Ep170: Are You An Apostate? With Anthony Miller

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On this episode of Mormonish Podcast Rebecca and Landon sit down with the wonderful Anthony Miller to discuss leadership training materials created by Elder Dallin H. Oaks that instruct leaders how they can spot someone who is either in apostasy or headed for apostasy.
The list of signs of apostasy and the recommendations for helping someone in apostasy are very revealing.
We loved this conversation with Anthony and we know you will too.
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20 июн 2024

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@Gideonslc Месяц назад

Anthony D Miller is a gem. Of course I am an Apostate. In order to be honest in my dealings with my fellow humans I came to realize that I couldn't raise a sustaining hand for leaders who bear false witness and lie and call it "faith promoting."

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

As xlds of 27 years I feel like YES Apostate and Thankful. I need T shirt😂😂😂😂😂

@Allthoseopposed Месяц назад

Fabulous episode my friends! Now go start your WeEkeNd🎉

@mormonishpodcast1036 Месяц назад

Thank you! You too!

@user-mn447 Месяц назад

My mind is blown. I need my TBM husband to listen to this!! When his Grandma, who was Packers personal assistant, dies- then maybe!!

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

Dallin H. Oaks: "It’s wrong to criticize leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true, because it diminishes their effectiveness as a servant of the Lord." There really is no need to take anything else seriously coming from a leader of the Church who preaches this. The focus is not on what is right and what is wrong. The focus is on ensuring that people will obey the leaders of the Church (i.e. ensuring that the leaders will be "effective")...regardless of whether the leaders are right or wrong.

@orisonorchards4251 Месяц назад

Yes! And "Not all truth is useful" ~BKPacker, along with, "Research is not the answer" ~D.Hoax

@kellybrandon1179 25 дней назад

Oaks is the scare crow

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

Okay. Not gonna even reply. Oaks is demonic hoax.

@DeanneSanchez Месяц назад

I love your show ❤ You bring sunshine into my life and thank you for speaking the truth . It is so great to be out of it all .

@Latter-dailyDigest Месяц назад

I know my wearing of "Hawaiian" shirts at church made me suspect🙂🙃😇

@aredesuyo Месяц назад

The concept of The Great Apostasy didn't originate with mormonism. It was an (at least) eighteenth-century Protestant idea. Mormonism just mashes together lots of Protestant ideas, adds a bit of weird new stuff, and calls it a restoration.

@davidjanbaz7728 Месяц назад

Your ignorance is the Reformation isn't correcting a total Apostasy: the Catholics that were kicked out, such as Martin Luther, were interested in reforming some of the erroneous practices. Most Protestants didn't view the Catholic church as an Apostate church like Mormons view authentic Christianity.

@user-mn447 Месяц назад

Yes! Landon! Church is self serving!!

@dougknighton5348 Месяц назад

1:46:15 i think there is a fine line between educated and arrogant. The truth matters. These things need discussed but in a climate of humility. There are serious historical and doctrinal questions that should be discussed if we're all serious about discovering truth, not taking sides.

@Avenger24601 Месяц назад

Another great topic expertly handled. Thank you!

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

It's clearly the Church of Simon Says. The current leaders are Simon. If Simon re-validates the teachings of any deceased prophet that's okay. But the commoners can't do that if what the deceased prophet said undermines the authority of Simon and Simon did not say it was okay.

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

I loved classic cars and comic books

@tawnyachristensen7310 Месяц назад

Love hearing from Anthony! You guys snag the best guests! Loved the discussion!

@jimbobdrg3247 Месяц назад

Very interesting and enlightening - thank you! "Lazy learner" here! Rebecca and Landon, great job!

@TheSaintelias Месяц назад

Great episode. Love the factual data.

@Wanda69710 Месяц назад

Yup, I am ! Excellent podcast! Thank you!❤

@whitesalamander 27 дней назад

Second time through this timely video and learned even more. Thanks for your high quality content👏

@mormonishpodcast1036 27 дней назад

You bet! Thank you for watching!!

@moesyah Месяц назад

personally proud of my patterns of personal apostasy, my podcasting pals

@rmj4978 Месяц назад

The integrity talk was delivered by Jack N. Gerard of the Seventy not Andersen.

@flaxenware Месяц назад

Will this publish to podcasts? My fave car listening. I look forward to it! You guys rock!

@RebeccaRaven Месяц назад

I'm an apostate in every religion!\ Landon is on fire!

@spencerlercher4059 22 дня назад

I noticed that when people talk about Prophets, Seers and Revelator it focuses on Joseph Smith who wrote ancient scriptures and made future prophecies. None of the discussion revolves around the current First Presidency and Apostles other than the semi-annual arm waving. In other words, none of the current Apostles don't even fit the Prophet, Seers and Revelators don't even follow the model set by Joseph Smith on a superficial level. I pointed this out to my Bishop that this is the reason I can't sustain the current group as Prophets, Seers and Revelators. Despite this rejection and not accepting the church is restored, my Bishop allowed me to go to the temple because I do live like a Mormon. I guess I got lucky with the Bishop roulette. I do feel God's power at the temple which brings me great joy. I am against the current approach of forcing the mega temples down the small communities throats.

