Eureka Single Dose, A Month In

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#Eureka is rolling out bug fixes for the Mignon Oro #CoffeeGrinder. I find it competent, but disappointing as a home appliance. After a month of daily use, my coffee tastes delicious, but my patience is wearing thin. I sense that the #NicheZero would be a better companion for many of us.
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@eurekagrinders9555 2 года назад

Thank you Thomas for your feedback: challenge accepted 😉

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Excellent!

@camelnoon 2 года назад

Will wait for this upgrade. Hope this happen soon. Thanks Thomas and Eureka for your both effort .

@toliscy 2 года назад

Respect for accepting criticism and your desire to improve

@anthonybotonis5841 Год назад

Love this grinder but i wont buy it until problems are rectified

@AlexeiWatson Год назад

Bought a black Oro recently - delivery expected in the next week or so. Super hopeful that these upgrades are in place. 🤞

@macmutant 2 года назад

As a visually impaired user, I very much appreciate the focus on touch and the tactile experience of this machine. Thanks for the great follow up to your excellent original review.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Very glad to be of service. Thanks for the post :)

@skyking9248 2 года назад

Been waiting for this review, thanks!

@SiddKundu 2 года назад

Thanks for the detailed video. It’s really rare to find unbiased videos like yours in You Tube. Please do keep up the good work.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Thanks, will do!

@arisaadi7064 2 года назад

Your content is really high quality! Thank you

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Thank you, and welcome :)

@7851A9 2 года назад

Love your channel. Keep up the great work.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Thank you, and welcome :)

@jonathangrayson2107 2 года назад

Nice work as always. Details and details, very informative.

@jonathangrayson2107 2 года назад

I don't think there is anything wrong about a company wanting to make a profit. They did respond and maybe they will improve their product. I believe that the problem is manufacturers that won't make changes. Credit where credit is due. If they make the changes talked about in this video, then they are a manufacturer I would be happy to buy from.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I agree totally. And I sincerely hope they get it right, because I do adore my Spet. Made me a bit of an Eureka fan :)

@toliscy 2 года назад

Congrats for the Hoffmann shoutout. Your content deserves more subs

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Thanks. I couldn't agree more :)

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Coucou mes enfants! I've used the Oro Single every day for a month now and I'm ready to come clean about the experience. I'm also looking at the Niche Zero here, for a comparison. Do enjoy!

@anonpichittanabodeekun7454 2 года назад

I have subscribed. We need kind of these content. I see your attention and quality of work. Thank you for good review.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Much appreciated :)

@pppeer 2 года назад

Solid play by you at the end, the ball is really in their court to see if they are taking this product seriously, or just trying to cash in

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Thanks. Still no word. I'll introduce a time limit for their decision, maybe mid-week, and see if they answer the bell :)

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

OK, they have agreed to the challenge (see the new pinned comment). I'm really pleased.

@frutiboy1 Год назад

Some outstanding content!

@Matpermad 2 года назад

James Hoffmann just quoted "moka pot voodoo" in his moka series, and recommended it as a really good method for brewing. Congrats!

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Cheers :)

@AbuSalem2099 2 года назад

Thank you very much for this video. I really enjoy your coffee related educational videos and your objective approach. Please consider a look to mignon existing portafilter holders/fork and how to modify it to fit it on The tilted single doser. I would say some small bending is required to make it level, but I dont have the fork right now to be quite sure. Thank you again.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I'm afraid that, on the SD, there's nothing behind the plastic center piece to engage the PF rest. I wouldn't recommend trying to fit it.

@scottbecker3485 2 года назад

This and your previous review of this grinder knock things out of the park. You really focus on everything of interest to a potential buyer/user, and your input is vastly appreciated by me! It prevented me from making a huge mistake. Instead of plodding forward with sourcing one of these grinders in Germany, I instead pre-ordered a Niche (for home use), and am now doubly certain that your reviews helped me find the perfect grinder for me (for espresso and AeroPress). Thank you!

