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Everesting Drama! New Record Disqualified! What Are the Rules and What Have I Learned?

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@kaseycarpenter73 4 года назад

your silliness isn't just justified, it is a needed counterbalance in times like this.

@sebi1747 4 года назад

Great video! I would just like to add that Buchmann is not "just" a world tour level rider, but instead a 4th-place Tour de France finisher (while losing time in the time trial), so he may very well be one of the 10 best climbers in the world.

@brunospasta 4 года назад

Buchmann just did not care about the everesting record. He also never claimed that he has broken the record, his team Bora wrongfully did. He just wanted to raise money, have a good low key charity event and make it a really hard training ride (he did go hard on the uphills. He averaged about 310W on the uphills!). Apparently many people dont know the difference between moving and elepased time (especially as a world tour team you should!) and the media just copies information without varifying it.

@MrJuli97x 4 года назад

Bora also did not claim that he broke the record. They only mentioned it was an unofficial record. It was the media who spread the wrong information

@brunospasta 4 года назад

@@MrJuli97x Yeah, come on. The whole everesting record thing is somewhat unofficial. That's just an excuse they now come up with. They looked at Strava (or his headunit with auto pause) and just did the same mistake many others also seem to be caught with. And even if, what kind of record, official or unofficial, takes moving time as the bases of timing?? So next Tour they will put in protest because Buchmann took a nature break and should be rewarded a minute? That being out of the way, I also think there is no doubt that he could smash the record if he went for it looking at the numbers and how the event went down.

@roadglide 4 года назад

Jo Do 100%.

@Noah.com234 4 года назад

Jo Do I

@Falkao92 4 года назад

Buchmann went up the first hill, stopped to do interviews for German television, do some shoots for Bora Hansgrohe and then started the ride. I think that's where the 2/ minute brake came from.

@leic405 4 года назад

I think the whole thing about having to go back down at the end is to keep total descent time equal for different heights of mountain in different attempts. Like if you could literally climb one mountain as high as Everest, then you there wouldn't be any descent time.

@Pratalax 4 года назад

actually this makes a lot of sense. i was totally cool with chopping off the last descent before...

@niles_stone2540 4 года назад

One calculation you may want to consider is the time it takes to turn around on short rides vs the time it takes to ride all the way down on the last lap for longer segments.

@andrewsteavpack9079 4 года назад

The self awareness is on point in my opinion good vid, good take on current climate

@valtonpichette562 4 года назад

Self absorption is the term you were looking for.

@paulhaws4910 4 года назад

@@valtonpichette562 nobody is making you watch these--at least I hope

@keeneypr 4 года назад

@@paulhaws4910 - #freeValton !

@easternbrown 4 года назад

If the time stops when you hit the 8848m altitude gain, one advantage of a longer climb is that there is potentially less downhill to ride overall (as long as you hit that point near the top of the climb). A 2950m climb for example could be everested by climbing it three times and you'd only need to do two descents, significantly less descending than a short climb. In any case Phil should be proud to have set the record, it doesn't matter that it didn't stand for long just as for the holders of the hour record or round the world record, once a record setter always a record setter.

@jmb6g 4 года назад

I would look for a climb that has a consistent tailwind when you climb. The tailwind will assist you on the way up, when you can sit up and even get more of a wind assist than normal. It will slow you going down, but you will be able to tuck, so overall it should help you overall.

@kupsickted 4 года назад

Like you said I come here to escape all the other craziness going on. Keep up the good work.

@AGees 4 года назад

Buchmann tdf 4th place 2019

@SR-fm1ft 4 года назад

Phill, I love ya...even if you gave my cookies a 2.4.

@worstretirementever 4 года назад

I give bad ratings because I want what’s best for you. Don’t settle Seattle!

@BoooomerTV 4 года назад

I've read an article here in Germany about the attempt which said, that Buchmann was planning to finish within 10-11 hours and it was not intended to be an official Everesting attempt. The first 2 hours he went uphill with 270 Watts but then noticed that he had good legs that day so he increased to 310 Watts. Things got out of hands after his team published the news of him having broken the record and the media just passed on the news without questioning.

