Eurofighter Typhoon vs Rafale: BVR Missile Battle & Dogfight | DCS 

So now you have tweaked Rafale's RCS can you please do a QE vs CdeG carrier fight? You know you want to do a thing.

That river in France (Seine) was the one used by Ragnar Lothbrok when the Vikings besieged Paris.

I've never considered how modern aerial battles over France can take place without even leaving England... How different WWII would have been with this technology...

watching a rafale slowly tearing a eurofighter apart is certainly an amazing airshow

That 0.5m2 RCS for the Rafale is almost certainly in a clean configuration. With external stores, its probably got the same RCS as the Typhoon.

Thanks for the sonic boom in Brighton, Matrix… you can actually see my “sort of represented” street near the train station.

The Eurofighter does not have a larger RCS than the Rafale. If at all the same. During development, special attention was paid to using as many materials as possible that do not react to radar. And the Eurofighter is really one of the fastest fighters in terms of acceleration and top speed. The Austrians flew the Eurofighter at 2.35 Mach. The thrust/weight ratio of the Eurofighter is also one of the best.

Absolute kudos to the gent acting as AEW&C in second round!! Excellent work! Best I've seen in sims!

Very good video, we always love to see some EuroCanard on the channel. The 0.5m come from a director at Dassault that said that the requirement for the plane was to have the same radar signature as a small bird (hummingbird). But with fuel tank and missile it would be a lot more (at least going up to 1.5m). Same for the Typhoon. Loadout wise, the rafale can carry up to 4 meteors, 2mica em and 2 mica IR. Mica EM have a small range increase over the mica Ir thanks to better aerodynamics (maximum range is up to 80km for the radar variant and up to 65km for the IR one). Anyways i loved the video and hope to see another video with the rafale soon! A Rafale FAN

Things you can count on 100% in life. Death, taxes and a GR video where Cap starts off assuring us there will be no dogfights, and there are dogfights.

Lovely mission and the dog fighting at the end was outstanding, Thank you to all that participated.

I got this from an A.I. bot :The Dassault Rafale is generally considered to be more stealthy than the Eurofighter Typhoon due to a number of design features that help reduce its radar cross-section. These features include: Shape: The Rafale has a highly streamlined shape with a flattened nose and a smooth, curved body. This helps to reduce the aircraft's radar signature by deflecting incoming radar waves away from the source. Composite Materials: The Rafale is constructed with a high percentage of composite materials, which are much less reflective to radar waves than traditional metal materials. This helps to further reduce the aircraft's radar signature. Internal Weapons Bay: The Rafale has an internal weapons bay that can be used to carry weapons and fuel tanks. By keeping these items inside the aircraft, the Rafale can maintain a lower profile and reduce its radar signature. Advanced Coatings: The Rafale is coated with advanced materials that help absorb and scatter radar waves, reducing the aircraft's signature even further. Engine Design: The Rafale's engines are designed with reduced infrared signatures, which makes it more difficult for heat-seeking missiles to track the aircraft. While the Eurofighter Typhoon also has some stealth features, such as a curved shape and the use of composite materials, it is generally considered to have a larger radar cross-section than the Rafale. However, it's important to note that stealth is just one factor in the overall performance of a fighter jet, and the Typhoon is known for its superior maneuverability and high-speed performance, which are also important factors in air-to-air combat. I don't know if its accurate, I just got it from an A.I. bot but it did say its source included government reports as well as the official websites of Dassault and of the multitude of companies that worked on the Eurofighter like Airbus, BAE systems and Leanardo. Also once again I don't know how accurate this is as I'm pretty sure some people prefer the Rafale over the Eurofighter because of superior maneuverability and energy management at high speeds while maneuvering but I could be wrong. (Edit): Also thats not saying thats even nearly enough for a cross section to be that low

Normandy 2.0 map is brilliant, and I have even been able to pick out my own house, west of London, between Heathrow and Farnborough....

No way with weapons on hard points does a rafale have a radar cross section of 0.5, no way in hell!

Cap, did you not hear about the Parisian guy who jumped off one of the bridges into the river? He was said to be in Seine.

That was a great, GREAT high-tension battle! THIS is the kind of shiz that I watch GR videos for. Kudos for all involved. Keep it up! 👍

Hell yeah! Thanks for this one Cap!!😁👍👍

Rafale with external weapons mounted having an RCS of 0,5m² ? Yeah, I am going to call bullshit on this.