@skyking9248 2 года назад

It’s funny you have to “pre-order” a grinder that was released 5 years ago…

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I appreciate that! Enjoy it :)

@scottbecker3485 2 года назад

@@skyking9248 Yeah, one would think that they would have been able to upscale to meet global demand. But maybe the quality they supply is only achievable by keeping things small.

@ggusta1 2 года назад

This was an outstanding review. So many RU-vid reviews really don't want to tell you what the warts of a product is. Even though they paid for the product they still feel a responsibility to the manufacturer. Which doesn't do us, the potential customer, one bit of good. Thank you again.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Yes, I see a lot of commercials in place of reviews. Not around here though :)

@ggusta1 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet keep it that way please!!! Looking for a good flat burr. I don't drink espresso. (But if I did I think I'd like that robot)

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@ggusta1 I think the Specialita is good value for money and versatile. It has issues, but does a great job. I reviewed it a year ago if you're curious.

@MrJusmobile 2 года назад

I like it and am buying it anyway!!

@triumphrider9396 2 года назад

As you should. Too many people base their decisions on the one off experience of people they don’t know or have any clue of their biases. (Clears throat).

@timmarshall4881 2 года назад

A really good video thank you. If I were to buy I’d definitely buy the Niche. Tim

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Good choice!

@someguyumet2469 2 года назад

Thank you

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

You're welcome :)

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

Bellows stays on fine for me as long as your not pushing it from the side, I guess it could be accidentally nudged but never noticed it coming off. Although I haven't been using mine too much lately. I think you need to do the same cup / rattling test with something like the Specialita, which IS a more quieter grinder. But I don't think you want any metal touching your grinder, I know it's just a test to demonstrate the vibration :) I found the DF64 grinder with a metal funnel does vibrate similarly sometimes if it's touching the spout on the grinder. Not many grinders have as nice of a workflow / or are as nice to use as a niche zero! Eureka is trying to compete with it though it seems! The Oro is definitely not a commercial grade grinder, that's a compliment it does not deserve :D It would definitely overheat quick used commercially, I feel the grinds out of them are already warmer than any other grinder I've played with, and that's just with a 18g dose!

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Just for the record, I did say in the first review that it has no cooling, and can therefore be used only in a low-volume shop. The grind quality is totally there. The major components are heavy duty, but the package is all kinds of wrong. And there seems to be inconsistency in assembly and parts supply, because a lot of people say the bellows is a total fail with retention, but I find it works nicely. When it's in place, I mean, lol.

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

@@MakubexGB it's happened to me once now the bellows did end up falling off! lol I actually just sent mine back for repairs (for other reasons) hopefully the coffee gear shop I got it from can fix the clogging issues!

@hussainal-hussaini8483 2 года назад

I got mine 8 days after you published your first video about this Eureka SD.. I can say that I have the same feelings about it and I also have the Niche and both of them are white colored.. My goal was to keep the Eureka for espresso and the Niche for single origin pour over activities.. But the noise level + vibration is really irritating on the Eureka SD :/

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I hear ya. But I think you can get by with the Niche for a while :)

@FatNorthernBigot 3 месяца назад

I bought one a couple of months ago, and they have definitely addressed most issues. Mine is quiet, fast and provides a consistent grind. I removed the de-clumper as I quite enjoy a little bit of "puck prep" and it's pointless. I haven't checked the burr alignment. I'll be honest, I bought the thing because of the design as I think the Niche Zero has that "Blobject" design from the early 00's. Even at my advanced years I think it's old-fashioned-looking. Whereas this Eureka is a design classic.

@edipisreks5535 2 года назад

Honestly it just sounds like they were shipping out near-retail ready production prototypes instead of actual retail products for the first ones available.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Yes, I think they were rushing bec Christmas :(

@mspdec 2 года назад

I agree 100% with the crazy vibration and noise from this Grinder. I will be sending mine back to the Distributor this coming week and asking for my money back !

