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Epic Showdown: Boosted Civic Si Takes On Toyota MR-S | Driver Battles 

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If there’s one debate in the world of track cars that has gone on longer than any other, it’s whether you can go faster in a low-weight, low-horsepower or high-weight, high-horsepower car. In this episode of Driver Battles series, this debate spills over onto the track at Chuckwalla Valley Raceway, where John Cruz in his heavy, but powerful, 2008 Honda Civic Si face off against Tony Rodriguez in his light, but low-power, 2001 Toyota MR-S.
0:00 Intro at Chuckwalla Valley Raceway
1:36 John's Boosted Honda Civic Si Build Breakdown
2:36 Tony's Toyota MR-S Build Breakdown
3:24 Competitor feedback on Nitto NT01's
4:18 Driver Battles: Time Attack Rules and How To Compete
5:00 Time Attack Hot Lap
7:40 Impressions from the Track
8:43 Final Track Results
Let’s get a closer look at the cars facing off in this battle to see if either of them seems to have the upper hand. Starting with John Cruz, his 2008 Honda Civic Si puts out 327hp, but also weighs in at around 3000 lbs. To help get the fastest times around the track, he has added a Kraftwerks supercharger, Hondata Flash Pro, OS Giken Super Lock Differential, Godspeed coilovers, Voltex Type 2 wing and 275/35ZR18 front and 245/40ZR18 rear Nitto NT01 tires. Tony Rodriguez brought out his 2001 Toyota MR-S that may only make 200hp, but also only weighs 2000 lbs. His list of upgrades includes a Toyota 2ZZ-GE 1.8L swap, Monkeywrench cams, a PPE long tube header, a Gokey 2.5-inch exhaust, Annex CSP coilovers, Konig Dekagram wheels and 224/45ZR15 Nitto NT01 tires all around.
Not to give anything away, but this battle was so close, that neither side of the power to weight argument may be able to claim the upper hand. That said, if you’re a fan of racing like we are, it’s hard to be too disappointed when you see a battle that comes down to fractions of a second.
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Комментарии : 92   
@DavidHaroJr
@DavidHaroJr 2 года назад
Something interesting that could be part of the video is a drivers commentary on the lap. They can go into short details about how the car feels on certain corners with this tire or with track conditions,etc. Would be a neat addition to the already cinematic side by side of the laps.
@JoeMcGuiganRacing
@JoeMcGuiganRacing 2 года назад
Great to see the video released guys. So happy for my car to be part of this experience.
@coldvaper
@coldvaper 2 года назад
How come you didn't drive?
@JoeMcGuiganRacing
@JoeMcGuiganRacing 2 года назад
@@coldvaper I didn’t apply for this series. My buddy Tony did and his silver MRS unfortunately died before this event happened, so I lent him my car as they were basically twins.
@coldvaper
@coldvaper 2 года назад
@@JoeMcGuiganRacing Makes sense, can't wait for your next one!
@Clamp581
@Clamp581 2 года назад
Both really awesome cars, MRS looked like it had a cleaner lap but civic tire size and torque likely gave jt that extra edge
@zzwk24
@zzwk24 Год назад
Thank you! The dude is running 275s and the torque gives that straight line advantage. It would be interesting to see the lateral G's and speeds turn by turn though.
@lowtori
@lowtori 2 года назад
Loved the mr-s/civic match up! Would love to see a "under $10k, $20k, $30k" etc. total cost challenge to make it more equal (and give us an idea of what we can build too!)
@cornercarver636
@cornercarver636 2 года назад
MRS ftw! Edit:Can’t believe the MRS was that close being down on power that much. Civic still had a better p:w than the MRS.
@Contempt805
@Contempt805 2 года назад
“Basicly stock” LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO im 💀!
@rumblebunz8081
@rumblebunz8081 Год назад
trying to be low key with the sandbagging 😂
@IchiBeemo
@IchiBeemo Год назад
He’s referring to the block being stock. So no rebuild or forged internals. It’s a Honda thing.
@turdferguson1021
@turdferguson1021 2 года назад
More MR-S plz
@josiahbutler2254
@josiahbutler2254 2 года назад
The top end for a k series is crazy, the k20s response is 🙌🏽
@Overlord277
@Overlord277 2 года назад
These videos are always good! Hope to see it grow.
@dephataznboi
@dephataznboi 2 года назад
That civic is far from "pretty stock." The MRS is closer to being stock than the Civic & is the real winner to me for being super close in time while being over 100 horses down in comparison to the competition.
@IchiBeemo
@IchiBeemo Год назад
In the Honda world, when we say “stock” we actually are referring to the motor being stock. So no forged internals, no rebuild, just a stock factory block.
@popdatclutch3010
@popdatclutch3010 5 месяцев назад
I agree with this statement but definitely with the huge hp difference the MRS was gettin it
@XxToNeeXx
@XxToNeeXx 2 года назад
Basically stock. Just a supercharger and track suspension. Putting any type of force injection is far from stock.
