So its like: Ne: Explore, explore, explore... more, more and more Ti: That one is promising. This one makes sense. This is connected with that. Si: Ok, that's enough. Enough exploring. Choose the best option and define the course of action. Follow throught. Ne: No! That will cease the exploration process (anxiety).
Can’t remember my source... but recall reading in my thousands of thousands hours of research on mental health, personality and research ... I recall coming across a high prevalence rate between ENTP and ADD/ADHD diagnosis. Makes sense now. Hmmm
Stephanie Eddens I swear, for the past 2 years I've been wondering whether I have ADHD or not. A lot of symptoms were there, but I always felt that something is missing, like the symptoms aren't prominent enough. Plus even if it's annoying, it doesn't complicate my life much, not enough to make me truly worried. More recently I've discovered the whole BMTI thing, I got ENTP and while doing my research I'd always stumble upon characteristics and behaviors similar to the ones people with ADHD have. Now I think that was it all the time, I don't have a mental disorder, it's just my personality, and I'm so glad :))
Edwin Falkner Ti is more like: “my identity is my reason”. For instance, why would a tall person play basketball even if his family don’t like, well because he is tall and therefore he should be the best. That’s why he doesn’t care about what other people like.
The idea that ENTP’s shift between Ti and Fe is so true. As an ENTP I am super Fe in situations where I trust and know everyone in the room. If there are “strangers” in the mix I am mostly Ti, challenging everything said and not accepting inaccuracy. I ruin the harmony while desperately wanting it. I usually claw it back though with what most people would describe as charm.
I know you commented a year ago, but what you said resonates with me except I'm the opposite. With strangers I am very Fe; not crossing any lines, maintaining social harmony etc. But when I'm with close friends I get extremely argumentative and sadly occasionally challenging people's personal views they hold very dear and thus end up causing discord and sometimes even tears. My question to you is; Do you suspect you are using Fe or Ti more? I wonder if we unleash our favorite of those 2 when we're with people we trust and feel safe with or if the prioritized function is what we tend to use with strangers as it comes to us easy and more naturally.
@@anderpanders6210 I suspect it’s not unconscious. I want different things in different situations. Those that know me well generally don’t fuck with me cause of the implications. So I’m cuddly yet thought-evoking but not confrontational. Though some old friends deliberately poke for the craic . And I indulge nostalgically. With new people I’m Fe initially and as much as possible but always find myself injecting something disharmonious so they have fair warning of what they are dealing with. Protection mechanism most likely. Btw I’ve had a drink. Just riffing really. This shit ain’t science.
I am an ENTP and with my personal experience this is 100% true. Routines are hell. No thank you! When they’re forced upon me for about a day I will try and conform but after that I normally rebel
So true. I look at the rest of humanity as cattle being led through gates and funnels, and not really considering just a different path. I always reject the accepted path unless I can be shown that their path is better than my own. Insurance is one. Why just just keep/save the money and pay for my own heart attack out of pocket?
This is too accurate for words. My ENTP friend ALWAYS gets in trouble at his job, because he thinks every rule and protocol is stupid as hell and makes it a pleasure to break them and explain to his managers a millions ways why it's pointless. And as an ISTJ I'm like ''But..........you'll end up getting fired eventually so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove is really smart''
(Sigh). I'm an intj parent of what I strongly suspect is an ENTP kid. I am REALLY struggling with the "rules are meant to be flouted" response. What's worse is I UNDERSTAND (at least partly) the need for independence.... but GEEZ, you still must live in society! And when you irritate your immediate "tribe" by making yourself impossible to live with.... life is going to be hard!
As an ENTP, I actually find people breaking rules annoying without knowing how smart certain rules actually are. At my previous work, my manager with weak Ne always tried changing certain tools to speed up process, then I will get extremely pissed off by how stupid their ideas are trying to sacrifice risk with 5-10 minutes extra of efficiency. I will call them out being stupid and short sighted at all time. Then they’d come back and haunt me with a shit rating in my appraisal. Yeah you guessed right! My bosses were ESTJ!
@@dday9433 apparently when I was 3 I informed my mom (an ESTJ) that while I understood the power she had over my life I resented it. According to her that's when she knew I was going to be a challenge. It works out though. Your kid just needs to get on top of the tribe she desires. I've ended up as a massage therapist that manages a team of massage therapists. It's beautiful! I'm not the owner so I don't have to worry about the crap that comes with that. My clients are constantly new with interesting problems for me to figure out and try new ideas. I setup the social dynamics of my massage team to create a smooth working environment where I don't have to deal with drama or bureaucracy and neither does anyone else to my knowledge. I have it running almost on auto pilot and I get to play with that formula when I think of you have an idea for it to run better. Dream job!
