Ep 52. The Secret to Toe in for Home Theater! Easy! Home Theater Gurus. Mains, Rears, ATMOS.

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Easily Optimize speakers for Multiple seats. How to properly Toe in Home Theater speakers. Toe in of Mains, Rears and ATMOS ! Home Theater Gurus.
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@northeastcorals Год назад

Could you do a video showing some methods for toeing in in-walls as theres very little info out there, I certainly can't find much if any. It seems to be a bit of a can of worms in regards to how it may affect the sound, for example if you if you introduce angles to the walls near the speakers instead of just having a flat wall for it to use as a baffle etc. 👍

@doublet147 Год назад

Enjoyed the video. It has a good amount of knowledge. I feel that it is important to mention that the toe in (which I'm a fan of) amount is very dependent on the off axis response of the speakers & the width of the room. Also, the "cross aiming" (there is a more technical term used for this but it alludes me) that you mention can create amazing outcomes, but it is IMPERATIVE to state that the speaker characteristics for this to happen, require that the speakers used, be of narrow dispersion. You CANNOT get the same results with wide dispersion speakers. This "cross" actually works quite well with floorstanding L & R speakers also (being that they have a narrow dispersion).

@hometheatergurus Год назад

That's all true and most of it was mentioned but as you're doing this by ear it doesn't matter the room size or treatment plan or dispersion as we don't need to "think" about that stuff too much as our ears are hearing the result. All of that is a factor but the procedure accounts for it. I have gone over all of that in detail in other videos but I didn't want to make a simple video too complicated.

@rex8200 Год назад

Good stuff man. I’m changing things up a bit in my room and will take some extra time to get the speakers dialed in better. Thanks!

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks Justin! The new changes are going to be awesome!

@eEvangeliste Год назад

Keep the videos coming man 😅 Great job

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks eEvangesliste!

@sandeepjohny6480 Год назад

Very good information 👌 Expecting more educational videos about Dirac calibration for multiple seats and bass manegement for multiple subwoofer same way very intrested to know how to match low freequencies of FR/FL if considering 3way towers with Subwoofer easy way to understanding FR/FL low freequencies integration with subwoofer

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks Sandeep, Check out ep 9 on subs then a few episode later you'll see on on main to sub integration. For sub placement see ep 11, no room correction can fix issues that are based on poor placement.

@LDBaha Год назад

Can you make a video about having different brand of speakers on a 7 or 9 speaker bed layer? The idea being that in some home theaters (due to budget or other constraints) you can't always have perfect matching speakers

@gianfrancocastellano601 Год назад

Always love the informative videos thank you . I’m in the market for a new set towers and bookshelves for dedicated room 7’ ceilings 4 seater couch ! Martin Logan xt100 maybe? In need of advice, looking for kind of big upgrade

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Hey Gianfranco, That requires a lot of questions to really help you pick which we can do in a zoom session. If you'd like, contact me at the email address in the video description.

@gianfrancocastellano601 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus thank you for responding

@skip741x3 Год назад

Im sure it depends alot on the speaker design itself but I run polk monitor 60 speakers in my 7.1 system and keep them Almost flat as far as toe in..they may be 1/8 inch if even...they are about 2.5ft forward of the back wall and 4 or more feet from side walls... the imaging is superb with these.. when I turn off the center and just run stereo, you would Swear there is a center channel operating..there is also surround ambience created around and behind me even though all effects are off in pure stereo mode, again so much so at times that ive swore the surrunds were on but they werent...... what I found with toe in is that too much and you begin to collapse the soundstage width as well as that surround ambience... my sweet spot is suprisingly large and doesnt require me to sit in a perfect position to hear that soundstage... just offering feedback of this particular setup...all systems and rooms are different of course and may require a different approach..

@hometheatergurus Год назад

It does but as explained in the video our goal for home theater is coverage to as many seats as possible and to avoid steering which is a big deal to most that want a stereo image to more than one seat. That may or many not be something you care about.

