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Ep. 131 - DEEP DIVE with GARMIN | Xero C1 Pro Chronograph | 

Hornady Manufacturing
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On this episode, Seth is joined by Garmin Senior Product Manager, Chad VanCamp and Software Engineer, Phillip Carroll. The guys discuss what prompted Garmin to enter the sporting chronograph market and what the R&D process entailed for the XERO C1 Pro Chronograph. The conversation also covers some of the engineering hurdles along the way and finishes up with the obligatory one cartridge/one bullet question. We hope you enjoy the dive into the most popular chronograph on the market!

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@CaptainCreampie69
@CaptainCreampie69 3 месяца назад
I literally just gave my magneto speed to the guy who replaced my blinds two days ago because I bought one of these a month ago and he was talking about buying one and didn’t have the money for it. He gave a screaming good deal on the blinds so I figured I didn’t need two chronographs and selling it is a pain…
@Alan.livingston
@Alan.livingston 3 месяца назад
I’ve been running a magneto speed for a long time and I’ve been looking at one of these as an upgrade. The magneto is a good product, but I’m always having to fiddle with it as it works its way loose, and it does affect the accuracy of some of my rifles so I can’t always track velocity while testing for group size.
@herrprepper2070
@herrprepper2070 2 месяца назад
Lose the headgear
@codyway7424
@codyway7424 3 месяца назад
Project manager gets an F for not bringing a sample for show and tell.
@theblade110
@theblade110 3 месяца назад
Easily it’s the “Shooting Product of the Year”.
@redneckchemtech7621
@redneckchemtech7621 3 месяца назад
No, shooting product of the decade
@erickaracsonyi4415
@erickaracsonyi4415 3 месяца назад
@@redneckchemtech7621that’s can be argued, but definitely not a hot take at all. Definitely in the top 5.
@mckimmym
@mckimmym 3 месяца назад
It’s so easy to use. It’s silly to spend your money on something else.
@muffins4tots
@muffins4tots 3 месяца назад
After I shot my Caldwell chronograph I bought one and never looked back
@mckimmym
@mckimmym 3 месяца назад
@@muffins4tots Exact same here. Once I was gonna have to spend money on one I figured I better get something that I can’t shoot.
@benbreakfast4314
@benbreakfast4314 3 месяца назад
Despite the price, still one of my favorite purchases of the last year.
@DG2244
@DG2244 3 месяца назад
These guys are so humble yet created a game changing product that everyone wants. Great video.
@HockeyDad6631
@HockeyDad6631 3 месяца назад
Without question the beat chrono I have used/owned. Makes my MagnaSpeed look like ancient tech.
@BRADASSOFFGRIDHOMESTEAD
@BRADASSOFFGRIDHOMESTEAD 3 месяца назад
DeWalt, Garmin, and Hornady for me all day long!
@davidhochstetler4068
@davidhochstetler4068 3 месяца назад
Best firearm related product I’ve bought since getting a tripod
@Bob-w4u6k
@Bob-w4u6k Месяц назад
So sad I bought a labradar 😢 wish this product came out 2 yrs Sooner
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 3 месяца назад
🤷‍♂️ Why Would You Buy Anything Else? It is At The Top of My Shopping List! 👍
@onebadjack1313
@onebadjack1313 3 месяца назад
Nice subject, good timing, I've been thinking about ditching the labradar for a Garmin.
@davidhochstetler4068
@davidhochstetler4068 3 месяца назад
I did. Not even a comparison
@rslsmithing
@rslsmithing 3 месяца назад
I did. Sold it the next month and bought labrader LX. Just not impressed with garmins software, used to get their GPS, the old ones were good, the new one is parked at home, same as their watch.
@onebadjack1313
@onebadjack1313 3 месяца назад
@rslsmithing what's better about the software? I'm going to order one or the other next week probably I've been on the fence about which one to buy.