@@dday9433 maybe this will help? As a kid I got allowed as much leeway as possible over MY space. I would rearrange my room over and over sometimes into configurations that didn't make any sense, painted and I did lots of weird experiments. My projects and improvements had to be funded by me and completed by me. The rest of the house wasn't mine and wasn't mine to play with, not because of rules, but because of respect for those who had to share the space. Absolute freedom, with consequences and respect for others. I didn't realize it at the time and figured my folks just didn't mind enough to stop me from moving around my dresser when the thought struck me at 3am. That was probably true too, but looking back that was both a good outlet and lesson.
Actually, I would say the biggest fear of an ENTP is not neccesarily a fear from outside controll, even though, that is a big one as well. I think the biggest fear of an ENTP is a fear of missing out. The fear of being able to do something better than currently, but never realizing the full potential of a situation. The fear of not having enough options, not having enough friends, not having a creative enough job, interesting enough programmes for the weekend. not having enough life experience. Etc Etc. I think those are the biggest fears of an ENTP. As well as people rejecting him not for what he says, but what he is. So basically being biased against an ENTP in an argument will make him utterly an completely mad.
Also my Si and Ne clash at a 50/50 rate when I am trying to research something I don't know well. I don't wanna get more options because I'm scared at how the information will be handled and might go out of control but at the same time I am paranoid about not having enough information to make a proper decision yet I don't do anything.
Same 🥹 Was new to this filled complete opposite of my previous one so I need to learn more things about it. My NE is having a blast but my Si says STOP stop too much hahaha it was my first time working in desk job 😂
I'm an ENTP, and it's not so much that I fear rules or restrictions, it's that I hate rules or restrictions that I think are stupid or wrong and the knowledge that I have limited control over my life and that much of how life plays out is arbitrary and unjust terrifies me. I have very little respect for authority simply because it is authority (I do respect authentic expertise and defer to it.) I find rules comforting and useful when they make sense and infuriating when they either don't make sense or strike me as cruel.
As a fellow ENTP I feel you on this 100 percent. I hate arbitrary rules or someone trying to micromanage me. I usually take the lead in most situations but I definitely respect higher authority/expertise and I know when I’m not the smartest in the room
Thank You! Don’t tell me I can’t say “offensive” words. Don’t tell me what subjects I have to learn when. God I hated school. I’ve learned so much just obsessively researching on my own.
Exactly! If you wanna tell me not to do something, you better tell me a valid reason why. I absolutely must know, because if I don't, I will actually make an effort to break the rule just to annoy you because I think you're annoying.
Dave, I have been studying MBTI related stuff for the past couple years. You have helped me in ways with this video that has escalated my learning of personality typology more than most of the stuff I have taken in these past couple years. I was fixed in the order of the functions, and wasn't able to see things beyond that (more strategically and flexible with the functions). Thank you. -INTP
The accuracy is impeccable. I'm an ENTP (Debater) and as soon as you said "ENTP is afraid of control" I felt personally attacked because I just had an hour long discussion to myself in the shower about the core values of American Patriotism and how fucking rad freedom is. LMAO
This video has been thee one thing to help me settle that I am indeed an INTP once and for all (for I don't relate to this fear at all). Thank you for this gift of clarity!
Luke Reynolds I had a similar thought as well. I Let out a yelp with the fear word.... mention the word ORGaNIZE or ROUTINe and I go into overwhelm mode. Yet - I wANT to overcome this fear!
This explains so much. I had some folks typed as ENTJ that my colleague insisted were ENTPs. Now I finally understand the reasons. Fear of control can easily transition to resistance to being controlled (the ENTJ need for independence). I'm going to have a good long think about how to keep the two apart better as their motivations can easily lead to the same kinds of behaviours.
this happened with me actually. i see the ENTJ one and i actually shiver in every detail that he said... . Im the type of guy that idk why ppl alw choose as as the leader of the group, literally everywhere, to the point that i hate it when they do that. So im not an ENTP, then... .
I remember my last year in high school for my English exam, there was a question that I didn't understand. So I asked the teacher if she could explain it. She refused. She pretended not to know the subject. So I took my pen and crossed out the question, then I rewrote another question and answered it. I will not play with your rules if I don't agree. Does this behavior coincide with ENTP?
i already did this too, but i’m 14yo, so I’m not in the last year of school. in brazil we have Portuguese classes and grammar is so difficult. the teacher refused to explain so i crossed and made my own question, i got 0 in this one, but it had worth (sorry for my bad english)
Dave, I'm ENTP, whenever you said organsing organising organising , I cringed so hard felt like my body literally aching lol. Damn you INTJ with your Ni conclusion 👏
This speaks so well to a personal situation -- I wanted to hang in another year before retiring, but got reassigned to a different job. No cut in pay, and fewer responsibilities but also there was a continuing reduction in autonomy. When other employees left I was getting shoehorned into a job that was very rote and routine, with lots of rules and requirements. Do-nothing monthly reports were expected. I knew that it would drive me fucking crazy to stay so I retired ahead of plan, with absolutely zero regrets.
oh damn, this is so accurate. there are so many things I'd do if they were my choice, but when im forced to, im literally unable to do them. (Eg reading books for school - I love classical literature, but when im told to read a book for class im certainly not going to do so)
as en entp, the strangers ive had a conversation with have called me a rebel in one way or another, but i kinda like that, being rebellious is fun, FUCK RULES!