@tijeansharpe566
@tijeansharpe566 2 года назад
John looks disappointed with the time even though he won 😂
@Fodaaaa420
@Fodaaaa420 Год назад
I've watched all of these and somehow missed this one before. Definitely one of the closest ones, three tenths is pretty tight! Would love the opportunity to give this a shot now that I've got my stroker S2000 dialed in 😁
@firstwordcar
@firstwordcar 2 года назад
Now give the mr2 a stock k24/20 and see what the lap times are 😂 Love both chassis so I’m glad to see they stacked up pretty close.
@nickwagner2284
@nickwagner2284 2 года назад
Probably wouldn’t be much different. My k24 MRS makes barely more whp (203) and weighs a bit more than the 2zz.
@firstwordcar
@firstwordcar 2 года назад
@@nickwagner2284 K24 at least 50 more torque than a 2zz which does help with corner exit. I’d love to see a 2zz swapped Spyder vs a K24 swapped Spyder.
@aaronvector4750
@aaronvector4750 Год назад
Nah, just have the guy do 1 more lap and he'll squeeze out 7 tenths
@Michael-uy4mr
@Michael-uy4mr 10 месяцев назад
intake of 2zz has room for improvement
@cxbra
@cxbra Год назад
These cars sound SO GOOD! Im a 2ZZ-GE owner (all stock with a drop in K&N filter and custom intake ducting). 2ZZ's have that ANGRY growl mmm.
@PsBuddha562
@PsBuddha562 2 года назад
Longer video, More driving footage, More driver input about their car would make an even better upload.
@aznskrachmaztah
@aznskrachmaztah 2 года назад
needa get my Ka-T on here LOL
@Toyota4Life
@Toyota4Life 2 года назад
GOD I want one of those MR2 spyder…. Such unique and cool little car
@TougeMonSter3
@TougeMonSter3 2 года назад
Drivers Practice/Mods needed. Love both cars
@Samuelamnuelgreeneggshamuel
Glad to see Tony on this. We used to run a back road Miata group in the Bay area and Tony would be sweeping and kicking his tail out on the NB. As age progressed he focus mainly on track and saw him the last couple of time i was in thundrerhill.
@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast
@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast 6 месяцев назад
Sign me up! Ready to go c7 z06 a little aero and several wheel options to go with whatever size nt01 tires you want
@Shabec2982
@Shabec2982 2 года назад
Before hearing the times the MRS looked faster in the side by sides.
@tonyvega1272
@tonyvega1272 2 года назад
Love to hear about car people from San Jose 💯
@sv2697
@sv2697 Год назад
Basically stock civic my ass! It's a fully prep track car. The civic driver does looks like he is more familiar with the course and he does have the power advantage.
@rumblebunz8081
@rumblebunz8081 Год назад
lol my thoughts exactly. when does a gutted civic weigh 3000lbs when the stock car weighs just under 2900lbs 😂 the civic driver is super sus. ahaha
@popdatclutch3010
@popdatclutch3010 5 месяцев назад
Listening to the difference in fr and ff throttle control is crazyyyy. Fr you can really gas it through corners
@n0tdavwrld
@n0tdavwrld 2 года назад
I agree the power to weight ratio was the determination of the Civics win but the MRS pulled a good fight
@mattvang3439
@mattvang3439 2 года назад
MRS is the track weapon that everybody sleeps on.
@vltruane
@vltruane 11 месяцев назад
@@mattvang3439In a way its good, it keeps prices low, but I think the secret is getting out, lol. I’m starting to see more of them at my local car meets.
@JDM_FD
@JDM_FD 2 года назад
Damn the almost stock fa5 won! Who would've guessed?! Amazing!
@larkinflight
@larkinflight Год назад
make a list of fastest cars like top gear did, that would be awesome to compare it..
@fillername458
@fillername458 Год назад
Would have been more interesting to see if the Spyder had the 2AR-FE swap from Frankenstein pushing 270hp to the wheels with way more torque.
@becomingabetterhuman.2994
@becomingabetterhuman.2994 2 года назад
Please get that JDM foot work cam angle.
@Battle_Garage
@Battle_Garage Год назад
The Mrs is on ice haha maybe if it can find some more rear traction it can take the time. Great driving
@esthertrue8665
@esthertrue8665 2 года назад
This shoot takes me back to the super street days
@GAMRMNTS2
@GAMRMNTS2 2 года назад
Preciated balsa wood 🪵
@brunomanco7529
@brunomanco7529 Год назад
Miatas and mrs look so cool. Small and rwd = fun at track
@brianaggson1074
@brianaggson1074 2 года назад
That Spyder is so fucking sick🥵🥵🥵 it's a car I never thought anything of a few years ago and now all I see is pure potential!
@maans9936
@maans9936 2 года назад
You never see one of these at any meets at all. They're some dope kits for this all well, beautiful in the end
@johnmann7o2
@johnmann7o2 Год назад
This track is for boosted cars, long sweeps and straights, also the desert heat.
