Everton, Koeman and the Definition of 'Big Club'

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Everton, Koeman and the definition of 'Big Club'.
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Who's the bigger club, Everton or Southampton? With the news of Ronald Koeman's "sideways" shift, we ask how you define a "big club", and whether Everton really are bigger than Southampton.
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@hyperion1028 8 лет назад

The amount of research done in these videos is amazing!

@therealgiannis3117 8 лет назад

wow you deserve more subscribers your content is excellent

@deeps2169 7 лет назад

History does play a part, Leeds, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and Newcastle (for example) are all teams with big names and big support bases. Just because they're not as good in footballing terms currently doesn't mean they're not 'big' clubs

@Baresi-Unico-Capitano 7 лет назад

aw man its raoul moat like

@phsyco29 7 лет назад

no, big teams only defined by consistency. For example AC Milan, no bigger team than them in Europe except for Real Madrid. But for the past 3-4 years they are no longer a big team. Same goes for Leicester, the fact they couldn't maintain the level they were. History enrich the club status in footballing world but not the level itself. What separate big clubs from mediocre clubs: maintaining the performance at the highest level

@hschsc1300 7 лет назад

Forest are kind of a small club, even when they won the European Cup(s). Leeds, Sheff Wed, Villa, and Newcastle are combined with success, fans, and wealth.

@phsyco29 7 лет назад

They were big when in the 70's and the team in your avi were kinda small then. Wealth is relative due to investors, will you say a Shanghai team bigger than united? they could literally buy united if they want to. Consistency is the key. Wealth and fans will follow, you won't support united if they weren't winning.

@Chris-uo5fz 7 лет назад

Tundra Opta Birmingham City aswell

@jamesytheblue 8 лет назад

Yet the author left out one very important aspect of how you calculate the size of a football club. Fans. An example of this is Southampton having a stadium that holds 32,500 people whilst Everton have 'already' sold over that amount in season-tickets alone. There's no comparison.

@flipjoberg 8 лет назад

Latest rumblings on the south coast are that Koeman used Everton as a bargaining chip to get a better deal at Saints. Which has backfired spectacularly. Saints happy to put Koeman out on 1yr of gardening leave if he's thinking about turning down the Everton offer. What a mess.

@TheIllustratedGame 8 лет назад

Southampton averaged a higher attendance in relation to the size of their stadium over the season than Everton. Individual fanbase size makes little difference at this level. Unless we're talking about Liverpool, with an enormous global following (which we're not with Everton), all mid-table clubs come under the brand of Premier League. With the TV money accounting for significantly more than gate receipts, I don't see what difference the size of the fan base makes, given it's an insignificant number.

@jamesytheblue 8 лет назад

Actually, we basically sold out every home seat last season. The only times seats were generally left was when away fans didn't fill their allocation, like when Southampton came to Goodison. We filled out our allocation at St Mary's though. The rest is just bullshit babble... It makes a hell of a difference. It makes a difference to gate receipts, to how many games Sky pay you for, to shirt sales, sponsorship, kit deals etc. Everton have a support throughout the UK, Ireland and beyond. I was talking to a fella from the Saints Irish supporters club two years ago; he said they had 70 odd members throughout the country. The Everton club in Belfast alone has over 500 - that doesn't even include the 3 clubs in the Republic; that says it all; there's no comparison. Soon, we'll be rolling out plans for a 55,000 stadium; what will your excuse be then?

@jamesytheblue 8 лет назад

There's one very major problem with your story...

@allanlindsay8369 8 лет назад

Hello BDJ, the evidence is against that claim, who is the best supported team in Europe under those terms? Dortmund, average 80,000 plus each home game, yet they are being "asset stripped" by clubs with smaller attendances, inclusive of the likes of Man City, much smaller ground and attendance.

@TwelveDeck 7 лет назад

I'd like to see you do an analysis of Bournemouth's meteoric rise.

@charanchitirala3954 7 лет назад

I am so happy that I found this channel as it actually talks about Football. Great Stuff!

@Subra3011 7 лет назад

The content in this channel is absolutely excellent! It would be nice if your videos were longer (around 10 mins maybe) since many of the topics covered are extremely interesting!