@worstretirementever 4 года назад

That sounds right

@lordad 4 года назад

@@worstretirementever Kinda right he did an Interview some days before the challenge saying its not about the time but about raising money for children. I am not sure anymore which time he said he will target but i dont think it was 10-11h it was more like 8-9h. (cant find the article right now) but as Felix said after 2hours he told his team that he feels good and asked how much he is behind the WR pace and they told him he is still on pace for beating the world record. So he went for it. Problem was as someone else pointed out : Buchmann went up the first hill, stopped to do interviews for German television, do some shoots for Bora Hansgrohe and then started the ride. I think that's where the 2/ minute brake came from. He dindt know about the rules since he didnt even plan on going for it in the first place. The idea of going for WR only started to manifest when he felt good after 2h.

@GEDC77 4 года назад

My interpretation of the rule “you can’t be driven down” applies while you are doing the challenge, you must ride up and down until you hit the official altitude. Once you hit the 8848m you do not have to complete the full hill repeat, nor descend. You are done LEGEND fold yourself into the car fetal position is best and go home. These seems logical, correct me if I am wrong.

@adrian.m258 4 года назад

Andy van Bergen has confirmed this in the Everesting Facebook group. It doesn’t matter what you do after 8848 m, you’re done.

@jameski5oeb668 4 года назад

I go ride as I can, you go and destroy hill rides I can’t even fathom at 49. Love it!

@robbchastain3036 4 года назад

There's gotta be a town or county that would love to host you, Phil, just think of all the good publicity from having a world-class hill to climb. And go for this thing as often as your legs and recovery permit--be the Most Everesting Man in the World, at least during this summer when it's like the Beatles at Shea Stadium and everyone is watching. Or just be your retired self on the sofa, glancing at your watch and waiting for those special shopping hours for retirees.

@rizkiyoist 4 года назад

I think the rule about going back down again is just so that it can be a fair and even ground for different hills. I mean if you can somehow find a hill like 1/4 of Everest, but didn't go back down on the last lap, you saved huge amount of time not descending. That would be unfair to someone who can only find a hill that is like 1/40 of Everest, even if he didn't go back down the last descend, he would save way less time because it has less distance.

@Daniel-ng8fi 4 года назад

That's dumb, same with the it has be done on the same hill rule. Summiting is who can get to the top the fastest, so all that should matter is you get to the 29K feet and your time stops at the top. You don't have as good a route as someone else? boohoo, either a) you don't get the record or b) go find a better route. It's an made up arbitrary record anyway, just do what you want and let everyone else argue it out, you can still claim "I have the FKT to 29K feet" or "I have the FKT ascending and descending 29K feet on a single hill".

@DC66DC 4 года назад

@@Daniel-ng8fi actually what you said is dumb and makes no sense at all, it's a record why would they make it unfair and what's that "Boohoo it's not fair" all about? Clearly you are someone who has never competed in any form of real competition in his life. You sound genuinely pathetic and confused.

@joshtipton7417 4 года назад

@@DC66DC jeez buddy lighten up

@joshtipton7417 4 года назад

Yeah that makes sense when you look about it like that. However I think for the vast majority of people stuff like this doesn't really matter since most people aren't going after a record anyway, just the feat of getting 29k in one ride is achievement enough

@jamisonr 4 года назад

I think Daniel Hughes is right, the only thing that should really matter is how quickly you get to 29k feet and time stops at the top. You can see from Phil's comments that picking the right route is important. If you pick a hill that only has 300 feet of climbing so that it takes 97 laps, well then that is really on you for not finding a better location. Call it strategy. I know I'd rather try with something that was longer and thereby has less laps. I think you'll see that as the record gets pushed, it will be on longer and longer climbs and I'm not certain that double digit gradients is the way to go.

@roadglide 4 года назад

Have you thought about one of the Passes of the California Death Ride in Markleeville, Ca.? Starting at Turtle Rock Park at 6100 feet. Then choose either: Ebbetts Pass-8730’, Carson- “ 8652’ or Monitor- “ 8314’. Then you have in the Sierra Nevadas-Sonora Pass-9623’

@jamisonr 4 года назад

I wonder if physiologically there is a point where steeper climbs become more detriment than a shallower climb? I can't imagine the rate of fatigue is linear, which would suggest that it might be beneficial for some riders to try much longer but less steep climbs, like 6 to 8%. I'm sure in just pure watts someone can calculate that, but I feel like something is missing...is doing 300 watts on flat ground the same on the body as 300 watts at 12% gradient?

