Ep. 29 - Get a Huge Sound by Perfecting Toe In! Easy Speaker Setup | Home Theater Gurus 

Thanks. Glad you liked it!

No I haven't. Guess I need to check it out. Thanks!

Yeah I should probably do another one on two channel or tweaking for one seat. This one is of course getting good sound across a row so the goal is a little different.

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Yes I'll soon be covering Audyssey. Dirac will depend on if I can get my hand on a AVR with it to test. I'll say that both are very good if you know how to set them up and use the software. It would be very hard to tell the difference. Blind test have been done where they were set to the same target curves and they were indistinguishable.

We're all gurus! 😁

And then after episode 100 He’ll get the title of Grand Master

This guy really knows what he is talking, and teach people thru his channel. Yet, he accepts design and consulting service too for a fee. This guy is not really into the money, otherwise he will hold back on most of hia knowledge. This dude should be called Home Theater Saint.

Triad is only sold through dealers and they are responsible for assisting you with the layout. I actually do full layouts for all belayer sales. This really should be answered by your dealer as helping you here is part of his dealer responsibilities. Like any speaker toe in can and will drastically change the sound and sound stage. With Triad inwalls I do a false wall/bass trap wall that looks flat but allows them to be toed in. You're a tad close as well which you likely know. I really like to be in the 25-30 range to get a larger sound stage.

@@hometheatergurus Thanks for the reply. Really appreciate you taking the time. I will certainly run this by my dealer. I’ve learned a lot from you in this channel so appreciate getting your opinion. They are a bit close, and I do have room to widen them outside of screen. My issue is that I’m likely very limited with my front wide channel placement (9.2.4) and those will be at around 40-42 range (anything beyond that is open space to other side of basement). Hoping they can widen the sound stage for me while I keep the LR tucked in. Thanks again.

You pick a point (main listening position) in the room to take your measurements. I have an episode on calibrating for reference that covers it.

I have contact info in the description however I don't really like to "remotely" take on rooms that are cut up or really odd shaped as modal behavior isn't as predictable so I can't guarantee the results. Rooms like that really need someone on site. Of course I have episodes on how to do that yourself. One being ep 7.

Horizontal centers have issues off axis so you are on to something. In a dedicated room with multiple seats an identical center (identical to the mains) is absolutely best. With a wide row though you need a dedicated center to get good coverage. In a living room I honestly don't use a center. Horizontal centers have issues and don't look great Imo. Years ago I removed the center from the living room and found the same results as you. Perfect timbre, perfect vocals, no off axis issues and a cleaner look. Now you have a much smaller sweet spot so it's not going to be ideal for a dedicated space but for me where the living room is sports and cartoons it's perfect. Of course I can crank it and fill the house with music too. If I want an awesome theater experience it will do that too as long as you sit in the two seats that really get great imaging.

@@hometheatergurus its exactly that. Imaging doesn't sound as good with the center. And depth. I have everything setup correctly but everyone seems to think that I have it setup wrong that it has to sound better with a center - well not to me. All crossovers, setup, Audyssey and I even checked everything with a SPL meter are correct. With just LR speakers, the voicing seems wide, clear and has depth. And the voices actually pan from Left to Right or vice versa depending where a person is standing on the tv (if more to the right the voice has more weight towards the right etc). With the center, everythging seems so focused to just the center area. I can almost pin point it. Yeah this is just a living room and our couch has about 3 seats, and I have tested with all 3 seats and they all sound great (maybe because of distance our 3 seats are angle wise almost considered center from screen/center speaker). Someone closer having a wider angle between them and speakers might notice more of a gap in the middle. So all this to say Im not crazy rgiht? I think ill return my center speaker instead of having a 300-400$ speaker as an expensive paper weight that i wouldnt use.

I have to very much agree. Very often the center channel hogs the attention. I may be wrong, but I feel it is because of the extra speakers in the center that makes it overwhelming. Of course, the receiver pushes more to the center when it turned on, so I have turned the level down on the center 2-3dB from the LR speakers. Music sounds better on 4.1 and the DTS music setting. I might turn the center off for a week without telling the family. Then show them the difference and make a group decision about it.

Your screen is based on angles (viewing angle ), your speakers are also based on angles, if your speakers are far from the edges of the screen either your screen is way too small in viewing angle or your speakers are way too wide apart in angle.

@@hometheatergurus I have a wide wall and my 140" screen does not reach the edges of the wall . I think in this case toeing in is not relevant since my speakers would be closer in to complement the screen

The video says to experiment. The amount of toe in or lack of depends on the speakers off axis dispersion and how the side walls are treated. Sounds like you're judging a book by its cover. 😁.

Is it this video only or the previous ones too?

@@hometheatergurus all your videos sorry.

@@powerinnumbers6159 I've a few different mics in a few different rooms and haven't heard any concerns since I changed mics around ep 4. I'll look into it though.

See ep 52 and that explains how to get the largest sweet spot possible by manipulating toe in.