 years in a row - 65,66 and 67.

@@tremail12 how about a Chevy DZ 302.

mean gene i couldnt agree more especially from an n/a prospective i wouldve put better heads in the coyote and the gt500 plenum and intake manifold

William Stewart 4 what? anyone knows the coyote is heavier

Rodolfo Munoz I'm a technical person, "it's heavier" doesn't cut it for me.

William Stewart on their website they have the weights listed and I believe it was 415 pounds and the coyote was 430 pounds so they were close with the ls3 being a bit lighter.

Duane Craig Thank you, I figured it would be somewhat close.

William Stewart I think he might be right I was under the impression it was 420 LS and coyote 445..... yeah it's close it's just you'd expect an way "larger " motor to be alot heavier

No but I've seen a Camaro with a 20b in it run 7.9 at 183 and damn that blew my mind

Just wait i have one in the works

Facts !!!!

They would wrather put them in corvettes lmao

because the fox body is better lighter better suspension better weight transfer thats why chevy guys use the ford mustang...there both good engines ...me I'm old school and do crazy shit like i built a 400m ford with 4bbl cleveland 4v heads that runs a rons fuel injection on alky in a sand drag toyota truck i put many chevys on the trailer even big blocks

@fitty6pickemup is that why owners of older mustangs are replacing their Ford motors with Chevy LS motors?

The LS is cheaper to build or modify, is physically more compact, and just as fuel efficient (if not moreso). 6.2 liters yet makes more power from half as many intake and exhaust halves, 1 cam phaser instead of 4, 1 cam instead of 4, and a timing chain that miles shorter. Yet it's just as compact in external dimensions, weighs the same or slightly less, and bolts up to a dozen different transmissions. There's a reason the LS swap is dogged for being TOO common and there's a reason most guys dismiss a 5.0 Coyote swap due to the costs involved. You can make up any arbitrary calculation you want, but there is an inherent advantage to pushrod V8's. It's why the Ford guys were so hyped up when the Godzilla 7.3 showed up even though it was only intended for the Super Duty trucks. They secretly know that there are huge advantages to 16-valve pushrod V8's. Ford engineers admitted they picked a 16v pushrod design because it was more fuel efficient for the torque and horsepower it would produce compared to OHC designs.

@@wernerziegler6709 I agree, but hear me out. -- On an LS, the lower operating speed makes transmission shift quality better. The lower RPM makes the system safer and more responsive. The higher average port velocity and angularity does make fuel economy and combustion better on average. Plus, you can use the same cylinder head for either side. -- Trust my calculation. When an engine scores low, that just means it has modification potential. The bigger the engine, the badder it'll be. A 6.2 is 20% bigger than a 5.0. That's the mindset for that equation. It's why I like big blocks with symmetric port heads. The new 632 is built that way. -- That said, there are reasons to like the coyote. -- It has straight raised ports, so the width of the torque peak for any given camshaft setup will be wider and cooler running. -- The headers don't get mangled with the spark plugs, which is nice sometimes. -- The spark plugs are kept under sealed coils, which is nice from a maintenance standpoint. -- With a VVT delete, the coyote would be a very nice road-race engine. -- If you grenade a camshaft somehow, a DOHC engine will not destroy the block.

It doesn’t mater. Theres so many other comparison to take in consideration. The LS will always be better because of its configuration. Smaller, lighter, better hp per gallon and pound. Way to go!

Pushrod motors allow you to get much more displacement in a smaller and lighter package. It’s just reality. Overhead cams are cool but the physical size and weight of the motor just goes up and up. It’s why hp per liter isn’t a great measure. That 6.2 is physically smaller, lighter, better mpg, and easier to make power.

Um that's actually less HP per displacement in the LS, and easier to work on is lolololololol

Nicole Smrekar That’s exactly why hp per liter isn’t a good measure of comparison. It’s deceiving. The coyote has less displacement, but is a much physically larger motor and is heavier, like I explained above. Clearly you don’t work on cars if you don’t think the LS is easier to work on. Even the Coyote guys won’t dispute that. Plus I said easier to make power. Can a Coyote make an increase of 100hp with a $250 camshaft? Again, even the Coyote guys won’t dispute that. Both motors have merit and I have loved the Coyote powered cars I have driven. The LS is just a better all around motor in my opinion.

@@ardyshane23 It's 50 pounds heavier withno accessories, fully assembled the LS3 is actually 7lbs heavier. So while it's bigger (Just got a great look at it as we're doing a Boss 5.0 to 5.3 block right now). IT's actually not heavier in the car. And you're speaking from inexperience, the Coyote is way easier to work on. I get it, you're a fanboy. Let me stop you right there. People don't buy camaros to mod them. lol You're talking about 1 in 1000s of people. vs 1 in 10 coyotes. Further Direct quote "My 2010 SS made 99Rwhp more with LTHs, cams, CAI, and tune". So no you're not getting 100HP out of cams, keep dreaming.

I think you are right about the tuning and/or parts choices. Like some else said I think they actually handicapped the LS by comparing new parts to used ford parts. For $10k they could have gotten more out of an LS.

They did the test with a first gen Coyote -- for 10k they could have crushed both engines they built.

@@mjobusch had they spent more wisely they could have crushed both engines with a used LS too!

That's true -- I'm a fan of both -- I have a 2015 Mustang, so obviously a Coyote fan, but yes -- the LS is also an amazing choice -- got hit last week, and waiting to see what happens insurance-wise -- I'm considering a switch to an LT (Stingray), though with the cylinder deactivation and direct injection, I don't know if I want to go that route -- and I'm a little "meh" on the Corvette styling - but maybe that's okay.

@@mjobusch Honestly now.....you don't think it is at least a little embarrassing for Ford that decades old Chevy motors are still largely the motor of choice and still giving new top shelf Ford motors problems?

If you're a true motor head than you really don't care much about the name on the engine, only the specs and how ir reacts to modifications. SO TRUE...... ANDS THATS WHY YOU'LL FIND MORE LS engines in built fords than coyotes in everything else combined.