@garygellin 4 года назад

I know the numbers well for running uphill, not cycling, but the ascent rate goes up at the same effort up to 23% grade. Assuredly for cycling the peak feet per hour (or VAM) is on a hill steeper than the 11% grade that Phil rode for his last Everesting. I've discovered also that 14% is roughly the point at which you can run faster up a hill than ride.

@billinhouston3291 4 года назад

As long as you have the right gearing, shorter is better, because there just less distance to cover. At some point it's so steep it gets too weird, but that would be steeper than any extended paved road.

@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet 4 года назад

You should do a ride and chat with one of the guys from L39gion!

@5PercentTint 4 года назад

Please

@schrockstar1 4 года назад

Thank you for being my distraction!

@tomfitz3324 4 года назад

What about Onion Valley or a stretch on Whitney Portal Road? There is a a 2.66 mi segment from Lone Pine campground to hairpin that is 10% grade with one gradual bend and 1,364 of gain. It is at some elevation, so may not be optimal, but seems worth a thought.

@tomfitz3324 4 года назад

I was thinking turn before the hairpin so would be mostly straight and you could descend without brakes, as long as you don’t mind going 60+

@RickTVification 4 года назад

"i took the everlasting record walking up and down the stairs to take a crap in my house over the last 8 years...."

@toasti1237 4 года назад

To give some more info on the Buchmann everesting, he lives in Bregenz (most western part of Austria). I think he started in Oetz because the Ötztaler Tourism (or at least the Ötztaler Radmarathon, a sportive) sponsored part of it. There was a lot of logo placement of that in all the media they distributed about his attempt.

@Bristol182 4 года назад

Keegan’s road was also closed to traffic that day (it is only open in the summer)

@carsonboehme8315 4 года назад

So was Phil’s

@HumaneNewt 4 года назад

@@carsonboehme8315 pretty sure you're wrong

@samuelmundula2216 4 года назад

@@carsonboehme8315 Phil's was open to traffic but had dramatically reduced traffic due to the pandemic

@worstretirementever 4 года назад

Traffic was open on my road but not a problem. Closed would be nice for sure though

@stevenbass6576 4 года назад

Love how you were never going to do the everasting challenge again. Now it’s please find me the. Eat road in North America for it!! Can’t wait to see you go for it again!!

@wercruising 4 года назад

Hi Phil, MT. Ascutney in Vermont, it Is half of the MT. Washington climb, check it out. Btw, Ian Boswell live about an hour from that climb in Peacham Vermont

@albanegger2569 4 года назад

FYI I believe he started on one side of the hill, because a tourism area sponsored/supported the attempt and the actual climb was in another valley.

@jimmorris751 4 года назад

Dude, you are awesome. Period. Amazing channel on so many levels. 🙏🏼🥂👍🏻

@barrybonner6005 4 года назад

Quite literally your worst retirement in 2020

@robbchastain3036 4 года назад

We need an ESPN 30 for 30 on this, something like Four Days and then Keegan.

@jeffreyreeves9113 4 года назад

I would think that the amount of speed you'd be able to carry thru the turn around at the bottom is an important consideration. "If you brake, you lose." Mario Cipollini

@waltmartin92 4 года назад

I think it would be helpful to know the list of your reject routes.

@JTMarlin8 4 года назад

COOKIE FONDO - can't wait.

@dexterjohnson9015 4 года назад

Show me a man with a sense of humor and there is a man who can save the world, or at least one of their fellow humans.

@rcranes2227 4 года назад

One of the things I like about your channel is that you never fail to point out things that really matter (recent protests, sick people, hungry kids, dumb Confederate monuments) as separate from things that matter to you (records, cookies, beard puke). I say keep striking that balance and help educate a group of us that hope for a lighter bike, about the plight of fellow Americans that instead hope for a nice meal or a safe walk down the street.

@LUCYDIAMONDBOXER1 4 года назад

I did an Everesting in 1205hrs. Got to wait till August for my Everesting jersey 😕

@djconnel 4 года назад

The return to start makes sense. It equalizes the effort for long and short climbs. Everesting on a 3000 meter climb has an advantage over a 100 meter climb. The 3000 meter climb gets to skip 2900 meters of descending. So if you're going to count descending as part of total time, you need to make sure everyone descends the same amount.