Fuck, this is SOOOO me. I could literally think of a pattern in my life to relate most of what you said. I’m the ENTP who leans towards introverted thinking more often than extroverted feeling, which is why I often have trouble interacting with others. But my social skills have improved and I don’t always have my foot in my mouth no more. 3 days on this RU-vid channel and I learned more about MBTI than I did the previous 3 months looking at crappy websites that only confused me more. Congratulations, Dave. You’re a freakin’ genius!
I did my doctorate degree in an obscenely rules based and oppressive environment and am only realizing now, years later, that it crushed my confidence and spirit. Now I know why.
I am looking for a university and my top worry is that I will be in a university where I wouldn't be able to do much other than research. I wanna be in a very open country and university.
out of curiosity, what's your degree in? I am interested in STEM, particularly nuclear engineering & biosystems engineering. I'm also interested in biophysics
At school I would get detentions from doing my homework but forgetting to bring it into school. And a couple of times I would forget to go to the detentions. First job I could not remember simple details like signing out each time I left work. I had to set alarms on my phone to go off and remind me.
So True ENTP here and it is impossible to actually stay on a single subject or plan and am known for fighting with my self or other people about the best way to do something
The biggest lesson in my life was how I constantly ran into trouble because of my poor organization habits (once I actually had more freedom). Once I dealt with that and started holding myself accountable, my internal peace was significantly greater.. You can really say that I've come up with various Ti systems to compensate for my shitty Si. This is still very different from how my ISFJ wife uses Si - for her Si is a way of life. The way she describes it is that she just feels when things are getting disheveled and she just instinctively wants to deal with it now so she can relax later. Yesterday she pointed out that the living room is getting untidy/dirty, meanwhile I haven't even noticed it because I've been obsessed with researching bitcoin/MBTI/politics.
so very accurate, also imagine how I much I struggled growing up with two ESFJs for parents who constantly tried to control my life and what I did and how I do everything bleh
I’ve been struggling with identifying my type, but this video really hits home about the little rules fear - I rant about little rules and joke about the fact I must seem like a raving lunatic to every else at the same time, all the time. I’ve been shifting toward this idea of being a double decider Ti/Fe too. Used to think I was (INTJ). Combine this with the video on how we make 20 minute problems into huge dumps of drama (the parking spot rules are so stupid), as well as the fear of the tribe not getting me and just being clueless about what the tribe wants, wow. My literal bottom line at my job is: “You give me freedom and I give you better results than anyone else, at any task, all the time!” 😂
ENTP - I stopped listening and glazed over at about 20 seconds, and was mindlessly scrolling through the comment section at about 45 seconds when I caught myself ;)
You are close in your examples of us Ne doms' fears; it's not control that bothers us-- it's certainty. Si people take comfort in the known, but for people with Si demon, one of our greatest fears is when we are resigned to doing something that is set in stone. Even if we never utilize it, Ne doms DESPERATELY crave the knowledge that they can change things on a whim, and don't have to commit to a single reality.
I knew I was an entp when I became the first person to ever be kicked out of the Advanced learning class at my gradeschool not for being unable to keep up, but breaking every single rule and disrupting the class every time the teacher told us to be quiet
I entered the classes, and left with a score of rules added. Meanwhile, got 1 question off from perfect on the state exams and was lightyears ahead of my class (who were all advanced) xD Most of my uni issues were with administration/finance dept/interpersonal with a bad professor, or with transit to class/food. The only other issues were a few freak family issues. I can say that I never struggled with any material presented. Tho, there was one class where we were graded before the info was presented. Awful professor and very condescending. We were also given marks against for questions or asides.
the part about having to organize and number the list made me laugh. like the ENTP is gradually getting more worried and scared the more someone wants them to prioritise and rank importance of ideas
WOW It finally clicked for me why I have such a hard time with Si and Ne is ruining my life by being so overactive! My "obsessive need for more" and my huge fear of control and rules. The principal of the rules matters too, if it makes sense and serves a true purpose for the overall good, its fine, but if its limiting for no reason, I have a big problem getting past it, especially if there are consequences and I just want to go around the rules just becase they are stupid or flawed. Ok so now how to fix this and get those lists and prioritizations done...