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Sorry to hear it, but we're not alone, unfortunately.

@UAE78 2 года назад

I found an issue in the acrylic chute just underneath the declump the ground exit smaller than specialita which holds the Coffee behind it

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Yes, I pointed that out in the full review, but I've had no trouble, possibly because the 65mm burrs fling the coffee with more force. And the bellows works well for me, although some have found it useless. There seems to be a lot of inconsistency in assembly and parts.

@BigfootRunning 2 года назад

I’ve ordered one and have to say this gives me second thoughts. Hopefully it does a good job grinding coffee beans. I seldom feel the need to touch/stroke my appliances so maybe I’ll be right 🤔

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Don't panic :) Users report vastly different issues. There seems to be inconsistency in assembly and parts suppliers. You might get a great one.

@michaelselby4940 2 года назад

It's interesting, as I ordered this about 24h before the original review landed. I was a bit worried and debated sending it back. However, I haven't experienced any of the issues mentioned in the original review. While the metal hopper opener thingy, isn't the nicest thing to touch, it's also not offensive either. This replaced a mazzer SJ and the noise from it, was about the same. I can only assume there must be pretty big batch discrepancys.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@michaelselby4940 Yes, different owners are reporting different issues, suggesting inconsistency in assembly and parts suppliers. E.g., many find the bellows useless, but mine works a treat...you know, when it's in place. Glad you got a good one :)

@MisterSimon30 Год назад

Is it possible to put a portafilter holder on the Single Dose ? Amazing review btw!

@ozpain1 2 года назад

Thank you for the great video! There sure is a lot of static retention happening at 3:45! Does using RDT help with this? I’m considering upgrading from my Sette 270 to a mignon, but I literally get zero retention using RDT on the Sette (that is after a couple grinds post cleaning of course).

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

The mignons all have the static thing. Not really bad, you get used to it, but the Sette is better. A drop of water hasn't made any noticeable improvements for me. Personally, I do like the Mignon flavor though.

@ozpain1 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated. After researching, it seems the flavor profile of the mignon is generally more preferred. Super curious! May have to save up for one 🤦🏻‍♂️

@entertainment6630 2 года назад

This is a fantastic follow up to the original review and again great video! Based on your first review, it feels like Eureka produces this grinder as a quick cash grab to gain single dose market share which has been enjoyed mostly by Niche Zero. They didn't seem to design it because they believe it could be a great product. They do it purely to improve their profit/loss sheet which was made worse by losing customer choosing single dose grinder than theirs.... That being said, I am still really keen on getting the grinder and your findings here will absolutely help my decision! I am sure many MANY potentially buyers are on the exact the same boat and wanting to see the 2nd round of this grinder's review. In some way, you "helped" improving this grinder and enhance the user experience. This could turn a beautiful yet "catch-full" & purely cash grab focused grinder into a truely great single dose grinder which is competent enough to compete with Niche Zero. If this ever is the case, Eureka has you to thank to say the very least!

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Very kind of you to say :)

@timgerber5563 2 года назад

Great video! What would you say how does the single dose compare taste-wise to the specialita? Can you taste a difference in espresso or filter coffee? With all these quirks it might seem like the better option to go for a spec and use it in single dose mode. What do you think?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

The burrs are identical in proportions and blade pattern, so the larger size makes a negligible difference in flavor. Their chief advantage is speed. The Spet is definitely better value for money -- and overall a better device, at least for now.