@rslsmithing
@rslsmithing 3 месяца назад
@onebadjack1313 I've had the big labradar for 5-6 years and have gotten quite used to their software and interface. I've had garmin gps's since the early 93 and have really liked them till around 2015 or thereabouts and their smart watch, and I can't stand the software anymore. Its bery poor. Garmin, from what I've seen of mine when I had it, it is as minimalist as you can get in every way. All 3 do the job very well, but if you handle the garmin, think about handling the cheapest plastic product that's made in China, and then handle the labradar lx made 100 percent In north America. That whole presentation was so disingenuous from the start, saying that what they had was groundbreaking, and it seemed to carry through the whole presentation. They lost me and now I'm being tonwonder about Hornady products too.
@baron2375
@baron2375 3 месяца назад
I have a Xero and absolutely love it!! Particularly compared to the "other" Doppler radar chrono that I gave to my cousin when I got the Garmin. However, there have been a number of suggestions/feature requests submitted by owners (read long thread on Sniper's Hide) and I would hope Garmin takes these seriously. Things like being able to add shots to a session that's closed out, not going into firmware update mode when connected to the app unless specifically selected by the user, being able to "Delete All" sessions and not have to do this individually, etc. All of these should be easily programmable in this great unit. The only other think I want to say is about the comments wrt to Hornady's great QA. Frankly, having shot their loaded ammo for a long time, I personally have found the consistency of their factory ammo to have gone down significantly. Shows up in ES and SD...when using a chrono! Shame, really. Cheers
@sdkweber
@sdkweber 2 месяца назад
The Oehler Model 33 was and is still able to record velocity in excess of 4,000 fps since the 1980's. I rely on it for my .220 Swift loads at 4,274 fps. I still have the Oehler but have switched over to the Labradar. Is there a round with a muzzle velocity anywhere near 5,000 fps? I am not aware of any.
@MrHuntermikey
@MrHuntermikey 3 месяца назад
Owned one since December . Hasn’t missed a shot yet. Been great
@barbarapiercy4312
@barbarapiercy4312 2 месяца назад
I hope you’re reading this. I hope you have a line to communicate this comment to the Garmin team. My biggest disappointment with ALL chronographs and their apps is that you can only shoot/record one firearm at a time. Ideally, you should be able to shoot as many firearms as you want and PAUSE the session, shoot another string PAUSE it, etc…… and then come back to it and CONTINUE the string!!!!! As it is, you have to save each string and then manually input all of the data into a ballistic calculator. Since you have to manually input the data WHY BOTHER BUYING A GARMIN???? I plan on sticking with my F1 Chrony. I have to manually input the data from it too. The difference is, it only cost me $100. If Garmin (and the rest) would make it so you could PAUSE your string then come back and CONTINUE the same string later, I would buy it in a heartbeat. PS. Love the channel!!!😊
@MrCclimeGo
@MrCclimeGo 3 месяца назад
I wanted the Garmin, but it's still new and the price is a little prohibitive. I just picked up my first ever "chrono" /velocity measuring device and it's the 1st Gen Lab Radar; quite simply because it was on sale at a $250 discount. Obviously they're going to phase out the Gen 1 because they have a small unit like the Garmin now also. I'm sure I'll end up with a Garmin one day when they're less expensive. Thanks again for another great topic on the podcast ‼️🤙😎
@josesuro3981
@josesuro3981 3 месяца назад
Pure unadulterated "blow you mind" American ingenuity in full display! Good to see it is still alive and well. and these young people coming through for us. Superb podcast Seth - Thanks to you all.... And of course, I got a C1direct from Garmin two weeks after the announcement.
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@Johnsormani
@Johnsormani 3 месяца назад
I got one yesterday ( in Europe) . Great piece of kit. The only gripe I have is the shot view app which automatically translates all of the terminology wrong in my language ( Dutch) . It’s like i am at the aliexpress website . Also , maybe I missed it but I can’t see any Ipsc idpa power factor calculations , only footpounds
@davidlaney8254
@davidlaney8254 3 месяца назад
I have to wonder how many calls and emails Hornady receives every day from people who complain the velocities they're getting don't match what's shown on the box. If you haven't already created a video that explains why "customer results may vary", you should.