I found this both entertaining and insightful. Never heard someone talk about the bounce between Fe and Ti (60/40 rule) it explains why I'm not as much a dick as most personality profiles describe ENTPs
Makes sense. I've always stated that the reason Blue is my favorite color in magic is because I want to defend myself from being controlled, not because I want to control others.
I'm an ENTP and while I was watching this video I was like thinking "I don't mind rules! :(". Then I remembered how mad I was (yesterday) when they took my water bottle at a stadium just because they want you to buy one there. hahahahaha yeah I'm still kinda mad
"NO" to sensory!!! Me In A Deployment Line: This is crap. We should have been on the plane and out of here, two hours tops. Friend: We're going to a warzone. It takes a lot of paperwork. Me: Whatever man.
I’m an ENFP and the parts talking about fear of control were soooo relatable! And then when I talk about it to other people some of them don’t see why THAT’S what’s holding me back, of all things! It’s the most horrid monster in the world to me 😅
I love these diagrams showing the functions, I thought I was ENTP then I thought maybe ESTJ. But the examples about control really cracked me up. Every issue I have a work is about people controling how I do my job, or changing the rules to impose their will onto me. I thought I was obsessed with getting on with people, but I think it's more to do with control
I've realized this year that ENTPs do not make good traders on the stock market because even though we very often make analytical and well thought out choices in what to buy, we always want to bounce around stocks and are not willing to wait for our hunches and research in a stock (which is mostly accurate) to pay off. I can't tell you how much money I've given up this year by making great choices in stocks then not waiting long enough for them to bear fruit and subsequently watching them moon from the sidelines while I am stuck in newer positions. I have to say that I feel empowered by finally realizing this.
I’m an ENTP and I actually like structure and very good at managing and organising!!! Breaking rules and customs is a pleasure I must admit and I do so vengefully! A bit strange I guess
Yes, I can absolutely confirm all of this. Shit, man, I fear control or being controlled by anyone and it's giving me a hard time to make me fit in society.
I have a micro managing aunt who I’ve never gotten along with. She always says I’m in my ‘own little world’. So...hehehe, I asked her, “um, excuse me-what do you mean my own little world?” She nervously laughed. She is the type that wishes there is drama, so she’ll be the hero to fix it. She talks a whole lot (2 and 1/2 hours last time we met...) she always needs everything to be her way, or she’ll pounce on me. I am a little bitter, and I have tried to get it right, but people barely change. Lol...I’m an ENTP wondering what her mbti might be.
@@jerusalem4492 Now that I think of it...ESFJ fits. She is always telling me to skip drama and gossip and boys...and I couldn't agree any less. But now I will learn more about cognitive functions to clarify.
I'm an ENTP I understand why I should wear a mask in populated areas and stuff, but when we were first told about the CDC guidelines and wear masks regulations, I have to be honest I got really defensive, and really pissed off because someone was trying to tell me what to do, and for the longest time I couldn't find out why I was so afraid of rules and stuff until I saw this video and did some research
imagine how stressed and depressed and frustrated while i was serving, listen if you relate to any of the things named in this video maybe you are an entp, FINISH your studies i know it can be super boring and super annoying but if you dont you will end up in a job you dont like at all for at least 3 years until you are fed up with said job bs, in my case the army, that place was to me an actual nigthmere and i wish nobody to be in such a situation
Aaron Rubinstein I guess his explanation is that they don't like being picked apart, and forced to face their actual motives. To confront why they do what they do, because it's confusing, as contrasted with INFPs. This is anecdotal, but my ExxJ family members don't like me analyzing them, even when I'm right. My dad's a giving tree ESFJ and my brothers an hard but social ESTJ. As Dave's going to go into later that they are technically Fe/Ne, Te/Ne types.
I am definitely a classic ESTJ.... leading with my Te backed by Ne... and secondary function of organizing Si. you're not going to get much emotion or empathy from me LOLOL sympathy I do just fine. in regard to being picked apart.... I tear myself to shreds regularly... I challenge every thought and logic I have on a regular basis.... and I wouldn't necessarily fear that from someone else. I really hate not being accepted by the tribe for my reasons... I would say not liking being analyzed is a maturity trait and an openmindedness rather than a tie to ESTJ personality. I'm fairly open to being analyzed when done properly. I would probably add a fear of people seeing me emotional.... though that excludes a significant other.... totally emotionally extroverted then.... also fear of losing control.... I don't mind letting go of the reins assuming the person controlling them is a competent individual... can't take it when its not done properly though (and properly doesn't mean "my way") but then again, that's kind of generic and most people would be bothered by that