Cap this is a great video to watch after getting off work

Cracking fights tbh great to see the dogfight at the end, would be a good one to see a guns only between the 2.

Missed Guernsey’s 🇬🇬 airdrome by a mile or two there cap 😝 cheers for the content guys keep it up!

Agreed, I'd definitely up the RCS for the Rafale Cap. Side note, that was a joy to watch 👍🏻

Did I hear a rumor that DCS is working on a Eurofighter or was this the one I was hearing about?

If you ever want to tweak the Rafale specs to GR standards you might want to have it tested by Ate Chuet (a french youtuber that flew Rafale and pretty unbiased in regards to equipment quality). Afaik the Rafale "stealth" mostly comes from its spectra system which is classified but apparently very efficient (though not as good as Gen5 packages).

Wonderful just really freaking wonderful! And Cap I’m enjoying the modified cursing but it’s ok to rip some swear words off in the heat of battle. Please continue to put out such great content

I watched this yesterday. Best piece of evening entertainment ever. Props to that last Rafale holding out until the end. Future Rafale video ideas. Rafale Vs SU-35. Rafale Vs. F-15C. Rafale Vs. F-15EX. Rafale Vs F16. Rafale Vs. Gripen.

You guys need to do England and France vs Russia and China Carrier group.

We'll save you London, as someone drops flares into a neighbourhood lol.

Been watching GR for years but never really asked, are the tweaked/upgraded modules and weapons GR uses available for download? If so, from where? Keep doing your thing guys!

Very much enjoyed the dogfight at the end.

Hey Cap do you think you could work on a Peregrine missile for the game? The concept is essentially a small "half-raam" shaped a lot like the SM-2 with the range of an AMRAAM-C or so but the maneuverability of an AIM-9X. It's being made for the F-35 because it's small enough that 2 can fit on a single rack and the seeker head has a radar, IR seeker, and a HARM's passive receiver for homing on jam or maybe SAM arrays.

I can't remember now how many times I've had a chuckle when you've gone from an overview of the battle and back into your cockpit only to be killed a few seconds later from a missile or miss hap. But please don't change and rob me of 1 of my minor enjoyments.

5:38 - Spent several seconds looking for the town/city of "Unglay" that you ordered the team to stay over before it dawned on me what you meant. . . ;)

I assume that those telling you that the Rafale has such a small RCS are French :)

That second fight was the single greatest fight I think I've ever seen!

Great mission 👍

IMO if the best plane was based on looks alone the Rafale would be the F22. I saw the Rafale when I visited Paris and its just a cool, beautiful, lethal, looking Jet. The French did a great job with it. and Ive watch F22s do take off and landings at our local airport here in Billings, MT. Like a little airshow. also a cool looking jet..just not as.

If you jump off a bridge in Paris, you're in Seine.

So, question. I haven't done DCS. When you set the Rafale's RCS to .5, was it .5 with the bags? Or was it .5 + the bags? Feels like 1.5 + 1 bag = 2.5 (assuming a 1 m add for the bag) and .5 + 2 bags = 2.5.... Again, having not played DCS, I have no idea. Just curious.

Hello Cap! I've been attempting to determine the process of installing a missile (771) from another aircraft into the Su-27, but unfortunately, I haven't discovered any answers on the forum, ChatGPT, or here. Could you please guide me to a resource that explains how to install this specific missile into the Su-27? Alternatively, if you can provide instructions on how to carry out the installation, or if there is a video demonstrating the installation of missiles on different planes, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mate!

Seconds away from praising Cap on flying below the Eiffel Tower perfectly, yet still the inevitable bent my prop (in a jet) - that repeatability in multiple aircraft is truly impressive!

Is there an A-6 Intruder in DCS nowadays? Just watched your "Flight of the Intruder" video from 4 years ago, was hoping you might be able to redo it with the correct aircraft - not to mention, all your additional accumulated experience in modding and mission building in DCS - could be a real blast.

That was excellent.

You guys should put together the ghost bat or some other low observable drone for some battles.

Climb out on the ladder while it's in-flight, ghostride it!

Best match I ever watched.