@Tifo 7 лет назад

A good point but these take a tremendous amount of time to make

@h3nder 7 лет назад

Big club needs to have: History Trophies Europe Money Good players. City have: Trophies Europe Good players Money If you are missing one you are still big. Arsenal,Liverpool,Man U,Chelsea all have: Trophies Europe Money Good players Spurs is becoming a big club.

@ImamYudia 4 года назад

Who else is here after Koeman has been appointed as Barca's boss?

@khabiboriginal2646 4 года назад

Koeman to Barça

@pesxbarca 3 года назад

@khabiboriginal2646 3 года назад

@@pesxbarca he’s doing good job. players aren’t adopting his plan. Assholes like braitwaite and griezwomen are playing like rookie. It isn’t his mistake.

@pesxbarca 3 года назад

@@khabiboriginal2646 not really

@khabiboriginal2646 3 года назад

@@pesxbarca seems like you don’t understand football

@pesxbarca 3 года назад

@@khabiboriginal2646 koeman has 15 years experience of being a manager and still gets outclassed and out played by new managers Bad player's or not his tactics and formations made us weak in all departments

@meatman446 7 лет назад

Everton are bigger than Southampton in every measurable way and I'm a Southampton fan

@deepakoli4801 4 года назад

Who is here after koeman becomes the new head coach of Barça

@bubbej0 7 лет назад

The size of a club is measured in how well known the club is globally, how many fans it has, and the number of trophies they have won. There is a massive difference between a big club and a great team.

@snowman01 6 лет назад

Surely the definition of a "big club" is the size of their wealth, *power* , fans, stadium etc. Success plays a part in attaining this but shouldn't otherwise be considered when defining a "big club". E.g. Aston Villa is a big club by Championship standards because of it's power: being that of it's larger fan base, stadium, and general capacity to bring in larger revenues than its Championship rivals.

@Jonathan2342 6 лет назад

To be a "Big Club" you have to routinely play in European competitions, and maintain competitive squads over the long term. Though it is kind of chicken/egg thing, European competitions give more exposure and money, Exposure and money bring in more popular players and fans, Players and fans give more wins and sponsorship money which gives you European competition and exposure. You either have to have an overacheiving team (Liecester city) or an Owner willing to spend a ton of money before success (Manchester City, PSG) to raise your station. At least thats how i see it.

@joemc9683 8 лет назад

Yes Everton is bigger they now have more money and a bigger support base

@TalkingToSteve 7 лет назад

Fans, history and money are all important and usually intertwined. But the best way to visually see if a club is big which also links to those 3 factors is....... If players 'ask/dream of' playing for the club. Almost all clubs that achieve great long term success have players in there club that had a dream to be at the club. Barca... 2009 - current Man utd... 1992 - 2008 Real madrid... 2012 - current All these examples had players with them that had expressed unanimously there desire to join / stay at that club. Barca... Puyol. Pique. Fabregas. Xavi. Iniesta. Messi Man utd... Beckham. Neville. Scholes. Giggs Real Madrid... Ronaldo. Ramos. Southampton have youth... But the youth don't seem to say...... Its my dream to play for Southampton. But Liverpool's youth seem to dream of making Liverpool great again, for example. Recent examples. Pogba to man utd Coutinho wanting barca Aubameyang wanting madrid Rashford at man utd Kane at Tottenham

@SurferWilly 6 лет назад

One thing's for sure. I bet Koeman wish he didnt switched :P I know Everton is bigger club, all in all but I was one of them who found this Koeman move abit "sideways"

@rocheyb1 7 лет назад

Southampton is a provincial club; they have created an excellent academy that generates the levels of income required to, now, be a consistently top half Premier League club. That they've been able to produce so much of their own talent and develop young, purchased players to the levels they have and at such a rate is an example to other clubs. If they can keep it going long enough, they might one day be in a position to challenge higher up the league, but only until their best players and managers are once again poached away by the already bigger clubs. Every club in the world that is "bigger" than Southampton comes from a city with a larger population - therefore a larger potential match going / merchandise purchasing audience. Everton are one of those clubs. I support Southampton and live about 6 miles from the city centre.

