Call me what you will but I think this self righteous "sign stealing" crap that some MLB fans and the league has is pathetic. In literally every other sport signs can be stolen and if they were you wouldn't have an uproar calling whoever did it cheating(NOTE: there is a BIG difference between reading signals live on the fly in a game and having an operative filming practices to get signals). There is little difference between that and video study that you watch to pick up on subtle body language and cues and "stealing signs." That's why you generally see no less than 4 or 5 people on a football sideline putting up signs and signals. Same go for Basketball and hockey. If your signs and signals are being "stolen" perhaps that team should come up with a better way of relaying them instead of crying like little bitches and yelling "cheater."
@@kennyhouser3467 the problem here is that the Astros used a hidden camera to do so that is being specifically aimed at the catcher being relayed to a screen in the dugout, sign stealing is a thing, yes, but only happens when you have someone on base, with this, they did it every single batter that was up, combined with the alleged buzzer patches they had on, its just straight up cheating, its incredibly smart cheating, but still cheating, its the equivalent of being patched into an opposing football coaches mic, you already know the play they are gunna run and exactly how to stop it, I get youre just a troll but you just sound fucking stupid making that statement.
@@kennyhouser3467 the problem here is that the Astros used a hidden camera to do so that is being specifically aimed at the catcher being relayed to a screen in the dugout, sign stealing is a thing, yes, but only happens when you have someone on base, with this, they did it every single batter that was up, combined with the alleged buzzer patches they had on, its just straight up cheating, its incredibly smart cheating, but still cheating, its the equivalent of being patched into an opposing football coaches mic, you already know the play they are gunna run and exactly how to stop it, I get youre just a troll but you just sound fucking stupid making that statement.
If they are serious about keeping Pete Rose out of the HOF, then why is his memorabilia in Cooperstown at all? MLB needs to stop riding on his greatness if they wont let him in. Give him no credit at all in Cooperstown or vote him in already for crying out loud.
He won the Roberto Clemente award too lmaooo "best exemplifies the game of baseball, sportsmanship, community involvement and the individual's contribution to his team"
@@godblessamerica18 He was betting against his own team as far as runs and such not W or L while he was managing it. That's not gambling. That's like being a member of Congress and buying or dumping stock because of what you know or have to decide. I like Pete Rose. I loved watching him play. But, that was down right stupidity.....or, down right addiction.
@@gilliscolgan4356 they reviewed tons of evidence and to my knowledge never found any evidence that he bet against the reds. And if he had. What would he do. Break a guy's leg?
The Worst thing about the whole Black Sox scandal is what happened to Shoeless Joe Jackson. OUT of all of them he was the most innocent. The man couldn't read and was known to be very naive and just..dumb. I truly think if he truly knew the implications he would never do it...sadly he did and I'm not saying that he didn't deserve his punishment. All of them did. Just he was the greatest sox player ever. Just for him its a over all sad situation
Not to nit pick but I think you can make just as good of a case for Frank Thomas being the best Sox player ever. Those two are away above everyone else, at any rate.
I heard a story of a Cubs player trying to find a ball lost in the ivy so he shook it and got 2 balls so he did a double play getting a guy out at 2nd and 3rd. I'm pretty sure the play didn't count but it was a cool story. I heard it during a tour of Wrigley Field
Also, can't remember who it was, but a Cubs outfielder supposedly kept a few balls hidden in the ivy so he'd know exactly where to grab one from to throw someone out.
There's a funny story back in the 1890s when they were still the White Stockings when King Kelly was their manager. One time an opposing batter hit a pop up in foul territory. Kelly stood up, subbed himself into the game WHILE THE BALL WAS STILL IN THE AIR, and made the catch. Not exactly legal but at the time there wasn't a rule against it either. :D
It still cracks me up how corking a bat actually puts the batter at a disadvantage, because the cork acts like a shock absorber. Like, if you're gonna cheat, at least make sure you're actually benefitting from it! XD
I love how the worst cheating the Mets ever did was the coach staying in the dugout after being ejected. That's more comic relief than cheating. No big steroid scandals, no corked bats, no foreign substances on balls... Who would've thought that the Mets were one of the cleanest teams in the league?
For the Mariners, how about the time Maury Wills, Worst Manager Ever, expanded the batter's box before a game against the A's...which Billy Martin noticed immediately, so it never got into the game. Also, does anyone else remember accusations that the Royals had their mound something like 4 feet closer to the plate?
As a Jays fan, when the best cheating moment you can come up with is stealing signs, it makes me feel pretty good. And then I remember how much my team sucks lol 😭
I don't have a problem with pitchers using pine tar. When the weather is cold and dry the ball tends to slip from very dry hands. I'd rather they use pine tar, then plant a pitch in somebodys temple.