@ants9574 Год назад

Hey boss man! Thanks for the video! Question, if my Home Theatre is only set up for myself, and I have only 1 MLP, should I just toe in my mains (Klipsch 600m) & my Atmos (Klipsch 500sa) speakers enough to where the tweeter is pointing directly at my MLP ? Or should I still be doing the extreme toe in ? Thanks!

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Hey Ant! If it's just for one seat play some known music and listen to how it changes the sound stage and imaging and chose what sounds best.

@kutispwet6441 11 месяцев назад

the "sweet spot" is an issue decades ago and BOSE have solved that by their direct-reflecting speakers many many years ago

@hometheatergurus 11 месяцев назад

Hey Hey Hey now.. lets not have that filthy language around here.......BOSE...😂. But no, Bose is not going to solve our issues. Bose also didn't invent reflecting speakers.. yet their advertising works.. so...

@Tearial311 Год назад

I use “extreme toe-in” on my Arendal 1723THX. I actually point the left and rights to the opposite seats on my couch.

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Yep, with narrow to medium dispersion more toe in is needed.

@The_O.G_Cyber_bully_24Hr_Ban 10 месяцев назад

I found this messing around I use all kef HTS 5001 in 5.1.4 set up. I have a 3 setter couch I line the speakers from the left to right to the opposite arms of the couch also with the rear I do the same the top surrounds are all pointed to the centre of the couch the difference is amazing. I came reading down the posts because I thought it was something I invented obliviously not LOL .

@hometheatergurus 10 месяцев назад

@@The_O.G_Cyber_bully_24Hr_Ban Yep it's crazy how much toe in can change the sound as you've witnessed. It's still cool to discover something yourself even if it was already known.

@Cat33733 Год назад

Great content as usual on my go to channel. Advice! At what position/angle would I toe in my surround speakers, which are very slightly behind the couch in relation to my seated position? I have a 5.1 setup.

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Thanks Charles! For surrounds the most important thing is that they're visible when seated at all times. Often they're blocked by seated heads or adjacent seat backs all of which are no good. Assuming placement is good aim them them at the MLP but if they're within 10 degrees of 90 you can aim them straight.

@Cat33733 Год назад

Thank you

@Cat33733 Год назад

Hi, sorry I did forget to mention that it's a three seater couch. Is it the same advice or slightly different taking into account the best placement for all three people?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

@@Cat33733 Yep.

@markpanlo15 Год назад

The speaker you got in your hand....is that the Platin Monaco Satellite WiSA Speaker? If so, any thoughts on WiSA in general?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Hey Mark, Man you've got some good eyes..😀. It sure is. I did a review on these a few years ago and was honestly quite impressed with how the 5.1 system performed. As for WiSA, at that time you could only use it on upper end LGs or Xbox. That was my only real issue. Soon after that review they had a new HUB come out that now can work with any TV. I haven't had a chance to try that out.

@trevormatt6663 Год назад

Instead of listening for the hiss increase at spot, is there a way to do it via a measurement with a mic?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

yeah you could analyze the response but I don't see a reason to slow down and complicate the process. Measurements are great for some things but we have other tools that can be more useful in cases like this.

@lesterd6480 Год назад

For Atmos I have Svs Prime elevation on front wall above the mains. Should I put them in the corners & toe them in, move to the ceiling & aim to mlp or leave them?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Hey Lester. Atmos need to be at an angle similar to where the studio had them to recreate what's intended. Check out ep . 49 and it'll show you how to easily calculate where they ideally will be.

@jimmykaka89 Год назад

So if I’m only concerned about my main listening position in my room (there are only 2 good seats for me) I don’t necessarily need to toe them in? I just need to follow the manufacturer guidelines for mounting position?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

You need to toe them in even if you have one seat. No manufacturer knows how your room is setup, how close they are to side walls, how the room is treated.. etc.