@BigBlack81 5 лет назад

What is the music in this video? It is amazing, as is the rest of the video.

@robertcampbell661 7 лет назад

Might have been worth mentioned Liebherr's insistence of selling the club,and resistance to investment when talking about Everton's new owners promising investment.

@mg42frizzle46 8 лет назад

Well said

@franriding6473 5 лет назад

How is it even a debate? So are Southampton or Bournemouth bigger than Leeds? Not a chance

@MrJahka 7 лет назад

The TV deals partially erase the advantage these bigger clubs had: a much larger fan base. If Villa can, arguably a top 5 club in terms of support, anyone can go down eventually.

@laurencesdaddy6392 5 лет назад

MrJahka villas stadium holds 42k and they only get 25-30k in the championship (that’s on par with Norwich, derby etc so average size clubs). Leicester will have a stadium (we are getting an expansion) with a capacity of 42,500 which makes it the biggest stadium in the midlands. We have 23k season ticket holders with 15k on the waiting list so we will sell out. Does that make Leicester a big club or bigger club? We will be getting near double the attendances at palace, Watford and 10/15k more than Southampton, stoke and West Brom. + our new £100m training facility which is going to be one of the best in Europe. We may be a big club in 30 yrs if we maintain this trajectory and the kids of today grow up watching lcfc grow and the old people die and therefor forest etc will be seen as middle-small. Luna

@drewberry8945 6 лет назад

What needs to change to make one team bigger than another like IMO Leeds > Brighton, Sunderland > Huddersfield but Bournemouth > Sunderland 2 seasons ago I would have said Sunderland > Bournemouth is it because Eddie Howe is a miracle or just recent bias?

@rhyslloyd3200 7 лет назад

I like to measure the size of clubs by shirt sales. Can display global, domestic and historic power

@Herbiesainty 7 лет назад

Glory glory Everton

@cal-efc8062 5 лет назад

Also forgot to mention Everton have won the European cup winners cup

@BonjournoDeano 7 лет назад

its simple why he left, Southampton are content being a selling club every season and managing to still do well which is great but aspire no greater than that which Koeman clearly disapproves of. Everton although the same level as Southampton table wise have shown they are willing to retain key players ie baines, lukaku and barkley and with new management want to invest.Basically one aspires to be a Tottenham and the other a talent producer, both great but id pick a Tottenham aspirer anyday

@TheAntagonistx 4 года назад

Who else is here after Koeman is Appointed Barcelona Manager?

@adhamkaabelgazal9781 4 года назад

@niggin9271 3 года назад

hmmmm

@शुभशर्मा-व4ट 7 лет назад

This season will decide Everton is bigger or not

@attackpatterndelta8949 3 года назад

I’ve seen Sunderland referred to as a big club. If they can be called a big club, any team can be.

@dylanparker130 2 года назад

Not really, Sunderland have won 6 league titles if memory serves. I believe Chelsea (another big club) now have 6 league titles too - it's no small achievement.

@dylanparker130 2 года назад

If anyone, and I do mean ANYONE, thinks Southampton is a bigger club than Everton, they want to give their head a wobble! Despite the enjoyable video, there is NO metric that could justify Southampton being deemed the bigger club. The better team, sure, why not, but a bigger club? Fewer fans + fewer trophies + less money = smaller club.

@sriig 2 года назад

a lot has transpired since this video came out, no?

@dylanparker130 2 года назад

@@sriig Nothing that contradicts what I said in the original post.

@shanewright2772 7 лет назад

Everton also has a very successful academy. But we're not a big club and I accept this. 7th is the magical figure for us - if we finished 7th, that's a finish befitting our stature. if we finish 6th we've done jolly well, if we finish 8th or worse, that''s a bad season. If we finish above Liverpool, whay hey! We make do with the scraps off the big teams table and occasionally, we polish up a diamond and sell it on. That's our lot in life. To us, the culture of the club and what it stands for is far more important and that's why we will always be better than those disgraceful scummers across the park.

