I still think the most fucked up thing with CLay and Bloberta is their little gossiping in Episode 1 about Putty's sermon. Seriously, one of the only moments in the show were there is actually joy in each other's company, not forced, hidden, or anything, actual, genuine joy with each other.
@@alexf225 not only making fun of someone, but making fun of the preacher whilst mocking the sermon. Absolutely genius writing, even when they get along and act cute, they're blaspheming their own beliefs.
Yup. This show is very close to the reality of abuse. Bloberta love bombed clay and manipulated him into becoming an alcoholic to make herself feel better about herself and her family. Bloberta wanted to be needed. And bloberta is the way she is because of her abusive family who were alcoholics who often discounted and ignored her. Clay already wasn't healthy himself because of his family, but he was somewhat put together before the alcohol. This caused clay and bloberta to bring out the worst in each other and only compound even more trauma on each other till it hits critical mass on Orel. Real abuse doesn't typically start out that way unless it's your parents. They can come out of the box swinging, but people don't typically voluntarily get into relationships that start abusive. So abusers put up a good face till they have you in their clutch.
@@kyleschroder9045 I’m just glad Orel grew up to have a loving family and is a good human being and dad/husband. He took all the stuff that was wrong with his parents and their shit marriage and learned from it
Clay is a reminder that just because his childhood sucked beyond all belief doesn't mean he should be excused from being a monster. Sure, everything was beyond his control, but by laying the harder punch on his son (the situation that was under his control), he became no better than the people who ruined his childhood. His past wasn't his fault, but his present IS his fault.
Just because part of his childhood couldn't be controlled doesn't excuse him of how he treated his life and others he always could change his life as anyone can it's his own bias and non active drive to seriously improve his life or even do anything beside hide away behind drugs and alcohol he was too scared to improve and too scared to choose his own happiness all his pain and suffering is now self imposed maybe not back then but now he had that choice and he didn't take them
Idk throughout his life he was influenced by horrible people. So while it doesn’t excuse them (we’re all responsible for our own actions) it still explains why he turned out the way he did. He would’ve been better if he was around the right people
exactly!! and (at least in my opinion) orel went through a HELL of a lot more than what clay went through. yeah, clay's dad was abusive, but we never saw him shoot clay in the leg and make an excuse for it, cheat on his wife w his boyfriend who ALSO slept w his wife, and all the horrible things clay did do to orel. yet somehow, orel grows up to be a happy, married man with a happy wife and children, who doesn't let his beliefs and past influence him to harm others.
He started innocent but he was destined to rot unlike Orel He was spoiled rotted as a kid because of his moms constant stillborn children so even if she did survive he would’ve kept on getting spoiled
@@TazKoltin he probably would have just been an entitled douchebag if his mother survived. But all his life changing events, such as his father's abuse ,his alcholism ,etc all culminated to his sociapathic behaviour.
@@TazKoltin idk bout yall but personally i think continuing to get spoiled is better than him purposefully acting up so his father strikes him because that’s the closest thing to affection he has.
The saddest part is, there’s a semblance of a good dad in there. A semblance that disappears slowly throughout the entire series, until all that’s left is a husk of a man who could’ve been better.
That's a very accurate description. I wonder what could've happened if Clay got professional help like therapy or joined a programme to get off alcohol.
@@elishasoUnfortunately, Moralton probably wouldn't allow him to ever get better, the whole entire town has an alcoholism problem, and I doubt therapy exists considering how mentally ill everyone in Moralton is. (With seemingly nobody never getting better, except for Bendy but she's a rare exception.)
1:34:46 I think this is a subtle metaphor to how Orel is the end of the cycle of abuse at the very end of the show. He never truly inherited "Ol Gunny" and instead got some other pistol, since Clay didn't want him to have it
No, if Clay had actually given Orel Ol' Gunny, then the tradition would be real and it would have meaning, the exact opposite of all the religious lies that Clay's mother told him as a child. Clay switching the gun out, as well as all the teasing he does beforehand, is the continuation of abuse, the robbing of meaning. Orel has always been the end of the cycle, because he questions everything his father tells him. Orel campaigning against Clay is the final step in ending the cycle, because it's not the individual but the system that totally destroys a person. Clay drinks because of his job, and he's socially and ideologically bound to having that job, so Orel decided to get rid of his job for him.