@subiesnhomies7754
@subiesnhomies7754 2 года назад
Let’s go John!
@fadedsincedayone
@fadedsincedayone Год назад
Civic driver looked more composed than the mr s makes me think mr s had a little more in it.
@mugensamurai
@mugensamurai 2 года назад
What a world we live in now the miata is the last affordable japanese sports car and civics already come boosted stock.
@BRAINFxck10
@BRAINFxck10 2 года назад
Miata is not the last one, there's still the BRZ/86
@FluxHitsBills
@FluxHitsBills 2 года назад
Let’s go john!!
@kentbeitel9966
@kentbeitel9966 2 года назад
Does the mrS have snap over steer? Like the previous generation. I love both of these! Throw a lotus supercharger on that 2zz!
@Ben.Rankin
@Ben.Rankin 2 года назад
I've had 2 aw11s and 1 sw20, I've never had snap oversteer. Its not as big of a problem as people have made it out to be. You just have to know how to drive the car.
@raveracer02
@raveracer02 2 года назад
Snap over steer is more of a nsx problem than a mr2 problem, imo
@ninjashidan
@ninjashidan 2 года назад
The spyder doesn't have a snap over steer problem
@samgome01
@samgome01 2 года назад
They're more prone to lift off oversteer
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 Год назад
Despite the power to weight, a front engine front wheel drive car winning against a mid engine rear drive car. The Honda driver is skilled.
@re-vision_
@re-vision_ 2 года назад
I have personally taken the L to the MRS driver.
@cv7609
@cv7609 Год назад
Can yall do a rsx type s vs 7th gen celica gts??
@dephataznboi
@dephataznboi Год назад
Easy, DC5 wins every time.
@sosbabe2804
@sosbabe2804 2 года назад
Mrs had no grip at all!!! We all know about power to weight. That MRS is badass but those tires were limiting it.
@df_9655
@df_9655 2 года назад
John’s my hero
@frederickcook87
@frederickcook87 2 года назад
Somehow and surprisingly the Honda seemed more stable through the turns
@mickyo9223
@mickyo9223 Год назад
Heavier car and big tyre.
@aaronvector4750
@aaronvector4750 10 месяцев назад
big tires, fwd so the power is pulling the car so any throttle imput straightens it out. the MRS is mid engined and rwd, and has smaller tires so its gonna wanna spin more
@anthonykeuth3839
@anthonykeuth3839 2 года назад
John is my hero
@daddyromo3076
@daddyromo3076 2 года назад
I used to own a mr2
@vizualmrs
@vizualmrs Год назад
Basically stock. 😂😂😂 Bro is ALL CAP
@husseinpoliphilo
@husseinpoliphilo 2 года назад
The build on the civic is so nice minus the coils haha whyyyyy Either way great cars and looks like fun. The Mrs is really nice too
@husseinpoliphilo
@husseinpoliphilo 2 года назад
@Emerson Lee oh wow didn't know that just thought it was ironic given the other parts on the build
@beerweather1566
@beerweather1566 2 года назад
2zz is not 200hp wheel power. Not torquey either. Really nice MR-S. Aero is for real
@DreEzed
@DreEzed 2 года назад
@@beerweather1566 huh?
@beerweather1566
@beerweather1566 2 года назад
@@DreEzed yep. Mr-S owner and Spyderchat guy. It’s always beer weather
@repingers9777
@repingers9777 Год назад
@Emerson Lee how are godspeed for daily driving / weekend warrior on a fa5
@brandonjan_
@brandonjan_ Год назад
mr-s?
@kamikazu4392
@kamikazu4392 2 года назад
Winner? Make that car also 200hp and lets see whats a better car lol
@hevertpacheco7870
@hevertpacheco7870 2 года назад
Mr-s needs a k swap for sure
@erikw792
@erikw792 2 года назад
No it really doesn't. The K swaps ruin the handling balance. If you're drag racing, fine but for TA weight and handling is everything. The 2zz can be tuned much higher than this example.
@jordan.fa5592
@jordan.fa5592 2 года назад
@@erikw792 K swap ruins handling? How? It's a fully aluminum block and head
@erikw792
@erikw792 2 года назад
@@jordan.fa5592 Mr. Spirit Taro said so himself. He's probably the most famous MR-S tuner. Look up Techno Pro Spirit Shop Tour here on RU-vid.
@jordan.fa5592
@jordan.fa5592 2 года назад
@@erikw792 2zzge weight: 254 lbs, k20a2 weight, 275 lbs. Negligable. What is responsible for the supposed handling difference? Its not the height of the engine, because that is variable depending on the brand of motor mounts used.
@strifu808
@strifu808 2 года назад
@@jordan.fa5592 drivetrain is also heavier, this statement isn’t exactly from out of someone’s ass, it is from a tuning shop from Japan that deals with all these drivetrains 24/7. The difference is however negligible by our standards. For someone who circuits the cars everyday, there is.
@victorpla29
@victorpla29 2 года назад
Here we ago to another shitty Edit
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