@onetwo6803 7 лет назад

I always see Everton as a big(gish) club for some reason. They (as you mentioned) normally finish seventh in the PL. You have good players, a big fan base etc. My brother sees you on par with Tottenham and Liverpool and my cousin sees you on par with Stoke, Southampton, Leicester and West Ham, I personally see you as in the middle as both those levels, not a top team but not a mid table team either, just as an inbetween club.

@shanewright2772 7 лет назад

What we are is a club in a city of two clubs - we're the most popular in our own city, but our brand doesn't expend very far beyond that. Had Heysel never happened and our best team in 50 years been able to compete in Europe who knows, maybe we would have been better poised to exploit the start of the Premier league era and build a wider brand base, instead of fumbling about in Mike Walker-dom. Of course, there are many many many many better reasons to wish that Heysel had never happened, I say that without hesitation.

@samjohnson8803 7 лет назад

It's fans like Shane that suck the ambition out of Everton. Everton is obviously a big club, with a history befitting of one. Our lack of trophies and top four finishes in recent times has been poor and taken its toll on our image, but you can't deny history, and Everton is still the 4th most successful club in Enlgand. 7th is not a magical figure for us. With the money we had under kenwright, it was acceptable, but now with a new investor and a clear plan for the future, Everton should be focusing on getting back among england's elite, not accepting mediocrity.

@shanewright2772 7 лет назад

Sam, I l love you dearly and I wish what you were saying would reflect the reality - but until I see some serious Dosh from Mr Mosh (and it hasn't been forthcoming thus far) , the odd Europa jaunt is all I can see us looking forward to.

@samjohnson8803 7 лет назад

Shane Wright So securing Koeman on 6m a year, paying off the clubs 80m debt, Buying Williams at 11m, Bolasje at 25m, Gueye at 7m, Upgrading goodison, securing new sponsorship deals worth 75m, and potetnitally securing a waterfront site for a new ground (All in 1 year) isn't enough to show we're going in the right direction?

@alexburt20 7 лет назад

Villa and Forest aren't big clubs, there sleeping giants So basically yeah there big clubs

@dylanparker130 2 года назад

Villa, yes 100%. Forrest is a bit more debatable. They've won one league title in their entire history, which essentially comprises two stunning seasons until Brian Clough. A terrific club, definitely bigger than most 2nd tier clubs, but not that big by PL standards.

@ciaranbrowne4313 7 лет назад

One on the new TV deal please

@genxer9947 7 лет назад

Southampton have two 6th placed finishes and now because of that they are a bigger club than Everton? Someone is obviously smoking something.

@whittar 3 года назад

If someone performs better for 2 seasons they're the better club but not the bigger one.

@sibstarr 7 лет назад

Southampton academy generated bale, mane, lallana, oxlade chamberlain,

@oliverkent7158 3 года назад

Everton are a sleeping giant. But as said it is a money game. Highest number of seasons in top league. Underfunded in PL era

@rogerdecoursey8341 3 года назад

Are evertun in Birmingham?

@taylorcarney8496 3 года назад

You spelt it wrong

@thecandynoob8245 7 месяцев назад

they're in liverpool

@bingbong123isme 7 лет назад

Everton have a better academy than Southhampton

@pphyjynx8217 7 лет назад

what great players have everton brought through recently? the only truly great player that everton have brought through in the past 20 years was rooney, whilst Southampton have created amazing players in the past 5

@bes5ie856 7 лет назад

Didn't Southampton create Bale?

@MichaelJackson78100 7 лет назад

Southampton - Shearer, Bale, Walcott etc. Everton - Barkley LOL

@yazzur8304 7 лет назад

What a laughable statement and how unfitting in the comment section of this channel. I could throw the exact same stupid argument right back at you. Southampton - James Ward-Prowse Everton - Rooney

@yazzur8304 7 лет назад

What amazing players have they created in the past 5? I'm genuinely asking.

@InimitaPaul 8 лет назад

Since when does history not matter? Stating "in this climate" is no justification for wiping 9 league titles from the measure of the bigger club. Everton are by far the bigger club, by far. It's not even close. Southampton have won jack in their history, their most memorable player is Matt le Tissier and the best to come out of their academy is Adam Lalana, hardly impressive. Everton''s Dixie Dean is still the record holder for most goals in one season, the academy produces the likes of Wayne Rooney and Ross Barkley and they've won pretty much everything worth winning. I hope you paid the artist properly for wasting his time, unfortunately the rest of us had to waste our time free of charge.