Clay is one of the darkest animated characters ever - but also one of the best written and best acted. It was horrifying watching his descent into evil - and tragic. Love this show.
I can’t really hate him because his childhood is so similar to mine and I could have easily went down the same path. I didn’t shoot anyone but my mom was an abusive alcoholic and she was supposed to have 4 other kids but she aborted them, I was the only one she kept(she told me this when I was still a kid) and my dad spoiled the hell out of me big time because he “felt bad about giving me a bad mother” and it’s no way to grow up. I feel like it gives you a split personality and completely warps your moral compass. It takes a long time to reset your brain and honestly I’m kinda a mess too. I’m an alcoholic/addict but I never abused my kid but I can see that I could of turned out like that and it scares me
Mi mamá tuvo un aborto, luego tuvo dos hijos y se los dijo a temprana edad, padre alcolico abusivo, y ahora nos responsabilizamos ambos por nuestras desiciones.
Only the first one counts, the next two are regular performance of parenting that doesn't really take emotion, and the last two are performance of marriage without any emotion.
I always thought Orel started hating his dad after the hunting trip but he actually stopped respecting him after the spanking, you can see his thoughts run more clearly about his father in the episode, his judgements of his father really shows more especially if you watch the church video first then the hunting episodes
39:24 - 39:46 is super sad clay has to drink so much alcohol to even begin tolering his wife at this point in their broke marriage in season 2, Season 1 to me showed a strained couple that still had their problems but still could deal with one another for the most part, But after the best Christmas ever the cracks really widen between the two they rarely hangout at all and it seems all they can really do is just, double down on their vices and talk down to each other.
@@churrbumlionI know people like to blame her for him becoming an alcoholic but most people tend to drink when they go out on a date. Him going off the rails with alcohol his first time drinking is already pretty telling he was going down that road eventually anyway with or without bloberta encouraging him to drink.
@@StridersBored i personally don't think orel turned out alright. maybe because it's because he is autistic and remains oblivious to the fact that his father used god as an excuse to beat him. (theory)
Based on the canon Moral Orel lore, Clay was likely "inexperienced" before getting married due to his preferred reclusiveness as a young adult, so how the hell is he supposed to know that?
For myself: (Personal fave laugh out loud moments) 9:58 “track is very important for your future. What happens when you grow up, and need to sprint 30 metres to the unemployment office?” 😂 14:47 30:35 31:54 34:03 43:47
1:22:15 i think everyone could see from a mile that their marriage would not click because when sober they both dont know what to talk about, realy. I undertand that for some people some drinking can help ease sotial anxiety, bit in this case its a big red flag
all of season 3 has animated mouths instead of stop motion with paper, (lol officer papermouth. Gotta love all the stop motion puns) But it's done so well it's barely noticeable except that one scene that you pointed out. you have a good eye for noticing that!
I started feeling a little bit more depressed since I started watching this show. Thanks to the fact that Orel represents clearly how being a Punching bag without noticing it is hard, and specially, the way Clay is represented makes me even sadder because he's literally like my father. I can't blame the show for making me sad, in fact I think is a good show and I wish it still had more episodes, but honestly some part of this show hits me really hard.
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Shit, before Bloberta got to him, it seemed like Clay would have been a pretty stand up guy Almost like he was trying to rid of his childhood Until she got him drunk and stuck in a loveless marriage, so he pit fell pretty hard
Yeah, Bloberta isn't innocent in her situation. It's amazing how two tragic characters could have redeemed themselves but didn't out of co-dependency and ego.
Clay was a bomb ready to blow. She just lit his fuse. Which honestly took almost no effort to push him into being "fun". End of the day they were both awful people. Clay just gave up on ever getting better or taking responsibility. Bloberta at least had that realization that she had to be better. Makes me wish we'd have gotten more seasons to see if she would have actually tried to make amends
so many people cite bloberta as Clay's villain origin story but let's not forget the negative forces that pushed bloberta to become who she was and to pressure Clay into marriage. Its not like Clay and bloberta are the only ones in moralton who have an unhappy marriage. Regardless of the inner machinations of other marriages, the overarching commonality they all share is a toxic culture built on archaic and harmful values that that bring out the worst of human nature in everyone while suppressing responsibility and accountability for everyone's actions. a culture that values appearance over charector. dogma over morality. a culture that isolates and punishes those who cant meet its strict and narrow standards. bloberta isn't an angel but she's not the one who deserves the lions share of responsibility for Clay becoming who he is. that's split between his mother and himself.