@NemoMangelk 8 месяцев назад

I am in Australia and I am planning a new build. How do I go about getting a quote for a Atmos 5.1.2 plan? Unfortunately I have limited space the room is 3.82m (12.5feet) wide x 3.6m (11.8 feet) long - 2.75m high (9feet). I think we will need to put the couch against the rear wall. My current plan is to have the rear speakers at 1.2m high (47 inches) pointing inwards and the top speaks just in front of the sitting position (trying to get the35 degree arc). With an OLED TV how do you place the center main? Won't it end up being too low or too high? I was thinking of a 77inch tv - no more than 85 inch.

@hometheatergurus 8 месяцев назад

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@frankkniseley9951 Год назад

I'm using bookshelf speakers for my Atmos setup...do I toe them in like in this video or do I toe them in to point at the MLP if it's only me

@hometheatergurus Год назад

I would try it out both ways.

@frankkniseley9951 Год назад

Will do... Thank you for the advice

@whiteandnerdytuba Год назад

Can you put Atmos height speakers on the wall, and pointed at the seated position, if the wall is too close to the couch to be in the ceiling?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

Atmos ideally will be at specific angles, those angles could be on the ceiling but also could end up on the wall depending on ceiling height and how close to the wall the seats are. See ep 49 and it'll help you quickly find the "ideal" location for your atmos. BTW no matter the surface they're on you would assign them as tops not heights as it's all angle based and atmos is mixed using speakers in the location of tops. Heights are much lower and not used for atmos mixing.

@ants9574 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus if we are using height speakers as Atmos. Would we still assign them as front and rear tops instead of front and rear height?

@hometheatergurus Год назад

@@ants9574 if they're placed where tops go they're tops. The surface they're mounted on is irrelevant. It's all about the angle they are at.

@ants9574 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus if they are placed where Dolby recommends the front and rear heights should go , can we still assign those as top front and top rears , or should we assign it as front and rear heights

@hometheatergurus Год назад

@@ants9574 no because tops is a placement not a speaker.. If you place them at the placement (angle) of heights they're assigned as heights.

@chubbinator35 6 месяцев назад

How come you can toe/aim every ht speaker but you cant toe-up/aim a low center channel?

@hometheatergurus 6 месяцев назад

Who says you cant? Now understand if your center is too low, angling up won't make it sound like it's where it should be, it's no different than you putting your head near the floor and looking at the MLP vs straight, you will still sound like you're on the floor. the idea of angling a center up is if you're too far off axis you may not be in the speakers ideal dispersion so angling it may help the response.

@chubbinator35 6 месяцев назад

@@hometheatergurus thank you for your response. And thank you for the toe-in tips, my sound has vastly improved in my new room. I dont know why but the mini-dsp 2x4 hd is $500 cad on amazon. I just cant justify that price for something that is $200usd. Using dual subs up front now has vastly improved my setup. 👍 My pioneers mmac really likes to subdue my subwoofers output for some reason, i dont trust it lol. I do trust you though and have learned so much from your episodes, so thanks again.

@hometheatergurus 6 месяцев назад

@@chubbinator35 You're very very welcome. If the room is symmetrical, the sub placement is symmetrical you may and often don't need delay between two subs, they're naturally aligned so if you have a good seat to seat as it is now and you have a decent response the room correction can work with, you wouldn't need a minidsp.

@chubbinator35 6 месяцев назад

Im actually using my LR speaker grilles as temporary sound absorption panels i was really surprised at the improvement 😃

@chubbinator35 6 месяцев назад

Im also kinda lucky to have a single seat gaming/ht setup i dont have to really worry about multiple listeners. I use a small coffee table in front of my chair(low back) for controllers, drinks, and headphones but i still have clear line of sight to my center channel. I might try removing the table to see if that opens things up even more.

@midbass.maestro Год назад

First

@hometheatergurus Год назад

2nd!!! 😀

@Tearial311 Год назад

Too bad that a lot of movie and music mixes suck. Very irritating!

@hometheatergurus Год назад

It's very rare that I hear a bad mix.

@Tearial311 Год назад

@@hometheatergurus Tool mixes are garbage. Disney mixes aren’t good. Top Gun Maverick (I worked on the flight deck). Just a lot of things that should have some really deep impactful bass and they don’t exist