@InimitaPaul 8 лет назад

Shearer spent two years in their academy before making his first team bow, you can hardly claim him as an academy player. Theo Walcott is nothing to write home about, he's had plenty of chances to prove himself and fallen flat on his face every time. Bale I'll give you, obviously. Why does the disparity in silverware only apply to the likes of Man U and Liverpool? Everton have won the fifth most silverware in the history of English football. When comparing Everton and Southampton it's not even close, anyone claiming it is is embarrassing themselves.

@InimitaPaul 8 лет назад

Orlando It's not even remotely negligible, when a chairman is selling a club to the new manager it makes a big difference if you have a sizable history. You can sell them more than just what's current but also what has been achieved in the past, something for them to aspire to, a dream of bringing back the glory days. Southampton haven't had a glory day never mind days. Bale aside, Southampton's academy produces midtable players at best. Walcott, Chamberlain and Chambers can't cut it at Arsenal and are being sold back down to midtable, Lallana is at a midtable club in Liverpool. Yes Southampton have made money from their academy but there are obvious flaws in their academy if the players don't last at those clubs. There will come a point in the not to distant future where clubs will be very weary of their academy, all that glistens is most definitely not gold once they leave. Southampton's academy is being given far too much credit in this equation.

@jamesytheblue 8 лет назад

No, your academy is superb, and the list you give, coupled with your transfer surplus over the last few years, adds weight to the fact that you're just a selling club. That's why Koeman left in the end - he's already a millionaire. The choice between having to balance the books for a spoilt owner who doesn't really care, or £100 mill + any outgoings to spend for an owner who is trying to make a statement.

@Avilla2201 8 лет назад

Le Tissier was quality his highlight reel can compare to anyone else's, underrated.

@daxlunnus5869 8 лет назад

9 leagues is why everton has been shit for much of premier league history, right? nine titless doesn't make you successful. oh, and don't comment. Like you've heard of Alan Shearer? i think he came from Southampton's academy.....

@Herbiesainty 7 лет назад

Play up pompy

@daxlunnus5869 8 лет назад

has to be everton. bigger fan base, more potential. money isn't everything, but then everton as more potential more able to be successful over the long haul. oh, and young players....didn't everton bring through Rooney? he had a shitty career, didn't he?

@approvedbeta7824 7 лет назад

Bale, Walcott, Clyne, The OX, Shearer, Shaw all shit players eh?

@lorenioooooas 7 лет назад

hope you're being sarcastic about rooney

@franchino88 3 года назад

Small club

@bustercherry9643 8 лет назад

If by big club you include dumb fan bases then Everton is challenging Arsenal and Chelsea for a league championship after Newcastle got relegated.

@thomaskelly4292 7 лет назад

sorry but everton are and allways have been a bigger club, I have mates who are saints and all agree, bad video

@murrman104 7 лет назад

#umaxitgiveaway2

@EdwinLuciano 7 лет назад

Well, Everton is gonna win the league so... Not this season. Maybe not even next season, but we're the next Leicester City. We might even win the PL before Liverpool does.

@pmc0341 7 лет назад

Edwin Luciano the way things are going mate, it sure does look like that.

@bustercherry9643 8 лет назад

Everton was a big club 30 years ago but they haven't had jackshit since. They play in a rickety old dump of a stadium with some of the worst facilities in the league. They aren't even the biggest club in Liverpool. They've played second fiddle to LFC since the 60's. All they have now is years of mid-table finishes and ever fading memories of glory.

@lfclegendunluckyyylucas7275 8 лет назад

+Adamm L Liverpool Fc have more support than Everton and you know it.

@michealflaithbheartaigh4139 6 лет назад

Since the 70s ....virtue of liverpool going on a mad run of success through the 70s and 80s . Everton were shit in the 90s and have been around midtable to top 7 since the 2000's . Does that mean man united were not a ' big club' until Ferguson won them their 1st title in 3 decades ? Sorry la , but you chat utter shit