@rslsmithing
@rslsmithing 3 месяца назад
New innovation? You do know that the labradar has been out for close to a decade? If not, look into it, it's a great product and does have some advantages over the garmin. I've had all three the 3rd being the labradar lx. If you do know that it's out there.....you literally just have to copy and paste.
@jeffb.3052
@jeffb.3052 3 месяца назад
Just hoping now they will kinda switch gears to enhancing the UI. It could be so much better. Fantastic hardware and the firmware works well but the UI is simply lacking some basic needs.
@TheParkingLotGarage
@TheParkingLotGarage Месяц назад
I’d like to see an integration between Hornady’s group analysis tool and the session data from the Garmin xero!
@thomashansen9390
@thomashansen9390 3 месяца назад
Love this show
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
Thank you!!
@Benroe-yz1nz
@Benroe-yz1nz 3 месяца назад
Mine hasn't missed a shot, 22lr to 300 win mag. Very impressed👍👍
@Patrick-xd8jv
@Patrick-xd8jv 3 месяца назад
This is the best a most user friendly chronograph by far that I have ever owned. Great job Garmin!
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
Glad you like it!
@tomforeman4976
@tomforeman4976 2 месяца назад
The problem Hornady has they don't produce there own powder. If they did they would eliminate the problem they have with the 7 prc or say that was caused by another company buy up the entire inventory of the powder they tested with. If they make there own powder they would be selling powder to the compition so they could actually keep up.
@daveknowles3055
@daveknowles3055 3 месяца назад
Great show, I'm saving up for the Garmin to replace my old screen style. Hope Seth isn't taking them for fast food!
@johnhansen1684
@johnhansen1684 3 месяца назад
Its such a nice unit to have at the range when bringing more than one rifle ore if anyone want to borrow it you dont have to worry about it getting blasted like the magnetospeed. Picked up mine at the post office and went straight to the range and it worked without any problems. Setup was very easy
@destrywilcox6534
@destrywilcox6534 3 месяца назад
Going to have to pick one of these up eventually. This with the Hornady 4dof app .
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
You won't regret it
@davecollins6113
@davecollins6113 3 месяца назад
Why do you think those guys were at Hornady? Could it be--the next iteration of the Zero will have 4Dof on it? The Garmin watch is avail with 4Dof I believe, and Applied Ballistics is avail on it as well. Seems a very natural progression. I'm also thinkng that they may be able to come up with longer range reading abilities too, probably more than Labradar had. Their focus now, will be how many features can we pack into this unit, and the "what can we do in the cost vs price point categories with it". They've hit on a home run market, and have the people and tech ability, that can exploit it to the max, in house.
@destrywilcox6534
@destrywilcox6534 3 месяца назад
Exciting times in the long range shooting sports.
@rfdsrd
@rfdsrd 2 месяца назад
The Garmin Xero C1 is truly a "pocket clock it"!
@lukereef
@lukereef 3 месяца назад
Just picked one up to replace my pro chrono, had the chance to use the xero c1 before purchase as my brother works in a hunting store, wow- this product is the best thing out right now for measuring velocity and its stupid easy to use. Well done Garmin
@WilliamCChapin
@WilliamCChapin 3 месяца назад
One of the best things about the Garmin is the ease of setup adjacent to the firing position. Elimination of the need to align sky screens to the bullet flight path is a huge safety and convenience benefit.
@A-a-ron480
@A-a-ron480 2 месяца назад
Yes, well done guys, I love my crony. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
@johnt34aus
@johnt34aus 3 месяца назад
Have a Labradar and my friend got the Garmin. What a leap forward, so tiny and does not miss a shot. Absolutely no setup. Incredible! But question how does it trigger?
@HunterMikeWI
@HunterMikeWI 3 месяца назад
An object moving down range in the velocity range you choose…simple
@trg3761
@trg3761 3 месяца назад
A non replaceable battery is a big road block for me, every chronograph I've owned had that option.