@zachbell8107 4 года назад

Everyone in the comments talking about Buchmann and the controversy and not a fucking peep in support of Phil's callout of the bullshit situation that our country is going through and how he is doing his part to end racial inequality. I for one thank you. keep on fighting the good fight.

@FelipeSalum 4 года назад

If you can abandon the repeat once you hit 8,848m it means (for me) that you don't need to ride it down. Did I misunderstand? - The exception to full repeats of the same section/segment of hill is once you hit 8,848m you can abandon that repeat (although we highly recommend bagging ‘just a few’ extra metres.. just in case!) - Each repeat must be ridden up and down (i.e. you can’t get driven down each time). You also need to keep your device recording the whole time.

@JMcLeodKC711 4 года назад

Felipe Salum I think the rule about finishing at the bottom and not being driven down is a nod to climbing the real Mount Everest.

@billinhouston3291 4 года назад

You have to get down after you complete the climb. Clock stops once you hit the altitude (I think?), but you have to get down without assistance.

@sammm700 4 года назад

please keep up the silliness Phil

@chrisvanbuggenum871 4 года назад

I think the longer the climb the better. Slowing down to turn around at the bottom is wasted time and it all adds up.

@philipk4475 4 года назад

That's true (within reason). But can you find a suitably steep and straight segment so that you don't have to brake while descending?

@michaelacedeno 4 года назад

Love this, thank you Phil!

@natas0733 4 года назад

If you wanna be serious about the record then dont limit yourself to north america. When and if the record comes down to hill choice, then the new record holder will travel to the best hill in the world.

@jemsmay2167 4 года назад

Have a look at Whiteface in New York. Good gradient, great pavement, around 3500 ft per lap, depending on where you turn around. Grade would average 9-10% and pretty straight decent if you cut out the switchback near the top

@Pierrrrrrrrrrrrrrre 4 года назад

Yeah that wouldn't be too bad - the top is too exposed to the wind. I would not go to the top.

@dan.p.8060 4 года назад

“Idk if you guys noticed but the world is sort of going to hell” lmao. Thank goodness for the healing qualities of something as simple as cycling 🙂 Love your videos and personality, Phil! Cheers from Seattle.

@nissenalf 4 года назад

You also need to consider what suits you best. 10 long climbs with a bit of rest between or many short climbs with high frequence of resting, and easier logistics regards to fueling.

@elmccor6298 4 года назад

Great vid as usual Phil (especially with the horrendous current events).

@claytonmarkin7863 4 года назад

The riding up the back side of the hill thing I can overlook completely, that's a technicality at best. I honestly don't see why you have to one climb over and over, if you climb that kind of elevation you are a savage no matter how you structure it. I would love to see if there what an "Open Everest" would look like time wise. No rules (aside from like an ebike), who can climb 29k the fastest. Or even some kind of using your fastest strava climbing segments to give you the fastest 29k of climbing you've done. Only counting rolling time doesn't fly for very obvious reasons

@plantpoweredhealth9383 4 года назад

You'd be better off going for the High Roleur Society challenge of 10000m. You can do any combination of hills, but again,it has its own set of rules too.

@andrewbarber8758 4 года назад

Here is some logic behind the rule to finish at the bottom. Let's say you have a 29000 ft climb. All you need to do is ride uphill and claim the record without any downhill. If you have a 1000ft climb, you would have to do 28000 feet of downhill even with your finish at the top. So you can see that there is an advantage that builds the longer your climb is. Simple rule - finish at the start.

@kungfutigerrob 4 года назад

7:29 was the almost record ride.

@PLo312 4 года назад

@Phil Gaimon, if u wanna compare yourself to the best benchmarks, at least get that right.. you're off by over 20mins to Buchmann.. still, good job on your channel, we need more distractions

@kylebrown4293 4 года назад

Question about everesting? Is a long climb with lots of vert and less ascents better or short and quick? Not that I'm going to break the record but it is a bucket list goal of mine for the Fall.

@thomasbarrett2365 4 года назад

Have a look at the other videos, in one of the parts he takes you through finding the optimal segment

@chrisjenkins1 4 года назад

Cool. Any tips on how to avoid getting cramp. I might do an everesting for charity but even with training at some point I'll start to cramp up.