@julianpark93 2 года назад

I appreciate your honesty. I was going to get the Oro but I’ve decided to get a DF64 with the SSP High Uniformity burrs instead :)

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Good luck with it :)

@luboskocman 2 года назад

Hello Thomas, two months of use after me and here we go. I do like most of the grinder, but the retention claim. In my case the retention is maxed out while changing grinds from the filter back to espresso. Something like a 1.7-2g gram difference on espresso was not unusual. Once one or two espressos pass I'm in the 0.1-0.6g retention range for a single basket on something like 5-6 setting from the touchpoint which matches the expectation from product materials. Any tips/mods on how to reduce the retention on espresso grinds while going finer from the filter? Also, similarly, going from espresso to the filter gives you 1g more out than in which leads to clogging of v60, etc. I did try spraying as some of the beans were a bit stuck in the hopper. I thought that something like a full clean each week will help, but that makes the initial few shots even worse. I'm now giving a shot to Urnex Grindz weekly cleanup. I wish that one day I could just weigh the coffee in and wouldn't have to worry about coffee out. 0.1-0.3 would be totally below my radar. Visually I like the product, but it's a bit frustrating to deal with retention. Do you have a similar experience?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I live in a really humid climate so I have only minor issues with static and retention on the SD. My only suggestion would be to check for any pressure leaks when you use the bellows, which works well for me here. Now, I just received the updated version, and I'm testing it now. I'll report on any improvements in a couple of weeks.

@zuuzuka Год назад

Just received my Eureka SD the vibration is really strong can even decloge the chute. On the front part has some holes I think that's unnecessary and looks strange. Some parts really can be better for this price.

@BensCoffeeRants 2 года назад

Why wouldn't the hopper work on other Mignon grinders I have a 3d printed single dose hopper that I had used on the Specialita and fits pretty nicely on the Oro SD, but maybe it doesn't work the other way, I think it does sit maybe a millimeter higher so maybe that's a problem, but still forms a better seal than the stock hopper does on the Oro SD (3rd party Bellows blows harder and actually worked better on mine).

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

This is a mystery to me, too. It was clearly too loose, and Eureka admitted it, but I don't understand how they can change it so it fits all the grinders. We'll see.

@skyking9248 2 года назад

Just got mine last week. The one I got is super quiet. I’ll have to check the actual decibels. How does the espresso compare to the Niche? This is my first real espresso grinder aside from a J-Maxx.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

It's different from the Niche, not better or worse. It's makes espresso with a good dynamic range, while the Zero favors the low end a bit :) Seems there's inconsistency in assembly and parts supplies. Glad yours is working right :)

@skyking9248 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet Thanks so much! ☕️☕️

@plorwax 2 года назад

Im due for an upgrade from my sette 30. Looks like I should wait a bit till they get their quality control fix some issues? Or maybe it’s just the first batch?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I will review the Oro SD again, after Eureka releases version 2.0, so maybe wait for that review. I hope it will be better. Also, the Vario Plus series is coming out soon, so maybe wait for that as well before making any decisions? I will be reviewing it as soon as possible.

@Existential_brian 2 года назад

What kind of foam did you use? I have some fairly rigid high density foam but there isn't much squish to it and I'm wondering what you used for a point of comparison. Thanks!

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Just something I salvaged. It's not very squishy.

@Matpermad 2 года назад

What do you think about the Kopi Deva? Looks like the only grinder with a real chance of becoming the "flat burr niche". It would be great to have it thoroughly reviewed by the wired gourmet :D

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

It looks good, certainly. I am open to reviewing it. If they get it right, it could be an important player in the prosumer marketplace.

@josealbertoleonsagastegui743 3 месяца назад

After a lot of research finally bought a Mignon Zero grinder, it's a amazing piece of art. However I've been struggling with the very little amount of information about the different settings in the dialing knob. I couldn't find so far any microns per mark chart (from zero point) for example. In some cases I saw information about the 3 full turns in the dial (from zero point) being the total range of settings from turkish to french press (0 to 1400 microns), and some others that mentions that is only 1.5 full turns for the full range (again, 0 to 1400 microns). So, pretty confused right now, is there any piece of information about this? Is the full range for the Mignon Zero 3 full turns to the dial knob?