@chandralaframboise963 Месяц назад

Great episode!

@clcole5655 29 дней назад

Excellent episode

@MAJdrdtucker Месяц назад

Apostate word history.... runaway slave. Great podcast episode!

@TEAM__POSEID0N Месяц назад

"Priesthood authority" is the thing that really matters most to Oaks. That's why it's in the first paragraph. The assumption (classic begging the question) that this "priesthood authority" is from God is needed to sell the idea that the term "priesthood authority" has any more significance than goobenslurp authority or any other kind of authority that is just made up...by people who want to have authority over others. Well in the LDS church who is right there at the pinnacle of priesthood authority...just one heartbeat away from being at the very tippy top of priesthood authority? Why, that would be none other than...drum roll...Dallin Oaks. So of course, of course, of course anyone who doesn't submit to "priesthood authority" is a freakin' apostate. It's not like Oaks is trying to serve his own interests or reinforce, emphasize, buttress and strengthen the power position that he holds...oh wait! It is sort of like that.

@Chococatania Месяц назад

I have found that the only argument the Mormon church makes anymore is the same one Eric cartmann claims: “Respect mah authoritah!”

@barryrichins Месяц назад

Insightful message!

@CatskillsGrrl Месяц назад

Apostate here!

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

Sorry meant. Didnt know about yourson. Sorry. Got fat fingers 4 texting.Anthony dear. Been a fan of urs 4 years. Remember u yrs ago when u cried. Was that a Sunstone. Think you shed tears over your son. Not sure. Maybe faith crisis???? Just remember praying God would help u thru ur heartbreak. Didnt know about your sin. Just glad you and all family r doing better. ❤ yall and God does too. Ps. Raised Baptist. Xlds of 27 years. GOD AND JESUS STILL THRIVING. ❤ YALL. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@kristitimbrel189 Месяц назад

Proud of my Apostate status!

@jamespeters9522 Месяц назад

It’s really hard to put the “genie” back in the bottle once released!

@mikeoniones667 Месяц назад

Proud of it..

@dennisbowden3985 23 дня назад

The Book of Mormon essentially claims the Brass Plates had the entire OT *and more*, all the way to the end of Deutero Isaiah on them. The OT wasn't even compiled in one set of documents before 600 BC, let alone in the possession of someone who could have the entirety of it painstakingly etched onto metal plates *in Egyptian* prior to Lehi leaving Jerusalem.

@DeanneSanchez Месяц назад

I am a proud apostate 😊

@my_shelf_breakers2002 Месяц назад

As a missionary I was taught (in Preach My Gospel) to help investigator’s resolve their doubts by ADDRESSING them. But for tithe paying members: no 😢

@clcole5655 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@kerryholyoak5720 Месяц назад

Wow ! I’m a member of prosperity apostasy !

@VictorRigoleFineArt Месяц назад

Yes, I'm an apostate.

@99blackbirds Месяц назад

I'm an active Mormon and I think this is almost Evil what ELder Oaks has instructed. Again he is basically forcing everyone to believe in what he says. This is so wrong in so many ways. I don't think God is happy with Oaks.

@JaredSJones82 Месяц назад

He is next in line….

@99blackbirds Месяц назад

@@JaredSJones82 Yeah that scares me. It will be very interesting to see what happens when he RULES!!! I am team mercy &Grace Elder Uctdorf. But i feel like I get him in trouble everytime I use his name! lol!

@yijumiller5659 26 дней назад

@@JaredSJones82only if he outlive president Nelson 😂

@kellybrandon1179 25 дней назад

Oaks is the scare crow

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

Frankly I don't think Oaks is happy with Oaks. He strikes me as a man who knows truth is truth. Lie is lie. He knows who he is....man in the mirror ain't pleasant to face. Don't feel sorry for him. He chose not only lie for the lord. Lie to him. Um. Okay..

@incognito137 19 дней назад

It doesn't accidently post from Instagram to FB. In your settings it's set up to do that. You can disable it.

@DeanneSanchez Месяц назад

It is so clear that the lds church leaders are not true apostles and prophets Because gods word never changes and he never changes , if we want to know God read the Bible the Old Testament is clear on who the God of Isreal is Have a blessed day 🙂

@randall7362 Месяц назад

I like to know in the near future,what well the church do,when the monetary system crashes, are they thinking ahead? And are they gonna be there for the poor, sick, and the needy.? If our right politicians don't get there way.?

@sammiller4321 14 дней назад

Very interesting dialogue. Some good ideas and thoughts and opinions being discussed. But there are some things being said that are just not Worth its salt.