Hey cap, i heard or see on the previous comment saying that you were going to make a video about the new RCS of SU57 that has changed the RCS from 0.12m2 to 0.017m2, that i saw on the comment, that you were saying on it, right. So, can you make a video about the change in the RCS of the SU57.

A few quick comments on the starting planes: both RCS are wrong if the planes have external tanks, you should probably multiply by at least 3 the proposed numbers... In terms of loadout, Eurofighter would normally take 6 meteors max (or a mix mix of meteor and AMRAAM) and 2 ASRAAM, the latest Rafale F4 version would take 2 meteors, 4 MICA EG and 2 MICA IR; There are tremendous differences for each planes between versions (regarding their radar, electronic countermeasures, helmets etc.) and that would have a massive impact on the results. If Rafale are in pairs, the standard practice is that the front plane that fires missiles does not turn on its radar, to be a more difficult target, the Rafale behind can guide the missile fired by the front plane. The MICA IR is a medium range IR missile that can be fired without IR lock, the missile then searches its target, so it is essentially a BVR IR missile which launch is very hard to detect by the enemy plane. Eurofighter should be expected to dominate at high altitude, and Rafale at low altitude.

Cap: I really want poosh. Maverick: Find viper, I want viper. LOL

Would a vertical saw tactic work in a long range flat terrain situation like this? The guy at the top of the climb fires at the baddies, and drags the incoming missiles back down into the thick air as the next guy is climbing into the top position. Would it burn too much fuel?

Hey GR, doesn’t the Rafale carry an additional pair of MICA RF BVRAAMs?

Hey Cap, I was just in Hong Kong yesterday, and when I logged in to your channel, I was like WTF...what happened? Most of your videos were gone, with the last video 3 months old. Not only that, but all videos had commenting turned off (and no comments visible) I thought you had a big spat with YT and was trying to download Rumble. Today, I landed in Australia and checked...all your videos are back with comments. Unless you did something major yesterday, I think YT does some SERIOUS censorship of your vids in certain countries.

Awesome!

Kudos to Bird, holding in reserve so he could be the clincher if needed. A+ strats.

That was epic!

Should try an Argentine surprise attack on England. War era of course. I can already hear the intro. "For reasons, the entire Argentine fleet has managed to get within 100 miles off the British coast without anyone knowing".

Can't stop laughing - Cap -"It's like an airshow, but just like the best airshow I've ever seen". You know, the kind with live missiles n'all.

Idk if DCS has the night hawk but it would be so cool if you could use it or include it in future videos

Typhoon has a lower RCS than Rafale. Source: Indian fighter pilot involved in MMRCA evaluation.

What were those tactics at the end by 2 typhoons? Looked like a throw to me.

Is this map real word sized? It's amazingly done!

Why is that the Meteor performs worse at lower altitudes compared to solid rocket motor missiles? Intuitively, I would think it would be the other way around. Here’s my logic. Because the Meteor requires atmospheric oxygen to produce thrust, there is a point in which the thrust/drag ratio begins to decrease as altitude increases. Seeing how conventional missiles contain their own oxidizer, there is no such constraint. Therefore, thrust would not change depending on altitude, just drag. Accordingly, a conventional missile becomes more efficient the higher the altitude where’s the Meteor may prefer relatively higher air density to produce optimal thrust. This would be my logic, but I am not an aerospace engineer so I am not be understanding ramjet physics properly. Any explanation would be greatly appreciated!

According to Google, Dassault Rafale has a RCS of 1.25 meter square.

Every thing I've read online shows the Raffa at between 1-2 RCS. Thats both general chat and published science.

The RCS of a Rafale is certainly not something that is set in stone, outside of the amount of composite used in the plane and the revised aerodynamics, the SPECTRA suite also act in a way to reduce the RCS but all that part is classified, on the other hand, add some missiles or pods and that RCS is going to grow. My question is would french pilots bring 2 fuel pods for a flight over home ground when faced with peer to peer level threats ?

Hell of a fight there. How about a dogfight with between all of the jet trainers from the past forty years.

A river in Paris...you mean the Left Bank and Right Bank aren't financial institutions? "You want a loan? Sorry, that's Right Bank. We only do deposits and wealth management here at Left Bank."

Genuine question why don’t any aircraft in this game use flares is it just go make it shorter or because the they don’t have them or another reason does anyone know ?