@markconnelly1806 4 года назад

Proper hydration and diet

@SkeetSystem 4 года назад

Yeah I don't think The Book Man is super bummed about this. I think he's just trying to keep his form from when he won Paris-Nice in March.

@tbeule94 4 года назад

The Book Man (Buchmann) did in fact not win Paris-Nice it was his Teammate Maximilian Schachmann, greetings from Germany.

@silvanoschmid9385 4 года назад

Schachmann won Paris-Nice :D

@drew3864 4 года назад

How bout horseshoe meadows in lone pine CA. I think longer climb is good cause you don’t have to do as many laps so you waste less time turning around and you can also rest for longer on the descents

@jeffmilligan9761 4 года назад

When watching the video, the first thing I thought of was the Whitney Portal - steep but there are some hairpins.

@MarufoVega 4 года назад

Everesting definitely can't be based moving time. What about the wind? It seems if you wanted to go for it again, you want a hill where the prevailing wind is behind you on the upward leg on a day with a stiff breeze.

@joekaleita7782 4 года назад

You should do something really crazy, like Everesting in Florida. Only 158 laps on Sugarloaf Mountain!

@10ktube 4 года назад

Could you get Mt. Washington to let this happen? I’ve been up that a bunch and it’s a solid what 5000-6000 foot climb over 7.6 miles. If you went up it at a more leisurely pace than a race pace, it’d probably be awesome for this. My fastest was 57 minutes and change, with 350w ish average. If you scaled down to 70-80 minute range for the climb, you go up it what 5-6 times, you got it easily. Weather dependent for sure, descending is doable too but they don’t let you on race day.

@jasonvtmd 4 года назад

Highway 267 from kings beach in lake tahoe to brockway summit north lake tahoe. Super straight. Air thin for downhill speed. Decently steep. I sent b4 but not sure if u saw or will see this either.

@NordicUrs 3 года назад

You are a decent, good guy.

@10ktube 4 года назад

Curious why you have to use the same exact hill for the Everesting attempt. I can see ONE ride, as in no stopping and starting again, but going up x feet the fastest is the goal right? If someone made a huge loop of endless hills that should be able to count (to me). What’s the deal with that rule? Am I missing something?

@MasterdoMagic 4 года назад

Prevent Kinetic gains. There is also a rule that you should go down the same hill even, and not be on some larger loop that involves the uphill climb you are counting. Both rules aim at preventing you from getting to the uphill segment with any significant momentum, it aims at eliminating "free feet". Your loop of endless hills example would have a lot of V shaped segments that would have that benefit.

@stinkerseb595 4 года назад

I don’t think he gave a toss about the record it was about raising cash , others made it about records and rules!

@MrRideBikesFastDownHills 4 года назад

Just a thought... Is motorpacing outlawed in the rules. Perhaps not very ethical but.....

@deanmason5478 4 года назад

Rabbit Ears Pass. Steamboat Colorado. No Brakes

@bajongenelen 4 года назад

Has anyone suggested the apple orchard climb on the blue ridge parkway?

@worstretirementever 4 года назад

No can you send me the segment?

@harrisonaero 4 года назад

Is there software that will search Strava and find the right hill?

@silvanoschmid9385 4 года назад

I want to see everesting from ur staircase :D

@tomfitz3324 4 года назад

The stretch on the Fedaia in the Dolomites from the Hotel Roy up to the switchbacks (staring main climb from Caprile) seemed very steep and straight and like it would be brutal- and might work. Not North America, but c’est la vie.

@thomaskaufmann5809 4 года назад

yes, that part is quite steep and completely straight (like 2,5 k with nearly 12% gradient). another possibility in the Dolomites: Alpe di Pampeago from Tesero up to the tunnel: slightly above 10%, about 6k and as far as I remember there was only one turn in the downhill (not even a switchback)

@aemediainc 4 года назад

Record or not props to that other guy for how many switchbacks he had to do also!!

@SioLazer 4 года назад

you're brilliant at balancing entertainment with advocacy. I'm here because "please share this when I'm killed by someone driving a car." also, I'm really sorry POSs are talking shit about your body. You do great work for the community and are a good human.