@josesuro3981
@josesuro3981 3 месяца назад
I wondered about that. There's a lot of screws to turn to open it up....
@soonersteve3733
@soonersteve3733 3 месяца назад
Could you guys address the difference between the calculations in determining velocity, ES, and SD for Labradar and your chronograph? I think that is the biggest difference.
@thomashansen9390
@thomashansen9390 3 месяца назад
For SD there are 2 formulas. Sample and Population. Sample is for less than 30 shots and population is for greater than 30. The difference isn’t huge but typically if the population equation is used when the shots are less than 30 the SD will be lower than what it should be if the correct equation was used. Garmin uses the population equation for all their SD calculations (so I’m told) so the SD you will get on the garmin vs labradar may be different
@ewathoughts8476
@ewathoughts8476 3 месяца назад
Now make a two channel strain gauge reading device for reading chamber pressure and barrel time. It needs to work stand alone like the C1 (no app to operate, but with downloading after).
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 3 месяца назад
🤷‍♂️ I Said Exactly That To Them in Last Weeks Episode! 😂
@johnkelly9337
@johnkelly9337 6 дней назад
How does it do with a 50 bmg will it survive.
@badkarma5776
@badkarma5776 2 месяца назад
Make it better with a upgrade to down range velocity
@instrument3051c
@instrument3051c 3 месяца назад
how can you NOT have one sitting on the Table???????
@nosam6002
@nosam6002 3 месяца назад
I have been running my C1 for awhile and love the little gadget.
@jwschroeder804
@jwschroeder804 3 месяца назад
My Magnetospeed has never missed a shot, BUT hanging off the barrel did not allow me to use it during competition or while sight-in to collect velocities. The Zero on the other hand is a home run… HOWEVER…… mine misses 10% of the shots (22LR to 7PRC) when used at our 100 m indoor range! I have videos to support my experience. Other Zero owners do not have the same outcome in the same environment? Despite the shortfall I use it every time I shoot from 1042 to 4100 fps and try to note the missed shots. Just saying……
@sellen1123
@sellen1123 3 месяца назад
Best Father’s Day gift today!
@MWterritory
@MWterritory 3 месяца назад
Great show. Been on the fence about the Garmin chronograph. Great to hear that they got Hornady stamp of approval. I think I am going to pick one up. Do they work with 4DOF? That would be awesome real time muzzle velocity corrections.
@thorick590
@thorick590 3 месяца назад
Locally, the market for used second hand LabRadar Chronos has crashed. Every guy that could afford to, parked their LabRadars and went Garmin...
@boggstucson5415
@boggstucson5415 3 месяца назад
Having had Magnetospeed and Labradar, the Garmin is soooo much easier to use! So far, no dropped shots. Just place 8 inches next to barrel and six inched back, and it works every time. Other site’s side by side comparisons have validated the accuracy. Winner!
@edwinlongwell
@edwinlongwell 3 месяца назад
When are we going to see integration with other products like the Tactix ballistic watch?
@RobActiveShooterEngh
@RobActiveShooterEngh 3 месяца назад
Please add Average Power Factor as an option for the main display on the Garmin. It's frustrating to not have that displayed along with other averages when done a string.
@user-TJ365
@user-TJ365 3 месяца назад
I had been waiting for a Labradar with Bluetooth to come back in stock when Gamin launched the Xero C1. I picked up the Garmin unit on the first retail run and couldn’t be happier with it. I had confidence in Garmin products having used their aviation gps units since 2002, I know they put in the time and effort to launch a product better than anything else on the market. Im so happy the labradar I wanted was out of stock, I hadn’t even heard rumors about the xero until a week before it was launched. Garmin nailed it and raised the bar for everyone else.
@redrock425
@redrock425 3 месяца назад
On my list to buy, but interested to see how long it will be supported for? Hopefully longer than the average smartphone or watch.