9:10 Supercap, Meteor’s propulsion seems better than SRM missiles like AIM260 when fired down low. The missile has both the ability to modulate its throttle and energy dense oxidant free propellant. This should allow Meteor to conserve fuel and keep its motor going longer, maybe even flooring it in terminal phase. Thicker air offers the motor more oxidizer which might also increase maximum thrust. The downside of air breathing propulsion is the inability to exit atmosphere. GR’s imaginary AIM260 uses bow thrusters to maneuver in space, it might hit targets up high that are tough for Meteor. TL;DR Fox 3 Weeds: Meteor propulsion seems better Fox 3 Very High: AIM260, PL15, R-77 propulsion seems better

Are there going to be anymore cold war jets coming to DCS e.g EE Lightning, Javelin, Hunter, Jaguar etc?

Could you make a scenario where the three eurocanards (Gripen, Rafale, and Eurofighter) teaming up to face the Russian fighters (Su-35, Su-30, and Mig 31)?

viewington wuingtons made me rewind and play it again lmaooo

👏👍

do you guys ever plan on making the builds public?

Hey Super Cap, did Fly teach you that Eiffel Tower attack strategy?

i have a request i dk if its modeled but can you guys do the mach loop for a fun little video i see mountains are modeled on map idk if they are in game

Are the ASRAAMS just for show or why didn´t they fired them ?

Let's get this RCS sorted. Look up the article: “It's Like Fighting Mr. Invisible”: I Fought Against a Stealth F-22 (And Lost)

Why such the delta wings?

You can take the pilot outta the Jaguar, but yer canna take the Jaguar out the pilot 😁 Luv that Matrix is low flying around Brighton and finding ‘mountains’ in the South of England.

The RAF is supposed to have the E-7 wedgetail in 2023. Does DCS have the E-7, yet?

Love to see Iron Dome? CH? 🧡

Lol, tiny RCS, but a fixed external refuelling probe....... makes sense.

Cutting thru the Eiffel Tower hard enough in a spitfire in Blazing Angels(Xbox) at full throttle so most probs even harder in a fast jet.

The best tactical setup would be two up high and two about 10k lower as bait.

Apparently, Cap has never seen The Vikings. That is how they got to Paris. That main vein right through the country. 120 ships.

You seem to have forget 7 air defence group based at thorny island home of the sky sabre defence system ?

The stuff about reducing altitude to reduce the range of the missiles is a joke - yes - if BOTH aircraft are down there, but if someone is up high the missile will stay up high until it HAS to dive to engage the target - modern missiles don't blindly aim at their target at the target's altitude - particularly if the target data is coming from an external source (including the aircraft itself) so the missile doesn't need to keep its target in its RADAR cone - the missile's AI will calculate the best flight profile in real time to maximise range. So somebody sitting at 55,000 feet will have a HUGE advantage over someone at 10,000 feet. Another area where Typhoon has the upper hand - Rafale's engines are a compromise for carrier operations - Typhoon is much better at high altitude - fuel burn and actual fight ceilings - so forget wikipedia figures - in real combat trim Typhoon will have an (at least) 10,000 foot operational ceiling advantage as a starting point for launching its Meteors - that would turn into a decisive kinetic and range advantage for Typhoon's Meteors. These so-called simulations are so far from reality it’s mind-boggling. Great game but GIGO nonsense. As for less than half the RCS for Rafale - what utter trot.

Su33 next?😅

I'd call the second fight a clear win for The Rafale!👍

I'd love to see this done against a Su-57 with an F-35 using an updated flight model and more realistically powerful radar.

How do you make a flight model?

Canadian Aircraft/ships/Army would be great? We had carriers post WW2. 🇨🇦 Veteran Love your stuff.

Looks like Bird still had an ASRAAM - if he can physically see the Rafale he could pre-cue the ASRAAM and blow the Rafale out the sky - even if it's behind him. Depending on the host aircraft software levels ASRAAM has 360 degree coverage with lock-after-launch - and flare rejection is pretty much 100% (like IRIS-T.)

Vikings used that river like a freeway to get to the Paris peasants and pillage them!

The RCS of the Eurofighter is 0.5-0.01m2

The ground textures look like a cartoon, the UK isn't that colour.

Where do I send the bill for my shattered windows caused by Matrix' sonic boom?

Nothing with a single straight up tail/rudder is low observable.

Huh? The Rafale is available in DCS?