@charliegalliher 4 года назад

dude, you are a really good guy.

@ernestwestphal1503 4 года назад

If you are looking for a hill segment, think about Mount Washington Road in New Hampshire. 11.8 KM ascent with 1400 meters of elevation, average gradient of 12%. Descent is almost all straight road. Here is the segment connect.garmin.com/modern/course/34508179.

@maxeylifetv2676 4 года назад

More descending equal more recovery so doesn’t that negates the difference between longer and shorter climbs?

@brucedeboer5671 4 года назад

How about the Haleakala climb on Maui? !0,000 feet starting from sea level.

@marek4698 4 года назад

Phill, you’re an awesome guy!

@elpina587 4 года назад

Do you have 2 watches on cause if so you know what time it is

@CyberdyneSystemsSkynet 4 года назад

Whoop! fitness band

@rp1957 4 года назад

one is just a heart rate monitor

@p49N 4 года назад

Nice take PG! I'd imagine a smooth surface is as important as a perfetto grade, ya?

@markconnelly1806 4 года назад

That is true. As well temperature. Just like the real Mt. Everest, the bike route should be one course that everyone has to do for a record. Maybe one per country?

@mattdogg31 4 года назад

Jack's Gap Georgia.. you know the spot

@kwacker45 4 года назад

Sanity in an insane world...chapeau bro'

@jcsrst 4 года назад

Take away, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THE RULES BEFORE ATTEMPTING A RECORD.

@JesseDishner 4 года назад

Turns out he wasn't attempting the record at all, just out for a training ride.

@davidvonslingshot 4 года назад

what watch are you wearing on your right arm....

@n.heroep2786 4 года назад

Yeah.. maybe before his retirement Froome will do Everesting and ride it so fast that no one will break the record again until the next 20 years. You know how Ineos, when they put Everesting as a project, they'll research the whole thing to the wazoo. From nutrition, what hill, what power etc. Or maybe after his impressive performance on ADZ Ineos race, Rohan will do vEveresting by motor up ADZ 8x and smash everyone's record.

@binkzera2777 4 года назад

Why does it have to be the same climb? That’s just dumb.

@markxkovacic 4 года назад

It's so you can't use momentum from the downhill for the next climb. That would be a huge advantage.

@plantpoweredhealth9383 4 года назад

For those that want to mix hills,not just be stuck on one,this is the challenge. 10k vert Everesting. everesting.cc/everesting-10k/

@linglingjr 4 года назад

I hope a few more crazy world tour guys go for it between now and august. Or whenever racing actually ends up starting.

@leegmann2282 4 года назад

Will KOM-Rad be joining you in your second everesting record attempt?

@8moves 4 года назад

Oak Glen? Is that a good climb?

@adamkubiak1933 4 года назад

Your channel is great. So is the cause. But... Can you convey one thought with a group of sentences instead of conveying a group of thoughts with one sentence.

@tothefinlandstation 4 года назад

I thought you were 35lbs lighter than me (and the same height) and that's why you were so much faster at hills! Turns out you're only 30lbs lighter than me though!

@emilegoguely4032 4 года назад

You really are salty and K.S.'s record. Would you want long (less then arounds and braking) or short so that the HR keeps at bay. I honestly don't think braking does much on the overall time. Happy to hear you'll be going back for it

@icubbon 4 года назад

A-Mountain in Tucson could be a good option!

@markfrost5632 4 года назад

Everest on mount Diablo

@Cevan42 4 года назад

At 6:45, it's by accident, not on accident.

@vincentmartle9544 4 года назад

My teammate did 'de Paterberg' in Belgium 100 times.. 265kms, 6100htms in 10h25min. Not an everest but damn what an effort he did.. his fastest laps were numbers 91 and 92.. Look him up on strava : Foeke Lammertyn www.strava.com/activities/3500164666

@joelcalderon376 4 года назад

Check out mount Washington NH.

@Kittyjesus503 4 года назад

Hopefully Buchmann tries again out of spite, and DEMOLISHES the record.

@geoffreymayne1532 4 года назад

Not sure what you've heard, but are you looking at the Mount Washington Auto Road Climb? It's a steady 12% for a little over 7 miles. If you did the first 5 km, and turned around, it would be this: www.strava.com/segments/6808742