@joeculver6227
@joeculver6227 3 месяца назад
It’s amazing: it’s made the market flooded with cheap LabRadars!
@L0NGRNGE
@L0NGRNGE 3 месяца назад
Good job Garmin guys. This thing is perfect. Should win every product and design award there is.
@johnl5974
@johnl5974 3 месяца назад
Great video. I have little interest in this, but after watching a few minutes, I was hooked.
@danielmckibbin7572
@danielmckibbin7572 3 месяца назад
Use mine every time at the range, its great. I only wish i could open an individual rifle file and keep adding to that rifles data without have into start a new session everytime.
@elitearchery
@elitearchery 3 месяца назад
Love mine
@jeffsiewert1258
@jeffsiewert1258 3 месяца назад
I’ve got a couple questions for the Garments n guys: 1) What max G’s is the G Zero rated to withstand? Can i attach it to Picatinny rail in my rifle w/o damaging the unit? 2) Professionally, i’ve seen the ionized gas ejected at shot exit interfere with Doppler return for the first few datapoints.. when does the G Zero pick up the bullet, and does it extrapolate back to the muzzle? 3) can data be exported for analysis in a spreadsheet? Thanks for a great interview!
@rickroberts2182
@rickroberts2182 3 месяца назад
Data can be exported for use in a spreadsheet. Using the Garmin shotview app on my iPhone i was able to email the data to my iMac while at the shooting range.
@HB-kp6rl
@HB-kp6rl 3 месяца назад
Any chance of doing a factory tour video?
@hamspud35
@hamspud35 3 месяца назад
Great podcast, great information. Do you have public tours?
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
Thank you!! Unfortunately no tours at this time 😔
@hamspud35
@hamspud35 3 месяца назад
Thank you ordered 😀
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
Hope you like it!
@jacobdeem8187
@jacobdeem8187 3 месяца назад
Right out the gate... Tell us how good we are lol
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 3 месяца назад
Nice Product, But How Do They Calibrate It For Accuracy? 🕵️‍♂️
@josesuro3981
@josesuro3981 3 месяца назад
Don't know how "they" did it but I tried it next to a number of other chronographs at the range and differences were a couple of ft/s and sometimes less.
@ronlowney4700
@ronlowney4700 3 месяца назад
🤷‍♂️ Is the Reference Standard Doplar Radar? You Have To Have a "Reference/Verified Standard" To Test All of These Portable Electronic Devices For Accuracy and Calibrate Each of Them! So, I Want To Know HOW It Is Done Is My Question? 🕵️‍♂️
@snakeman48
@snakeman48 3 месяца назад
I sold my LabRadar last year because it was a pain to use. Finally got the chronograph itch when Garmin brought their out. Bought me one. Now I need to find time to set it up and start using it.
@davidhochstetler4068
@davidhochstetler4068 3 месяца назад
There’s literally no set up to it. Choose your settings for the shoot, slap it down on a table and go
@JosephBliss
@JosephBliss 3 месяца назад
Setting it up is as simple as turning it on, selecting a velocity range, entering a bullet weight (optional, used for kinetic energy calculations), then pointing it somewhat at the target.
@loadmastergod1961
@loadmastergod1961 3 месяца назад
Anyone can answer. Does it catch suppressed or subsonuc shots? Edit: i totally missed them answer my question.
@ewathoughts8476
@ewathoughts8476 3 месяца назад
It catches the salt from a fly zapper.
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
That is awesome 🤣
@josesuro3981
@josesuro3981 3 месяца назад
@@ewathoughts8476 🤣🤣🤣
@TMFShooting
@TMFShooting 3 месяца назад
Great Stuff 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
@hornady
@hornady 3 месяца назад
Thanks for listening
@michaelwilson9986
@michaelwilson9986 3 месяца назад
Cool however would have been much better if how to use it was apart of this. IE Set up for best readings..IMHO
@mastermoarman
@mastermoarman 3 месяца назад
Now if they could give us speeds down range and give us custom bc for our gun at the time of shooting would be awesome
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