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Ok, something i really respect is that, it would have been SO easy to have Clay be the only abusive one, who hits and beats her. but no, they made both of them very complex and toxic. Clay and her are both terrible to eachother (cough cough what Helluvaboss should have done with Stella and Stolas cough cough!!) They both torment eachother threw lack of contact and talking, they insult and are emotionally cold to eachother, its so tradgic, yet an outcome of Her wanting to marry ANYone, while guving Clay a key to open his past trauma and abusive traits. They are BOTH the outcome of eachothers worst traits.
They DID do the same with Stolas and Stella. Stolas made a big mistake in staying with Stella for Octavia's sake, because it made her grow up in a household where her parents clearly despise each other, which made Via's childhood worse rather than better. Then, Stolas flaunted his affair with Blitzo in front of Octavia during the Loo Loo land episode even when she was clearly uncomfortable with that. Stolas made plenty of mistakes. And as for your last point - "They are BOTH the outcome of eachothers worst traits." - You do realize some people are just bad, before and after marriage? Stella is simply a bad, abusive person, that doesn't always need to be someone's fault, and it's very weird how you're implying it's someone elses fault if you're a bad person. Blaming all of your worst traits on someone else is an abdication of responsibility.
@@Choshako uh nay nay. *IM* not implying anything. Helluva implied that Stella, while maybe not being the best or even a good person, was clearly unhappy and embarresed due to Stolas having an affair in THERE bed. But, now in season 2, shes written to have been born hatitng everyone, Its not realistc. if she was shown to be this evil from the start, id be ok with it. But no, she was shown to be cold and angry in season 1 but never evil. She went from being like this in season one “I cant spend another moment with u! or your imp sucking face!” *leaves room to get anger out* to her in season 2 “I LIKE TORMENTING U!” T-the show was just trying to make Stolas look less toxic-even in the right, for breaking the family. I liked stolas more when he was flawed. Stolas went from a man who went about his love life the wrong way with Blitz, causing his wife to loath him and Octavia to resent him for doing this, and hopefully he can make amends and reintroduce blitz to Octavia in a more controled and respectufl way….to him being 110% in the right OH NO stella was just, a btch who gets off on tormenting and Stolas did the right thing…oh how complex.
I swear the voice acting in this show is one of the reasons why I love it. ESPECIALLY in the Nature Two Parter. Thank you Mr. Adist I'll never look at Baymax the same way again.
@@definitelynotsiri4058 i don’t even think a reboot would work, i just wish he had the time to flesh out his ideas more, like even just having season 3 be a full 20 episodes would’ve been good imo, it was smothered in the womb and it aggravates me to no end because of it
I've heard and read about how Clay isn't gay, bisexual, nor anything. He's just so consumed with his Oedipus complex to the point that he can only fall in love to people who remind him of his mother and her babying him like how Stopframe puts him on a pedestal, Censordall calling herself as his "mommy", and even the time Bloberta forced him to marry her because she "helped" him.
If he never met bloberta, if she never seduced him with alcohol, he would have at least had a chance to be a passable, decent human being. But then we wouldn't have Orel, so....
I’d like to think Clay Puppington is both the best and worst character in the show. Granted, most would say he’s just simply the worst, which he certainly deserves. I won’t deny that¡ But I’m sure at least a few of us believe he’s both~
When he struggles to take off his pants on the hunting trip it's a perfect example of his character. His life's problems are easy to see(don't do what happened to him as kid to his kids, accept hes gay/bisexual, leave his wife who blackmailed him, stop coping with drugs, etc) but clay won't go through the effort of taking off his shoes first when taking off his pants(he does nothing to fix his life.) So naturally when he inevitably fails to removes his pants, he just puts them back up(giving up on changing his life despite knowing how misable/despicable he is)
Right up there with the likes of Rand Ridley from Inside Job. Two of the *WORST* fathers in cartoon history Maybe Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson come a close second.