@azkamil 2 года назад

we need extended only fans options of stuff at 8:00

@izziel11 2 года назад

Would you agree that buying the Specialita and moding it (put a single dose hopper + blow bellow + putting it on a 15% incline) would be the better buy?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I would agree completely. Burr proportions & blade patterns are identical. The chief difference is speed. See my old Spet review; retention was minimal. And tilting might not be necessary, and could maybe bring in the vibration issue.

@shaneboaden5005 Год назад

Am i hearing your comment about the single dose hopper working on all mignons as correct? Can i buy it for my specialita V2 2022 model i just bought and it should fit?

@Lotsurc 2 года назад

Anyone know the brand of tweezers used at 0:22?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Swiss outfit: you have a really good eye: www.ideal-tek.com/catalogue/8/tweezers

@rnstyip 2 года назад

Hi there, will you be interested in reviewing the 9Barista? It seems like it would be a great companion with your existing moka pot reviews.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Yes, it does seem to be a good fit with TWG. It's just that it's kinda old news, so the vid might not be popular. I have to figure on at least breaking even on it.

@rnstyip 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet Thanks for the response. I think your unique take on moka pot brewing in general would be interesting enough. I've never seen anyone brew moka pot quite like you do and frankly it's an ingenious method.

@dev4runner 2 года назад

5:15 Total infomercial moment you've made there. Jamming the brush hard enough that the handle pushes it off, hahaha.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

So why isn't the flexible rubber sidewall deformed?

@dev4runner 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet Maybe the brush is too soft? jk

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@dev4runner I think that's right. I went by feel, so I knew the shank was not involved. On video it doesn't look right, but it wasn't a big enough issue to re-do the video. (I hate making videos TBH, and suck at it, but I do like to share.)

@dev4runner 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet I do like your videos, so I'd venture to say you're great at making videos, and I hope to see many more!

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@dev4runner Thanks, and I will press on. BTW I edited my initial reply, which I now realize was a bit brusque :)

@marc-andresabourin5007 5 месяцев назад

I juste "upgrade"from a eureka manuale . I dial my grind bit it have more than .7 gram of retention. I punch the bellow and nothing is comming down. I clean the chute already. Anyone have this problem? I miss my manuale...

@florinchis4051 2 года назад

The thing I hate the most about mine is that the declumper cloggs the grinder with fine particles and I think because of that will regrind some coffee and also makes the bellow useless. I was also hoping for some clarity with this grinder but I am getting almost none. I will probably do a refund.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I hear you. Too bad, really.

@tamasd8 2 года назад

It seems like a rushed product, they wanted to sell it before Christmas I guess. It's a shame because it could easily be one of the best grinders out there.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I agree, Christmas must have been a factor. It has real potential and I sincerely hope they get it right :)

@aheinz 2 года назад

It seems that the build of the grinder is widely inconsistent indeed! As an example my wooden lid does not just fit a bit tight on the hopper, it just doesn’t fit at all as the diameter seems just a bit too small. The wooden base is however also chipped below the Mignon logo. Eureka‘s initial reply? The chipped wooden base complies to their standards, and the wooden lid is made just for the bellows and only the plastic lid is supposed to fit the hopper, contrary to all their videos and product shots and even their response to your first video. Both the build quality standards, but also customer service seem to have room for improvement to say the least. Very disappointing (specially for us pre order customers who placed a great deal of trust in Eureka) as the product would otherwise definitely have potential. Will be difficult to build excitement around the product and compete with the Niche like this.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Agree totally. Different people are reporting different problems. There seems to be inconsistency with assembly, and parts suppliers. I wish they hadn't rushed it like this; I was hoping to see a real success :(

@someguyumet2469 2 года назад

I'm currently in the market for a single doese grinder for espresso. I think I'm looking for a flat burr design, but the Niche is a temptress. What would you recommend in ~this price range?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Mid-range flat grinders, eh? Well, the Specialita is competent, versatile and attractively priced. Not a single doser but quite low retention in my experience. There's also the Mazzer Mini and the Baratza Sette 270, both good value for money imho. Again, not really single dosers, but well designed.