Exactly! Hitters can use it so that the bat doesn't fly wildly out of their hands, so why can't a pitcher? Heck I'm guilty of it. Every time I had to pitch in the rain I would use it, and in high school and juco no one catches on. Not like I was suddenly pumping 95mph with it
Shoeless Joe Jackson should be in the Hall. :/ His .375 batting average shows that he didn’t throw the series, even though he isn’t getting a single dime from the cheapskate himself. The eight men were acquitted of the crime; yet, they’re banned from baseball?! Also, to show that there’s no poetic justice, that cheapskate of an owner is in the hall, but why?!
Manuel Hernández I agree. He would’ve been a great player. The team cheated and he had no part of it. Since he wasn’t smart, he didn’t know what to do about the Black Sox losing on purpose
I love how all my favourite teams are at the beginning of the video (M’s Jays and Dbacks); also in terms of relaying signs to the batter from second base is literally what you learn to do in youth baseball. And if you can’t disguise the signs so that the guy at second can read what it is - you suck at calling pitches.
While Niekro's nail file is a famous Minneapolis/St Paul one, there's another one that's, as you put it, more X-Files; specifically the 1987 Twins. Their home record of 56-25 was the best in the majors, while their road record of 29-52 was 3rd worst in the AL (tied for 5th worst in the majors). In the World Series against the Cardinals, the Twins lost all 3 games in St Louis, but won all 4 at home, surprise surprise. Which brings me to the point: Cardinals shortstop Ozzie Smith suspected in print (I clearly remember it in GQ Magazine) that the Metrodome's AC/fans were shut off in the bottom half of innings, reducing air resistance so batted balls could travel farther, then turning them on at the highest setting at the top of innings, while the visiting team was at the plate. Smith also said that he had no evidence to back up his claim.
It's funny that you mentioned someone trying to clear Ty Cobb's name and then just a few minutes later lump Shoeless Joe in with the Black Sox scandal even though there was never even a shred of evidence that he threw a single game in his entire career.
@@tylermunene1007 Meh. Depends who you ask. The majority of big league hitters don't mind it. Especially if it's a cold day. They'd rather the pitcher have an enhanced grip, than wear an early-released 4 seamer.
I wonder if any team ever gathered enough cheating evidence on another and them blackmailed them. "You give us one series so we get a first round bye, or your entire organization goes down"
@ 6:01 the image used shows Cobb sliding into Browns catcher Paul Kritchell (later NYY scout who signed Gehrig, Rizzuto, Ford, Wiederecht etc.) not Frank "home run" Baker.
Okay but MLB ruled that Brett was actually not violating any rule and should not have been thrown out of the game and that his home run counted, causing them to have to finish the game another day. So it is really the umpire’s fault and doesn’t belong on this list.
When Brett ran as fast as zombies in world war z movie.... makes you wonder how the producers get their ideas.... thanks brett. Maybe the movement of zombies started from him. When he’s mad, he resembles 1
As the first Greek Major League player, and Jackie Robinson's teammate, roommate, and friend, Al Campanis knew exactly what he was talking about when he was referring to the necessities required to be the first minority in a high profile and highly scrutinized position. He just said it badly and nobody ever gave him the courtesy of laying out his position soberly and properly in a non-hostile environment. Jackie Robinson was not the best Black ballplayer of his era, he probably wasn't even in the top five. That's not why he was selected to break the Major Leagues' color barrier. Jackie Robinson was selected because he was the most socially buoyant Black star player, capable of surviving the sort of awful treatment that comes with being the first Black Major League player in 1947 through the merit of his talent and character. Being the first requires legendary patience and inner strength, the kind that Jackie Robinson had. Any other Black player of his era would have snapped under the pressure applied to number 42, which is exactly what his detractors wanted. That's what Al Campanis meant... but nobody ever cared enough to find out. Instead, one of the first Major Leaguers to accept and embrace Jackie Robinson's presence as a teammate went to his grave smeared as a racist. Shameful.
@FivePoints Vids the Pine Tar Incident with the Royals was overturned and the inning was replayed days later after a ruling by then American League President, Lee McPhail. Would not really count the incident as the Royals cheating. That being said however, the Yankees knew about the amount of pine tar on the bat and they waited to say anything until the perfect strategic moment. Like, for example, after the game winning home run was hit. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Tar_Incident
4:55 I know this video was made before it came out but it still sounds weird to hear the Astros most cheatingest moment not being the sign stealing scandal.
Corked bats are proven to actually make you hit the ball softer though, lol. Honestly if someone wants to use a disadvantaged bat I don't see the issue.
I played with and against Alex Sanabia growing up since I started playing baseball to the day we graduated high school and passed that. He always treated the game like it was a joke by spitting on the ball or at people for no fucking reason what so ever. Dude had an arm...nothing else. Had no control or consistency at all. Was a total joke he ever got drafted.