@mortenle 24 дня назад

BY called for infanta2ide of mixed-faith, mixed-race babies?? I mean, there were a lot of awful, racist statements from the mid-1800's, but I listened to this part a few times here. Was/is that real?

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

Yep. Real. Just look up ol Bring 'em Young.

@christinenewman2379 25 дней назад

I am a proud apostate.

@Imagineurthere Месяц назад

$$$$$$ TELL THE MORMONS THE HIGHT OF THE STEAPLE CAN BE AS HIGH AS THEY WANT, BUT JUST INVERTED DOWN UNDERGROUND$$$$$$

@kellybrandon1179 25 дней назад

Salt lake city above, salt town below. Go go team zion

@kellybrandon1179 25 дней назад

The less we know about the landscape the better off we are

@barryrichins Месяц назад

I am proud to be a None!

@claudetterush1086 Месяц назад

"Proud to be an apostate" bikini 👙

@yijumiller5659 26 дней назад

Science also debunk science... We should keep open mind

@aaronrasmussen981 Месяц назад

How do they not know the will of the Lord? I thought they speak with Jesus. Can’t he give them the answer to these questions?

@honeybearcares Месяц назад

I cringe when I see these church affiliated studies showing pie charts with similar percentages and more than 3-4 values. In this data and insights world this is a major faux pas and highlights their amateurishness. Use a stacked bar people! Sorry a rant on the BYU study mostly but I appreciate the insights and analysis shared in the episode..

@glenpierce9301 Месяц назад

apostate since 1988

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

No Anthony. Garden of Eden is in Missourri. Oops wait Ensign Peak is selling it off.

@kellybrandon1179 25 дней назад

Oaks is the scare crow

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

Since when did lds church care about science or scholarpship? Oh Science 6000 year old earth. Um hickbilly lds....

@marquitaarmstrong399 23 дня назад

Oaks is liar liar pants on fire.

@natenelson9102 Месяц назад

The prophet is the 4th member of the Godhead

@Gideonslc Месяц назад

😂😅😂

@user-mn447 Месяц назад

😂😂😂

@vegadog3053 Месяц назад

😂😂

@lizgreer2798 Месяц назад

Yes the Prophet made it into Godhead membership, yet Heavenly Mother who creates everyone's spirit is without honor.

@edtalbott564 Месяц назад

Yes, and Romney is the 13th apostle LOL

@thedailydump7407 23 дня назад

Those teachings of the prophets manuals were incredibly deceptive, Chery picked, and misleading. They did not represent the worldview or doctrinal beliefs of those men. So disappointing. Using dead guys to to advance their own agenda

@botofogo2212 Месяц назад

Political correctness is all about low self-esteem

@aredesuyo Месяц назад

People's opinions on the various covid measures tend to divide along political lines, but that's not because the covid issues were political. The political division is simply due to the fact that the overwhelming majority of people don't know enough about biology, biochemistry, and the other relevant disciplines to really understand what was wrong with masking, distancing, and the mRNA injections, so they just fall back on whatever their favorite political team says about those issues. Although good information on those issues from honest scientists was heavily censored, it was not impossible to find. Now that certain pharmaceutical companies (which the left used to distrust deeply--go figure) are being sued for their slipshod safety testing and quality control, fraudulent claims of efficacy, etc., the truth may become more apparent to more people. Given the LDS corporation's lack of discernment, and no doubt also because of the hundreds of millions of dollars they had invested in companies that stood to profit from covid19, it's no surprise that they were 180-degrees wrong about the whole thing.

@botofogo2212 Месяц назад

If the church can make money from any crisis, it will.

@firecloud77 Месяц назад

I left the Church 24 years ago. I suggest you all move on, as I have. It's not healthy to be obsessing over this.

@topbrent Месяц назад

And yet here you are...24 years later...listening to a post Mormon podcast. Moving on is hard and deconstruction is a continuum.

@user-mn447 Месяц назад

This is actually hilarious!! Why are you here?? Trolling much?

@firecloud77 Месяц назад

@@topbrent Yet here you are drawing a false contradiction. In the process of deconstructing I didn't create a RU-vid channel and obsess over it. It seems financial objectives are at play here.

@topbrent Месяц назад

@@user-mn447I don't think I'm trolling. Just illustrating (kinda humorously) that deconstruction can be a long process.

@firecloud77 Месяц назад

@@user-mn447 So essentially what you're saying is that countervailing opinions are not allowed here. You're creating your own Church. Interesting.

@dougknighton5348 Месяц назад

35:35 I'm an exmo but believer in the Book of Mormon. Science does not debunk the Book of Mormon. There have been literally thousands of artifacts found in the Eastern US that have Hebrew influence. Horses in America.... Hagerman horse. People will debate these things from both sides but there are plausible, empirical evidence and explanations for the book of Mormon.