@someguyumet2469 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet thanks! And in your experience, you'd recommend the specialita over the Oro as it currently stands?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@someguyumet2469 Yes; it's better objectively, and far better value for money. The Oro SD is a great concept, and potentially a better grinder, but they haven't really finished it.

@grilljones 2 года назад

Are you still going to compare to the modded specialita with the 3d printed parts?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I am going to cover some Specialita mods this year, but I haven't yet decided which ones specifically.

@grilljones 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet cool. I was thinking you mentioned comparing the single dose grinder against specialita with single dose mods (bellows, wedge underneath, etc). I'm also curious about bean thruster mods because feed rate plays a big role with grind consistency. Any single dose mods you like would be cool.

@so1j0nas 2 года назад

what about the eureka brew pro?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I haven't tried it yet. Those burrs MIGHT fit a Specialita; IDK. If you have one, you could look into that.

@spamcan9208 2 года назад

I love the attention to detail in your videos and that you actually have basic manufacturing knowledge. Yes, each extra step costs money but it's unacceptable to leave those edges like that. Throwing them in a tumbler is a basic step that's done often, there's no excuse not to do it. Like most things in life, designing and engineering are full of compromises. The trick is to know where and when it's appropriate to make the best product you can for the price point. Easier said than done but some things are so obvious (like finishing those edges) it shouldn't even be up for debate. I just got my V60 in today, looking forward to your next video.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Thanks very much :)

@SilverPanos 2 года назад

I preordered mine last week and expecting it to be shipped tommorow. I wonder if any of the mentioned issues will be solved on mine or it will be further into the future.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I'm not sure about Eureka's schedule, but they do seem sincere about fixing the product. Hope you get lucky :)

@SilverPanos 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet The new batch got pushed back to February 20th, so I assume they are trying to fix all the issues. On the other hand, I'm left without a grinder for the month :(

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@SilverPanos If they really get this machine sorted, it will be worth the wait :)

@thePowerPlant 2 года назад

Literally, the best reviews in the coffee space. "Take no handouts".

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Thanks. Yeah, reviews, not commercials :)

@carsiotto 2 года назад

Can you review the flair 58?

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I had planned to near launch, but they weren't available in the EU at the time. Now it's kind of old news and I'm not sure the interest is there. But do check out my Cafelat Robot video before you decide on the Flair. To me, the bot is a better design and build.

@carsiotto 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet sure I understand. Every review between the robot and the 58 favors the 58 also the robot is kinda not my style aesthetically. Great content as always though!

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@carsiotto Interesting. So I guess they solved their workflow issues. That was my chief complaint with the earlier ones. Enjoy it :)

@carsiotto 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet for sure, much more improved with the flair 58. I do agree that the robot has advantages over previous flair models, but at $100+ more than the flair pro 2, it’s hard to say.

@Matpermad 2 года назад

@@carsiotto but 150 less than a 58

@OscarRios 2 года назад

Enough said. Niche is coming home soon

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

Good choice; I think you'll be pleased. Good luck with it.

@kevivarma2759 2 года назад

I also agree with the finishing, hoppers, and fine details (the knob and no counter on the Specialita) . I actually would not buy Eureka products because of this, as if I am spending over 600 dollars on a product, the manufacturer should be making effort in the finest details of a premium product. I am probably going to go with the Niche Zero because of this. Also my guy please stop using the same background music over and over again. I'd rather just hear you talk instead

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I stopped using it a while back, due to complaints, and different people complained :) Personally, I don't care one way or the other. I focus on the content.

@mikni4069 2 года назад

It’s the same with any major espresso machine or grinder maker. These where original makers to industry not home users and they where all pretty much Italian companies and it shows. Poor fit and finish, poor welding, birds nest wiring, rattling sounds etc. has been the norm for a couple of decades and they still seem to have a hard time understanding needs in a home environment, no wander small companies like Niche, Option-O, Kafatek, Titus, Weber Workshop and soon Kopi Deva and Acaia as well simply because these understated it better and big companies have made a highway for these because of their poor understanding and product development.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@mikni4069 Really well said :)

@wakeawaken430 2 года назад

That G.B.J. voice makes me thing that both grinders will collapse, if you know what I mean 😏

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I don't, but I'll take it as a compliment :)

@daveroberts1099 2 года назад

The vibration problem doesn’t seem right at all , maybe check the bottom burr is centred correctly? I say this because my minion has this problem and when I sent it back I was told I was expecting to much !🙄🤬

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I finally got around to measuring runout on the motor shaft, and it's fine. The carrier is seated and centered. I suspect it's the motor mounts, which seem OK in vertical setups, just not adapted to the lean angle properly. I'll keep tinkering, and if I find anything really interesting, I'll post a video.

@daveroberts1099 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet You might like to test that theory by wedging it vertical and see if the vibrations improve? Me ? I will have to find a new bottom burr carrier and hope it’s better . 👍

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

@@daveroberts1099 Yes, I'll be doing more testing after I receive the updated version, and compare them side by side. Maybe hold off on the new burr carrier as I'm working on a jig to measure runout on the carrier.

@3izo73 2 года назад

I sold my Eureka oro SD grinder to the first bidder next to nothing and got DF64. Eureka oro SD is a miserable grinder.

@frjfsiuojrsdug 2 года назад

Best mod for this is going to be a flat base.

@wiredgourmet 2 года назад

I lol'd :)

@frjfsiuojrsdug 2 года назад

@@wiredgourmet Have you seen they announced a new Mignon Zero? It's upright.

@triumphrider9396 2 года назад

Seems like you’re soft, Tom. Sharp edges, loose rubber, and vibrations, oh my!!! A lot of what your whining about is just contrary to your personal opinion. And yes I do own this grinder. I prefer the look and aesthetic of the SD over the Niche, but I don’t have soft hands either. I have absolutely zero of the issues that you seem to have. The sliding metal tab - works great. The fit of the bellows - put it on and it hasn’t even hinted at coming off. The very attractive and unique wooden bellows lid - I haven’t dropped on a hard surface and guess what! It hasn’t chipped! It’s a miracle!!! Volume level - it’s much quieter than any other grinders I’ve owned and seems accurate to the decibel ratings from Eureka. Let’s just face it, the vibration thing is made up, so I’m not even acknowledging it. My take is that you’re a Niche Zero fanboy who’s upset that they have some viable competition now. Unsubbed, BTW.

@kevivarma2759 2 года назад

Nah get out, for the price I'm paying for a "premium" product, how hard is it to have high standards. That's like a luxury vehicle having a seat belt that doesn't work right

@triumphrider9396 2 года назад

@@kevivarma2759 that’s a terrible analogy. If the seatbelt doesn’t work it never makes it to the consumer. In this case the grinder produces superbly ground coffee and does so while retaining a single dose workflow. My sample has top notch fit and finish as well. The perceived issues by the OP are just that, his perception. They don’t change the fact that this grinder does what it is intended to do and does it every well, even if the first run had its issues. Working out the QA issues is a fact of manufacturing no matter what, even for Toyota and Lexus.

@spamcan9208 2 года назад

Nothing in that video suggests he's a niche fanboy shill. It's clear his model has those problems even if yours doesn't. Manufacturing can be inconsistent. His points were all legitimate for a machine at that price category.

@Cyb3rGlitch 2 года назад

Yeah nah, I have this grinder and it has most of the issues that this video outlines. It's not a premium product.

@entertainment6630 2 года назад

I think you are focusing on the "functionality" more whereas Tom focuses more on the "user experience" which is what matters to me the most for any product. It's those small details and careful consideration set a premium and successful product apart, not mere functions. And at the price Eureka is asking, people will and should pay attention to small details, because (though intangible), they pay for those too.